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For real or not?
http://www.TandemBASE.com/index.php

Hmmm, site is registered to Abbie.

its real

I could not find any pics in the gallery. How many test jumps have he done with none basejumpers?

Any videos yet?
http://www.dailymotion.com/...ndem-base-jump_sport

http://www.facebook.com/...07880792854?v=photos

I don't like the concept of this...

There is absolutely nothing good that can come from this and it's just a matter of time tell two people get added to the fatality list at a time. Bash me if you want, but the people doing this disgust me. You are taking wuffo's that have no clue what they are getting themselves into and endangering their lives. This is not skydiving and what they are doing is gonna end up with the worst publicity our sport has ever seen in time. Mark my word, as soon as it gets some positive light brought to it someone will go in during a live broadcast or some shit. Yall are fucking up.

Not good. A passenger death or serious injury could close the bridge.

They don't give a shit, all they care about is the $299 all the Youtube wanna b's are putting in their pockets.

$299 is a rip off, how do these people sleep at night?

Who will be tandem-base #1?

thats a fucking horrible thought. NOTHING worth anything in this world is easy.

AWESOME!!!!!

Are they putting em down in the water or on the land? Just curious.

the website mentions standups and/or soft butt slides. I saw nothing about getting wet.

a scenic river ride is included, iirc.

It's real. PCA with landing in normal area. did a side float video on a test jump last week

We shouldn't be supporting this, doing videos (no offense intended) but you know that feeling you get every now and again, like something isn't right and you back out of a jump, or change the plan to simplify the jump...I get one of those feelings with this. Whats gonna happen when an instructor gets that feeling, goes anyway...shits gonna end up bad.

Did you miss the point about the PCA ?

1. It was just a matter of time before some group tried this.

2. This isn't the first commercial jumping operation at the Perrine. 10 or so years ago a guy was PCAing solo jumpers with no prior parachuting experience, into the river on t-10 rounds

3. I wish them the best of luck with this venture. These are well-known jumpers in the sport and I'm certain they closely examined all of the possible ramifications before going public with this.

sure there's some good to come from it
like some people being able to choose to have fun
the fatality list is going to grow and grow anyway
oh well, 10 out of 10 of us are going to die somehow
of course the tandem passenger will know what they are getting into
they are going to have to show up and pay to make a BASE jump
as far as charging $$$, what's it to you
you don't have to pay for it do you
a thing is worth whatever someone is willing to pay
did you ever hear of an entrepreneur
and besides the guy is a jew so what did you expect
but i do not think he will kidnap anyone, steal their money,
and then blindfold them and drag them out there
strap them on and jump with them without their consent

I won't say I support it, but I'm not about to do anything about it.

this is BASE.
make your call.
be prepared for the consequences.

the rig looks specially made. BASE has a history of modified, or created from scratch at home. I'm more interested in the parachute. is it a new design? bigger than current stock parachutes? I bet they spent money developing the system.

they'd be foolish to start tandem BASE, without testing, and without proper legal advice. I bet they did both. bungy jumping flamed out. skyride hung around. this could go either way.

I am quite certain that the parachute is a FLik354 4/7 Vtec, but that's all I can offer.

agreed, any incident, severe or not, could potentially have consequences for the rest of the base community there.

A bungee jump or sky coster would give you more value for your money than just being pilotchute assisted off the bridge. Or a ticket to any amusement park around the world.

I have seen passengers freaking out in airplanes, so it will be a interesting movie to watch when this is happening at the edge here

Good luck

what is your problem? thats certainly not the most unsafe shit going down that bridge.
better than the belgians who just dbag a normal tandem...

Like Slim used to say...

"It's got 'good idea' written all over it"

A lot of people have done a Tandem/Bungee/Sky coaster.

This is massive Bragging rights(with a capital B ) for the person that wants it.

Too right.

While it is a good idea, there's a LOT of things that could go wrong. I hope that the people going this have really, really tight rules 'bout this.

It's been done before.
So it won't be #1..

May I suggest a new sub-forum: Tandem-BASE incidents.



edit ....or do i get the post wrong? /edit

Someone took a tandem off a cliff? Holy shit that is knarly. Or did you mean just a base jump because I was talking about B.A.S.E

Thor Alex : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zkfCmth-XU

I have heard about antenna, but never a building! There is some buildings that could be perfect.

Tandem base like the pics shows, is a piece of cake and not really a big challenge.

The challenges will be the passengers behavior, water landings with a student in panic. I will like to see a cutaway system for the student in case of water landing

Which association devised and administers these examinations?

I have no idea who is controlling the Tandem base instructor license fabric. For World BASE Race it is up to me who I want to give license to race.

"All Tandem BASE Instructors are highly skilled BASE Jumpers with 500+ BASE jumps, and have passed the Tandem BASE oral, written, and practical examinations. "

Hey Paul, I wasn't asking your directly, just using your initial post to reply to, as it was the first and not directly related to any of the other posts,

I have 1200 SKY tandems, 233 BASE jumps, and
honestly think with the right passenger these can
be executed medium-safely from certain objects.

The tandem master needs to be a bigger/stronger
guy and must refuse taking passengers that don't
comply with the weight/shape/mindset restrictions.

Lastly, their new term Tandem Instructor Examiner
really made me chuckle, thank you for that Abbie.

Where is Dorkzonehero when we need him?

Dwain did it too.

I've heard he's a silent partner in the operation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oml71o0RHUk&feature=related

With 20+ years 1300+ BASE 12,000+ skydives (4000+ tandems) I think this is one of the most moronic things I've ever heard of. Way too many variables. Not to mention the fact that it's an airborne passenger ride and this opens it up to the feds investigating the soon to come fatality. Like it or not when the first passenger dies the feds WILL get involved and it won't be good for any of us.

I would to see the rig set up since I'm interested in attaching IMAX camera on my front torso. Wonder if the tandem setup would be ideal.

These guys have experience with 35 kg Imax camera
http://www.bluesky.se/
http://www.tubewatcher.tv/198

I am sure the jumpers doing this are of the best and safest caliber jumper that can be found. Plenty of those caliber jumpers get hurt and injured all the time. Outside of this sight and a learning experience it is kept fairly quiet because they have an emotional commitment to the sport and have usually shared with their family and friends why they jump, the consequences, and the acceptance of that. When an individual off the street burns in or becomes seriously injured it won't be perceived that way. It will be splattered all over the news and USA today and on and on. The instructors (or affiliates) will probably get murder charges brought on them. There is a list of negative potentials that can be brought from this and as far as I can see not much positive. Please fill me in if there are some that I am missing.

holy shit, you're right! in the end they'll make basejumping ILLEGAL!
that would suck!no one could jump again. ever!

Exactly!!!

Ted Strong and I are tandem base-JUMP #1, made in October 1984, New River Gorge Bridge.

And some others since then have made tandem base JUMPS, but who will actually earn tandem BASE #1 is indeed a good question...

On a related subject, hey moderators, how were so many whuffos able to simultaneously hijack so many bj.com profiles? I think your security protocols need updating...

The International Population Reduction Association (IPRA).

AKA http://www.kill-em-all-let-yaweh-sort-em-out.org

You know the rule for todays generation Robin? "If it is not on youtube it never happen!"

Indeed.

It's not YouTube, but it's the best I can do:

http://www.mywvhome.com/...ridge2/tedstrong.htm

Nice. I don't think I would ever do a tandem. I enjoy going solo too much to have my arse strapped right next to some guys meat. An you know how excited some people get after a jump and want to get all touchy feely. Just something to think about before you offer up the sacrificial lamb!

Okay, hot chicks only.

Next!

There it was

But who did the first antenna?
I believe Thor was the first from cliff with 3 jumps total + one where the wuffo student jumped with him because he was to tall for Thor.

Hopeless, ladies.

HOPELESS.

We saw the video at Thor's funeral in July 99. It was of him with a student on his belly that was about 6'3 or so. Thor Alex was about 5'7. His feet couldn't touch the ground so he rode piggy back on his student and the student actually did the exit off the cliff. Went great. While I don't encourage this, it was a hell of a funny video
Rick H

Dont ask us to issue Tandem BASE numbers. We issue the BASE numbers for jumpers. We don't issue BASE passenger numbers. Simple fact is, even in tandem skydiving, the student really can't understand the kinds of risks there are taking. They have no frame of reference to really understand the things that can go wrong. The same is even more true of BASE. I feel, it also opens up real liability issues if a whuffo is hurt or killed by a BASE tandem jump. Tough enough for us to defend to juries taking the risks oursleves, but to a whuffo? I thinlk the ones I've known about were cool to watch and hear about. If the student is a jumper, great, no problem. If they have never jumped, I don't think it's a good thing to promote as a commercial recreational activtiy. One thing to do it for a friend, but not a business. BASE is just too dangerous to spring on a bunch of whuffos like it's a carnival ride. It's not and we know it.
cliffleaper

So, Not that I care or any of you should, but I am pretty sure a tandem BASE jump in the US constitutes a flight in navigable airspace of a illegal two-place would be light sport aircraft.

I guess the excessive price is allowing for litigation in the future. Hope the waiver is solid.

hmm. tandem base off the bridge.
i dont see why not. i dont really see any huge legal issues either.
passengers have died on rollercoasters, bumpercars, ice skatings and everyother type of "experience" monery can buy.

basejumping is already so fucked in the us anyway, mayeb abbie (whom ive never met) will do us all a favor and close the stupid bridge.(that ive never been to)

that place generates more moronic nonsense than a sarah palin tea party rally.

basejumping isnt anything speceial anyway. its an unsustainable lifestyle, pursued by average joes who like to pretend to fly. anything else is just cock-blowing nonsens spouted by some hollywood marketer.

it sure is fun to pretend though.

everyone here is so quick to flip sides on the "its base, i can do whatever i want" argument.

it is, and you can.

and if some moron wnats to pay 300 dollars for a pca on his bachelor party while wearing some dudes cock on his ass working hte toggles than fine. pay your moneys and takes your chances.

all this "they dont know they could die" garbage is nonsnes. they have eyes. they have experiencesd physics.

this aint disney land, and id be happy to work the cock and toggles.

I heard rumors Dwain´s dog has a BASE # too?

Did the dog go solo or tandem? If latter, the dog has the first BASE tandem #.

The difference is that any "rollercoster" type park have a solid insurance, and I believe they have been visited of some type of control that should verify all kind of security system and legal verification papers + service hours. Hard to get that on a back yard business that certify themselves.

That's nothing, the well famous BASE tigger has also jumped all objects but never applied for BASE number. He has soloed only B's though so that would also be tandem base # right there. :D

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/...87306_11498_5703.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFqrF1xFwIo

how about tandem base numbers for the tandem PILOTS?

could there be a special discounted TARD price?you know, pass on the saving to the customer for not having to pay someone to pack?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9ruK7urdFs

I'm just wondering what's gonna stop every other person with a few jumps who wants to throw someone off... No one can regulate who becomes a tandem master because anyone can jump off the bridge, and not everyone will get the needed paperwork. It's not gonna be long (if this goes well) before the bridge is just be another tandem mill thrown in the mix.

Fuck it though maybe i'll strap someone to my chest and make a few bucks before this all goes to shit, or even better, start the first MoabTandemBASE company! The boogies coming up! Good luck fuckers

 
I can't beleave any one is surprised by this. It was inevitable. I remember back when I was just starting watching the videos of Dennes Maglen and his base camp out at lake powel. Then there was the FJC from the manufactorers. Then came all the self proclamed instructors. Remember the vid of red bull teaching the guy to jump? Ths is just the inevitable result that we have been building to.

Any body see the crolation between this and skydiving? First it was just some guys jumping out of airplanes. Then they started to get some places togather where you could go regurly called drop zones. They got chases from one to another as they got shut down. Then it became more commercialized and they really started promoting students for pay with staticline and FJC. Then Tandom came along and we really started to whore our selves out.

I see base on exactly the same path but I'm not sure it's going to turn out as well. I don't really like what has happened to skydiving over the years but at the same time I see that it was the only way it could have survived. If it wasn't for tandoms I honestly don't think you would be able to skydive today or at least it would be only a fraction the size of the sport today. The growth has allowed us to buy our own land, have our own airports, keep up with the growing cost of aveation, and suport the manufacterers we depend on. I can tell you this there would be no Otters today if it wasn't for tandoms. We'd be jumping cessnas being run off from one little dumpy airport to another till the FAA got sick of us and shut us down compleatly. Hell we might not even have 182's any more. Imagion if we tryed to make all the jumps over the last 20 years from 182's. They don't grow on trees any more. For all practical purpouses you can't but a new one. There's only one place left that you can even insure them for skydiving.

I see diffrinces though. There are only a hand full of sites that this could be done from. In skydiving there were enough small airports for us to survive our growing pains. How many cities or airport boards have rules against skydiving now? Let me help you out, we've been run off of half the airports in north Texas over the years. There just aren't that many perrians. I don't know if we can survive what will inevitably come from this. Or more aceratly I don't know if the few suitable leagle sites could survive. First fatality, jumping will end when Twin Falls is sued by the family for allowing jumping from their bridge. Not saying that they'll win. But even just defending the law suit or even it just crossing their desk will be enough.

I feel like we've been hanging on at a cusp moment for some time now. It's like we've been teatering waitng to see which way it will fall. With the increase in public acceptance and awareness on one side and the linthening list on the other. I keep wondering if we'll hit a critical mass to become selfsestaining or burn out. I do not doubt that there will always be base jumping but I qestion if leagle base will survive.

I would love to get a look at their gear. I have actually thought about this at times. I think I can say with out a doubt that this can be done and that it could be done safely. There really isn't any tecnical reason not to do this. And they seem to be going about it in the right way. The question of whether it should be done at all being sepperat.

Something like this might be the salvation of leagle base if there were a dozen more perrions around the country. As it is i suspect that it wont make any real diffrence and could result in the lose of this site and the setting of a leagle president that would make the opening of another leagle bridge imposable.


Lee

Finally, a jumper whose handle has not been hijacked by a whuffo!

And for those who wonder who the heck "Dennes Maglen" is, that's just another of Rigger Lee's entertaining and inimitable attempts at spelling something otherwise recognizable:

Dennis McGlynn.

That's a nugget.

Well, it would have more merit, but we'll pass. BASE and Night BASE keep Joy busy and if we get any more, she'll make me do more of the work.
cliffleaper

Spot on Lee.

I don't see the logistics behind this anyway. Who wants to pay 300 bucks for a 10 second canopy ride? I'd rather do the 200 for a skydive tandem and at least get my moneys worth.

But I guess it's all about being a youtube baddy. I love the wuffos who come for tandems and act like they are the first ones to do it. I guess BASE tandem is one step further.

Only problem is, at the end of the day, you still have someone elses cock in your ass.

Spot on Lee.

McGlynn and his BASE school is one of the major reasons Lake Powell got shut down pretty severely. The case almost even went to the Supreme Court.

I must respectfully disagree.

The reason Lake Powell went down hard was because NPS pedophile ranger M. Scott Connelly's primary Yosemite protege (whose name escapes me at the moment) transferred to... Lake Powell, and brought his child-molester-based enforcement policies with him, along with a lot of personal animus for Mr. McGlynn and his wife due to a previous... "contact" with them.

In addition, there were TWO big "aerial delivery" cases going on at the same time, both involving multiple jumpers: one was the McGlynn case - on the Utah side of the lake and therefore under 10th Circuit Court of Appeals jurisdiction, and another case on the Arizona side - and therefore under the 9th Circuit).

So... if the two cases had resulted in different outcomes at the appellate level, it would have triggered an automatic Supereme Court review.

They didn't, so it didn't.

And FYI, Dennis McGlynn is in fact the ONLY jumper in the history of NPS-jumper conflicts to stand on principle and not cut a deal. He went to jail to stand up for all of us. It didn't end up making any difference, but he deserves respect and kudos for his action vis a vis Lake Powell, not misinformation and criticism.

P.S. Rick H. or anyone else: please correct this account if I got anything wrong. It was 16 years ago and I don't have the case files or media reports in front of me.

Robin, I think you're fairly accurate. I seem to recall Payne telling me about the nasty prosecutor, (Asst. US Atty.), assigned to most of the Yosemite cases in the 80's was the petofile. His name was Connely. He was convicted I think, but who knows, maybe more than one floatiing around or maybe the NPS gave him a job as a ranger.

About TANDEM BASE. In 1983, just before New River at a 270' bridge over good water, Phil Smith talked Randy and I into using one canopy between us, but we each had a harness on. One riser to his left shoulder and one to my right. Just n case we let go of each other in freefall we tied the harnesses together tightly side by side, in 2 places since the risers did not have cross connectors.. Only trick is you really need good timing so you jump at exactly the same time and don't tumble. I guess that's true of a tandem jump, but especially true when you each have a harness on and could flip over pretty easiy. We did the same thing at Perrine about 5 years ago or so. Tom A was there and I think Miles, but can't truly recall. Anyway, there we used a 1971 23' pioneer tricon reserve, That canopy was almost zero porosity and opens great for a round. After a 2 second delay, I threw a vintage 52" pilot chute and shortly after we opened, Randy threw out an old 22' round terserary reserve on his belly that Carl Boenish had given us. Anyway, we landed in the river under both rounds and from listening to some of the newer jumpers on the bridge, you would have thought we were going to die.
Hate to bust your and Ted's buggle, but since we did our first what I call a TWOP jump, (Two With One Parachute), which is sort of a sideways tandem, in 1983, then Randy and I maybe BASE tandem 1 and 2. Not that I'm into numbers, but I guess it would count as a tandem. Hi to that cute little girl.
cliffleaper

This is exactly what I was wondering. Will the wuffo's really enjoy this compared to a bungee jump or tandem skydive? (Or anything else)
All they're into it is for the rush. Won't they get more rush for their buck from something else?
Maybe this will all die out because it's not exciting enough for the youtube wannabees.

Edit for spelling

It have to be a qualifying step to jump yourselves after the first tandem.

Step one tandem
Step two solo pilotchute assist
Step three hand held
Step four stowed
Step five arials

Package price 2 000 usd + rental gear. Should be a good business and attraction.

Not sure a jury would buy that, Rick. As you say, you were over "good" WATER and would not have survived the jump if you made it over land, so I'm not sure that counts as a "real" tandem base jump.

I think I'd call it the DMP -- -you know, Double Mary Poppins.

and, D'OH! if it was truly a TANDEM, then you'd BOTH be tandem base #1... as Ted and I actually are.



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BTW, the COnnelly thing is totally accurate... what i'm not sure about is if it was in fact McGlynn's "school" event or another Utah-side jump that involved the 10th Circuit. I think, actually, that it was the Will Oxx case that went to the 10th circuit, and some other guys in AZ that went to the 9th, and that McGlynn's case was completely different adn thus NOT in the Supreme Court loop at all, as 460 suggested.