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  What is a conservative exit profile for WS flight.
From reading through a number of posts it looks like
The absolute minimun is a 300ft near vertical cliff, then
75 degree next 200ft 60 degree next 300ft and
about a 45 degree over the first 1000ft. after that a
2-1 glide is a 30 degree slope. add about a 1000 ft
for safety. Has there been anyone looking at possible
sites in usa.Or is it basically that if you want to do
big wall WS you have to travel to norway/alps. Any
big wall sites being developed in usa?
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Re: [tahobird] Mountain profiles for Ws
Noone is gonna talk about it all open here, especially to someone with one post...
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Re: [tahobird] Mountain profiles for Ws
tahobird wrote:
What is a conservative exit profile for WS flight.
From reading through a number of posts it looks like
The absolute minimun is a 300ft near vertical cliff, then
75 degree next 200ft 60 degree next 300ft and
about a 45 degree over the first 1000ft. after that a
2-1 glide is a 30 degree slope. add about a 1000 ft
for safety. Has there been anyone looking at possible
sites in usa.Or is it basically that if you want to do
big wall WS you have to travel to norway/alps. Any
big wall sites being developed in usa?

the most conservative exit profile would be a 3000 foot bridge...
Tongue

there are big wall sites in the US. the problem is that they lie within the National Park System. more than one group has tried to convince the NPS that jumping should be allowed.

if you think you know of a wall, I'd suggest you do NOT post the location. instead, consider a post looking for jumpers in a particular state/region. you really don't want to post a location publicly only to realize jumpers had already discovered it.
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Re: [tahobird] Mountain profiles for Ws
yes, you must travel. switzerland is a good place to learn.
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Re: [cloudtramp] Mountain profiles for Ws
cloudtramp wrote:
yes, you must travel. switzerland is a good place to learn.

No it's not... especially if you have to ask what a conservative flight is.
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Re: [tahobird] Mountain profiles for Ws
I prefer something with a 5:1 ratio anything else you can just do with tracking pants
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Re: [tahobird] Mountain profiles for Ws
I have plenty of thoughts on this subject, and data I could share. But as someone else pointed out, you registered only yesterday. We know nothing about you, your experience, or your motivations.
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Re: [goking] Mountain profiles for Ws
I know of a few big walls where I live. One is almost 16 feet and looks like a giant triangle. The other has windows on it.
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Re: [mfob] Mountain profiles for Ws
I know a wall near you that is over 400' and has a slope about 2/1 glide below that. It puts deployment at about 100' assuming you get flying at 300'. Would that work? Oh yeah there's trees and stuff too.
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Re: [goking] Mountain profiles for Ws
   I keep looking though old posts and comments concerning yuris calculations to show a way forward
to accomplish exits away from non vertical slopes. There seems to be an agreement that a 45 degree AoA during the first few seconds
will give max distance away from the vertical. This gives maximum side force. moving you away from the wall while keeping drag
higher ,meaning you fall slower giving more time as you fall,to move away. The actual pitch angle would be about 10 degrees more.nose up
the first couple seconds. 35 degree WS nose down pitch angle would equal 45 degree AoA assuming 80 degree flight path for first 3 seconds.
There have been a few comments to say that alot of WS flights move away faster from exits than yuris calculations show. Is this
due to accelerated push offs , upslope /lift winds , light Wsuiters with larger ghost type wings? Theory says 200ft out
400ft down 60 degree achieved average angle . That seems about right. Also seems you could be at about 4 sec220 ft down and have established
a 60 degree flight angle. The actual angle of the cliff at this point is < 80 degrees to clear. with a 5mph pushoff.

As you get to this approximate 4second fall, 220ft down ,70mph glide speed,60 degree angle, if you maintained the same pitch angle your
AoA would now be 25 degrees. This puts your wing in the fully stalled region , but not at the 45 degree desired optimun.
So your WS is not producing as much lift and about the same drag.. So,as I am dealing here with averages, It would seem to be better to launch
at 10 more nose up to start. Also In the 6 second fall area your approaching bestglide speed which which would be approximate 10 degree nose
down pitch giving 10 degree AoA. So then there would be only about 15 degrees of pitch angle. change as you went from the 4-6 to say 8
second range. The.Problem is the transition from this 45AoA theory optimun through the 20/30AoA degree critical stall region as you go nose up.
Also in the couple seconds you go through this transition you loose lift. Possiblly the transition is quick enough along with dynamic effects that these
problems wouldnt occur. but it is at a critical point.
Most of my experience suggests that it could be best to start at 45 but be stabilised 55 degree nose down by the time you reach 3-4 second fall.,
so that your AoA would be <15 degrees giving max lift but out of the stall area .This gives a more stable platform even though you have to go
through a few more seconds of pitching up to get to your cruise speed.
I am sure I didnt see all of yuris posts. But one thing about his graph which compared 45degree AoA distance to best L/D AoA distance
for the launch cycle, is that he should have used best sink AoA. This gives equal lift to the 45 AoA launch. You biuld up speed faster which
is not so good for the fall distance but your wing is operating in a more stable position. If you launch to hit a 55 degree nose down pitch at
3 seconds and 130ft+ down , you can then start a nose pitch up of about 5 degrees per second and you avoid this transition through the
critical stall area. , at a critical point of flight.
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Re: [tahobird] Mountain profiles for Ws
are you fucking kidding me? put away the calculator, the protractor, the GPS gizmos, notepads and keyboards and just go jump off of some cliffs and figure out when you start to fly, and how well. This is the most pathetic post i have ever read even half of.

all of your stupid calculations are not going to help you at all with ledges coming at you.
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Re: [jtholmes] Mountain profiles for Ws
Yo,

Do not fucking ever say anything bad about calculators, protractors, GPS gizmos, notepads and keyboards. Laugh

Several WS fatalities occurred exactly as a result of attitude similar to yours. As in, not having a clue about the mechanics of WS BASE jump... "just go jump". Your macho attitude might work for a while, hopefully Red Bull will give you wings as they claim...

Best wishes,
Yuri Wink
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Re: [yuri_base] Mountain profiles for Ws
allright, I will bite. What formula do you use to calculate your acceptable error margin ? (i.e. your model has to account for the "what if" I slip, I gain wait, I am not as good as I think I am, etc factor)

Impacting a ledge at terminal with the thought of "fuck, I should not have rounded to the nearest 10th" is a shitty way to die
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Re: [vid666] Mountain profiles for Ws
any geek worth their pocket protector will tell you that the least accurate factor is the important one.

I'm sure the calculations can be pushed out well passed the decimal point.

how carefully will anyone have surveyed the exit point?

how accurately can anyone measure their actual flight path (including altitude)?

I expect most people would be best served by learning wingsuit BASE off of a terminal object that can be jumped without a wingsuit. this allows the jumper to determine how well they actually can fly without calculations!
Smile

(I don't expect all to agree with me either...)\Tongue
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Re: [tahobird] Mountain profiles for Ws
VERY few people attain the performance you are talking about. if you can't fly a wingsuit none of that info will help you. And, applying it will be extremely hard.

Birds don't know shit about AoA,drag, etc... They feel it, and if you can't as well, none of that shit will help you.
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Re: [tahobird] Mountain profiles for Ws
You still haven't been polite enough to tell us a little bit about yourself.
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Re: [jtholmes] Mountain profiles for Ws
jtholmes wrote:
are you fucking kidding me? put away the calculator, the protractor, the GPS gizmos, notepads and keyboards and just go jump off of some cliffs and figure out when you start to fly, and how well. This is the most pathetic post i have ever read even half of.

all of your stupid calculations are not going to help you at all with ledges coming at you.

I think this response is a little rough. But then again, JT's response to the 60 Minutes interview question about what skills you need to do this sport was "some mountain sense and knowing how much water to carry". So I guess some calculations would be complete overkill.
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Re: [mfnren] Mountain profiles for Ws
mfnren wrote:
VERY few people attain the performance you are talking about. if you can't fly a wingsuit none of that info will help you. And, applying it will be extremely hard.

Birds don't know shit about AoA,drag, etc... They feel it, and if you can't as well, none of that shit will help you.


WORD.
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Re: [yuri_base] Mountain profiles for Ws
The fake Yuri has posted again. maybe this retard that is posting should get some red bull and see if it makes him fly.
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Re: [SirHoytalot] Mountain profiles for Ws
...and I YURINATE ON YOU!!! Laugh
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Re: [yuri_base] Mountain profiles for Ws
nope, Jager Bombs, I shower in that shit.
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Re: [SirHoytalot] Mountain profiles for Ws
SirHoytalot wrote:
nope, Jager Bombs, I shower in that shit.

Clayton, you shower in my shit?! Jesus Fucking Christ, if I knew that 3 years ago when I met you at Bridge Day, I'd gladly give the golden shower to my needy brother. Cool
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Re: [yuri_base] Mountain profiles for Ws
TMI.
please take it to PM's!

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