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Valery in the Dutch news: 'Basejumper escapes death in Pakistan'

Nasty OH
But..looked like questionable winds for a B to me......
Complacency ( or an expectant newscrew/public/sponser) kills !
Glad you got away with it Valery

16 years in sport and jump in wind conditions like that? May I call you stupid Valery? (Opinion only based on newsreport)

At least this things comes in the media world wide, while we try hard to reach the National news prime time, with none incidents events. The media world will never change It is just somthing we have to live with.


It is easy to go from hero to zero in 3 seconds.

You could, especially since Uncle Charlie ordeal

Same on SkyNews: http://news.sky.com/...p;lpos=searchresults

Nasty. I'm glad it turned out OK!!

To me, the winds look a strong left to right from the top camera angle but right to left from the bottom angle. Is this just funky winds, camera angles or are the 2 shots of different jumps?

HOLY SHIT---had he actually hit the corner instead of just flying past it, not sure the outcome would be the same as it was.

Glad it turned out like it did....

Link is broken, is it possible that the video is hosted elsewhere?

Try Outrager's link.

It looks like the building strike knocked the jumper OUT of line twists.

Another basejumper escapes death in Malaysia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjxCCkQLfrQ

Escaping from death by doing 1-2s canopy rides towards the object seems to be the rage these days... maybe, it's a special publicity stunt? Sponsored athletes put on high-tech O3 garments under regular clothes and smack buildings for a dramatic effect?

In any event, this has a high educational value for the rest of us: a 1-2s canopy ride in whichever direction is no good for your health. The decision to have a 1-2s canopy ride is purely your own...

Would you mind stating what you actually mean by your post? It makes no common sense.

If my post doesn't make any sense to you, you must be smoking something instead of drinking something like me right now

Because the ram-air parachute travels faster horizontally than vertically (aka 'glide ratio') then you should have MORE SEPARATION FROM THE OBJECT THAN FROM THE GROUND AT THE VERY LEAST. If you need any more explanation of that, contact your psychiatrist.

what?

thats retarded. and unless youre tracking/ws slider up, impossible.

Dude, what's retarded is what you think is impossible and you're still doing it.

Jumping from any object where separation is not adequate for correcting a 180 (with possible multiple linetwists) before touching the ground is retarded.

I don't get what you are saying. At all. And I don't need a psychiatrist.

I disagree. You do need a psychiatrist. Maybe you and Yuri can get a group rate. Be sure to get diagnosed with ADD and prescribed 20mg Adderall XR's, then contact me for further instructions.

But I'm sure you wouldn't know anything about bouncing off a solid object... or hanging from one?? Get over it-- it is BASE jumping and sometimes shit happens.

I think he means Jeb needed to just instant track, instead of doing a gainer and pull higher as well..

But I maybe mistaking?

[quote "Jumping from any object where separation is not adequate for correcting a 180 (with possible multiple linetwists) before touching the ground is retarded.
Better stop jumping at all then. Things like this do happen.

Ronald

I honestly think you are weird...
I always thought you are just a geek, but I really think that's not the only thing about you...

I think what yuribase is trying to say is that one should pull lower so one does not have the capability to strike the object because of the lack of separation. Sort of like this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg2xL5BeMFE.
Unlike skydiving, Altitude is not necessarily your friend in BASE.
Take care,
space

so you think it's better to go in on a low pull then with a object strike?
the object which Jeb got hurt is overhung and usually jumped slider up. It is more of a risk to do a low pull every jump then pull at a normal altitude (and he did not do a high pull as you see in his vid) and live with the very low possibility to have a 180 with line twists...
And I have seen your vid before... I don't think you pull that low on every jump

No, I don't think that. I just think that that was what yuriBASE was trying to say. I actually prefer object strikes as opposed to planet strikes.
Take care,
space

I don't understand how you correlated the two videos/jumps. one was SD in funky winds, he also should have left the building on the corner. The other one the winds were light (I was on the other side of the city jumping KL tower with my own 180 with line twists.) and others were jumping before and after him. And you cant exactly track away from a building in ~5 seconds. the skill to climb above and do what he did to survive was commendable at the least. Why don't you go run some numbers on it and post it here, I probably wont read it though.

jumping KL tower with my own 180 with line twists

Was your linetwist & off-heading on a
wingsuit? Dark color, like blue or black?

Reason I ask is because the hotel room
we had was in the Pacific Regency on
the 24th floor and I watched some one
work their ass off at eye level.

Kudos to who ever it was, some serious
head ups quickly performed clean reaction.

Couldn't agree more... although I would emphasise the "expectant TV crew" part.

Yeah ok. You win. I'll attempt to gain some experience with parachuting activities next time I attempt simple communication with you.

Tim I got your application for the
beginner's canopy control course
and wanted to say we look forward
to having you here.

We will start the course with PCA's
from 85 foot buildings and work our
way up from their. Oh, you might
want to bring some boots & pads.

General reply, not specifically to Hookit...

As I read Yuri, I thought he meant: if you are jumping in proximity of a hit-able object, don't pull so low that you don't have time to resolve a problem (like line twists).

Not sure I agree, but that's what I understood...

As I read Yuri, I thought he meant:
if you are jumping a hit-able object,
don't pull so low...

Ditto

Well, if you follow his logic he's actually saying don't jump hit-able objects full stop.

Wow, I read the replies a few days after my post and can't believe my eyes... Are you guys retarded or what?

Let me spell exactly what I meant.

You're jumping from an object... do you plan to have a 1-2s canopy ride? You probably don't. When you say "I don't", you most likely mean pulling so low as to have a 1-2s canopy ride. Everybody knows that no one can consistently survive 1-2s canopy rides.

What I meant, you fast thinkers, is that if you have a 1-2s canopy ride TOWARDS THE OBJECT, it's about the same as a 1-2s canopy ride towards the ground. The speed of impact is about the same. (proof is in multiple fatalities and countless broken bones, you "fine tuned deep brake settings" zombies , just observe how canopy is happy to surge towards the object when your body is moving AWAY from object and you have a twisting 180 - regardless of brake settings)

So if you're planning your jump to have at least ~15s canopy ride to ground to deal with setup and potential problems (as those jumpers who don't need a psychiatrist ), you should also plan your jump to have at least ~15s canopy ride TOWARDS THE OBJECT.

Object doesn't physically allow that?! Don't jump that shit then.

I don't know if I can explain this more clearly than this. So I'll leave you guys here in this thread listening to vid666 making love to Sangi, or vice versa.

Yuri

Ohhhh I get it now. So, we'll just stop jumping in Moab, then. And lots of other places. Got it

I get it but I still think you are a bit weird...

You are saying a Psychiatrist is what people need to understand your current case of babble? I think you don't know what a psychiatrist is.

I've no Idea how I've survived this long without you.

Not once did I think you meant 1 to 2 second canopy ride by the way. Let me ask you, without flying away from the wall first, how tall an object to you plan to jump to be 15 seconds flying time away?

You can't possibly be this stupid about jumping in real life.

Hopefully I can gleen some safety from your mathletic equations for future referrence.

I may not agree with Yuri-base but I can at least say his posts contribute to this forum (and a lot more than say base75s)

His logic may be twisted and the only time I saw him jump he landed in a tree - but he does post some valid information and published a free Ws program useful for performance flyers.

Don't worry, quite a few of us understood you. That doesn't mean we agree.

What kind of object would it take for you to jump slider down? S's only?

Oh great one, please guide me to the myriad of objects in the great US of A which allow me to open with a 15 second canopy ride margin both to the ground AND towards the object. I can only think of a handful of Es and terminal A's with stiff tailwind.

Was it not you who fucked up at some site named after a cactus and had bout a 1.5sec canopy ride into the talus ? Did you not make some jumps in MOAB early in your career ? How about the infamous BD tree landing that unclecharlie is talking about ? Surely you opened up with 15 seconds of flying time towards the nearest obstacle on ALL of those jumps ?

forgive me for not respecting this opinion of yours when you have such wildly varying double standards. I may not have that many jumps, but I sure as hell don't feel that I went radically pushing the safety margins on any of them.

- one of the slow ones
PS Sangi deserved all of the love that he got from me. And there's plenty more where that came from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE6nokmTPsA


LUCKY BASTARD

Yeah, different angle on that clip. Wow, still amazed he didn't hit the building on 180, check out the surge!!

Does RB make undies, cause he probably needed to change his after that one?

I just assumed Yuri was mocking us dumb Americans that don't have any terminal cliffs to jump so we huck anything we can. Damn that thing did a 180 about 2 ft from the container. Do they teach the RB guys how to pack 180's for a publicity stunt??? Kidding of course scarey stuff.

Too true!

The PC seems to be blown to his right. Might this have contributed to the 180?

Shortly before "landing", you can see his canopy get blown to right at exactly the right moment, ensuring it got caught on the steel rods protruding from the concrete pillar. He even seems to be burying his left toggle as this happens!

Holy crap - it reminds me how scary slider down BASE is...

"Holy crap - it reminds me how scary slider down BASE is... "

Too true also, all the up and coming newbies think BASE is fun and games. I love the statement "I've got 80 jumps on _______ canopy and PERFECT on-heading openings every time"...........yeah just wait until you have a narly S/D 180 like this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gr9nZK1i6s