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Anyone have any experience or review of the new Apex TL and TLs containers or Ultralite Flik/Fox?

I have a TL with a FLiK 266 LT. The canopy needs to be modified to fit the loops thru the floor plate.

If using the floor plate the jump should be S/U. Due to the increased tension on the closing loops from the floor plate.

Also the tail pocket is at the top of the container and not the bottom.

I have 3 terminal jumps with the TL and 15 S/D and love it. It takes getting use to the packing with the loops thru the canopy. But really NBD.

I've had the TL for about a year.

Do you have any pictures of the tail pocket at the top of the container. I have never seen this before.

i can get you some pics.

But the pack job is inverted so the tail pocket is at the top of the container.

The risers still run down the sides then the lines go back up to the top.

I do this sometimes with my DP too.

I just received my TLs and 266 Flik Ultralite last week, pretty awesome setup. Just finished packing it up for the first couple times. Packed the ultralite canopy into my skydiving rig (usually carries my Safire2 149) and hop and pop'd yesterday.

I dont have experience with a great deal of other canopies but it flew very beautifully like any other flik. endless flare, predictable stalls, etc.

Like was already mentioned, takes time to get used to packing the thru-loops. Anyway, here are a few pics.

I have a Flik 280 Ultralite and TL's with about 15 jumps so far.. all wingsuit except for 1. Takes about 5 extra min to pack which will reduce with some more experience but nothing bothersome. All on heading openings give and take since it was a WS. Flight did not seem noticably different than standard Flik.

It packs up amazingly flat and while it weighs much less the flat profile was the most amazing to me. Just my view but I think for SU terminal jumps and especially WS, this new material and style of ultra lite canopies and more flat containers will become the norm in the next several years. I do not see many reasons I would jump my older rigs on WS jumps anymore and would prefer to use my Ultralite and TL's.

That said, I am not sure I am comfortable jumping it on a building jump yet. The pack job, at least mine, is not as clean as my standard rigs and I have not tried it yet on sub terminal low jumps to check on heading openings

nice color choices. but....

the pics? consider the question about the pack job?

uh no pics of the pack job??

one more question??

why the articulated hardware? and the cutaway system?

i don't know but if i was getting a alpine/low pro. set up i go all the way. is'nt that the point. plus not having to check your 3 ring and cutaway set-ups always a plus!

getting rid of the hard ware takes off about 2 pounds and on long hikes that it very noticeable, considering all the other crap you sometimez have to take. but maybe im just a puss!

again pictures of the pack job would be nice!!

Why not go with a RAZOR or WSXTREME from Morpheus Technologies?No holes in canopies,can use bottom plate for slider up/and off.Packs down as small if not smaller than Apex TL/TLS.I have a WSxtreme with a Flik Lite 242 in it.Still with the 3 ring,but stripped down besides that.It only weighs 10lbs.I know th Razor with a Trango weighs much less.www.baserigs.com

do you really think "holes" in a canopy is an issue?

I was told by APEX that a 225 will pack to the size of a 180 or smaller.

With both loops thru the floor plate I doubt the razor can be as slim.

I agree with the hardware and cut away system. I would do the same.

Asylum also has a very nice low profile canopy in the feather and a brand new rig known as the profile. Theres a picture up on their website now, definitely a badass setup.

I did see this the other day. Looks bitch'n. I'd like to know more about what Marty has going on in his laboratory.

did you see this thread?

including this recent post?


I'm no expert on alpine/ws jumping, but that makes sense to me...

  mr.wwarped:

"did you see this thread?

including this recent post?"

yes, i have read/already know. my point was just if i were to order an Alpine/Lowprofile.....
i already have an old school set up no hardware, no foam, No 3ring , downsized canopy etc.

"I'm no expert on alpine/ws jumping, but that makes sense to me..."

i not expert, but i been doing big wall tracking and enough BigWalll WS to know the better Tool to use for the job.

that bein said, when jumping over water know WTF your doin. I ALWAYS, always am in the state of mind water or not , to UNloose my chest strap and UNZip everthing.

yeah, i think thats the way i think ill go.
truthfully most people i know who have been flyn' the Hybrid/Razor and Trango packages mostly say they like the weight/size issus gone, but don't see huge flite differences,
I've talke to some who think the low profile really helps.

All i know is ive seen guys who can fly with old school set ups and i've seen dudes fall like rocks with the new school set ups so....and (gettin Epic)

getting to the other point, i really dont see complicating the packing with TL stuff, I dont think its wrong but its really not needed. WAY to many extra step to go threw for getting a hopeful 1/2 inch lower profile.

I mean the MULTI works , but it's a Pain IN the ARSE ya know, it's really not needed, and it's one more thing to do and gets extra tangled in bushes and........its one more thing to do/deal with!!!!!


all any mannufacterer need to do is just make the container the same style but smaller for the new Style canopies, and maybe aTOP floor plate loop system. and right there instant FLATTER!

but less bulk (flatter) and less weight is nicer climbing Big A's (sqeezing threw smalll spaces) and extra long hikes, wherre you have to take 4 liters of water, food, extra(but thin) warm clothes, some climbing stuff, etc.

ok, you know waht side of thee fence im on.

With the thru loops in the canopy and the closing loops now into the floor plate I believe there is a direction here the container is going to go to.

dude...

you asked:


while it is not my rig, I simply pointed out that some consider 3-rings an important safety item, especially when mixing wingsuits and water.

if you don't like reading answers to your questions, well, I'm sure you can create your own advice...

Dude , I also meant the lower articulation as well.

Its not needed. Again! not needed extra weight (XTRA $$$), it might be more comfortable...but not.....again the whole idea of a Alpine set up.......

anyway..let's not pick flyshit out of pepper!

I don't give a f*ck about the comfort factor of lower articulation but I have it on my rigs for 2 reasons :

1) If I ever have a major asslanding and get a major tear and wear to a legstrap it is much easier to repair when you have hiprings since you can just rplace the whole legstrap starting from the hipring.
2) On alpine exits where you need to rapell down to you get very comfortable and easy to use rappelling harness out of your rig by threading a 120cm sling through the hiprings and connecting it in front with a carabiner.

mr.marteus:
"1) If I ever have a major asslanding and get a major tear and wear to a legstrap it is much easier to repair when you have hiprings since you can just rplace the whole legstrap starting from the hipring.
2) On alpine exits where you need to rapell down to you get very comfortable and easy to use rappelling harness out of your rig by threading a 120cm sling through the hiprings and connecting it in front with a carabiner. "
well 2 scenarios that are rare enough to happen.

all i can say is learn how to not have a horrible asslanding and also take your climbing harness (which is small and weighs nil) with you on the rare rapelling type jumps. they easy to wear on such a rare rype jump.

but hey , this is all, each their own each their own arguments and obviously my "own" is ligher and simpler.

I doubt that rapelling harness actually weighs that much less than pair of hiprings and a sling. The lightest harness I've found is really ultralight, usable for short rappels only and it weighs 95grams. I own one of those as well and use it sometimes too. But like you said, each for their own of course. :) These "rare" rapelling type of jumps are nowadays not so rare any more... There are more and more exits opened up each year that require some basic moves with the ropes and especially since we're talking about "alpine" style of rigs here I think stuff like this must be taken into consideration as well.

fair enough marteus.
Im Still waiting for the dang Pack Job Photos!!!!

pack job Photos Anyone.!!!!

        I have seen a TLS with the ultralight,and I have seen the Razor with a trango.Not much difference with the profile of the 2,but the Razor doesn't make you put unnecessary holes in your Parachute.It's all in what you like though.

I agree that there is not much difference in profiles of the two rigs mentioned, but there is a difference when looking at the hybrid L/D 2 rig. Also no holes in the canopy. It's getting really popular in Europe.I may be bias ( i own one), but i really like the stuff from adrenalinbase. Check it out at adrenalinbase.com. Top notch customer service also.

But like Freakboy said, it's all in what you like.

yeah, i agree sumwhat. my favorite gear is my Basic Resaearch stuff. i don't understand Apex sometimes. the multi it works but more work than it's worth. yeah it works but not worth the Extra pain that it is.

same thing it sounds like with this new Way. why is it the others can make a lightweight/low profile system with out different packing procedure and holes???

why the extra steps. seems more work for no reason other than being different.

I sure and almost know that the canopies and container work fine, like the Mult, but seem like a pain in the Arse.

i might buy a Fox ultralight in the futre and may buy a Razor or a Profile and put in there , in there with no holes needed. uh, who knows.

i don't understand why apex cant just make a downsize version of the DP container. like the Razor is basically a speacially sized . Gargoyle. and what appears to the case with the Profile by Asylum?

i dont get them (Apex BASE).

And bring back the Fucking Prism 1. the PRISM 1 was/is one of the best all around Contianers ever made. Really!!!

Its great at low speeds , wingsuiting, tracking, everything BASE. you can huck the the PC on a go n' throw and pop the pin faster than all you velcro freaks can imagine. get a PRISM on the ground and huck the PC AS HARD AS YOU CAN AND you'll pop the pin. cant do that with Velcro. any way i digress.


sorry Apex. this was just on my mind. but Try making a low pro Prism 1 and i might forgive ye all!

I like this one.

Asylum Profile with a Feather 260.

case in point.

Sure looks like a P-Pro to me. but smaller/thinner

wowwwweeeeee!!!!! Yeah, maybe that's the way.

I don't know though, i'm soo used to the Fox. but who know's maybe the Fox and the Profile combo. but i guess i wouldn't get a price break that way.

maybe the feather is the way to go with the profile?

hmmm?

BUMP!

Still Waiting for The Pack Job Picture????

Pack Job Pictures of The Tail Pocket at the TOP of the Container.

Pic's of the HOLEs. ETC>

Come oN!!!!

Picss seldomeseen-marc

Pics mark@

I found that the benefits in adding hip articulation and 3rings trumped the very slight weight gain. For myself and my rigs, more than likely Ill go this way every time.

As for the profile of the TLs, Im not sure any rig could pack down slimmer without some other method of tensioning the center of the packjob.

I dont think it's been mentioned yet, the TLs is designed to easily convert back and forth between the thru-loop setup and the traditional DP configuration. As a personal rule, jumps under 3 sec delay I pack in DP mode. Takes out any thru-loop/backplate "complication" as well as relieving any added pin protection flap tab tension which could cause pc hesitations/tow.