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You don't give this persons experience (#) BASE jumps? Total jumps?
Freestander 315ft most of these are underhung ?
Exit point. Overhanging platform, or from the structure?
How clean is the structure? Dishes? What height?
40ft hungry trees. How far away from structure?
How big is the landing area? How clean is it?

Lot of variables, but I learned from experience, not to take people with low jump #'s off underhung objects
Just my 2 cents

Tom, if you are talking about Wanda then I know several people have voiced concerns about you taking newer jumpers off that tower, myself included. That tower has shitty outs for an experienced jumper in the event of an off heading. I freefell it once and barely cleared the trees. I'm not sure how accurate your measurements are; do you have a lazer? Pca is slightly better there for your students for the obvious reasons, but I think you are getting newer jumpers in over their heads.

 

 

My second object was a 900' A at night, slider up with a great landing area. Worked for me but I'll admit it was scary as hell

Honestly mr.green,,,]

u dont have enouph BASE ;jump numbers to be doing what your doing,,,, and when something goes wrong you will get sued..... its your bank account... you sould have at the bare minimum 200 BASE ;jumps pplus 5 years BASE experien,ce,, and i mean current and all around BASE years... low stuff,, high stuff,,, tracking, ws, dirty low free fallls.,,,, and helping someone who teaches BASE,,,,,

and to do what u are doing at the bare min.l.... u .. should be at a safeer place,,,

i think ur not being bright i hop e u kno a good hebrew attaorney on retainger ...... just remember if u mess s up u make us alll lok bad.

use your brain not your ego....

and so ya know,,,

a good object in uyour state for a decent to good skydiver to bASE froom is a big Fn' A!!!!


that's not tooo hard to figure out! is it.......

maybe u dont like the climb??

hey i've done dum stuff too,,,, doesnt' mean u have to..

come to think aboot it i quit juimpin with a guy who tok a kid skydiver off a low bride knext to a cliff,, and guess what happened,,,, OK it wasn't tha t bad but i t wasnt good either ,,,, illeagle, sketchy, technially hard,,,, intimidately,, not soo low profile etc...
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i just loked at the guy aand said "why"

he said i t was a briidge"theyre safe'

WTF!!! i

i haven't talke to the guy since



Thats how shit gets burnt...


its a number s game mr.green,,,, it's gonna happen to osomeone at some point.... doing what yhour doein,,,

your not a BASE instructor,,,,,


Span over water is for what your doin,,, or Big A;'s , or big E's,,,


rmember Brains not EGO's,,,,,

Altitude is their friend. At 315ft shit happens fast! Especially for newbies. Guy wired "A's" are not as dangerous as some people think. It really is simple,.. jump with a decent wind at your back, and straight out the middle. Even with a 180 they won't hit anything, and they have plenty of time to recover set up for a landing

You know that is exaggerating. There are tons of As with better lzs and or more altitude than Wanda within a few hours of where you or I live. That being said, Wanda is a nice, fun tower. Thanks for taking me out there, and good luck with your students. As long as you stick to PCA or Sl, they should be fine.

well to clarify im "good buddy" and heres the object in question.

i stand by my statement that its not smart.
and i think allowing and helping jumpers who are too new to realize this is a marginal jump is bad form.

and fwiw base75, despite all his ramblings, has more experience in his right hand than me and you put together.

oh boy...your object situation has to be really dire if you keep on jumnping shit like that.

on the other hand i am thankfull that there is an ocean between me and the place where the green muppet is spawning new jumpers!
eventually they'll make it over to lauterbrunnen to go in there, but hey- i'm almost used to that by now.

oh wait ! no no, because the have <insert number> skydives!

That looks pretty sketchy for new jumpers. Have a 180, Correct heading. Tree. Or am I missing something?

Same opinion as Mr. Prick and also Loonie…
Skydive number does not qualify for anything. And 3 digit BASE number (considering that 3 digit goes from 100 to 999 and you are below 200…) does not give you any credit in my book. Some years in the sport, doing different kind of jumps without getting killed is much more worth than numbers.
And every untalented dumbass can do a pca jump of a low tower as long as everything goes well. But when the shit hits the fan you want some altitude and also various outs to land your canopy. The mentioned spot looks not favourable from that point of view. When you bring newbees to a spot like that you are responsible if they get hurt (it is going to happen). You can argue that you tell the students that shit can go wrong and they are responsible for themselves but to be honest, as a newbee, they don’t know anything and they trust you. Because every teacher will say this. So it is your responsibility to find a good spot for them and minimize the possibility that they fuck themselves up, and the said spot is not good.

"Good" objects are relative to location. My first object was NRG, second was a 190ft bridge I static lined, 3rd object was a 270ft A that I freefell.

Most of you made very good points, thank you.
After 4 years I am still learning and appreciate
input from people with more experience.

Edited to Add:
I am also totally cool learning new tricks
from men and women with less jump too


In the future I will use a much taller antenna
if I decide to help a newer jumper get their A.


I do have an attorney, great guy, but I am not
aware nor concerned with his religious beliefs.


I don't plan on ever BASE jumping in a wingsuit.


Simply My Opinion

There too much focus and discussion on first
timers and “sick” proximity wingsuit flying…
but not enough on the more common situation
of newer jumpers with a little experience from
attending Bridge Day or a trip to the Perrine.

Im going to laugh when you land in a tree. Oh wait your a badass thats right. Should get playboy to come film you dayblaze that epic A it would be sick. Could totally put the video in slomo with sweet special effects and get all the bitches to holla at you.

Okay I don't know, maybe I'm just used to sketchy objects here at home but honestly, to quote some infamous jumper, a bag of dog food could make a PCA jump there and be fine. Its a 100 meter tall overhung freestander with PCA-jumper landing areas on 3/4 sides...

If one is superunlucky and gets a 180 on a PCA (pretty rare I'd say when PCA is done correctly), "just grab the yonkers and turn it away, its just like driving a car."

Really tall A's for first A-jumps? I don't know, most people probably spend so much time climbing with crappy technique that they are super-exhausted and way more nervous about a 300m A than a slider down one. Too much time to fuck up! Freefall is scary!!

Kerkko
BASE 1184

"there is really no good 2nd
object for newbies, is there?"

Yes, look up the 3rd tallest suspension bridge in the United States of Obama and you will find a fucking beautiful object. I can't count on my fingers and toes the # of jumpers who popped their cherry (myself included) on that beauty.

All this learning on legal objects is for PuSSyIes BiG!!

Are you teaching them your patented stand and tumble backwards exit as well?

If not, then you should. That would be pretty awesome; they would be ready for those black-death slider-up A's. Nothing says fun like a game of dodge the guy-wire!

Seriously dude, if you are going to mentor someone, at least have you own shit [somewhat] sorted. 1000's of posts on basejumper.com does not equal experience.

I don't plan on ever BASE jumping in a wingsuit.

u know,,,now yur have a destiny....

your r gona feel real dumb after youve done it....

u will ,,,i predict i t will be int he yhear of 201 6..

never say never in BASE,,,,, u will......

Can't we all just get along? ;)

I don't have an opinion one way or another on the matter, but I'm not surprised at how pissed everyone is at each other on here. It is ok to relax folks.

In my humble opinion, base jumping is still such a new sport that everyone involved with it makes up less than an iota of a percent of the worlds population and as such could be considered pioneers in the sport. If we are crazy/stupid enough to try this stuff in the first place then its our fault if we go about it the wrong way and get dead.

That being said I agree with the commonly accepted methods that are recommended to be the safest way to new jumpers to learn, and patiently building up experience more valuable than words can convey. But for some reason I don't find myself getting upset at anyone who strays from that route. It all boils down to a personal decision everyone of us makes at the exit point. Every time we make that decision its a stupid one, because not a single one of us dumbasses on here NEEDS to make basejumps. We do it for whatever personal and sometimes selfish reasons we might have.

As a result of that it would seem like the only responsiblity that we might have to each other is to offer constructive criticisms to each other in a manner which is most likely to be listened to. Therefore one could consider it irresponsible to deliver valuable advice with the trademarked hateful sack of shit delivery which is so common both here and on dz.com. And no guys i don't support the pussification of base... I just don't find it clever to be dickheads to each other when we may very well run into each other at an exitpoint some day and find our lives in each others hands. I'm pretty sure a lot of you may have good reasons for not agreeing with me, but those are my two cents.

+1

 
Setting all this judgemental anger aside, He did rase an interesting question. How should young jumpers, those just graduating from the primary school of Perion, proceade in their learning?

A student goes to perion and makes his first few jumps. Now what? Lets say he doesn't live there so now he has to go home. There never seems to be a shortage of oppenions here. Most of them seem to consist of: Stay the hell away from my object, (insert site) is only for the most experanced jumpers, And forin newbies are the cause of all the problems. So what is the general concensis on what is the correct path?

You can copout and say that he should just save up and take another vacation to perion but as nice, legal, and (fatalitiees aside) forgiving as perion is I say there is only so much you can learn from a single object.

I'd like to hear suggestions for both legal and illegal objects? Should he make the transition to slider up tall guyed A's? Continue to master slider down with it's better odds of onheading openings? Moab? Lauterbrenen? Norway?

Lets hear it.

Lee

The old ATT freestanders like Wanda are great second objects (my second was off one)...if they have forgiving landing areas. "Wanda's" out situation is ridiculous. I wouldn't jump that now....much less as my second object. As soon as jumpers move past forgiving S's, the risk goes up substantially due to a much greater chance of object strike, but with Wanda...even if the kid is quick and lucky on the risers and avoids hitting the A, he is probably landing in trees.

Shortish A's (particularly one's with platforms) are fine second objects...if an avoided object strike does not automatically equal a super risky landing.

Big A's are OK too, but introducing more freefall...or worse an unplanned "quick draw" while slider up...opens up more risk. IMHO

NO matter the object...moving beyond forgiving S's is MORE dangerous.

the appropriate next object is a decision to be made with your mentor.

there is no one size fits all.

+1

mentoring is done on a case by case basis. period.

i had hundreds of jumps before i ever went to the perrine, my first was from a 300ft A, 2 and 3 were from a 2000footer. it's all part of the big whatever.

+2

I mentored 1, and for now, I am done.
For this and a few other reasons.
Hell the only r4eason I taught hhim was so he could split gas and bridge tolls.

'by the way???

IS THis the A/tree place where u Tree'ed in At??

is that video stil up??

not trying to be a dick but... Is this the place??

That's how he convinced you. If I lived on that side of the toll booth I'd split it for certain and probably get way more jumps in.

Holy shit. Just discovered that some people with less than ten jumps are giving advice on this forum. good grief.

How many of those were clipping their toes over trees possibly having to do a 180 to get back to the landing area with a big funky metal thing right next to them?

If you have to go online and ask how to teach someone then you shouldnt be teaching.

In this day and age if somebody wants to learn BASE, tell them to open up their pocketbook and spend two grand on a FJC. Tom remember how much you learned and how much fear you got over in your FJC?

When they get back its simple. Get off your ass and drive to a safe object. Not some 300'A with 40 foot trees.

My bro Matt had 50 slider up jumps in Norway (he took the Kjerag course). When we got back we drove 2.5 hours several times to a safe 300' freestanding "A." PCA three times, then a few hand helds. Then we drove to 500' (well its 1000' but we climb half way). Guyed "A" with a sweet platform where he did some stowed jumps. Lonnie is right, "A's" are super safe in heavy winds. Its just a huge mind fuck.

Its commen sense. I think a few people here lack it.

Kevo "yes I only have 150 jumps"