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Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
I've always avoided uploading any of Carl Boenish's films somewhat out of respect for his work, but primarily because Jean Boenish would climb all over my ass if I did.

However, I know for those of us who knew him only in death he's beginning to become a bit abstract.

This vid is from one of those PM Magazine TV shows (PM San Diego I think it was) in about 1983 or early 1984 and shortly before Carl was killed in Norway. So indirectly it's not totally his films . . .

In life Carl was a joy to be around. He was bright, articulate, and very funny. And he was always willing to help a newbie out. I first met him when I was fumbling around with the first camera helmet I built in about 1977 for skydiving. In those days you couldn't just buy one off the shelf. And there wasn't a hundred people on the DZ flying cameras. You had to drill the holes, fab the mount, figure out a way to run the wires and then hope the whole contraption didn't kill you.

Being a newbie jumper in those days was a bit more of an ordeal than it is now. If you weren't a known quantity you were basically ignored. I remember making my first few still camera jumps at Lake Elsinore with nobody to shoot because no one would jump with me. If I walked up to a group of jumpers after green light, they'd all stop talking, until I walked away. And it wasn't just me. All unknowns got that treatment.

And I only mention it to draw a contrast.

At the time Carl was the preeminent skydiving cinematographer in the entire world. And if anyone had the right to be a snooty asshole it was him. But he was just the opposite. Carl had a way about him. He wouldn't just say you're doing something wrong. He would, like he did with me, say, "Hey, you made a camera helmet, that's very cool. Now that'll work all right, but here's a better way I've found of doing this, this, and that." I remember floating on air for a week just because he spoke to me.

Anyone who's been reading my stuff over the years knows I seldom miss an opportunity to work Carl's name into whatever the discussion is about. It's a task I gladly took on to make sure he's not forgotten. But it dawned on me it's possible some newer BASE jumpers wouldn't even recognize Carl, or have ever heard him actually speaking.

So there's this vid. The piece doesn't do him total justice but maybe it'll give you a glimpse into the man. Oh, and as an added bonus . . . you get Jean too.

Things to look for: The rigs they are using from the balloon are the first true Velcro closed BASE rigs ever built. These were the ones Jim Handbury made for Carl and Jean in Lake Elsinore in about 1983.

Also you get a glimpse of a very early Bridge Day, so early, there aren't even spectators on the bridge. And you'll see Jean jumping a round there. That wasn't a preference, it was because the wisdom of the day said she didn't have enough experience to handle a square.

In the El cap bit Carl talks a little about Mike and Brian's 1966 jumps. And Mike. I'm talking to you now. Don't get all ginned up over what he says. Since I know both of you, but you didn't know one another, I can honestly say you would've loved each other and got along famously.

Also in the El Cap section listen to what Carl says about the history of El Cap. And see if his words don't resonate and apply to another famous cliff that's been in the news lately.

And Jason, if you're reading this, I think it's high time we planned a future Bridge Day (maybe 2010) totally dedicated to Carl Boenish. Yes, I know there's issues with Jean. But maybe we can fix them, and if not, work around them.

I think we kinda owe it to Carl. We are, after all, all riding on his ticket . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwDcrkrJefE

NickD Smile
BASE 194
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
John Long the climber was with Carl when he died. John threw the film away upon seeing Carl hit the cliff. John lives in Clear Lake, Texas from what I recall.
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Re: [460] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
The way I heard it is John threw the camera over the cliff.

I've always hoped someone would someday find it and by some miracle the film is salvaged.

Or even better, he secretly still has it . . .

NickD Smile
BASE 194
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
Rick Harrison told me that John pulled the film out and threw it over the cliff. We could always ask John for firsthand knowledge.
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
great video.
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Re: [460] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
Well, from the stories going around it was a very understandable traumatic experience for John. So I'd be hesitant to just phone him up out of the blue and dredge it all up again.

But, there's always a slim chance that letting him know there was going to be a Bridge Day in Carl's honor and that we'd love to have him come, might get him to talk about it.

Probably pie in the sky though.

I'd definitely pay for his plane ticket . . .

NickD Smile
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
My rock climber friend knows him. He gave me his number. It's not a problem.
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Re: [460] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
All right. Let's keep it in mind if we get a Carl Boenish Bridge Day going . . .

Thanks,
NickD Smile
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
Fcuk! I'm totally confusedUnsure.....

"I knew a man who went up to Stabben with Mr. Boenish the day of his fatality. He is a very skilled climber, and knew every rock up there. He helped Mr. Boenish to the top of Stabben (it's a little difficult to get up there) and found himself a good spot to photograph the jump. After Carl's fatality, he threw the camera down the cliff and later said, "I didn't want anyone to see pictures of that jump. He then went down and contacted police. "This same climber is later killed in an avalanche not far from the Troll Wall in the early 1990s. From bfl...

I hope it's me or the BFL that needs correction.
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Re: [kiwibaser] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
Wow, I do remember writing that. Now I'm confused too!

That was a quote I got from someone. I'll have to go back and look it up now!

NickD Smile
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
Awesome!!
Thanks!
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Re: [kiwibaser] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
Largo... aka John Long is alive and well.

He lurks over at supertopo.com at times.

I don't know Largo personally, but I'm sure if asked in the proper manner he would talk about it.

But again... I don't know him personally. Just through his writings. Which BTW he is an amazing writer and if you ever have a chance read his stories.
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Re: [pocbase] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
There's this . . .

http://www.basejumper.com/...own_and_Out_768.html

Still looking for where I got John's death info from. Man, I'm going to owe him one hell of an apologie if I was wrong. I do, however very clearly remember someone sending me the obit, though . . .

Edit to add: Okay, I see the problem now. John Long (who's stuff I have read over on Topo) was there in Norway as part of the deal but wasn't with Carl when he died. It was a local man and he was killed later in an avalanche. I never knew, or heard, what his name was.

In John Long's own words from the link above:

"A quick rap on the door and in rushes Fred, harried and stressed. “Carl’s been in an accident and it looks bad!” A car accident? When I’m told he had hiked up first thing this morning, and he jumped from Stabben Pinnacle no less, I refuse to believe it. “Impossible!” After the last two sleepless days, Carl would most assuredly be resting his bum leg, as he’d done after every previous bit of activity."

NickD Smile
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Re: [seldomseen_mark] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
 Largo... aka John Long is alive and well.
That's gooodSmile

Thanks a lot Nick!
For all that gr8 videos, and passing all that knowledge to newbies.Cool
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
cool. glad it's clarified.
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
Thanks for posting that, NickD. Very interesting, and the first time I'd heard Carl's voice.
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Re: [goking] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
On the subject of the BaseBoard, I check in there from time to time to see what new shenanigans are afoot, but haven't lately perused the old stuff that's still there.

So this page of old stories might be interesting if you haven't looked at it before . . .

http://www.basejumper.com/Articles/Stories/

NickD Smile
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
thanks for putting a face and voice to a legend. i must admit though what i really loved was the footage of Jean. does she jump anymore?
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Re: [littlestranger] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
littlestranger wrote:
thanks for putting a face and voice to a legend. i must admit though what i really loved was the footage of Jean. does she jump anymore?

ditto. i did not know what carl looked or sounded like, because the few pictures ive seen of him hes been so covered in gear that u cant see his face.
thanks nick.
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
Beauty, pure beauty...

People who hide this beauty from humankind behind "copyright" bullshit are true criminals!
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
dont know where i read it or maybe i am thinking i have read it but i thought carl went up there with a photographer this being the guy in texas,and also a local mountain guide that took them all up there for the first shoot of jumping the troll wall..

the mountain guide knew every rock and sheer walls around that area,and the camera guy was shooting with carl for the first jumps made by the other guys.

i guess you can always go straight to the only guy left alive from this jump.

but great footage thanks for sharing mate.

wish people would release more it is history and also the beginning when they knew hardly much at all compared to todays standards.

i would hate to think of all the untold storys and jumps hidden away because people are worried about others seeing the amazing stuff people were doing back then..
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
Amazing video. Thank you so much for posting it!
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Re: [bodyguard] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
 
The easy way is to wait for Nick to finish his book and Marah to release her film.

But if you dig around there is already quite a lot of stuff out there.

We are but tourists in comparison.
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Re: [unclecharlie95] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
Arnstein Myskja was the local climber who went with him that day when he jumped from Stabben. He later died in a snow avelanche at Mjelva. The jump from Stabben it selves is still a mystery the day today, and just right of Stabben there is 16 seconds rock drop called Labben today.
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Re: [unclecharlie95] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
unclecharlie95 wrote:
The easy way is to wait for Nick to finish his book

EASY WAY i think he's producing a movie about hitler and base jumping and then theres the one about a bike going missing ..Wink
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Re: [434] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
>>Arnstein Myskja<<

Okay, that rings a bell. I remember now hearing "Arnie."

NickD Smile
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
Thanks for posting Nick. That was excellent!!!
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Re: [cloudtramp] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
The YouTube link now goes to a notice that says:
"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Jean Boenish."

Dang. It sounded more than interesting.
Frown

Hope it comes back soon.
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Re: [BASE841] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
how does she own the copyright to a tevelevision interview?
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Re: [avenfoto] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
avenfoto wrote:
how does she own the copyright to a tevelevision interview?

I agree. Looks like she was happy enough to seek the glory and sell / give the footage to a TV program. How can she now claim copyright now?
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Re: [avenfoto] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
In reply to:
how does she own the copyright to a tevelevision interview?

She would own the copyright to Carl's footage that was played during the interview. The TV production licensed the rights to use that footage only for the initial broadcast etc. Not for anything beyond that.

That's just the way it works.
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WTF, what does she get from hiding all that great stuff from the world? Its peace of history for this sport! Plus its not her stuff, its Carls! And from what I have read about him, I think he would be ok to share it with other jumpers...
I am so pissed I didnt watch the clip like 10 times before it was removed, first time I got a look at Carl and heard his voice. Im sorry but I have no respect for his wife, I get it, they wanna make a movie, but one small fucking interview? She could have let it go...
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
Nick, are you happy if I put up the copies of The Fixed Object Journal I have?

They will be shown in full and not reproduced for the benefit of any other publication, and I think its important for the history of the sport.

I know we have PMd about this previously and you refused permission (I had asked as a matter of being polite), but I think that with all the other historical articles and publications I am putting up, these have a genuine place, and now with history being lost a little, its would be beneficial for the BASE community.

Please refer to the Historical forum I have created for other publications and articles:

http://www.basejumper.org/...m/viewforum.php?f=17

I look forward to hearing from you.

Michael
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Nice ambush, Mike. If I say no I'm Jean Boenish. Well played, sir . . . Wink

I went over to look at the PDFs on your site, but I can't d/l them. If I click "save as" they want to d/l as "file.php" and I only get about 9 kbs. If I use my d/l manager the actual link to the individual file comes back (for example) as http://www.basejumper.org/...load/file.php?id=217

In both cases they wind up saved as php files. And manually changing the extension to PFD doesn't work. And php files won't open in my browser either, I tried both Fire Fox and IE.

I don't have any issues d/ling other PFD files. And I think it's a problem on my end, but I don't understand why your intial link to a PFD file D/Ls as a PHP file. When I click properties on your links I get the URL stated above. Have you any ideas for me?

Oh, and go ahead and post them. You have my permission to post the Fixed Object Journal in PDF form on your site, basejumper.org, and for no other use. I said no the first time not knowing in what format I was going to use them in my book. But it looks like I'm only using excerpts, so go ahead.

Do you have them all?

NickD Smile
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In reply to:
The TV production licensed the rights to use that footage only for the initial broadcast

that makes sense.
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In reply to:
Oh, and go ahead and post them. You have my permission to post the Fixed Object Journal in PDF form on your site, basejumper.org, and for no other use. I said no the first time not knowing in what format I was going to use them in my book. But it looks like I'm only using excerpts, so go ahead.

Do you have them all?
Thats great! Cant wait to read them:)
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Re: [Lukasz_Se] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
Found this while surfing the bay...........

http://thepiratebay.org/.../Carl_Boenish_Speaks
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Re: [Lukasz_Se] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
Don't forget you can purchase Carl's vid's (in PAL format but then that's not a problem nowadays) from this site:

http://www.skydivingvideos.de/

Unfortunately the quality is what you would expect of 16mm that has not been preserved with all the technology that's available and it seems that as time goes on and people talk about what they will or won't do the film just continues to degrade and the only hope there is of preserving this work is in the digital realm.

So it's not surprising that the best preserved works that we have of Carl's is contained within "The Gypsy Moths".

I'm still very happy with my purchase from Klaus Heller.
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
Nick, Sorry I have not had time to get back personally, but I have now uploaded the copies I have to the UK board.

I have put up Vol 1 Issue 3 & 4, and Vol 2 issue 1,3 & 4.

It would be so great if you could add any of the missing issues, I am sure that the people looking at these will 100% be appreciative.

To everyone else, with kind permission from NDG, FOJ copies are now on the UK Board in the Ab Initio forum, along side many other historical BASE publications, articles and pictures.

We all must try and keep the history alive.


Michael
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Re: [NickDG] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
....and dont "Save as", just hit the link, and it should just open a dialogue box with options to open or save..... let me know if you have issues...

Thanks
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Re: [GaryP] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
I remember reading somewhere that Carl's DVDs will be reissued on DVD in the future Smile Maybe Marah can chime in..
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Re: [kiwibaser] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
GUTTED !!! Can not find any vids containing Carl on YOUTUBE what is going on he should be everywhere and he is nowhere !
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Re: [BASEwish] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
why should any vids be on youTube?

in Carl's case, the copyright holder does not want them there.

if that minor detail causes you to be "GUTTED !!!," then I'd hate to see you respond when BASE turns ugly.
Crazy
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Re: [wwarped] Carl Boenish Speaks . . .
i mean it in a case of reading so much about the dude and never hearing a bad word about him , would just love to see moving images!
Thats my wording not my call