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Rumor has it that a new V-Prototype has been spotted doing some damn fine flying in south Europe. Those in the know spill the beans please.

Kris

What does it matter to you? You can't buy it...

Rumor has it....

Not until after September of 2011.

You'll see more of it soon.

Soon? That's not soon enough, damnit!

Is it just going to be enhanced or take a leap forward and combine the container as well in order to be super efficient?

Key question as an order was planned for the end of this year.

Protoptype Pics?

Just spotted some pics of an unusual suit in this item. Maybe the next V will look like this.

I got too much free time .

hmm.. looks like the new V-prototype is really just an X-bird with a phoenix-fly logo :) close enough anyways...



PS - nothing against PF, i love my V3.. ;)

And you registered on Sep 2, 2010 . I'll post a sensible response if I know you are genuine .

so the fuck what?

Hey, if you can't figure it out...

I don't really agree on this. The only X-bird like thing is that the armwing is now connected to the toe instead on the knee. I assume this will shave off a second or so to get started flying after exit in a base environment, but I doubt it does much during normal flight.
What I find more interesting is the complete redesign of the deflector. The old one was known to not stay all pressurized while flying very steep. I assume Robi has done something to address this.

And thats all i was really referring to.

the wingtips look similar to V3, the legwing looks similar to V3, i, too, noticed the deflector looks different..

Like i said. I love my V3, cant wait till this prototyp becomes available.. :)

This is a feature (allong with the similar armpit inlets on the V3) robi already had on the Stealth2 at least half a year before the first Xbird ever took to the sky.
So something Id fully credit Robi for.

The JiiWings GS1 was the first suit to already sport this 'arm to ankle' cut people are refering to...so if any copying is done, its both PF and TS copying JiiWings...

The X-Bird and the next Vampire suit are as different as a Potato and an Apple.

X-Bird: It is a hybrid design. The balance is sort of optimized for glide but the wing thickness is optimized for slow flight. This results in a suit that is not the best it can be at either task.

Vampire Suit: Optimized for maximum L/D for the given area.

I mean you really have to take all the sweetness out of the apple to make it taste like a potato .

so you have flown both Kris?

Sigh, what to do when the trolls feed themselves?

Well, 'Kris', I really can't compete with you here, as obviously you have nothing better to do besides talk shit on the forums. I just don't have the time or the energy, nor the desire, to go tit for tat with you. But unfortunately for you, it's raining here today and I'm online ;-)

First of all, you don't even wingsuit BASE jump any more, do you? Aren't you that Indian guy who forgot his chest strap and almost died in Norway? And then got barred from Phoenix Fly because you complained so much about your suit? Is this pro PF / anti Tony slur campaign of yours meant to get yourself back into Robi's favor? That would make sense, but it's a little sad in technique, don't you think?

If I were Robi I would be awfully embarrassed to have you on my side. Thank heaven you're not spewing for Tony, believe me, he's glad you're not a fan. What if people find out that you actually never jump, and can barely fly at all? That would discredit the brand.

You are a forum BASE poster. Not a BASE jumper. That's not an insult, please don't take it that way, I just want to point it out. I understand how frustrating it must be to be obsessed with a sport that you aren't good at. I'm sorry.

Phoenix Fly makes great suits. You did nothing but complain about your last one, but they're fine and obviously lots of people like them for good reason. Also, a few of the BASE jumpers who fly for Robi are fucking amazing - Ludo et al are truly at the top of the game. But you are not one of them. Not even close. Not even by association. You aren't even in the same sport.

When Ludo or Robi logs on here to bash the X-bird, I will listen very carefully, and respectfully. But you might notice that they have not done that.

Do us all a favor and keep your posts constructive instead of destructive, and keep them within the context of your experience, which is, to be honest, very limited.

Please don't fool yourself into thinking that anyone here takes you seriously or that your future postings will be dignified with a response. However, I reserve the right to give you an internet scolding at any moment in the future. Bad troll! Back in your cave ;-)

Have a great day.

HAHA!!! So KrisFlyz doesn't fly... awesome

Hello Mattt,

Nice to meet you, even if it is online . So, you take my post as a slur. It was not intended to be a slur but it was intended to provoke a reaction. Some good will come of this.


The 'bashing' is only in your head. Nice, let's bash me because you have no rational things to say.

Yes, I am the Indian guy that jumped without a chest strap in 2007. I didn't even come close to dying, though. It only showed me my imperfections. I knew before going on that trip that it was a waste of time. If I was perfect, I would have stopped jumping before the trip, gone to a beach instead and kept quiet and been in the good books of all the cool folks . So I hung up the BASE rig and waited for the next version of the suit.

Anyway in the time that I waited after I was banned, I purchased an S8, an S-fly pro-fly and paid a manufacturer(in early 2009) for a custom suit that I never received. Have you seen any online complaints about that?

I never really gave up on the dream of flying just didn't have the suit to do it with. It is just common sense, really.

http://www.basejumper.com/...;page=unread#2928718

Above is a link to a recent thread. Does it sound to you like I am trying to get back in good with Robi? While I can see that Robi is a nice guy, my purchasing his products is not contingent upon saying good things about his products. Same goes to Tony but since you got me banned

You are right about my complaining tone in the V2 years, that completely obscured my message.

Below is a post I made in one of Tony suits threads on DZ.com after my return from the Norway trip.

http://www.dropzone.com/...%20the%20V2;#2909693


The reaction I got from the PF camp for saying the above was no different from your post above.

What do we see today? The most popular suits(in market share, namely Tony Suits and Phoenix-Fly) in the market today have solid inflation.

On the flip side, from the same post...


At the time that post was made, it made perfect sense. A better manufacturer neutral way of putting it would have been. All suits designed for optimal glide will have a head low balance.

I hate it when what I predict turns out to be true .

My mom thinks that I am the nicest, most beautiful thing the whole wide world! The reality is a little bit different. That is a common human emotion. Just like the emotion a wingsuit designer/manufacturer has for his baby.


Read that again. If you got bash from that then maybe you need to go make a jump or something. I'll bet you a $1000 that in a few years Tony suits arm wings will be thinner. Care to put your money where your mouth is?

Have you flown an S or X-Bird with thinner arm wings? Can you categorically say that it makes for a worse flying suit?

I flew a V2 with 10" wings in that 2007 Norway trip. I can categorically tell you it flies worse than a regular V2. If we take away the brand specific info from that what can we conclude?

You know what will happen a few suit generations from now? Every suit made for the same purpose(glide or slow flight) from every manufacturer will look the same in every way because we have already run out of how big we can make the suits.

P.S: I received your book yesterday. There are a few things I would have nit picked with you (like why cold steel does not get mentioned in the section about glide and a few technical bits and bobs) if we ever met (guess that won't happen ) but on the whole the book has more pros than cons.

About my BASE/WS experience I have around 500 WS jumps total and 40ish WS BASE jumps. When I flew back from Smellveggan in 2006 in a phantom1 (pic attached) it was kind of like your 'High nose to Jungfrau' video. AFAIK no one had done that in 2006 either. That was my 15th or 16th WS BASE jump. You know what, mate? You ain't gonna do much better than that in a similar sized suit and rig and flying the same line today! With all your bazillion jumps.

Thanks for buying my book. I’m glad you liked it. I rubbed my sweaty balls all over it before shipping it to you. You might want to wash your hands. I had just come back from a long hike and hadn’t showered for 3 days. I’m not kidding. Oops, did you touch your face already?

Well, we’re all relieved to hear that you don’t have an anti Tony agenda, and you’re just naturally an asshole. Thanks for clarifying. But your slant is obvious, you should be aware of that.

You are right about the fact that people are reading your blather, but you’re wrong about who is paying attention. If you think that Jeff and Tony are listening to your BS, then you are fucking delusional. And do you really think that you realized something about the V2 that Robi didn’t? Are you serious? Do you really think that there is something about the X-bird, which you have not flown, that you know and Tony / Jeff doesn’t? You’re confused, mate. Suits improve and evolve after testing by experienced jumpers and the designer, not by you. If you think that you are swaying the course of wingsuit design from your desk in London, then I hate to burst your bubble. Do you not see this…. you went on vacation to Norway, got a few jumps, and now you give WS design instruction to the leading manufacturers by posting inflammatory remarks on the forums. Holy shit, really? Quit posting shit that needs to be corrected, you’re wasting my goddamn time. The problem here is that you are creating NOISE. You are changing nothing in the suits. All you are doing is confusing the people who have a genuine interest in the sport – people who are really doing it, or at least planning to do it.

Your V2 definitely did have a problem: The pilot. Although from the sound of it you were doing fine in your Phantom and weren’t really ready for the V2 (this is a common phenomenon). Clearly you’re not ready for what’s new, either, as you’re just a forum BASE poster. You got slammed last time but you’re still here stirring up shit, which suggests that you don’t actually intend to be a part of the real community and only want to be a character in online forums.

I hope you learn a couple of things from this exchange. First, posting childishly provocative posts (useless noise) here accomplishes nothing other than to discredit yourself. And second, your posts are not useful, nor are you. You are hindering progress and learning, not contributing to it. If you’re going to stay, and something tells me you are, please exercise some restraint.

Since you don’t really BASE jump, I really think that you should stop posting unless it’s to ask questions. That would be “The good which will come of this”, as you put it. Leave the proselytizing to the qualified assholes like myself and Dorkzonehero. Oh, and when I get around to it, I’m going to dickslap you on the wingsuit forum too – your posts there were even more retarded, vicious, and banal than here.

you post that and complain about the noise level?

BOTH you and Kris need to leave the dick measuring contest at home. either discuss the topic reasonably politely, or don't feed trolls.

remember, venom detracts from valid points and closes minds.

Kris may suck at wingsuit flying. so? engineers make shitty pilots. ever hear of a film critic that can make a movie? does anyone think Todd, Marty, Brandon, etc. are the best jumpers out there?

I'm shocked that someone who authors a book can't put together a coherent argument, devoid of noise.

+1

Flying home from Smellveggen in a Phantom1 in 2006 is proof that Kris definitely is (was) a very good wingsuit pilot. Probably one of the best ones out there at that time.

I'm not going to dip my toe into the flaming war here, but what some people seem to not understand is that smart people often understand things they haven't tried themselves because of general knowledge. Wingsuit flying is nothing more than physics, and knowledge on that subject can give proofs on why certain solutions are good or bad. Just look at how much tracking and proximity flying moved forward because of the people in VKB who did masters and PHD on the subject.

Now THAT's a post!

I can't believe you are bashing a poor little Venom. How much did Matt pay you?

Out of curiosity, are their theses publicly available? If so, are they in Norwegian or English?

I hope people realize I have no desire to comment on skill level in this tiff. Kris may or may not be talented. (Smell -> campground sounds impressive. )

this is a public forum, open to all. management desires only civility. (we lack the ability to check accuracy.)

I personally believe it is foolish to blindly accept any information related to BASE. since there is no governing organization to set rules, the safety of a jumper is the responsibility of that same jumper.

fools still might post something valuable.

a brilliant jumper might post unintelligible nonsense.

it is up to the reader to decide what they value. if the reader wants authoritative expert commentary, either be incredibly selective in what you read here, or go buy a book.

as to the comparative skill level of Kris & Matt, as a moderator, I do not care. I'll happily assume both are far better than I.



edited to add:

ps
I appreciate that books take tremendous effort to write, especially if an author desires accurateness. fact checking is a painful, laborious process. it must be done to produce a quality book. it's what elevates great work to an authoritative level.

these forums count on the users to do the fact check each other. caveat emptor.

I am only going to say one thing here. Yuri flew from Smellveggan to the camping area in a classic in 2000 :)

god this is the most entertaining thread I have read all year. Thank you. You guys are legends :)

Bollywood porn actors... I'm still laughing :D

+1

 

 
This is very entertaining!! Don't stop now, too much fun to be had here!

Kerkko
BASE1184

DZH,

There was no public banning, so no entertainment for you.

Glide is simply a property of the craft. In the case of wingsuits, the human frame that holds the wings in place and the wingsuit. The X-Bird is much bigger than a V3. It will out glide the V3 with the same pilot flying.

As Mattt's own videos prove, it flies in the slow regime. 78mph overall on the Eiger video and 5X mph in the High nose one. The result of having thick wings.

Ludo's flight from the high nose was 10 secs quicker and he had about the same time more under Canopy. Want to make fun of Matt the same way you did Yuri?

Mattt himself posted on his website that he had trouble flying the suit efficiently after two minutes. What if the flight distance was covered in 2 minutes? How is that going to happen...thinner wings.

With in the next few generations of suits, Tony's suits will have thinner wings. It is simply the next step in the progression of things.

If we go find a kid that is built like Loic(not the man himself, just built like him), he will make all this stuff people are claiming as extraordinary today, look ordinary in a few jumps.

Jeb,

It is possible that Yuri flew back to the campground in 2000 in a classic. If he did, it was not a repeatable flight. Which is why you don't hear about it. I have never seen him claim that when asked about it.

While at Lyse in 2006, I heard that Ronny the resident wingsuit pilot flew once in his then S3 high over the White house but his normal flights were high around the shoreline.

If you understand all this and just said that make fun of me, "Bollywood Porn Star Wannabee" would have worked better

Kris

I am always interested in flying the best suit,what is the delivery time on the new V4 buy Phoenix Fly ?
Andy

In the first brand war (aka BW1) it was Bird-man vs Phoenix-Fly, people posted nasty things about each other on the internet but it was more entertaining than working.

Then there was the second brand war (aka BW2) it was Phoenix-Fly vs TonySuits, people posted nasty things about each other on the internet but it was more entertaining than working.

There is a special place where wingsuit brand wars should be waged, in fact the only place - that place is here: http://www.dropzone.com/...gforum.cgi?forum=13;

Lets try and keep the sh*t contained in one place it is just sticking to everyones shoes and polluting the water.

Better still, jump more and post less.

I jump for peace (and yes, am gay)

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inpRaoYdQOI

Matt,
Did this Kris guy rape your sister or something? Did your ego go on steroids after you "wrote the book" on base? What is it about these internet forums that bring out our worst sides?

and ...the old forget to do up your chest strap. I have heard of even the best Norwegian flyers making that mistake, no joke. After all, we are all idiots, right?

Dorkzone hero: WHO are you? internet shit talking 101: it is no fun if you do not give your name. you seem to have a whole nameless blog. very strange. I don't even know if you are serious or joking. but your posts are long.

it was mentioned that Yuri got smoked even though he had more experience. One might consider that Yuri just took a lengthy hiatus (18months plus, i think).

Matt, you seem anti the World BASE race and other similar WS comps. Thing is, those competitions are rad. How else can flying straight away from a cliff be so much fun? What better way to talk shit and wager beers and have grudge matches than to compete? beats doing it here, thats for sure. All this chest beating and whose-the-best-pilot talk should be settled off a ramp at the next WS race. Head to head, bombing it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN8ze3S0Uj8

Man, I need to find something better to do on a friday night than stir shit up on the internet.

My quote:Did your ego go on steroids after you "wrote the book" on base?

I apologize, did not mean to infer that it had.
my quote: What is it about these internet forums that bring out our worst sides?

i used the word "our" here as myself is included.

wanted to do some damage control, as I did the old re-read in the morning and realized i bashed matt pretty hard. It was all in seeking entertainment. nothing personal. it is sucks that there is no tone of voice possible when typing. then things could sound the way you intend them to. I had no background information, found an entertaining thread, decided to jump into the fun and keep it going. Chose to pick on matt for no reason other than that my impression was that he knew me well enough to take it lightly.

personally, I am blown away at what i am seeing possible out of both these tony suits and the PF ones. Not sure if all the progress we are seeing is because of the suits, or because of how talented the new wave fliers are (and the old), must be a combo, but the progression is nothing short of rad.

Joar having his own website is a bad idea. It reminds me of this scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEeGskOyEJk

Someone should have set up his website like this so no one could see it.

Not sure how I ended up reading this older thread, but i went straight to my copy of matt's book to make sure my copy didn't smell like sweaty, 3 day old balls!

Were you guessing or are you sure?

I was surfing TonySuits wingsuit page and felt the urge to revive this old trash-talking thread:

From the post of Kris back then:

And now from TonySuits page for the Apache X today:

Good job Kris, I think someone owes you an apology

Sincere Q: does this "thinner" design in the arm wings have anything do with the inflation issues that have come up recently with TS?

johenrik, Im not directing the Q at YOU (although I know you have a tremendous amt of ws exp.), it's for everyone.

Jerome was jumping an X1.

Haha, nice thread