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Before my BFJC I want to get a few jumps on my
base canopy and would like to pack it inside a student
base rig.

Should I pay attention to certain things while packing it
or should a regular pro-pack work fine for it , and
can I use the fine mesh slider with it or should i borrow
a sail slider instead, and what PC to use ?
Am only planning hop'n'pop jumps
since am just interesting in flying the canopy itself.

Thanks !!
Francois

pro pack is fine, 32" pc is fine or a skydiving pc,, make sure your comfy in the skydiving rig, your gonna be up there a while .. mesh slider is fine as long as u pitch pretty fast, , just use good hop and pop technique, clear the tail and pull. your 3 rings might be reverse which it ok, but u may need to clear it manually if u chop. reverse risers could also be a problem if u spin up bad which is uncommon with a large canopy on a h and p. did u get a list of things to practice in the air with the base canopy ?

if you are willing to jump that parachute/slider combination off of a terminal wall, then your delay does not NEED to be a hop-n-pop, the mesh slider should be fine, and you can use your terminal wall pc.

'course a hop-n-pop gives you far more time to practice canopy drills!

well ultimately i will jump it on terminal walls too , but
if i can save my back for a few more month and not have
terminal base openings just yet, it's just as good :)

I guess it will be from 5k and with a relatively short delay,
few seconds or so.

I guess am gonna go mesh slider and 32" PC,
now i need to make sure I can find the canopy in the student
rig !

it's a flik lite 242, what size you guys think i can pack it in ?
I think at my dz students are jumping 210/220

Why do people always say that? You'd take a mesh slider to terminal on a BASE jump, so what do you think the problem is on a skydive?

 get some longer closing loops just in case, even if it closes a little messy. you are gonna do one from 5k and then realize your gonna be up there all day. i would do 3k or 2500 or as low as u can get out. land, stuff it in again before the plane lands, and jump again. clear and pull. you gonna get enough slammers soon.

I agree with the idea of dumping as soon
as safe out of an airplane --- you already
know about airplane freefall, the purpose
of the jump is to learn the parachute.

It might also be nice to have a friend with
a larger canopy and CRW skills to exit after
you and fly next to you as a rough point of
reference for the rear riser & stall drills.

Yeah, getting out between 3,000 and 4,000
is plenty of time to play with a big 7 cell...
But don't get out super-duper low, or hum
it down low, especially if you do not have
cutaway experience, cause you never know.

wwarped & Jakee

In my opinion this Kiwi is doing things the
smart way: asking questions, getting practice
flying the BASE canopy, attending an FJC, etc.

The person asking is a BASE virgin hence he or
she does not already have a terminal wall and
a terminal pc.

Hell I have 2 rigs and 181 jumps and I do not
have a terminal wall and a terminal pc.

agreed.
I just want to encourage people to think and be proactive. it's a great way to minimize gear fear.

I'm happy the OP is taking a FJC. that's fantastic. I just want to encourage people to think for themselves and assume responsibility for their choices. might as well start it now!

I've read too many posts where folks miss a simple concept: gear should be able to handle terminal. the exit platform is immaterial. (it might NOT be the most comfortable opening...)

This one time (on band camp) the pilot did not want to do a low pass for me, so I was taken all the way to 13,000ft (BlackJack canopy). I nearly did not get out but thought "what the hell". I still hopped-and-popped it, and was up there when the tandems from the next load were coming down.....

Not neccessarily - I had a terminal PC before I'd BASE'd.

Besides, the point we were both making was about sliders, not Pilot Chutes. The mesh slider is what the canopy was designed to work with, all the way to terminal, so why not use it? A terminal opening with a mesh slider is nothing to be afraid of.

Terminal A's?? I hope so! Don't you live in Fla.??
I love my terminal-ILLNESS!

Sorry. . . /hijak

Take a short delay, take a long delay? Go to 5k, 10 second delay `. You should be open by ~3700 ft. A`If you pack without a d bag 34" and mesh slider (my setup)` for airplanes). This is plenty of time for canopy practice. Do another jump if you want more time. Its good to see, and feel, how a BASE canopy opens at variable speeds.

sorry to disappoint but am actually not a kiwi, but french
living in kiwiland :)

My DZ is fairly small so I can get pretty much the altitude
I want , guess i will try and get 4k 5k , with variable
delays so I can see how this thing opens :)

might sound like a stupid question but how do you
actually pack a rig without dbag ? just fold it directly inside
the container and close the flaps on top ?

I guess i'll go with 32" PC and mesh slider in the student rig, sounds like you guys all think it should
work fine :)

Thanks for all the input !

S fold into the container with lines in your tail pocket. Make sure your closing loop isn't crazy tight, just tight enough to get safe pin tension, so you don't burn your canopy.

And dont wworry if a little fabric is sticking out between the closing flaps. You should be flat and scary the whole time.

Remember that the student canopies are probably ZP. A 242 sq/ft F1-11 should fit in a sky rig built for a ZP 220 sq/ft with no problem.

Other than all the techy tech stuff and all the opinions you will get, its going to come down to YOU deciding if it will work.

oh, +1 on the longer closing loop.

Oh, and one more thing, the only reason I responded to this post is so it would move harikaron00's "hapy new year" down a notch. sorry, good luck.

ever stuff a sleeping bag into a stuff sack?

FYI - my only chop was a knotted brake line that stalled the canopy when I tried to level out the built in turn, on a BASE canopy folded very nicely, like BASE pack nicely, without a bag, into a skydiving rig...

Thus my two recommendations:

1) the hop and pop should be just like any other skydive where you can and are ready to chop at a safe altitude...

2) Be careful with the lines.

Did you freestow the lines or use the tailpocket?

Tension knots are scary in BASE!!

Every part of it was packed exactly like we all pack our BASE rigs - except for folding it into a base rig, I folded it into the tray of a very large old vector skydiving rig... The borrowed canopy was a troll. The right brake lines were tension knotted above the highest cascade, just below the fabric, between the inner most line and the 3rd line.

You mean the Only Stow, aka, the Primary Stow??

FYI - after 2,100+ skydives my 1st cutaway was
from a tension knot on a dacron brake line also.

OOOOPPPPSS... Corrected. I meant Cascade. I was thinking about the stow when I was typing as it occurred right about where the lines would be in the stow...

question for those with plenty of terminal BASE jumps-
have you used your large hole mesh slider on terminal jumps, or the marquisette? is there a significant difference in inflation time using either the large or small hole mesh, or is it basically the same?

For me, large mesh was brisk, small mesh is comfortable, small mesh with the shit rolled out of the nose, very comfortable to too snively for wingsuit, direct slider control too snively. May vary with type of canopy of course.