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Re: [Treejumps] Jumper missing at Notch Peak, UT
Any news??? Hope someone or alot of people are looking for him.
Re: [Treejumps] Jumper missing in UT
Did he have any comunication with his ground crew? Any indication that he might have jumped or was he just late jumping and the GC went looking for him?
So is this just basicly a lost hiker incedent?
Lee
Re: [RiggerLee] Jumper missing in UT
Any word on the search? I know the jumper very well and of course everything is so hush on subjects like this. I tried calling the person doing GC but they I think are aiding in the search.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
I just got off the phone with the Utah dps pilot that flew the search. They found nothing today. Full search with Heli and bloodhounds are going on. I explained the exit and possible wingsuit routes to him. He said they spent hours in those exact locations. Something is off here....
Re: [cutter29] Jumper missing in UT
Hmmm and his wingsuit is bright orange, not likely to be missed. This is good news right?
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
The one i saw in twin... His v-1 is black.... Come back man. Hope your just lost
Re: [travisjones] Jumper missing in UT
From what I know the one he brought with him is the orange one. Either way if anyone hears of his condition post something. I know you alls are secretive but I just wont to make sure my friend is safe.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
Whatever color it doesnt matter. Im in the same position, i just want to know if he is ok.
Re: [travisjones] Jumper missing in UT
Just got off the phone with Tiffany, his GPS has stated that he has moved 18 miles in the past 24 hours. The GPS coordinates were given to the cops so I am hoping they are closing in.
Re: [Treejumps] Jumper missing in UT
Update please - fingers crossed 
Am I correct in thinking one is still
missing and the other was found??
Re: [Treejumps] Jumper missing in UT
It is Saturday and he is still missing. Since bridgefest is today I made a special trip back to TF to ask for volunteers. WE NEED HELP !!!!!!! So far only Jesse and Nathan have volunteered. The best I can tell the Millard county sheriff is friendly to Base. This isn't going to reflect well on the Base community that people can't even give up one day to look for a missing friend and jumper. The canyon he is missing in is very dense and can only be searched on foot. Helicopters and ATVs can not access it.
If anybody is not in TF and sees this and can help, meet at the AMASA ATV BLM pavillion tomorrow between 08:00-09:00 or ASAP. I'm leaving TF between 22:00-23:00 to continue the search.
PLEASE HELP IF YOU CAN.
Re: [stitch] Jumper missing in UT
Anyone in Texas willing to carpool? Im in Austin, we could leave anytime. Im not big on putting my number online but if they need people to search we can leave as soon as I have at least 1 other ... so any takers email me at lisamariekull@gmail.com
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
Stitch, let us know if they will be able to send out another group, if we leave now we would get there tomorrow. I also have people closer that can help just call me so I can get the info on what they need.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
I'm off this week, I can come up and search. It will mean changing a bunch of shi* in my life, but I can do it. And I want to do it if needed. Let me know. skylord@cox.net
cell 760-458-2153
Re: [skylord] Jumper missing in UT
I just tried calling you, call me and we can figure something out. Im waiting on SAR to call me back and let me know the gear needed to search the canyon, if I drive I have another Austin person coming with but I may fly due to the distence. We will bring him home
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
Lisa, I'm in San Diego but can get up there in a few hours. Sorry I missed your call, my home is 760-732-0477.
Bob
Re: [skylord] Jumper missing in UT
Ive got a call in to SAR, am waiting on the call back. As soon as I hear from them I will let those who can help know.
Re: [JBWare] Jumper missing in UT
SAR has confirmed that they have sufficient volunteers, there are people with training on the will call list if they need more
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
I am with the Millard Search and Rescue, Does any one have a current photo of the missing man. We had a sighting in the area where his beacon had been picked up, but need a photo to know if we are looking for the right guy.
My name is Les, call sign is 1P144, I will only be near the computer for a few more minutes then I am heading back out to Millers canyon to resume searching. I assure you all we are doing our very best to bring your friend home safely. this country is very unforgiving and difficult to cover but we will do all we can. Pray for him and those who search for him.
Re: [ghostrider64] Jumper missing in UT
Name of jumper?
ghostrider64 wrote:
Does any one have a current photo of the missing man.
Re: [base428] Jumper missing in UT
If no one wants to post it here in the open, at least do it in the private forum on BLiNC. There are probably a bunch of pictures floating out there but a bunch of folks who don't know who it is. And if anyone on site can validate the ID of the requestor.
Re: [Para_Frog] Jumper missing in UT
My name is Les Harward, My call sign with the Posse is 1P144
I live in Delta, Utah,
My cell is 435-979-2386, only call if you have pertinent information please.
My email is ghostrider64@frontiernet.net
thanks
Les.
Re: [Para_Frog] Jumper missing in UT
Thankyou all, I have received good quality pics from two separte sources, The reason I didnt use the missing mans name was for his privacy and that of those close to him. I knew that those who know him would know what pictures to send. Again thanks again. I heading out to the Notch Pk. area now to find the man can make a positve ID. Les. 1p144
Re: [Para_Frog] Jumper missing in UT
Para_Frog wrote:
If no one wants to post it here in the open...
There is no reason not to post it. Like Jason, I'm confused as to why Leroy's name is not being used in this thread.
Re: [TomAiello] Jumper missing in UT
TomAiello wrote:
Para_Frog wrote:
If no one wants to post it here in the open...
There is no reason not to post it. Like Jason, I'm confused as to why Leroy's name is not being used in this thread.
Thank you for ending my confusion. It was previously posted at dropzone.com--including a link to this thread--and now it has made the news:
http://www.abc4.com/...3eUqKQ8tmWoDY1Q.cspx
His last post on Plaxo--about eight days ago--was "Alive!" Hold that thought.
Re: [TomAiello] Jumper missing in UT
I think because of the questionable legality of the site and because we all hoped when this thread began that he would show up quickly. Just heard the SO has called off the search and that Stitch is the only one still looking for him. Christ, if one BASE jumper still searching is the best Leroy can get, I guess I could expect about 10 minutes of folks time. As a community, we suck balls. Just my .02. Good thoughts westward. Anybody out that way wanting to help Stitch search, I am still willing to help with expenses.
Re: [RhondaLea] Jumper missing in UT
All, I called up to the Sheriff's department and offered at least two aircraft. They already have airborne assets there from the army.
I suggest we let these top line pros run the operation and let them ask us for help, as hard as that may be. They will find Leroy, and then we can all go up and kick his ass for worrying us like this!
Bob Marks
Re: [skylord] Jumper missing in UT
It is with great sadness I am letting you know that the Sheriffs dept has called off the search. Now its up to volunteers if any one can search..
Re: [skylord] Jumper missing in UT
Bob, What were you told? As Scubadivemaster posted, we received word that the SO has completely called off all SAR. Airborne assets or not, our understanding is that there will be no more use of those assets.
We are willing to help if there is anyone around that can lend a hand.
Re: [dpsmocv] Jumper missing in UT
Im heading there tuesday ... just check in with the sheriff so they know where we are searching. If he is in that canyon we will fucking find him
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
EDITED: Feeling less negative after hearing that several people are headed that way to continue the search. You people actually doing something call me if you need funds. 2707847568 Stephen
Re: [Scubadivemaster] Jumper missing in UT
All of you folks coming here to help find Leroy, even though the Authorities have indeed called off the search, Im still willing to give whatever support to help find him, I know the areas well, and I know what areas have been saturated and what areas may have not been, as far as gear needed,.......lots of water, temps have been running in mid 90's out there, good hiking boots, and some very basic climbing equipment should do it. I seen Kurts car at the local motel tonight but did not get a chance to talk to him (kurt being the other jumper) I will try to catch up with him in the morning. Dont lose faith, I have a feeling that this can still have a good ending.
Re: [base428] Leroy
Leroy's Facebook Photos Attached is a photo of Leroy on the
same A jump as my current avatar.
Re: Leroy
If anyone can survive out there, Leroy can. He's a military drill sergeant in good physical condition and he's smart. Every BASE jumper in the area should be searching for him. Since I'm 2000 miles away and I don't know the area, I'm willing to kick in $1000 to help those who can. Tell me what you all need. Also, can someone please post some current information? Did he carry a GPS or SPOT device? How much water did he have? Where was he last seen? What information can Kurt add to the search? How was the "traveled 18 miles in 24 hours" information obtained? Is Leroy's family involved in the search? Who's now in charge of the search?
If you were lost out there, I trust that you'd want every jumper to help in some capacity.
Re: [base428] Leroy
I'm stuck at Ft Knox, but I emailed some buddies at 20th SF Group in Draper. Stitch, if they can head your way, I'm giving them your number.
2200 miles away & concerned
Yes, Leroy is in good shape and well trained so his chances are good plus the movement
of his electronic device that is being tracked
indicates he is working.
How did Stitch and Leroy become separated?
I heard 2nd hand that the trails in & out are
very obvious and visible from the exit plus
his beacon is transmitting; I am confused
a bit as to how/why he remains lost
Re: [Treejumps] Jumper missing in UT
anybody know which search and rescue agencies specifically have been/were activated and which are still ongoing?
Re: [milkflyrockclimb] Jumper missing in UT
http://www.abc4.com/...3eUqKQ8tmWoDY1Q.cspx
Re: Leroy
I am well out of the BASE jumping scene but I know Leroy. I will pitch in some money to get people on the ground.
Re: [TomAiello] Jumper missing in UT
TomAiello wrote:
I'm confused as to why Leroy's name is not being used in this thread.
I expect to see more interest and sympathy knowing it's Leroy. he is obviously a highly trained, competent, and known.
thanks to all who are helping out!
Re: [ghostrider64] Jumper missing in UT
Hey guys, A few of us are going to head up today and help look through the canyon for Leroy. A lot of people have offered to help financially. We've set up a fund to help volunteers out with travel costs. If you want to help out with travel costs, you can paypal:
accounting@gravityredefined.com
If anyone is nearby and wants to volunteer their time in the search, PM me or call me and I can paypal you some of the money for transportation.
Thanks,
Nathan Pertuset
859-248-9822
Edited to Add:
After this afternoon, I'll be gone. Please PM Ghetto (Brett Kistler) or call him at 216-367-2929. He has access to the paypal account.
Re: [n_pertuset] Jumper missing in UT
I have never done any jumping but I know Leroy and i know he knows what he's doing but things do happen I hope and I pray that hes safe plz keep us informed of what happening so we know things at our end are slow GOD SPEED Drill Sargent
Re: [Treejumps] Leroy
These are my feelings as well. I am completely confused at this point as to what the hell is actually going on. I had just returned to the states when i received the news, and I really don't understand all the facts. Could someone please discern exactly what is going on? Has his family even been notified? Was there any kind of contingency plan? This just seems bad from the start based on the sketchy details provided so far.
LeRoy! Come home!
Re: [Treejumps] Leroy
I'm trying to understand how they could have GPS cords and not find him. Can someone explain how these beacons work? I thought I knew but I guess not. Is it real time or delayed? Where does he live? Could he have gotten pissed, thinking his friend left him and went home? Wouldn't be the first time they were searching for someone who was not there.
Re: [Treejumps] Leroy
I don't have a facebook account and hopefully never will. Can someone feed us this info? Thanks to Tree for the info.
Treejumps wrote:
Leroy's wife has put some stuff on Facebook.
Re: [blitzkrieg] Leroy
Whatup blitzrkieg. Welcome home. I do find it strange that there are some gaps in info. There has been some time put into searching.
I would rather see him home safe and a big miscommunication rather than still out there drinking water filtered through a sock.
Re: [CSpenceFLY] Leroy
Hey Everyone, Thanks to several contributions from jumpers and friends of Leroy, there is plenty of money available to pay for travel expenses for anyone in the area who can help with the search. Nathan and Jesse are on their way, and more volunteers would definitely be welcome.
Let's not give up on our friend
Re: [n_pertuset] Jumper missing in UT
I live in Lehi... Can I make it there in time to be able to help? I'm going to talk to my boss now and see if I can break away...
Re: [SBCmac] Jumper missing in UT
I don't need funds... I just need driving directions and meeting place.
Re: [SBCmac] Jumper missing in UT
Nathan can give you driving directions & a meeting point: 859 248 9822
Re: [CSpenceFLY] Leroy
CSpenceFLY wrote:
Could he have gotten pissed, thinking his friend left him and went home? Wouldn't be the first time they were searching for someone who was not there.
It would not be consonant with his temperment to do such a thing. He might have gotten irritated/frustrated/resigned and left or he might've decided not to wait and gone on with the jump without stitch, but he wouldn't let everyone run around like loons looking for him if he had the ability to prevent it.
Re: [Ghetto] Jumper missing in UT
I just PM'd Nathan... I'll give him a call here in a couple minutes...
Thanks!
Michael
Re: [Treejumps] Leroy
Does anyone know when the "I am Ok" singal was sent to his wife? Was it around when he was going to jump, after, before? I wonder if that would help with the timeline.
Re: [flyer299] Leroy
Hello all concerned As of last night the Millard SO called off the search pending any new develpments, so far the Millarc Co.
sheriffs dept. The West Millard Search and Rescue, The Utah DPS, The Civil air patrol, Two blackhawk choppers, One civilian volunteer aircraft, Two teams of search dogs, many teams on foot and Atvs had all been employed since the initial beacon was received on Last wednesday evening. The reports of a beacon signal originating 18 jmiles away have been laid to rest. The sighting in that area appear now to have been dismissed as mistaken Identity. I have talked with a few jumpers who are enroute to Delta to continue the search, They are planning on getting here around 1630 this afternoon. I will assist them in any way I can to help maximize the effort. Alot of rumors have sprung from this event. We need to not let speculation run amok, The facts at this point are few and simple, a man is missing, no foul play is suspected. Every conceivable resource available has been used to find him, only positive contributions are helpfull. Please dont let an event like this lead to wild speculation Thanks.
Re: Jumper missing in UT
1. Had he gotten pissed (even though this is unlikly) his car was left, his cellphone was in his car along with his laptop. 2. There was 2 pings from his GPS on Wednesday...however he may have had a bad reception (sats need clear and direct line) because he could not have traveled that far without a ATV in that short of time.
3. His girlfriend and family has been in contact with the sheriffs dept and Ive been in contact with both them and the sars.
4. If his body is out there we WILL bring him home. Im working on getting out there right now.
5. He may still be alive, LeRoy can get water from the desert even without a water source.
6. Just because things dont add up right now means nothing. Stitch and the SARS are to busy searching to give a detailed message about everything. We need able bodies to search.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
To all of you heading to UT - THANKS, and please be safe! All of you are in my thoughts and prayers. Although the information is sporatic... any and all updates are truly appreciated!!!
Ms Lisa, please give Kurt a big hug (for both of ya) from me!
God speed everyone!
g
Re: [base428] Leroy
I'm pretty much in the same boat as Jason, 2000 miles away and for other reasons unable to come out in person. One post said there is plenty money for the volunteers. I took that to mean no more is needed but if that is incorrect or if that changes please update this thread. Still hoping for a good outcome.
Re: [gweeks] Leroy
Tiffany needs to get to Austin so we can leave from here... Ive been looking into plane tickets for her and shes calling nathan now but anyone who can help her get a ticket into Austin call her at 910 224 1087 this is his girlfriend... she has to go claim his car and stuff.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Leroy
I just called her but she didn't answer so I left a message. I'll try again in a little bit.
Re: [Ghetto] Leroy
Yea I was on the phone with her getting our game plan. Shes got some gear but Im heading out to get walkie talkies and extra batteries for the GPS. My sleeping bags are rated to like 40 degrees, will that be sufficient for the night temps?
Re: [gweeks] Leroy
gweeks wrote:
I'm pretty much in the same boat as Jason, 2000 miles away and for other reasons unable to come out in person. One post said there is plenty money for the volunteers. I took that to mean no more is needed but if that is incorrect or if that changes please update this thread.
Still hoping for a good outcome.
+1
Re: [vid666] Leroy
I can't make the search, but if anybody passing through needs a shower or place to spend some time in SLC let me know. Just send me a PM and we'll work it out.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Leroy
I'm sure this has been thought of but, why Austin? She should fly direct rather than so many hours away. Leroy and I were chatting on his way out the door. He was excited ... Just today I found that was the last he's been heard from.
What a week.
Re: [hookitt] Leroy
Ive all her gear, im gearing her up and then she cant rent a car or anything nor should she drive herself. Or she can fly anywhere along my route, my route does not include Salt Lake City.
Re: [blitzkrieg] Leroy
this news sucks....confused as well ...only pray for good news.. if i can be of help in mo....matt
Re: [ghostrider64] Leroy
Same offer to you SAR guys who are helping out on your own time. If you need anything, let us know. And thanks.
Re: [Scubadivemaster] Leroy
UPDATE - Keep your fingers crossed but SAR just called and there may have been a possible live sighting...
Re: [flyer299] Leroy
Im shaking from the possibility .... the sighting was Saturday night, but Les said with the hunting going on the people didnt think nothing of it, but the media is now distributing his picture and the Sheriff is bringing it out. OH Please keep fingers crossed that this IS LeRoy and that they get him.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Leroy
lisamariewillbe wrote:
UPDATE - Keep your fingers crossed but SAR just called and there may have been a possible live sighting...
damn that is good to hear.
I just hope it gets confirmed!
Re: [wwarped] Leroy
does anyone else think this is getting blown way out of proportion? leroy is trained for this exact scenario.
where is kurt gregory? why dosent he offer an explaination, seeing as he was the only other individual in the party.
just goes to show, CALL THE LOCALS
good luck.
Re: [avenfoto] Leroy
avenfoto wrote:
does anyone else think this is getting blown way out of proportion?
Maybe not.
avenfoto wrote:
leroy is trained for this exact scenario.
where is kurt gregory? why dosent he offer an explaination, seeing as he was the only other individual in the party.
We all know how the newspapers are, but this article gives the appearance of being factual:
http://www.sltrib.com/...1?source=most_viewed
"Buckley was walking along a ledge near the base of the peak when Gregory lost sight of him. Gregory searched for Buckley, but called police with an emergency beacon when he ran out of water. Searchers in a Utah Department of Public Safety helicopter spotted Gregory, picked him up and brought him back to his car at about 4 p.m. Wednesday."
Re: [dpsmocv] Jumper missing in UT
dpsmocv wrote:
Bob,
What were you told? As Scubadivemaster posted, we received word that the SO has completely called off all SAR. Airborne assets or not, our understanding is that there will be no more use of those assets.
We are willing to help if there is anyone around that can lend a hand.
I did not get word until just now. I told them I could find a couple airplanes to help, and they told me they already had 2 army aircraft up and looking. I gave them my number and name and only received a message that the Sheriff got that info and they would let me know.
I never got a follow up call.
Bob
Re: [skylord] Jumper missing in UT
Call Les 435 979 2386 ... Sheriff had to call the search off cause the cost but Les and volunteers are still there. Still waiting on word from the possible sighting, ill be leaving tomorrow to get there.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
There is a handful of people camping at the south landing area wash. Nathan and others. They will be searching some possible areas tomorrow.
Re: Jumper missing in UT
LeRoy buddy, come on and get out of there alive and in one piece. Vacation is over. KL is only 6 weeks away!
Re: [Rauk] Jumper missing in UT
There is a group of friends/fellow jumpers who have came to assist, they are going to search the fingers and south wash area tomorrow morning, I am going to go into Amasa and check out a possible sighting that took place on sunday. Its a long shot but you gotta check em all out. After I finish that area I plan to go down through Marjum pass and join the group of jumper/friend/searcher/all around damn good folks. in the south wash area. Lets all try to keep up hope. From what I have learned of Leroy from all of you...... he will have survived if the conditions he met were survivable. Weather is taking a turn for the worse, severe thunderstorms in area, cooling down. Better get to bed now, Mornings gonna come early again.
Re: [ghostrider64] Jumper missing in UT
to anyone who comes to the area to help search for LeRoy, bring your walkie talkie radios, the channel we have agreed on is Channel 1 subchannel 1 C ya out there
Re: Leroy
Almost a week in the wilderness is long enough... come back Le Roy!!! Use that Army training we paid for!!
Re: [ghostrider64] Jumper missing in UT
All of you guys stay safe too! One missing BASE jumper is hard enough lets not lose someone else in the mass expedition of BASE jumpers going on out there.
SAR Assistance
I am the director of emergency services of a company on the east coast. I know Leroy and Tiffany, as they have been friends for years. I am offering any resources at my disposal to those that are on location and on the ground. I am a NASAR SAR Tech II, I will be more that able to assist in the logistics to ensure a safe return. I am in contact with Tiffany and the SO to be sure I am up to date on all activities and resources that have been or are being deployed. Please do not hesitate to contact me at any time. <-Andrew
Re: [ghostrider64] Jumper missing in UT
I have a place near st. george, utah if any one travelling in from vegas or points south needs a place to crash pm me
Re: [DarkSideDan] Jumper missing in UT
I'm on the right coast til friday night but if there are any high rollers out there with the cash to cover i have contact info to get a heli or if the search is still under way i can have another one in the air sat am.
Re: [cutter29] Jumper missing in UT
dpsmocv has my number so if there is anyone between Austin TX and Delta we are on our way, Ill have Tiffany and LeRoys Uncle with me so we have room for 2 more. On the drive back is where Ill take people up on showers available if they arent out of the way. This is NOT how I wanted to be able to see this part of the Country but it is what it is. Please keep everyone in your thoughts and you guys rock.
Re: [460] Jumper missing in UT
Yup, you'll find midget faded, prairie, sidewinder, modave and speckled - however very low incidents per year... I'd be more afraid of the elements - and I HATE snakes.
g
Re: [460] Jumper missing in UT
Not sure if they are involved or not, but the Civil air Patrol, a non-profit organization, specializes in SAR. They have ground and air assets; and if $$$ is an issue no worries, they're funded by the Air Force. It's all volunteer force and from what I've seen online they have a huge presence in UT. Maybe someone involved with the search could google up some contact info and give them a try, search Civil Air Patrol Utah Wing.
Re: [lost_n_confuzd] Jumper missing in UT
I just received a call from LisaMarieWillBe. LeRoy's aunt will be arriving in Salt Lake City tomorrow, 9/16/09, around 11 am. She has been unable to find a rental vehicle, so they are looking for anyone in the SLC area that can pick her up from the airport and take her either to Delta (the city, not the airline) or meet LisaMarieWillBe halfway between SLC and Delta.
If you can help with this, please post back here or PM me and I will get the info to Lisa.
Re: [AtlanticEmergencyServices] SAR Assistance
Andrew, Thanks for posting. While I would love to help out I am not trained at ALL in hiking/survival/search missions. I defer to you.
What we do not need is emotional actions by untrained friends that may complicate the mission. This is how one person gets in trouble, and seven people drown trying to help.
I assume you are in constant touch with Lisa Marie and the Sheriff's Office. The CAP is a valuable asset here. The best short term I can do is help pay costs for those trained and equipped to search.
Bob
LeRoy
News Link Coquille GI goes missing in Utah
By Andy Rossback, News Intern
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 | No comments posted.
Law enforcement in Utah continues to search for a missing 1997 Coquille High School graduate, who served more than a year in Afghanistan. U.S. Army Drill Sgt. LeRoy D. Buckley, 31, went missing Sept. 9 during a hiking trip in Utah.
Buckley, who’s stationed at Fort Leonardwood, Mo., was separated from a friend on Notch Peak, about 70 miles west of Delta, Utah, which is also been dubbed “Confusion Mountain,” by locals, said his sister, Louisa Johnson.
Buckley and a friend planned to BASE jump the mountain on Wednesday, but were running out of water, she said. BASE jumpers use a quick-release parachute to jump from mountains and cliffs.
“My brother went up the trail. He called out to his friend,” said Johnson of Coos Bay. “(His friend) went up to find him and he was gone.”
“Buckley was seen walking along a ledge and went out of sight,” according to a Millard County Sheriff’s Office press release.
The friend, 44-year-old Kurt Gregory, of Twin Falls, Idaho, searched and called police, using an emergency beacon when he ran out of water, The Associated Press reported. A helicopter picked him up Wednesday. Millard County, Utah, officials began an extensive ground and air search on Friday, but called it off on Sunday.
Sheriff’s searchers left the mountain because there were reports of 50-mph winds and hail up to 1-inch in size. That prevented them from putting helicopters in the air, said Sheriff Robert Dekker.
“The volunteers we had were just worn out,” he said.
The Army is providing air support and help with logistics.
“I believe they truly watch out for their people,” Dekker said of the Army.
Buckley was wearing a spot-check transmitter, which sends out a signal if a hiker activates it. Dekker said he never activated it.
BASE jumpers also are helping, with one member donating $1,000 to the search. Buckley’s family is planning to travel to Utah to search themselves, Johnson said.
On Friday, an antelope hunter spotted a man sitting against a tree who matched Buckley’s description and asked him if he needed help, Johnson said. The man responded that his camp was just down the mountain and that he would just like a drink of water. The Sheriff’s Office doesn’t believe it was Buckley, but rather another antelope hunter. Hunting season started Saturday.
Buckley’s mother, Brenda Menning of Powers, said her son has been dealing with some emotional stress, after coming back from Afghanistan, and having his stepfather and grandmother pass away.
“He just kinda lost it and we don’t know,” she said.
Police don’t suspect there was foul play. They also don’t believe Buckley committed suicide, Sheriff Dekker said.
Buckley has a two-year-old son.
“He is a really great man who puts his heart out,” Johnson said. “A good-hearted soul.”
Re: [skylord] SAR Assistance
At this time, I am compiling a team of trained SAR personnel to drive out of North Carolina and assist with the ground search, most of which have been trained in man tracking, land navigation, and high angel rescue. I am hoping to have them deployed within the next 12 hours. They have been equipped with a trailer of supplies to include night vision, ropes, and rescue supplies. Has there been a "base camp" set up there in Notch?
Re: [AtlanticEmergencyServices] SAR Assistance
Andrew that is awesome! Probably best to contact Les regarding base camp/details/etc, he is running the show:
My name is Les Harward,
My call sign with the Posse is 1P144
I live in Delta, Utah,
My cell is 435-979-2386, only call if you have pertinent information please.
My email is ghostrider64@frontiernet.net
thanks
Les.
g
Re: [dpsmocv] Jumper missing in UT
In reply to:
I just received a call from LisaMarieWillBe. LeRoy's aunt will be arriving in Salt Lake City tomorrow, 9/16/09, around 11 am.
She has been unable to find a rental vehicle, so they are looking for anyone in the SLC area that can pick her up from the airport and take her either to Delta (the city, not the airline) or meet LisaMarieWillBe halfway between SLC and Delta.
If you can help with this, please post back here or PM me and I will get the info to Lisa.
I might be able to finish up a project tonight. Which in return would give me the day off tomorrow. So I could probably pick her up and drive her down.
Re: [RhondaLea] A detailed account of events so far
I wish I could get down to Utah to help out with the search right now but unfortunately I'm stuck here in Georgia. Leroy is a stand-up guy and I know there's still a good chance he's alive somewhere out there. Keep up the spirits guys and keep on looking 'till you find him. Leave no man behind...
--Brian
Re: [guppie01] SAR Assistance
Hi all, I went out today with the group of jumpers who came to Delta, we searched all day in the canyon which his last spot beacon transmission would have indicated he jumped into, The canyon was searched thoroughly by foot,(and may I say the volunteers who were there were incredible, made me remember my younger, lighter, less busted up and stiff years)
A search was conducted all the way up the wash, and up every single side canyon all the way to the base of the main cliff directly below the jump point. I am finally able to set my mind at ease that Leroy is not in the canyon which we all assumed he jumped into.
The jumper/volunteer/searchers are going to mount efforts again tomorrow, I have to return to work or no doubt suffer the consequences. I will however be off again Saturday and will continue to aid in his recovery in whatever capacity I may. I have heard that possibly the heli's may be back tomorrow. If anyone has any credible leads or information they need to get them to the Millard County Sheriff, I will do anything I can to help, It has been said that "I am running the show," I can assure you, I am not. I am only one member of an all volunteer Sheriffs Posse . If you have any news please contact me, but also give the same information to the appropriate authorities as well. I joined this thread mainly to try and help bring your friend home, by learning all I could and hopefully getting in touch with folks who could help us in our search efforts, Thankyou to all of you who sent the pics, helped with beacon locator issues, answered questions about BASE jumping that helped us get a better idea of how and what might need to be addressed, and mostly thanks to those came here on your own time to help. Thanks all, good night, its been another long day, god bless, and say one for Leroy before you turn in.
Re: [ghostrider64] SAR Assistance
add me in on the donations if needed. i cant give much but i'l give every bit i can. i wish my situation was different and like it use to be so i could just pick up and head out there for a week. life and bills are kickin my butt right now tho so i'm stuck in TN only able to pray and possibly pay. i'l say one before bed and send sum 2moro! PM me if anybody knows of a specific amount ie to maybe cover some needed gear or jus a ltl extra to feed the crews that are lookin. good luck everybody!
Re: Jumper missing in UT
Damnit LeRoy, I better see you at KL... Stay strong buddy, you can make it! I'd be there looking if I could.
Coco
Re: [ghostrider64] SAR Assistance
Hi Les, Thank you for everyting you have done. You truly have gone above and beyond. Please know that what you have been doing is much appreciated.
Your are definitely my hero!
Michael
Thanks to Millard County Sheriff's Office
In addition to thanking Les, who has given so much to this search... I want to also thank the Millard County Seriff's Office. For us that came out to help search today, we really appreciate you meeting with us and sharing the information that you had to date. And we really appreciate you keeping in contact with us. This gave us, our friends and family the comfort of knowing that you all knew our whereabouts today. Thanks again!
Michael
Re: [SBCmac] Thanks to Millard County Sheriff's Office
this incredible outpouring of help to a base brother is truly amazing to me.
Re: [460] Thanks to Millard County Sheriff's Office
All to often when we lose someone they are lost forever, this time there is not such certainty. Wishing I could help more.
Re: [Ghetto] Thanks to Millard County Sheriff's Office
no one has posted anything in awhile.. any news? I have thought about this everyday, all day. Im praying for the best.
new update
There is a kid in Delta, UT that said a man fitting the missing base jumper's profile and picture tried to car jack him and now is wanted by the sheriffs dept for questioning. This is coming from a reliable source. I know it sounds far fetched, but something fishy is going on. I'm not scared of being ostracized for my comments, because I know the jumper and this seems more plausible then the current assumptions. Let the flame fest begin. I not trying to stir up contraversy, just spreading some information.
Re: [SabreDave] new update
I am not kidding. This is not a joke. I am not trolling. Anyone on the search group can confirm.
Re: [bitchicus] new update
It sounds possible that Leroy is ill . . . http://www.topix.com/...mo/T7KR7H1RFG9JVI5JM
NickD
Re: [NickDG] new update
Like I said, something seemed out of place when I first heard this story. All of us in NC (his home state)knew something weird was going on. I'm not so sure it's PTSD, as Leroy never was engaged in combat on his deployment.
Re: [bitchicus] new update
Lets hope this has a happy ending. This guy being in the army has been trained on these situations and he knows not to start walking for days on end if he is lost and doesnt know where he is going. He knows to stay close to where he went missing and wait to be found. Fingers crossed he will turn up okay.
Re: [bitchicus] new update
bitchicus wrote:
Like I said, something seemed out of place when I first heard this story. All of us in NC (his home state)knew something weird was going on. I'm not so sure it's PTSD, as Leroy never was engaged in combat on his deployment.
Combat isn't a prerequisite for the acquisition of PTSD.
Re: [RhondaLea] new update
RhondaLea wrote:
bitchicus wrote:
Like I said, something seemed out of place when I first heard this story. All of us in NC (his home state)knew something weird was going on. I'm not so sure it's PTSD, as Leroy never was engaged in combat on his deployment.
Combat isn't a prerequisite for the acquisition of PTSD.
You're correct, it is not. But seeing as his deployment was over 3 years ago and he has shown no previous symptoms, it is highly unlikely.
Re: [bitchicus] new update
bitchicus wrote:
RhondaLea wrote:
bitchicus wrote:
Like I said, something seemed out of place when I first heard this story. All of us in NC (his home state)knew something weird was going on. I'm not so sure it's PTSD, as Leroy never was engaged in combat on his deployment.
Combat isn't a prerequisite for the acquisition of PTSD.
You're correct, it is not. But seeing as his deployment was over 3 years ago and he has shown no previous symptoms, it is highly unlikely.
Well, we don't know what symptoms he has shown. I'm reluctant to make this personal, but my father is a Marine who did a lot of time in the VA Hospital when I was a child because of events (none of which were combat-related, but were no less traumatic, even so) that occurred when he was deployed to Guam during the Korean War--years before I was born.
The other possibility is that he fell--which would explain why stitch lost sight of him--and hit his head. TBI, as I'm sure you know, can change someone's behavior and personality in an instant.
Leroy and I are no longer friends because of a longstanding disagreement, but I do know him well enough that I refuse to believe the described behavior, if true, is volitional. Beyond that, I'm really not willing to speculate. I'm just hopeful that he will be found soon and cared for in an appropriate manner.
Re: [RhondaLea] new update
I know for a fact that LeRoy has been different since he has been back, but I can't say for sure that he has had any symptoms. However, if you read his last "tweet" on twitter, it does suggest that he has been, possibly, having difficulty sleeping. Which, by the way is one, of many, symptoms of PTSD. His last post on twitter was: "Ever been so tired that it hurts your eyes to wake up?"
Re: [ConcernedFriend] new update
I would attribute that more to the 80+ hour work weeks that he has been pulling as a drill sergeant.
Re: [bitchicus] new update
That may be so! But I still agree with Rhonda, I don't think that LeRoy would something like highjacking a car, if he was in his right mind. Whether it is PTSD or not.
Re: [ConcernedFriend] new update
LeRoys not charged with this, with the amount of hunters in this area its anyones idea who the perp is. From what I understand the Sheriff had the car processed and got prints. Im a friend of LeRoys, Im going with, we dont know. When we get Stitchs time line of what "happened" and since then may have then we may know more. Right now we are just trying to search for him and bring him home regardless.
From what I understand , all sightings so far are not confirmed but Ill have Tiff ask the Sheriff tomorrow. Goodnight all, just remember, there are TWO people who know what happened, Stitch and LeRoy
Re: [bitchicus] new update
bitchicus wrote:
I would attribute that more to the 80+ hour work weeks that he has been pulling as a drill sergeant.
Speaking as one who has up close and personal--not to mention bitter--experience with the phenomenon of post traumatic stress disorder--particularly of the misdiagnosed and maltreated kind--it is my opinion that you have just offered a very important piece of evidence pointing straight to exactly what it is you are trying to exclude.
Now would be a good time to stop speculating. We don't know if he's alive or dead, and we don't know what his mental state is if he is alive. It is not helpful to sit here and tear him apart when no one knows what happened.
Re: [bitchicus] new update
bitchicus wrote:
Like I said, something seemed out of place when I first heard this story. All of us in NC (his home state)knew something weird was going on. I'm not so sure it's PTSD, as Leroy never was engaged in combat on his deployment.
Until we have some facts his family and myself would appreciate it if people would quit spreading rumors on the internet. Leroy is still listed as a missing person at this point. I will be guiding his family to the search area today. As before, all we can do is being done. That, and don't give up hope.
Re: [stitch] new update
not to be a dick, but unless his family is physically able to help with the rescue and can be used as an asset, they will only slow down the SAR with both the speed and moral drain. just a brutal honest/realistic opinion.
Re: [stitch] new update
I would have to agree. Buckley wouldn't do that. I know that for sure and as far as having PTSD from talk to him and working with him I wouldn't say he has it I think it is from workin 80+ hours as a drill sargent. Hes a good hearted person He's the type that would help u out if your car was broken down on the highway in a thunderstorm not car jack you its nice to see how people can turn there backs on people they don't even know
Re: [bitchicus] new update
bitchicus wrote:
There is a kid in Delta, UT that said a man fitting the missing base jumper's profile and picture tried to car jack him and now is wanted by the sheriffs dept for questioning. This is coming from a reliable source. I know it sounds far fetched, but something fishy is going on. I'm not scared of being ostracized for my comments, because I know the jumper and this seems more plausible then the current assumptions. Let the flame fest begin. I not trying to stir up contraversy, just spreading some information.
Love the speculation...lets not make up basejumper.com accounts YESTERDAY with the name BITCHICUS...and then we'll talk
Thanks
Re: [vid666] new update
vid666 wrote:
not to be a dick, but unless his family is physically able to help with the rescue and can be used as an asset, they will only slow down the SAR with both the speed and moral drain.
just a brutal honest/realistic opinion.
Now we are depending strictly on volunteer help.People on here keep on demanding facts. If you want facts then get your asses down here and help. Otherwise keep your opinions to yourself. You're definitely not helping.
Re: [stitch] new update
Hey Stitch..... Can you tell us how you two got seperated? WEre you GC and Leroy jumping. Did you hike togeather> can you clear up that part?
Re: [lisamariewillbe] new update
I think the speculation and rumor mill is doing nothing but hindering this entire situation. Here is FACT. I spoke with the sheriff, face to face, a little over 24 hours ago while I was in Delta. There has been an assault, this is true. They believe it is POSSIBLE that it is Leroy, but have not taken his name off the missing and in danger list. There HAS NOT been a warrant issued at this time (or at that time, better yet) for Leroy. There is still A LOT to process before that is something that can be determined. As far as the the comment, "TWO people who know what happened, Stitch and Leroy.", I don't know if you are trying to say what I think you are trying to say, but if so, please stop. Stitch and his efforts have and are being applauded by the sheriff himself (as well as many others), and until FURTHER INFORMATION PROVES OTHERWISE, we all need to focus on whats really important. WHERE IS LEROY. After we know that, we will all have a lot of questions answered (i hope). Not to mention that Stitch has been in FULL cooperation with the SO and SAR from the beginning. Emotions are running high (for some of us more than others), but I think it is obvious to say that emotions have been clouding this issue throughout. Wait until you have facts, not "something that someone else said that the sheriff said" (remember how the game telephone works?). None of this makes any sense, but when people run around posting everything they HEAR, it makes the scenario even more difficult to understand. There was third party information that kept our group from searching at all yesterday, that turned out not to be true, and it was due to the same kind of hearsay. Please, for Leroy's (and his family) sake, everyone refrain from posting rumors. Les from SAR is keeping up to date on the matter (and has been an amazing help, by the way), and he has a BJ account. I am sure if he hears anything, he will let us know.
Re: [Rauk] new update
Rauk wrote:
As far as the the comment, "TWO people who know what happened, Stitch and Leroy.", I don't know if you are trying to say what I think you are trying to say, but if so, please stop.
You misunderstood her, and anyone else who took it to mean more than "stop the speculation, because no one among you knows the facts" would be wrong to do so. Admittedly, she wasn't clear, but I also expect she's as exhausted as the rest of you.
Re: [johnfulk] new update
johnfulk wrote:
Hey Stitch..... Can you tell us how you two got seperated? WEre you GC and Leroy jumping. Did you hike togeather> can you clear up that part?
Something was previously said like: they were walking along a ridge and they lost sight of each other.
It seems really weird that two people can be walking together - presumably within speaking/shouting distance - and one of them can disappear.
Like you, this is a part of this that doesn't make any sense to me.
Re: [KidWicked] new update
AS I STATED. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE FACTS, STOP POSTING WHAT YOU "HEARD"! The terrain is VERY unforgiving in places and Stitch has already explained that he did not want to continue due to the technical nature of the hike/climb. Leroy decided to continue without him. At this time, how they got separated is not a mystery, and it isn't hard to understand how they got separated. The canyon they were in (and there are MANY canyons out there, by the way) is so dense, that someone could be laying five feet from you and you wouldn't know it. Again, stop with the hearsay. The SO and SAR are no longer asking Stitch how they got separated and neither is anyone else out there involved. So why are you?
Re: [Rauk] new update
Hey thanks for answering my speculative question dude. So Stich backed out and leroy continued. I asked a question, i didnt make up answers.... I hope your answer isnt a rumor or hear say.
Re: [Rauk] new update
Rauk wrote:
AS I STATED. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE FACTS, STOP POSTING WHAT YOU "HEARD"! The terrain is VERY unforgiving in places and Stitch has already explained that he did not want to continue due to the technical nature of the hike/climb. Leroy decided to continue without him. At this time, how they got separated is not a mystery, and it isn't hard to understand how they got separated. The canyon they were in (and there are MANY canyons out there, by the way) is so dense, that someone could be laying five feet from you and you wouldn't know it. Again, stop with the hearsay. The SO and SAR are no longer asking Stitch how they got separated and neither is anyone else out there involved. So why are you?
Well, without knowing what you just posted I don't think I was out of line in what I asked.
Re: [johnfulk] new update
I think your question was answered pages ago by Stich himself. . . I'm also gonne side with Stitch if answers are that important to you then get out there and help find Leroy... (Not you personally johnfulk but the "figurative you" as in everybody). Right now it's solely a vounteer operation and, there aren't very many volunteers operating. . . If you have questions fine. . .Like Rauk said we've already wasted more than one day of search due to wrong info. Nothings confirmed and investigations are underway so, all opinions and speculations should be kept private and not on the forum. Speculate all you want when you're face to face with the family and have no news (good or bad) to realate. . .
Re: [KidWicked] new update
I don't think you are, "out of line" and I understand your curiosity. Just trying to relay to everyone (not just you) that any pertinent information will be made available as it comes. Stitch has been busy (i.e. searching almost everyday for the last week), and has answered enough questions for now (and is damn tired and confused himself). If you really care enough to know whats going on, get involved. I don't mean you any disrespect. Just think about it this way, I just spent 20 hours driving, didn't get to search, talked to Stitch, the SO, and SAR (all in person), and I know about as much as all of you do at this point. Don't expect to get the answers you are looking for on this forum, at least not until more information is available. If you want answers, help find Leroy, because at this point that's the best we can do. Peace
Re: [Treejumps] Jumper missing in UT
I was just looking at my friends list and saw that Leroy was on line at 2:02 pm september 17 2009. Does he have family or friends using his username? Forums : Profile : Friends
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Re: [freeflychris] Jumper missing in UT
Chris, Look at your friends list again. I believe you may have misread it.
Mike
Re: [MikePelkey] Jumper missing in UT
MikePelkey wrote:
Chris,
Look at your friends list again. I believe you may have misread it.
Mike
I might have but wouldn't it say a different date and time of his last log in then.
Re: [SirHoytalot] new update
The SO is not even sure that it is Leroy. They are in the process of validating the victims story. Until that comes out, it might be wise to shut your mouth.
Re: [freeflychris] Jumper missing in UT
After a close exam of your friends list, I see you are friends with DarkSideDan. You should delete him. He stinks like NPS. I smell him right now.
Re: [Rauk] new update
Rauk wrote:
I said it might be wise...
It would also be wise for everyone involved to keep everything to themselves too but we don't see that happening. If speculation, opinions, and general conversations are bothering those that are searching/helping, then why are they posting here and on dz.com? search, eat, rest; If finding someone is your priority then you don't need to be on here telling the rest of us how to act and what to do. This story/situation is a very unusual one to say the least so it will NATURALLY lead to conversation/speculation. If you (and i mean everyone involved not you specifically Rauk) want all that to stop, stop updating, feeding information.
Re: [Brains] new update
Brains, you should do what Rauk said and shut up! Some of us that are friends of LeRoy's are unable to join in the search, and since we can't rely on any other website because of dicks like you flashing around factless speculations this is the only place that we now of to get factual information. If you want to speculate do it on your on forum, or help to find out that actuall trueth by aiding in the search, and bringing LeRoy home safe to his friends and family!
Re: [ConcernedFriend] new update
In reply to:
because of dicks like you flashing around factless speculations
I'm sorry, exactly where did i speculate anything?
Re: [Brains] new update
Brains wrote:
Rauk wrote:
I said it might be wise...
This story/situation is a very unusual one to say the least so it will NATURALLY lead to conversation/speculation. If you (and i mean everyone involved not you specifically Rauk) want all that to stop, stop updating, feeding information.
You are wrong in speculating that stopping the updates will stop the factless speculation. You said the situation is unusual and will lead to speculations, and then you said what is quoted above. I didn't say that it wasn't going to happen I said just to find your own place to do it becuase you are being a dick doing it here were people who are friends of LeRoys are trying to keep updated on FACTS and not speculations. Because unlike some we would rather have the trueth then the speculations of those who don't know what they are talking about!
Re: [Brains] new update
I am curious as to why everyone keeps assuming that Mr Buckley is some highly trained, intelligent individual, with a vast military background, and extensive survival skills. I can definitely say that the man has a good heart, but are you kidding me? The man is a highly trained paper pusher, with negative survival skills. His major concerns at work are papercuts and weather or not his morning report is sent in on time. The man is not known for his highly thought out calculated risks. Why would he go to an object that all of the locals told him was unwise? Why would he take someone that not have the skill to make the ascent? Why would he want to take his first wingsuit base jump from an object with a semi technical ascent and a more that elementary flight plan? These are not thoughts from someone that has extensive risk management and mitigation skills. Anyone that has really known, jumped with extensively (skydiving and base), and worked with Mr Buckley would expect this kind of decision making and problem solving skills. The bassakward story with tons of holes is Leroys MO. And yes, Leroy is basically from NC. He has lived in NC for over six years. He just recently moved. Oregon may be a place he has lived, but his entire base career has been based out of NC. If you would like to know Leroys true history, ask someone from NC. Super nice guy, but lets be a little more realistic. P.S. Before you start your angry, retaliatory rants, ask about the time he decided it was a good idea to take a plastered skydiver on his first basejump. You might be able to watch the old CNN footage of him in a guywire while Leroy ran and hid.
Re: [ConcernedFriend] new update
You are wrong in speculating that stopping the updates will stop the fact-less speculation. The only fact we really know is that one of ours is in trouble & needs help, and emotions are running high...what kind of trouble or what kind of help really isn't the issue at this point ~ everyone making it home safe is.
We should also keep in mind that these are 'public' forums and all that goes along with that...for better or worse.
Thoughts & prayers go out to both the missing and the searchers.
Re: [ConcernedFriend] new update
In reply to:
Because unlike some we would rather have the trueth then the speculations of those who don't know what they are talking about!
Well it seems like that is what you are getting then, the "trueth" and then the speculations!
I am NOT the one saying anything about PTSD. I am NOT the one saying he was involved in a carjacking, I am NOT the one saying that this is someone who doesn't want to be found. THOSE are speculations I merely said that the situation was unusual, and it (naturally) would lead to conversation/speculation. This is the internet and you can not control what people think and say. But if you continually give them information they will continue to discuss it. If you don't want this and do want information, use a NON PUBLIC forum!!
Re: [bitchicus] new update
bitchicus wrote:
while Leroy ran and hid.
and who is hiding now?
pot, meet kettle.
kettle, meet pot.
yep, you sure seem to know more than many others about the missing jumper. you certainly care. if you did not, why create a persona to post anonymously?
you must feel offended by something.
maybe I'm just tired. it's been a long day. but I feel better thinking about all the people attempting to help someone else. they are investing a lot of energy in helping.
you seem to be more interested in investing energy in spreading hate. so be it. use a new user name to hide. be afraid of people finding out who you are. that is not a particularly endearing or noble character trait.
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thanks to all those that care!
Re: [wwarped] new update
I have been watching this thread for the last couple of evenings, As I have said before thankyou so much to all who have contributed positively with helpful and pertinent information that actually helped in the efforts of all those on the ground. As for some of the rest of you, I will probably never meet you, and from what I can tell from some to the crap that has been speculated here, Im better off that way. A man, one of your own, a friend, a father, a coworker was out enjoying a sport which links you all with a common bond. His friend was with him, Kurt has literally been through hell this last week, I have seen the pain in his eyes, This is not speculation, it is fact!!. He has been out in that unforgiving enviroment more than anyone trying to bring Leroy home. And yet some of you point a finger of blame and suspect on him in a public venue. I dont know how folks like that can sleep with themselves at night, If ever a gene pool needed a good chlorination.......... There will be news forthcoming shortly. , I want to see just what kind of people you really are, If you have a good side now is the time to let it show. Put yourselves into the shoes of Kurt, Leroy's girlfriend,his mother, Lisa, and all the others who know him. If your loved one was missing, or if it was you, would you want people making a public mockery of the suffering with wild speculation and hurtfull comments. I challenge you to heed these words, and do a little sould searching. When I first came to Base Jumper, it was to find information that could help. I was amazed at the positive responses I received, Lately Im a little less than impressed. Its true that the internet is a wide open forum, its a free country, its to bad that some abuse those freedoms with such hurtful and negative speech.
Re: [wwarped] new update
You can call it hate, or whatever you wish. Facts are facts. This username has been active for years. It was just never tranfered to Basejumper. You do know that this site was once on Dropzone.com. There are many active people that know who is posting. Just because you do not, just means that you are not all knowing. There is nothing wrong with that. There are two probabilities at this point. Deceased or hiding. We all hope for the latter. At least we are hope he is among living. We all like him. We here are just aware of more character traits that others.
Re: [bitchicus] new update
Username Online Posts Last Seen leroydb (Invisible) 2546 (Invisible)
He's now invisible.
Re: [jellob] new update
jellob wrote:
Username Online Posts Last Seen
leroydb (Invisible) 2546 (Invisible)
He's now invisible.
I believe that the "invisible" setting does not apply to people one has friended. IOW, Leroy's friends can see the date and time of the last logon, but a random Tom, Dick or Harry cannot.
Someone will be along shortly to correct me if I'm wrong.
In the meantime, a member of this community is in trouble--to be defined, in this instance, as "in need of help from his extended BASE family"--and it sure would be ducky if everyone could remember--whether you like him or not--that he *is* family, not some stranger you read about in the newspaper.
Re: [ghostrider64] new update
Thank you Les and all in Millard County for everything that you have done. Long days and sleepless nights for you all and we truly appreciate your efforts and dedication. Our hearts, thoughts and prayers have always been with you and the hundreds of professionals and volunteers that have assisted in the search for Leroy. It was a pleasure to have met you and I hope we can meet again under better circumstances.
Baz
Re: [mbondvegas] new update
yes a body was found and yes it was leroy...he has left us and will be missed and loved for ever...
Re: [mbondvegas] new update
mbondvegas wrote:
I hear a body was found.
BSBD! A sad day!
yes they found his body
Re: [ldbcu] new update
ldbcu wrote:
mbondvegas wrote:
I hear a body was found.
BSBD! A sad day!
yes they found his body
Ahhhhhhh FUCK!
This has been confirmed through something other than the interweb and tools like dipshitchicus?
Re: [Rauk] new update
oh crap very sad. What was the details? did he jump ? or was it lost and run out of food and water?
Re: new update
The body has been located. I have made positive identification through photos taken at the scene. Recovery won't take place until sometime Friday due to accessibility issues with the helicopter. At which point myself and possibly another jumper will be brought in to inspect the body and gear. Please hold off with the speculations and rumors until after we have had a chance to inspect everything. I have some very knowledgable jumpers assisting me with this. This going to be hard. I'll update when possible.
Re: [stitch] new update
thanks for your diligent effort (to all those who assisted) and bringing the jumper home to his loved ones. fly free
Re: [sinjin] new update
Tonight me and Stitch identified LeRoy based on pictures taken at the scene. This has been a rather hard 9 days. Tomorrow Ill go through the paperwork to let everyone know the jumps he planned for his ash dives. I just cant do it tonight but wanted to read how others were being fucking idiots and " Hoping they threw the book at him" crawl bIack in your hole Bitchicus or whoever you are...We came here to find LeRoy and we did. Planning a memorial for here on sunday, tentative sunset but Ill let you all know if its changed ...
Re: [lisamariewillbe] new update
fly free bruva,i will miss you. Thanks for the effort evryone made here.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] new update
we arrive with nothing we demonstrate who we are
we experience the result
we leave with nothing
BSBD
God bless Leroy
Re: Jumper missing in UT
Damn, this is sad news. Sorry Leroy I didn't make it out to search for you.
Re: Jumper missing in UT
I'm sorry brudda...BSBD Mad respect to everyone who went out west or contributed to the search..I know you put everything you could into it
Re: [Racha_Rodriguez] new update
This is very sad news, LeRoy was a good man and I'm going to miss him. Michael
Re: [lisamariewillbe] new update
lisamariewillbe wrote:
Tonight me and Stitch identified LeRoy based on pictures taken at the scene. This has been a rather hard 9 days. Tomorrow Ill go through the paperwork to let everyone know the jumps he planned for his ash dives. I just cant do it tonight but wanted to read how others were being fucking idiots and " Hoping they threw the book at him" crawl bIack in your hole Bitchicus or whoever you are...We came here to find LeRoy and we did.
Planning a memorial for here on sunday, tentative sunset but Ill let you all know if its changed ...
How did he die?
Re: Jumper missing in UT
Wow... So long my friend... Thanks for those two smoke stack jumps... and it was nice jumping with you again at KL and Go Fast in 07.
RIP bro...
Coco
Re: [lisamariewillbe] new update
Very sad day. Thank you to everyone who searched for Leroy and helped bring him home.
Re: [mfob] Jumper missing in UT
Enjoyed the urban scouting Leroy...see you again for sure....good spirit. Thank you guys for keeping up the search. Respect.
Re: [BASEWife] new update
Terrible, terrible news!!! My deepest condolence to his friends and family:-(
Re: [Lukasz_Se] new update
Leroy, thanks for the truly awesome memories. My most memorable and fun BASE jumps were made possible by you. I will miss our countless phone conversations asking each other for guidance on "how to get this damn elevator going". Thanks for that awesome night you got me my B. You will truly be missed
Re: [SimonBones] new update
Very sorry to hear this. Was still hoping he was alive somewhere hiding. Crazy character with a good heart. He will be missed.
Re: [SimonBones] new update
Rest well Drill, and thank you. Save me a seat and I'll see you later brother.
Stitch and Adam and the rest...YOU are why I BASE jump. We all owe you.
Re: [badenhop] new update
I used to give Leroy a tremendous amount of crap back in the day, but one thing must be said: the guy had a ton of drive and ambition. He was also not afraid of making a fool of himself. Also, he was a very-likeable fellow once you gave him a chance. I hate that this has happened. Hasta la muerte,
Chuck
Re: [SimonBones] new update
I will never forget doing my first E with Leroy. He will forever be a part of my BASE life, I will give him a nod' on those clear night on the top of A's...god bless brother
Re: [SkymonkeyONE] new update
Leroy took me on my first A. Thanks for the good times. Fly free brother.
Re: [SimonBones] new update
This is copy and pasted from my BASE number email B name removed: Jump #38 – Building
XXX building, SC
240ft
December 25th, 2007 – Christmas morning
At 2AM on Christmas morning, Leroy, Dark Naked, and I continued our BASE road trip to get our first B (thanks again Leroy!) That was one of the most fun jumps I remember because we went at this building special ops style. We parked a mile away and maneuvered through the woods to our compound entrance point fully equipped with night vision. Once to the compound fence, we had to jump it and make a mad dash for the shadows behind tall bushes as it was a fairly lit up compound. From shadow to shadow we sneaked towards the building. The building was surrounded with two layers of fence as well. Fortunately the first fence had a fallen over section we hopped and I was quickly able to find a weak point on the inner fence. We crawled into a basement window into the pitch black of a hotel that has stood ‘under construction’ for a long time as a canceled project. With Leroy’s night vision and red lights we located the stairs and started our climb to the roof mostly in the dark.
Once on the roof, we peered over the edge to find a security vehicle circling the building. Somehow we must have been spotted. The security guard showed no interest in coming into the pitch black building after us, so we sat on the rooftop waiting him out. Eventually he drove off, but circled back a few times. Leroy tied off a static line to an eye bolt at the edge off the roof and DN and I got our pilot chutes ready. I PCA’d Dark Naked, counted a few seconds, and jumped with Leroy PCAing me. A few seconds later Leroy was coming in behind me. We all landed in the shadows of a big bushy tree, stuffed our gear in the stash bags and made a wild dash for the compound fence going clear over it.
We rushed through the woods to get back to the car only to find that we came out of the woods a half mile up the road where the car was parked, around the corner from the compound. Three men dressed in black with black bags on their back sprinted full speed down that road that night hoping that the security guard (or anyone else) would not come driving down that road after hearing the three loud sequential bangs from canopies opening. We made it safely back to the car and drove away victorious.
That is what hanging out with Leroy was like, awesome. Best Christmas ever.
Re: [SkymonkeyONE] new update
i've known and jumped with LeRoy since the beginning of his BASE career. there's been a LOT of drama throughout the years. one thing i can tell you is that this boy had a HUGE heart. he would do anything for anyone, including the people that would talk shit about him for the countless idiotic things he did. in fact, he talked often about the effort he made in reconciling with other jumpers who were angry with him... he made it a point to be civil with everyone. his persistence was admirable. he was a silly fucker.
blue skies kid. see ya' on the other side.
Re: [blitzkrieg] new update
I remember taking Leroy along with us on a couple B's before he started jumping. He was pumped. Never really made the rigt decisions about things but what are ya going to do. He had a huge heart and just wanted to have fun. I feel for his wife and child.
See ya Leroy.
BSBD
Re: [SimonBones] new update
Very sad news indeed i was hoping for the best but life is life. Leroy you will be missed. Thanks for the the laughs from the magic tricks at outback a couple weeks ago in twin, also for the crazy static line building jump, and the night when i heard a similar quote
SimonBones wrote:
"how to get this damn elevator going".
Re: [blitzkrieg] new update
^^ That about sums it up to a T. I don't think anyone could have said it better. I had a lot of fun jumping with you three back in the day.
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Damn. . . Wish it coulda been different. RIP Leroy, Blue Skies.
Rest well knowing you have alot of people who gave their all to help find you! Leave no man behind.
Fly free and jump the towers of god!!
And Stitch. . .I don't even know what to say man, you held your composure through some of the toughest shit I could imagine having to endure. . .
Hat's off to you brother and I'm so sorry for your loss.
An to his family I met in Delta. . .My sincerest condolences go out to you and your family. It sounds like Leroy was a good man loved by many.
(but you already knew that). It seems you were right when you said "This isn't my son, he wouldn't do this" and damn I wish you weren't.
And Les. . .thank you for the COUNTLESS hours you spent helping resolve this whole deal. The whole community owes you a huge thanks for all you've done.
BSBD
SirVato
Re: [stitch] Jumper missing in UT
RIP LeRoy. Dude we were supposed to jump that S in southern Oregon! I wish we could have done that. I still have some pictures you wanted from KL. Wish I had sent you those. I will post them somewhere on here this weekend. I will make a jump for you in Malaysia next month. :(. My condolences to his family. Goodbye LeRoy. To all the people who searched for him, thank you, and I am sorry. This has been a very hard month.
Speculators: just stop. And in the future don't start.
Lesson's to be learned
I was on Leroy’s first base jump and I helped to teach him how to be a safe jumper but his judgment has always been poor. People should learn from his mistakes and realize that base is a deadly business and stupid people die doing it. Leroy decided to go to a place that the locals (someone that also taught him from his first jump) told him not to go mainly because it is to hot this time of year and you need a local guide to do it safely. They told him it was not the place to do your first base wing suit because of the high altitude you end up very tired when you get to the exit. If he died with an Orange V1 on, he did his first base jump on a wing suit that he was not familiar with. I know this because a sold it to him a week ago and unless he did 50+ skydives on his trip he had no business doing a wing suit base jump with it. He also went to do his first wing suit base jump not knowing where the right exit points were. So right there people that knew the place and regularly jump it told him that it was a bad idea. Leroy chose to go anyway. He also chose the wrong person to go with. I’m sorry but if one person cannot make it up the mountain then both people turn back. That place is too remote to be hiking around by yourself even if you don’t plan to BASE jump it. He should have never have left the person he was with and he should have not gone to a remote mountain with someone that cannot handle it. People die because of a chain of events if one link breaks you are usually ok but if you break all the links in the chain you will die. Leroy made mistakes and he died because of it. He was never very good at base jumping and it took him time to learn new things. He should have done his first wing suit jump with someone that has done wing suit base before and he should have listened to the people that gave him advice. They were looking out for his safety and he chose not to listen to them. People should learn that when the locals tell you something they are not being mean or trying to protect objects they are trying to protect the stupid. I will honestly miss Leroy and I wish him luck on his new journey but all the smart people that knew him knew that it was a matter of time. Poor Judgment kills!!!! Ryan
Re: [stitch] new update
Stitch, I can not imagine the stress, grief, lack of sleep, exhaustion, and various emotions you have gone through. Thank you for continuing to search for "one of us". I am sad to hear that Leroy is no longer alive. However, dead or alive, I hope people in the base family would keep searching for me until I was found if I were ever in this horrible situation. If I was part of the ground crew (or jumping crew) on any jump, I would do the same for anyone of the base community as well. Stitch, I still have a couple drops of YOUR dried blood on my parachute 
My thoughts are with you and I am so very sad about this loss. I was at the exit point of Tombstone last Thanksgiving 2008, with Leroy and watched him jump some smoke canisters. I think he was a wonderful father and my heart goes out to his little boy. ~Kresta
Re: [travisjones] new update
i kept hoping they would find you alive, languishing in a jail cell...charged with aerial delivery or something equally heinous...so, so, sorry this couldn't be true. bye LeRoy. : (
Re: [Lukasz_Se] new update
So sad to hear this, Leroy was a great guy. My condolences to all affected.
Re: [stitch] new update
Sorry you had to go through this Stitch... And I really appreciate you helping us search on Tuesday. And I'm very sorry to hear the news. My thoughts go out to the friends and family.
Re: [stitch] new update
I'm so sorry to hear this stitch. I've been quietly lurking and praying for a better outcome. Thanks to everyone that helped.
Sorry I couldn't do anything, and sorrier that I never got the chance to meet LeRoy in person.
-Jaye
Re: [ACMESkydiver] new update
Shitty News, Was hoping he was really just that lost in the woods. Condolenses to his family. BSBD
-K
Re: [stitch] new update
thanks to all who helped and worked with the local authorities. many people expressed compassion and concern in helping locate Leroy. some traveled significant distances to help.
maybe this tragedy helped our community earn a bit of respect with some officials. every ounce of goodwill is welcome news.
thanks and respect to everyone on the ground in UT!
Re: [wwarped] new update
Sad news indeed, best wishes and thoughts to LeRoy's friends and family! And a sincere thank you to ALL who put in so much effort on the ground.
LeRoy - who was once known as the Green Lantern at a DZ
Mr. Buckley was the first LeRoy I had ever met who was white 
My 1st A and 1st Bandit jump was supposed to be with LeRoy but
he got called back to work so he sent Blitzkrieg, and one of the
first things I asked him was, is LeRoy black?
LeRoy took me to a few different antennas, gave me my first
and only elevator ride, let me crash at his house in NC, showed
me some the basics of lock picking, and generously gave me a
bayonet that he found in Afghanistan.
We communicated frequently online and by phone. Recently
I looked over his syllabus for a motorcycle safety class he
was teaching on his military base.
He mentioned to me how he had made mistakes in his BASE
career and also how he wanted to make amends with people.
LeRoy had invited me on this trip, even though he had to work
to convince Stitch, who thought I would be a liability since my
exits are hit or miss and I might not remember to bring enough
water & food with me.
I was actually on the phone with LeRoy when he driving behind
Stitch on the way to the site till he lost cell phone coverage.
I never thought it would be the last time we ever spoke.
LeRoy, thank you for your hospitality and friendship.
You will be missed by many in the service & in the sky
To Stitch and all of the other men and women who
worked so hard to find LeRoy, thank you very much!
Re: [Treejumps] Jumper missing in UT
so is this article true?? http://hikerhell.blogspot.com/...g-for-four-days.html
according to the article both Leroy and Kurt jumped. Why was there so much confusion about how they got separated? it seemed from many responses on here that no one knew if a jump was made or not.
Re: [base570] Jumper missing in UT
a better explanation of what happened? http://www.millardccp.com/...llardccp&he=.com
Re: [base570] Jumper missing in UT
this thread is getting quite lengthy, but it contains most public knowledge. the story you linked is several days old and has been mentioned previously. with all the raw nerves over this tragedy, it would be best simply to read the entire thread. the main points not yet mentioned include where they found him and what went wrong. the searchers have been through a lot. give it some time and I'm sure that will be posted as well.
Re: [] Jumper missing in UT
Like Elliot said, I also used to tear into Leroy's posts back in the day. I did find out later that he was a good hearted person who went out of his way to get along with everyone.
Rest in Peace Leroy.
Re: [wwarped] Jumper missing in UT
I am one of Leroys cousins. Even though I know nothing about base jumping I have been following this forum for updates. Thanks to all that helped in finding him to bring him home. Everyones hopes and prayers were that he would be brought back safely but this isn't the case. He was a great cousin, friend, soldier, father and what someday would have been a husband. The type of person as stated in other posts that would help you out in a time of need even if he did not know you. From the way it sounds he made mistakes with in the base jumping world and made some people mad.
If I know my cousin I would probably have to say he admitted his mistakes and tried to mend those broken bridges as it sounds he tried.
About his judgement I know that he would come up with some crazy ideas or thoughts and maybe not think them through but I would think that if he felt his life was endanger he would realize it.
The end of this life is over for him and he has started a new one. Eventually we will all see him again some day and he is still with us in spirit and a part of him does live on in his son.
Next time you jump the air might get calm or maybe a huge gust will come by. It just might be Leroy saying hi to you. Nevertheless, when you go to jump just look up and say hi as he is watching you and does see you.
Last time I saw him was in May when our grandma passed. My last night there he decided he was going to Houston to do a jump off a tower. As I was leaving for the airport the next morning they were just pulling back in. We didn't get to talk much then as I had to get to the airport. Later that day I recieved a txt saying something like this "210 miles in 4.5 hours, 1800 ft, and one sock." I'm sure you can figure out what the one sock meant. It was times like this he would make you laugh. His magic tricks were another time when a few laughs were had also.
I have just gotten word that they have recovered his body and a few other details but I will leave that post to the ones there helping so the story stays straight and accurate.
Thanks again to everyone who helped and had Leroy in their prayers.
Leroy you will never be forgotten and give a salute to all our fallen bros for us.
Tony
Re: [JDS] Jumper missing in UT
My seventh jump was my only PCA, done by Leroy. I was going to do a freefall jump, as he and the other jumper did. I don't know if Leroy saw the fear or uncertainty in my eyes about freefalling from 300', but when he offered to PCA me, I agreed without hesitation. Thanks for the jump. Fly free.
Re: [epibase] Jumper missing in UT
Sorry to all for the loss. Very impressed how a group can rally in a time of need. Stitch, props man!
Re: [blitzkrieg] new update
blitzkrieg wrote:
there's been a LOT of drama throughout the years. one thing i can tell you is that this boy had a HUGE heart. he would do anything for anyone, including the people that would talk shit about him for the countless idiotic things he did. in fact, he talked often about the effort he made in reconciling with other jumpers who were angry with him... he made it a point to be civil with everyone. his persistence was admirable.
he was a silly fucker.
Sounds like me. Fly Free man.
Re: [LimitlessSky] Jumper missing in UT
LimitlessSky wrote:
Next time you jump the air might get calm or maybe a huge gust will come by. It just might be Leroy saying hi to you. Nevertheless, when you go to jump just look up and say hi as he is watching you and does see you.
Tony
One of the best thoughts I've read on this forum.
Re: [Spiderbaby] Jumper missing in UT
Fly Free Leroy...I'll never forget making my first outside climb on that sketchy low tower out in Missouri with you and then gettin my first 180 off of it and just clearing those power lines...definitely a memorable jump. Thanks for fun and I'll see what I can do about hitting those "special" freestanders we talked about before I move on from here...
To everyone involved in the search, thanks for your hard work. It's nice to be in a sport where people truly look out for their own.
Take care,
Brian
Re: Jumper missing in UT
MODERATORS FEEL FREE TO MOVE THIS POST OR ENTIRE THREAD TO THE INCIDENTS FORUM AT YOUR CONVIENCE I just returned from examaning the gear. The conclusion is High speed impact with nothing out. It was instant, he didn't suffer. Both closing loops were broke thru clean. The slider was still up and there was still a partial main stow. Brakes were still set and toggles stowed.
I'll miss ya little brother.
Re: [stitch] Jumper missing in UT
Thanks Sitch, I was on the fence about Bridge Day this year.
But now I'm going. And if for nothing else but to hum one down for Leroy.
Sweet dreams, Brother . . .
NickD
BASE 194
Re: [guppie01] Jumper missing in UT
There really are no words to express my heavy heart for Leroy's family and closest friends. I am sure that they are thankful as we all are for the efforts of so many caring individuals in trying to bring Leroy home safe and sound. I am so sorry. Hope to c u on the flip side Leroy!
Re: [stitch] Jumper missing in UT
Would it be possible for someone to mark the exit point and where he was found on Google Earth?
Re: [Gargoyle] Jumper missing in UT
cya on the other side bro. it was good talking with you. im having a beer for ya tonight. blue ones...
Re: [stitch] Jumper missing in UT
Stitch- we haven't met but Leroy is my cousin. And I just wanted to say a special THANK YOU! to you for all you have done in searching for Leroy and helping our family. You a 1 special guy. And a Thank You to all for your prayers and thoughts in our time of need. Alta
Re: [flyingsquirrel87] Jumper missing in UT
I was just wondering exactly what ash dives are? I know he is to be cremated. Is this where jumps are done with the ashes? If so where are these jumps going to take place? I don't know anything about jumping so I am just wondering.
Also if anyone knows where I can get videos of some of his dives if you could let me know or if possible send them to me I would greatly appreciate it.
Tony
Re: [baseknut] Jumper missing in UT
just returned from a jump. thoughts about Leroy stayed in my head the entire time...
Re: [CSpenceFLY] Jumper missing in UT
IMHO this would not be proper other than via private. Take care,
space
Re: [Racha_Rodriguez] Jumper missing in UT
Where can I find the video? I looked under videos and did a search by his name and got nothing. Thanks
Re: [base283] Jumper missing in UT
I can understand that I guess. I was just curious about the technical nature of where he jumped
Re: [CSpenceFLY] Jumper missing in UT
Good day all, I decided to make one last post here before I move along. I just wanted to say that over the last 10 days I have got to know what I consider to be some of the best men and women I have ever known. The sacrifices that were made by members of your community really touched my heart. As a member of the SAR team we somtimes get calloused and jaded in these matters, this one was different. How I wish it could have ended differently. I may not understand the scientific aspects of Base jumping, but as a light aircraft pilot I do understand the exhilaration of flight. I know also that the hand of god was extended to Leroy during his last short flight, and that Leroy now is in a much better place, I understand that Heaven has incredible cliffs, with nothing but clouds at their bases. If any of you ever get to Delta look me up. To those of you who are now traveling home. God speed and Safe Journey. I have a short poem that as a pilot I have always loved. I would like to post it here, I think it is a good one. Take care all.
Les. 1p144, ghostrider64
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long delirious, burning blue,
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.
Rest in eternal peace Leroy, I will have the pleasure of meeting you some day.
Re: [ghostrider64] Jumper missing in UT
BSBD. Condolances to his friends and family. I once put Leroy off a 2000 foot elevator radio tower in Texas several years ago. He was a cool guy.
Sorry to say this, but it's better to die by a jump than by exposure to the elements.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] new update
Condolences to his family. Fly free, Leroy. There have been far too many fatalities and injuries this year.
Re: [ghostrider64] Jumper missing in UT
Les, Thank you for that, you are one of the most incredible men I have yet met and I am glad there are people like you. You have helped all of us on site more then you will ever give yourself credit for. LeRoy did die in one of the most beautiful places on this earth. The day me and Tiffany went to search through out it all we said multiple times "I see WHY he needed to jump here" ...."I see why he needed this place" and we felt peace. LeRoy was found that night and since then the nightmare has started but for him, he is in peace, wingsuiting his butt off in the confusion mountains. I can not bring myself to say good bye yet, but below are the first phases of his memorial jumps.
Bridge Day - If its only 3 then nothing has to be coordinated, however Im leaving this up for Adam to pretty much plan as he will be more aware of what skill set people have. Right now there are 3 people, Jamie , Adam and Stitch. Stitch is pretty friggen broke cause he has spent all this time and money searching for LeRoy so if someone can let him share their room Id appreciate it.
Raeford Oct 23rd - Time is TBD. Tiffany wants to make her first jump. Im supposed to be on this one but I only have 156 jumps so if me being on it makes it to dangerous with a tandem I understand and am willing to back out so Tiffany can get one skydive in with him.
Anyone know how to get ahold of his powered parachute friends? Id like to get them out to Raeford.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
Im a little confused about Leroys Spot. Can someone clear up what shook down? Did he send an OK message Wednesday Night? What was with the report of him traveling 18 miles in a 24 hour period? Im thinking of getting a Spot and want to understand how it works. I spent 4 hours with Leroy running around the woods in the middle of the night hiding from Johnny Law a few years back. Sorry to hear the bad news.
Re: [SafetyNate] Jumper missing in UT
He did send a OK message from his Spot right before he jumped. The confusion was that the sheriff transposed a few numbers. He sent it from where he probably left the cliff from. Tiffany received it back and it appeared to be in good shape, so I would say get one, it held up.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
I'm glad you found your friend. I'm sorry that you had to go all that way to recover his body. I know the country you've seen on this trip. I'm sorry that you had to see it in this way. I'm sorry for the burden that has been layed upon you but in carrying out his wishes it may be that you will help his family, loved ones, and your self come to grips with and accept his loss. Funerals are not held for the dead, they are for the living so they can find a way to absorb and accept what is to the deceased already old news. Leroy is at peace. Now it is about the rests of you.
I'm sorry I couldn't be more help to you but It was soon clear that first night we spoke that it was already too late. I tried to discurage you in this because I knew what you might find. I'm sorry for that because i see now that this trip might be part of your healing process.
Quesions: Was he wearing his wing suit? Was he far out or to the side of where they think he exited?
Good luck with all of this and keep me posted on the zombi movie. Let me know when it comes out and I'll go and watch it no mater how bad it is.
Lee
Re: [RiggerLee] Jumper missing in UT
Thank you for those words. There have been many moments that are being written down for my own healing and I will post the blog on finding him when its done. As far as the technical things asked, yes he was wearing the orange wingsuit. Which was either borrowed or recently bought.
As far as how far he was from where he jumped I am not sure, I know his helmet and spot were rather far from him, behind him towards the wall. His camera was on when he left and the Sheriff I think already sent it to the lab, I am hoping this will answer the rest of the questions out there.
One thing , I may not be a BASE jumper, but the lesson here is do not jump outside of your limits. Many people warned him not to jump the wingsuit here. It was a new to him suit and yes he may have skydived the suit but he was on what I hear is a rather technical side of the peak. Its a 7 sec wall, I just pray he felt that he was soaring the jump he looked forward to since the day he decided he would travel there. That gives me peace knowing he may have felt he got the suit flying. If thats not the case I dont need to know.
I had to go out there to try to find him, at the mortuary I got to make sure his Mom or Widow did not have to identify his remains and for that I will always know I made the right choice in going out there. One day I will remember him as he was to me, but I will never forget the fact that I did this for him because he would never have wanted them to see him that way.
I cant begin to go through my LeRoy stories for memorial reasons. I do love reading those that are on here though so please keep them coming. Regardless of what people felt he will forever remain the man of integrity and character that I have known all these years and he is and will forever be missed.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
http://www.facebook.com/...145240339&ref=nf Facebook page for Le Roy memories... come post them please
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
God speed L-Roy...I miss break dancing on those cardboard boxes those times at Raeford...you will be missed by so many others. Much love man. See you on the othe side
Re: [RiggerLee] Jumper missing in UT
RiggerLee, I work with the Sheriff's office in Millard County, although I'm not a deputy. I've identified myself to Stitch in person and PM'd wwarped, so they can verify me if needed. I was present for the medical examiner's evaluation of the body.
Leroy was found an estimated 2000 feet from the cliff face. This was a deputy's estimate, but I didn't see the spot where he was found. At any rate, he was far from the cliff, so it seems unlikely that he impacted the wall. He was wearing an orange Phoenix-Fly suit. It was completely shredded on the left side. The right side was reasonably intact.
His orange GPS spot was still strapped to his chest, and was blinking, suggesting that it was functional. The Sheriff took it as evidence. I think he intended to get it analyzed.
As Stitch pointed out, his chute was not deployed prior to impact. All the lines were wrapped several times around his left leg, together as one bundle. We removed his chute, harness and wingsuit without cutting or additional damage, so that it could be examined. After I spoke with Stitch last Friday, he went and examined the equipment.
Hopefully this sheds a bit more light on the situation. I don't have any experience with BASE jumping or skydiving, so some my terminology may be incorrect.
Re: [trazadone] Jumper missing in UT
The Spot was blinking? I have yet to hear this and am curious because Tiff got the spot back after he was brought off the mountain. Could you answer the following.
1. How many lights were blinking?
2. Was there a pattern to the blinking if it was multiple lights?
3. Color of lights?
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
He definitely had a GPS spot on him when I saw him. I removed it and its case and handed it to the deputy. It was the basic model: http://www.amazon.com/...253631537&sr=8-1
As I recall, the second LED from the left was flashing orange, but I can't say that I looked at it for very long.
Re: [trazadone] Jumper missing in UT
I use one of those Spots for work. it has several modes. the sequence of the flashing lights identifies the mode. the unit can send an "I'm OK" signal to a preset e-mail address(es).
the unit can send a distress signal to authorities.
(both the above will include the coordinates.)
it also has a tracking mode where it will send out it's location every 10 minutes (I think). anyone knowing the credentials can then log on to the MySpot website and see where the unit thinks it is. it will even show the location on a map. it's quite handy.
this last mode is what jumpers should use to facilitate searches. I wonder what mode Leroy used. if he was in tracking mode, did it survive impact? if it survived impact, did he share the credentials with anyone to see it transmitted it's location?
I don't mean to second guess Leroy as much as ensure we use these tools to the most benefit. he actually may have set it to tracking mode, but the unit failed.
I'd certainly like to know more, especially since I regularly use one. it would suck if they do not prove that durable.
Re: [trazadone] Jumper missing in UT
"It was completely shredded on the left side. The right side was reasonably intact. ".................. Not sure if anyone can answer this but does this statement seem that a hard pull was encountered? Reaching right, dropping left side? Still confused as to what happened at pull time.
Just asking, I have 0 wingsuit BASE exp.
Re: [dride] Jumper missing in UT
in post #269, it was mentioned he exited a 7 sec wall. think of all the wingsuiters at BD. it is taller, but only a few seem to generate any significant distance. tree landings seem common. (Unclecharlie smoked one a few years ago...)
it may be that he got himself trapped. instead of pulling at a "normal height," he trusted that the wingsuit would take him down the talus. but he failed to get it flying in time. a 7 sec wall does not sound very forgiving...
Re: [wwarped] Jumper missing in UT
"Leroy was found an estimated 2000 feet from the cliff face" He must have got it flying if this is true.
Some of the jumpers at the KL tower were traveling all the way to the grass landing zone. It's only 100 feet higher than NRG, and over a lot of 50 foot trees.
Re: [hookitt] Jumper missing in UT
yes, but the average skill level of jumpers at kl is considerably higher than that of bridgeday jumpers... kl is like bd without the bs.
Re: [hookitt] Jumper missing in UT
granted, 2000 ft sounds mighty impressive. he may have got it flying real well. but without a witness, no one knows how high he was above the ground when he went to deploy.
- did everything go well, and he just got sucked too low (as has happened with others)?
- did he get it flying, just to skim the talus, never high enough to pull?
- are the 7 sec cliff and 2000ft away accurate?
we may never know what happened to Leroy, but we can add a few of these to a list of considerations we all ought to make before jumping.
Re: [avenfoto] Jumper missing in UT
avenfoto wrote:
yes, but the average skill level of jumpers at kl is considerably higher than that of bridgeday jumpers...
kl is like bd without the bs.
If it's not clear, that was my point actually.
Re: [wwarped] Jumper missing in UT
Have you ever thought that he may have impacted shorter than 2000 ft from the cliff and he slid/rolled/ bounced to his final resting place. And leroy was not a good wingsuiter and this was his first wingsuit base jump. My quess is he got it flying but was never high enough to pull. He tried to out fly the talus or fly to the right into the canyon but failed. Ryan
Re: [dride] Jumper missing in UT
The entire side of the wingsuit was shredded. I don't think any kind of hard pull could do that. I'm certain it was from the impact itself. As far as landing and then bouncing/skidding/rolling to reach 2000 feet, the area was very rough and steep. It's unlikely that one would simply skid for another 200-300 feet. Perhaps rolling, but it's very rugged and I don't know that you'd go far.
If possible, I'll see if the deputies have his GPS coordinates.
Re: [hookitt] Jumper missing in UT
Nope. They deputy told me two thousand feet, but that was an estimate, not a measurement.
Re: [trazadone] Jumper missing in UT
Sorry you must have misunderstood me. I realize the shredding of the wingsuit would not happen from just a hard pull. I was asking if he may have hit on the left side (this being the side that was completely destroyed) due to a hard pull from reaching/fighting on the right while trying to get PC out. I know when I've had hard pulls, I really drop the left shoulder. Again, was just trying to figure out what caused a no pull or a nothing out situation. Some are thinking he may have had a ledge to out fly and pulling was never an option. There have been some WS/tracking fatilities of this nature in the past.
Re: [wwarped] Jumper missing in UT
The cliff he exited is seven seconds to impact (about 650'), at best. I think the 2000 foot estimate is inaccurate. It's around 3000 feet to the landing area (the south wash), so for him to have gotten 2000 feet from the wall would indicate a flight that would not have impacted the ledge. If he "skipped" or "tumbled" it is very unlikely (even impossible) he would have gotten that far.
Re: [Rauk] Jumper missing in UT
Maybe the Sheriff was estimating the distance using his penis as a reference. Looks like 6 inches to me....
Re: [trazadone] Jumper missing in UT
do you have any knowledge if the 2000 feet is - straight line from the cliff edge?
- horizontal?
- vertical?
thanks.
Re: [wwarped] Jumper missing in UT
I just got off the phone with the Sheriff's Office. They gave me these coordinates for the location of his body. 39 deg 08.434 North
113 deg 24.652 West
I suspect someone more clever than me can plug this into Google maps or Google Earth. If Leroy sent an "I'm Okay" message from his GPS Spot just before he jumped, someone can probably plot this and get the exact distance and height.
If so, please post a link to the map, as I'm curious to see it. I agree that 2000 feet seems like a long distance. Hopefully, this will clarify things.
Re: [trazadone] Jumper missing in UT
Coordinates don't seem to be accurate. end up quite high up on notch peak about 9200 feet. Zoom in and switch to terrain mode.
http://www.google.com/...IdzXw9-Q&split=0
Possibly the exit point?
Re: [nickfrey] Jumper missing in UT
That's what I got as well. It looks like Google Maps thinks it is in Degrees, minutes, seconds, rather than Decimal degrees. I haven't figured out how to enter them in Decimal degrees.
Re: [trazadone] Jumper missing in UT
http://www.boulter.com/gps/ this website let me plug it in just as you have it in the post before and it comes up with the same result.
39 08.434 - 113 24.652
Re: [trazadone] Jumper missing in UT
trazadone wrote:
39 deg 08.434 North
113 deg 24.652 West
I realize many know how to convert co-ordinates, but if not...
39 degrees
8 minutes
0.434 x 60 = 26.04 seconds
113 deg
24 minutes
0.652 x 60 = 39.12 seconds
Re: [hookitt] Jumper missing in UT
hookitt wrote:
Is 2000 a typo in your previous post?
Here is the post from one of the rescuers: "I can confirm that Leroy was found about 2000' feet from the top of Notch Peak (about half way down the mountain). It appears that he died on impact due to a "chute" malfunction. His body appeared tangled in the "Chute".
My heart felt condolences to all his family and friends. Our country has lost a true servant and hero!"
Post # 18 on this site: http://www.topix.com/...mo/T7KR7H1RFG9JVI5JM.
Take care,
space
Re: [eb66to77] Jumper missing in UT
using google maps/earth for exact position determination is foolish. they are way off most off the time.
use a proper map if you want to be sure.
Re: [mr_prick] Jumper missing in UT
mr_prick wrote:
use a proper map if you want to be sure.
and check what they use as a reference point, i.e., the datum.
evidently, GPS uses WGS 84, while USGS topos use NAD 27.
explained a bit better
Re: [base283] Jumper missing in UT
thanks.
Sad Rescuer wrote:
I can confirm that Leroy was found about 2000' feet from the top of Notch Peak (about half way down the mountain).
this quote implies to me an elevation change of 2000 feet (if he exited at the top).
Re: [wwarped] Jumper missing in UT
I think it's more likely that it implies a line of sight distance rather than an elevation change.
Re: [vid666] Jumper missing in UT
How does he die from impact with nothing out, but have reports of being tangled in his "Chute"? Post's said that his lines were around an ankle in a bundle, was that the bridle or his lines? Anyone know?
Re: [base283] Jumper missing in UT
base283 wrote:
hookitt wrote:
Is 2000 a typo in your previous post?
Here is the post from one of the rescuers: "I can confirm that Leroy was found about 2000' feet from the top of Notch Peak (about half way down the mountain). It appears that he died on impact due to a "chute" malfunction. His body appeared tangled in the "Chute".
My heart felt condolences to all his family and friends. Our country has lost a true servant and hero!"
Post # 18 on this site: http://www.topix.com/...mo/T7KR7H1RFG9JVI5JM.
Take care,
space
Ya uhh Post #18 was also the same person who said that Leroy was a PTSD suffering war-vet Rambo on the run from the very people trying to rescue him and beating little kids in desperate attempts to steal their cars...
In other words, it appears nobody knows wtf they're talking about. This all reminds me of what was being said when Shane went in. Everyone trying play Sherlock when at least Sherlock was at the scene. With all due respect to the rescuers (except for the ones playing NYPD Blue) they really dont know anything about BASE. All good intentions but its not going anywhere.
I think the incident summary Ryan gave is the best...first time base wingsuiter + pretty technical cliff = (well...you do the math)
How far he was from the exit point according to the Sheriff's guestimate and which side of his wingsuit was torn seems fairly inconsequential to me. I mean, people are still arguing what '2000 ft from the cliff' means.
PS Tracy,
Even though I quoted you, this post wasnt directed at you, its my response for everyone
PPS everyone
WTF do I know?
PPPS Leroy:
You were a good fucking dude who loved BASE more than anyone I've met so far. You would just call me out of the blue and talk for an hour about a new antenna you found. I'm still trying to figure wtf you were talking about with that one antenna with four fucking guy wires that intersected or some shit. I dont know, maybe one day I'll find it and give it a huck brudda
BSBD
Re: Jumper missing in UT
Okay, I'll try this one more time. First, I'm not a BASE jumper and don't know anything about it, except what I've read on this site. Second, a deputy on the scene estimated that he was horizontally 2000 feet away from the cliff face. It's not an official measurement, and it's probably not that far. However, he was quite a ways away from the cliff face, so a wall strike seems very unlikely.
Third, he was wearing an orange Phoenix-Fly wingsuit, which was completely shredded on the left side. Also, the left side of his body showed more of the injuries, suggesting that the wingsuit sustained the damage upon impact.
Fourth, I don't know the difference between the lines and a bridle. When his body was brought in, the chute was out of the bag and jumbled up in a big pile at his feet. ALL of the lines, from the chute down to the harness attached to the front of his chest, were all wrapped in one big bundle around his left leg.
Stitch examined the equipment and described what he thought in an earlier post.
That's all we know. That nonsense about him running around assaulting people, having PTSD, etc., was completely ridiculous. He was dead on impact. I spoke with the physician who saw the alleged victim in the ER. The doc said there were many inconsistencies in the story and his injuries didn't fit with what was being said. It sounds like some dork got in a fight, and decided to blame LeRoy.
Re: [mr_prick] Jumper missing in UT
Spot uses NAD83/WGS84 http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2008/08/find-me-spot
Google Earth uses WGS84
http://earth.google.com/userguide/v4/ug_importdata.html
If anything is off, it is the projection of the datum. Feel free to prove me wrong.
I have used thousands of different datum and map combinations. Maps are just as off as anything else.
Like I said already, it is sad to see Leroy go like this. I did know him and he was the clerk in my unit for years in Afghanistan. He was proficient and motivated. Now he is gone. Since he is found, I will leave you crazy BASE jumpers again. Stay safe out there.
Re: [johnfulk] Jumper missing in UT
The closing loops were cut clean through on impact and it (the parachute) wrapped around him as he "tumbled" (or that's the theory, the tumbling part at least). If the parachute was out prior to impact, there would be little to no damage to the closing loops (because there would be no pressure on them). The parachute was forced out due to the sheer force of the impact.
Re: [Rauk] Jumper missing in UT
Based on the description I would agree with this tumbling theory. When you impact the ground with a wingsuit you still have a lot of energy driving you forward. You won't stop where you impact unless there is something in front of you to absorb that energy (rock wall, etc...)
The closing loops commonly break if the container is closed upon impact. As Adam said, if the pins are out of the closing loop on impact, the closing loops will be intact.
So, broken closing loops = closed container impact.
Since the lines are attached to the body, and the canopy will trail/drag behind the body (as the body tumbles) after impact, it is reasonable (and likely) that the lines will wrap around part of the body.
This sounds like it was flown to the ground, with a possible attempt to shield the face just prior to impact. The asymmetrical damage pattern described would make me wonder if he tried to roll or cover up reflexively just before he impacted. Not many people in the world would fly it to the ground if they were sure they were about to impact.
I think if you believe you just might have it, you'll fly it all the way in. If you're sure you're not going to pull it out, then that's different.
Shit... Wish I would have gotten to know him more.
Re: [DexterBase] Jumper missing in UT
Makes you question your own perceptions of being "ready" for something... I know that i felt ready for buildings at about 20 jumps. Since then, i've made 2 B jumps, and on both, encountered problems that i was probably not equipped to handle 40 jumps ago. Just an observation.
(In no way does this post constitute any attempt at conjecture regarding leroy's experience or skill level)
Re: [Rauk] Jumper missing in UT
The same thing did not happen at the royal gorge. The impact with the bridge rail broke DW's C-1/C-2, severed one leg and the harness on that side -- and either pulled or knocked the pilot chute out of the pouch; the parachute deployed normally, then went into a slow turn due to body lean until it landed gently on a large ledge partway down. I watched this deployment from the tracks and it was a normal deployment, not the "dump" deployment that would have happened with a burst container - and the likely horseshoe that would have ensued with a still-in-the-pouch-PC.
44
Re: [Rauk] Jumper missing in UT
Speaking of video... LeRoy never jumped without a camera (or several), especially if it was something new. Does anyone know if there was video, and if so, is his family willing to release it? Not posted, (we don't need it floating on the web) but reviewed and then someone could post a summary. It would answer almost all these questions.
Re: [jumpinDan] Jumper missing in UT
They found his helmet and camera and last I heard were attempting to salvage the tape. Understandably it wasn't in great condition...
Re: [Rauk] Jumper missing in UT
The video is at a lab, I hope they can salvage it. Also about the gear, towards the tail pocket the lines were still rather neat. Stitch was inspecting the gear and showing me and the Sheriff all the indications of him not pulling. I did the identification of the body for the Army and I can confirm that the worst damage was to the left side, and the most damaged was the left side of his face and neck. About how far he was , this of course is just my thoughts but they are based on the pictures the deputy that helped bag him showed me and stitch but it did not seem like he was 2000 ft from the wall. It seemed much closer, but it is on a slope so who knows. The other thing I am really curious about is the SPOT, if it had lights flashing it could be tracked and he was in line of sight, he was not under a tree or trees.
As far as the kid who was assaulted ... he may or may not have but it wasnt LeRoy, I can say though after about 18 hours driving to Utah and 8 hours after the Sheriff told us that he was SURE it was LeRoy and calling off the search I started to believe it and felt incredibly betrayed. In hindsight, the Sheriff convicted LeRoy without a trail and he sentenced me to life. Feeling that sense of betrayal of someone you love and have been friends with for so long makes you realize just how vulnerable one is. I decided I would never feel that again which means from that day on, everyone will always get less of me then they deserve. Had the Sheriff not called off the search there was a good chance he would have been found before me and Tiff arrived. It may have saved me from my breakdown that I had based on the thought that my best friend spent 8 days in the mountains and when he had a chance escaped and assaulted and hijacked a kid to get away from his life he led. I wrote a blog , if your on my facebook you will be able to see it. I wont post the link because I do have mixed feelings about the way things were handled ... once LeRoy was found I will say this, the Sheriff and his men were amazing, sincere , and respectful but at the same time I lost more then anyone will realize based on things the Sheriff believed and told.
The town of Delta is amazing... the SAR people , and the residents of this little slice of heaven went above and beyond to help those searching. At one point, after his body was recovered we even had waitresses at the rancher block us in until we ate. Its such a small town that they knew when and if we ate and I will never forget how helpful the rancher and its employees were. If you guys go there, stay at that hotel and tip big.
I have gotten his closing pins from the rig decontaminated and I sit here , holding them both, and wonder what I do with them. I plan to do SOMETHING with them to give to his mom and widow. Any ideas?
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
In regards to the idea for the closing pins, first ill check with them and make sure they want it. It was brought to my attention that Im not a wuffo and it may be morbid to them. I did ask their permission to take them before cutting them off the gear (and of course cleared by the popos) but never thought that they may not want them considering the condition they were once in.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
Was the bridle that the closing pins got cut off grey or black? Ryan
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
Black means that he was not jumping the wing suit BOC and was using the BOC on his container.
Re: [HN1] Jumper missing in UT
HN1 wrote:
Black means that he was not jumping the wing suit BOC and was using the BOC on his container.
And what does that mean in correlation to the safety of the jump?
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
It could hinder access to deploying the PC. Take care,
space
Re: [wwarped] Jumper missing in UT
In reply to:
we may never know what happened to Leroy,
don't kid yourselves. We know exactly what happened to Leroy. He went somewhere he should not have been and did something he should not have been doing at his current experience level. It appears that he did this against all outside advice and basic common sense.
He died.
It's BASE.
It happens.
No surprise.
don't be stupid.
Re: [cloudtramp] Jumper missing in UT
cloudtramp wrote:
In reply to:
we may never know what happened to Leroy,
don't kid yourselves. We know exactly what happened to Leroy. He went somewhere he should not have been and did something he should not have been doing at his current experience level. It appears that he did this against all outside advice and basic common sense.
He died.
It's BASE.
It happens.
No surprise.
don't be stupid.
regarding the big picture, you are correct.
correct any of the errors you mentioned and the chain is broken. Leroy would be alive. (I'd also throw in that separating from a hiking companion in hostile terrain is another no-no. Running low on water is another. etc. etc.)
but some want to know what happened after he jumped. those details probably will only be known if they can salvage his tape.
Re: [wwarped] Jumper missing in UT
In reply to:
correct any of the errors you mentioned and the chain is broken
I dont agree with this, as far as changing one thing and him being alive. He made many many mistakes. He left his partner, he ignored everyones advice on the wing suit, he used one that he was unfamiliar with , he jumped the wrong wall...etc
Yes this is base, yes this shit happens, yes he was stupid to do the jump but you can still do everything right and die anyways.
I hope the tape is salvageable but even so, the people who need to inspect it may not get to and we may never know what happened after he left that wall.
Re: [wwarped] Jumper missing in UT
In reply to:
some want to know what happened after he jumped
I understand the curiosity to see the video for those who are close to him and want to know exactly what happened in his last moments.
The "cause of death" and the exact mechanics of what brought him to that point is inconsequential to the incident forum. He made poor decisions, got in over his head and it killed him.
THIS is what others here can learn from. His video and whatever happened after he jumped is meaningless. He was dead before he even headed up the mountain.
...
Damn Leroy...wish we could have hooked up for a load to the coastal S as we talked about so many times. Peace Bro
Thanks to all who helped find him!
Re: [cloudtramp] Jumper missing in UT
That's really not true. The chain of events that led to his death began before he even started up the mountian. But the very idea of a chain implies a series of events. In other words breaking any link in that series could have prevented his death. Rarely is there redundence, where if one thing did not kill him something else surely would have. There are still questions and more there are still things to learned. I doubt any one here would like to watch the tape. Personaly I hate that shit it's rather goolish. But some one should.
There are some questions that will never be answerd but if we give up looking for the answers then we give up learning and that means the sport will never be safer then it is today. People will keep dieing in the same old ways. The people that came before you would not settle for that and you shouldn't ether.
Lee
Re: [RiggerLee] Jumper missing in UT
Good evening friends, The military brought LeRoys remains to his loved ones here in Delta today around 15:00 local. Around 16:00 local, they all departed for home. His mother and her friends to Oregon, and Tiff his girlfriend for Missouri. This has been very trying for all involved. One last time I want to thank all of you who helped in the early days of the search, I only wish it could have turned out different. I promised you all I would see this through to the end, and now my part is completed. If any of you ever get out this way, look me up. Im not hard to find. Till then
God Bless and be safe.
Les.
Re: [ghostrider64] Jumper missing in UT
Thanks, you will always be a hero in my book...im liable to break out in song at any moment. See ya within a year... meet at the rancher Im sure
THANK YOU so very much, and the staff at the Rancher. Never forget you guys
WS Hx
Well... how much ws experience did he actually have? I know for a fact he wasn't ready at KL 2007, cause we talked about it, and he told me he wasn't. The last time we talked about it as well... but I have no idea how long ago that last time was.
Anyone? How many ws skydives? WS BASE?
Coco
Re: Blue Skies Leroy...
I spoke to Leroy about a week or two before he left for Utah. I was heading to my buddies funeral at the time and couldn't give him my full attention. We talked about the limited jumping spots around STL, but told him we would jump some of the towers I jump all the time when he got back.
This was only the second time I had talked with Leroy and he was a real zoomer wanting to jump everything around on his days off from the military. I always get a kick out of the guys that are like, come on lets get out at 3am and jump something... and I tell them are you nuts (haha). I gotta get up at 5am for work!
Anyway life goes on and unfortunately friends like Leroy will be missed no matter what the circumstances! :-(
Leroy, someday we will get to jump together and there will be Blue Skies!
Timmm
Re: [basestl] Blue Skies Leroy...
Gotta love facebook... finally caved in and signed up. Instantly I have 7 "friends" who have invited me to add them to my friends list, without even having fb look thru my contacts list yet. One of the instant invites is from leroydb... he's been gone a month now but facebook is sending out a gen-you-wine request in his name. It put a grin on my face anyway... knowing his passion for posting, he's probably pounding away on a keyboard in the sky somewhere.
Re: Jumper missing in UT
So, where exactly was body found? Since at least several people obviously know the exact location, why not post it? (even if it's like "I don't know GPS coords, but here's this spot on Google Maps")
In case someone may wonder, "does it matter?" - it does. It may contain some useful information for living jumpers, such as:
- if the line of flight was clear of obstacles until the impact, what was approximate L/D of that flight? what L/D is required for that line of flight? (could be helpful in understanding one's capabilities on this particular line of flight)
- could the body location indicate that is was not poor flying per se, but an attempt of proximity flying? (could indicate dangerous spots to do proxy)
- could it be that he tried to "hop over" from the gully the exit point is over at to the next gully (in order, for example, to gain more useable altitude)? (could identify a dangerous line of flight where hopping over the ridge is "do it or die")
etc. etc.
Thanks,
Yuri
Re: [yuri_base] Jumper missing in UT
yuri, fuck your math, get out of the bat cave and let the poor guy rest. the information you need is already in this thread. this is not a friendly exit. you have to be on your game to clear the ledge. leroy didn't make it.
the lesson to be learned here... if you are smart enough to call the locals, listen to the locals, jump within your abilities and don't jump alone if you can help it.
RIP Leroy
Re: [cutter29] Jumper missing in UT
Okay, so this isn't an Incident Forum. Sorry that I misunderstood the meaning of gathering information to gain knowledge that may prevent future incidents. This isn't meant to disrespect Leroy but it feels like this Incident Forum more and more is a Memorial Forum.
That means that every time I need/want some information about an incident I'm an arsehole that is disrespectful.
Sorry about this message but we NEED to do something about this.
Re: [str2706] Jumper missing in UT
str2706 wrote:
Sorry about this message but we NEED to do something about this.
What do you want to know? (Have you read the entire thread? It contains numerous facts.)
What would you like done? Honestly?
You responded to cutter, who had responded to yuri. Yuri's post requested more information than is prudent to post. It is far better to contact the locals for site specific information, and then respect them.
Calculating L/D seems of little value for someone with Leroy's wingsuit BASE experience. I doubt he had a clue what he could achieve for L/D.
Re: [str2706] Jumper missing in UT
str2706 wrote:
Sorry about this message but we NEED to do something about this.
EVERYTHING that happened, including where he was found and the condition of his gear is in here. This thread has all the information needed to learn from this. The lesson is dont jump outside your limits, make sure you are at the right wall, and pull. Theres your lesson. Read the thread and let him rest. He fucked up, and the people who can learn a lesson from this probably wont. The same incidents happen over and over in both sports, no one learns shit ...
Re: [cutter29] Jumper missing in UT
no, fuck YOU, not my math 
This is Incidents forum, a special place DESIGNATED to analyze every minute detail of incidents for the benefit of all the jumpers alive today. Every effort to learn - and learning oftentimes envolves more effort than what's obvious on surface - should be welcome here. For trolling, go to Bonfire.
There's no analogs in any sport or industry - air travel, various air sports, even skydiving - where people seems to get panties in a bunch over analyzing incidents so much as in BASE... paradoxically.
The lesson you summed up, "if you are smart enough to call the locals, listen to the locals, jump within your abilities and don't jump alone if you can help it" - is obvious. But obviously, you can't see beyond the obvious. Could WS fatality occur to an experienced WS pilot? We've seen it many times. Could WS fatality occur to a first-time WS BASE pilot? Of course. Would it occur 100% because of inexperience? NO. Could it occur because of reasons NOT related to inexperience? YES. If yes, something can be learned from there. Even if it was 100% caused by inexperience, there STILL could be some things learned besides the obvious.
Go away.
Re: [yuri_base] Jumper missing in UT
READ THE THREAD ... jeesh, stupid fuckers that sit here and bitch cause they want more info should READ first and make sure the answers arent already here. Ill give you the cliff notes since you cant seem to get that the info is here.
He jumped the wrong wall, the wall that he left from is one in which you need uber experience and even those guys dont really wing suit that wall - WHY he jumped that wall? Not sure, ask him... the only thing that is known is that in that area a compass reads wrong due to the iron. Its called confusion mountains for a reason.
He did not pull
When you dont pull your parachute you tend to instead go in.
He impacted left side of his face and body... probably slide a bit...got rolled up in his canopy
10 days later they helicoptered him out of there.
Oh and if that doesnt answer anything ... READ THE THREAD... Im a go pop some medicine cause Im sick , but also sick of people not letting this rest. It may not be a in memory thread but the horse is as dead as he is and the info is already here
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
In reply to:
where he was found and the condition of his gear is in here
The coords posted here point to the top of the mountain. Is it that hard to take a screenshot of Google Maps with a red X marking the location?
Re: [wwarped] Jumper missing in UT
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Yuri's post requested more information than is prudent to post.
Huh? Why would location of the body be secret? You're not saying that location of Notch Peak is secret now, are you? (I jumped it, so it's no secret to me; but it's now as secret as Wikipedia is.)
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Calculating L/D seems of little value for someone with Leroy's wingsuit BASE experience. I doubt he had a clue what he could achieve for L/D.
wwwarped, you seem to have not a slightest idea what you're talking about.
Re: [yuri_base] Jumper missing in UT
yuri_base wrote:
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where he was found and the condition of his gear is in here
The coords posted here point to the top of the mountain. Is it that hard to take a screenshot of Google Maps with a red X marking the location?
Ummm if you know the coordinates why dont you just type them into google earth? From the picture I saw he landed on a rocky ledge with trees on the left and right and his helmet closer to the wall them him.
Re: [yuri_base] Jumper missing in UT
Sorry I only saw from the pictures the Sheriff took, it looks nothing like that in person or from the pics we saw
Re: [yuri_base] Jumper missing in UT
He jumped from the west face and Yuri you are a dumb ass for not being able to tell that from reading all the threads. L/D= Slider Down Jump Fuck You, You Fucking Fuck
Ryan
Re: [HN1] Jumper missing in UT
No, fuck YOU, you fucking fuck. Go to mapper.acme.com and type Notch Peak to prove it to yourself.
Re: [yuri_base] Jumper missing in UT
I don't give a shit what cord. you got on this thread. He jumped from the west face. It is a slider down jump. Figure out the L/D yourself.
Re: [HN1] Jumper missing in UT
Ok, for the slow ones here, i'll chew it slowly... The red "G" marker is automatically placed by mapping software, it was not placed by me to indicate the exit point LeRoy jumped. If by saying slider down you're trying to say that he didn't clear the first ledge, he wouldn't be found 2000ft away. As obviously he did clear the ledge, the notion of "slider down jump" does not apply here.
Re: [yuri_base] Jumper missing in UT
He did NOT clear that ledge Slider was down
Closing loops broken
Personally as I said a few pages ago, from the pictures of where they found him, he did NOT look like he was 2000 ft from the wall. That was several pages back though so you may have missed it since you havent read everything
Re: [yuri_base] Jumper missing in UT
He jumped the west face, impacted at base of main ledge, aproximately 200 feet horizontal from base, slid down talus before coming to a stop. I was there, trust me, please let it go now , the lesson is dont jump where he did, jump from the south wall, lots of people have jumped from there, and I havent had to look for any of them yet, K?
Re: [ghostrider64] Jumper missing in UT
Hey Les, check my facebook , I just posted a video of LeRoys first ashdive. Greenmachine from here did it, he did an amazing job and it is so beautiful. Thanks for posting, sadly I cant seem to not take leave the bait alone.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
already checked it out, fantastic video. Hope your doing better, catch ya later.
Re: [ghostrider64] Jumper missing in UT
Thank you. Case closed. Nowhere the figure 200ft was mentioned before, 2000ft was. Huge difference.
Re: [yuri_base] Jumper missing in UT
I must agree with Cutter here, and then some. for one, let the guy rest, he fucked up pretty hard core in a nasty place. there is no way around that.
no math ever helped a wingsuit pilot prox fly, or a acro pilot tumble a glider. It's a feel, instinct. it's flying.
engineers make terrible pilots. TERRIBLE. I love the engineering side, but it has no place in the air.
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I love the engineering side, but it has no place in the air.
Now there's a nugget!
Re: [Calvin19] Jumper missing in UT
Getting a off-topic, but felt i had to comment:
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engineers make terrible pilots. TERRIBLE. I love the engineering side, but it has no place in the air.
That is not true. Some of the best base pilots in the world have become the best by combining engineering and wingsuit piloting. I assume you have seen Superterminal? VKB is based around the biggest technical university in Norway and their flying style have been developed by experience, engineering, wind tunnels and calculations.
Re: [Calvin19] Jumper missing in UT
Calvin19 wrote:
engineers make terrible pilots. TERRIBLE. I love the engineering side, but it has no place in the air.
not to quibble but military test pilots are almost entirely engineers
Re: Jumper missing in UT
Ergh, another one put down to "the parachute failed". I wish the media would learn the difference between "his parachute did not open in time" and "he didn't open his parachute in time".
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Base jumper's parachute failed, Millard County sheriff says
The Salt Lake Tribune
Updated: 10/29/2009 06:14:47 PM MDT
A base jumper found last month in Millard County died after his parachute did not open in time, the sheriff there said.
LeRoy Buckley, 31, of Fort Leonard Wood, Mo., was missing for nearly 10 days before searchers found his body Sept. 17 in the Notch Peak area of the county. Millard County Sheriff Robert Dekker on Wednesday said Buckley's quick-release parachute did not fully deploy and Buckley fell to his death.
Dekker did not know why the parachute failed.
Nate Carlisle
Source: http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13669325
Re: [Tyrion] Jumper missing in UT
http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20091029/NEWS/910289984/1078&ParentProfile=1055 can someone clicky the link? thanks....
It is possible that both jumpers were lured into attempting a task outside of their skill level due to the personal locator beacons they were carrying? I think so. Not to say the PLB's "made" them start hiking up that mountain, but I'm sure it at least made them more comfortable and perhaps complacent when doing risk assessment.
This article covers an important topic that is important for all PLB owners to read. Similar concept that individuals who have a concealed firearm permit sometimes need reminded that the fact that they carry is not an good excuse to spend unnecessary time in a higher risk environment.
Re: [dhracer33] Jumper missing in UT
I THINK YOU NEED TO GO FUCK YOURSELF !! IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT I'M NOT HARD TO FIND.
Re: [stitch] Jumper missing in UT
You are the one that got leroy killed. He was living when he left the NC crew.
Re: [HN1] Jumper missing in UT
When one idiot opens his mouth the rest fall in line right behind him.
Re: [HN1] Jumper missing in UT
HN1 wrote:
You are the one that got leroy killed. He was living when he left the NC crew.
Don't be a dick. Leroy got himself killed and that sucks but all the responsibility lies with him........
Re: [stitch] Jumper missing in UT
dude its pretty obvious you guys were in over your heads. you couldnt make the hike, leroy couldnt find the exit.
its shitty, and unfortunate, but true.
lesson learned?
CALL THE FUCKING LOCALS
Words spoken in anger and carelessly
“Considering how much we are all given to discuss the characters of others, and discuss them often not in the strictest spirit of charity, it is singular how little we are inclined to think that others can speak ill-naturedly of us, and how angry and hurt we are when proof reaches us that they have done so.” ~ Anthony Trollope "Karma is a bitch" Using words to harm another will return themselves back to you in a non-favorable manner. Best to not discuss others character or make unfair accusations. The day you call a man a thief, two more shall say the same of you.
Leroy journeyed the path he chose of his own free will, accept it, let the man rest in peace and may Stitch find peace to wash away your stinging words.
Re: [avenfoto] Jumper missing in UT
avenfoto wrote:
dude its pretty obvious you guys were in over your heads.
you couldnt make the hike, leroy couldnt find the exit.
its shitty, and unfortunate, but true.
lesson learned?
CALL THE FUCKING LOCALS
Re: Jumper missing in UT
I'm going to trying lay out an explanation as to why this incident played out the way it did. I was warned by a few old school jumpers that sooner or later the internet Base gods would come forth and tell everybody how the situation should have been handled. Although for the majority of these know it alls, the closest they been to a similar situation is when somebody got f'ed up on a jump 500 feet away from their car. I'm going to post the following statements in bold red capital letters in hope that it may sink in. Fat chance. 1. WE BOTH TALKED TO DIFFERENT LOCALS THAT HAD PAST EXPERIENCE WITH THE OBJECT PRIOR TO GOING DOWN THERE. NONE OF THE LOCALS WERE INTERESTED IN GOING DOWN THERE BECAUSE IT WAS LATE SUMMER AND STILL VERY HOT. A FEW, NOT ALL, OF THE LOCALS WERE CONCERNED WITH LEROY MAKING HIS FIRST WS BASE JUMP FROM THE OBJECT. I TOO, WAS CONCERNED. BUT ALL TOO OFTEN IT IS CONSIDERED BAD FORM FOR A PERSON WITH JUST OVER 100 JUMPS AND ZERO WS JUMPS TELLING A PERSON WITH NEARLY 400 JUMPS WHAT HE SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T DO. REMEMBER, BASE IS ALL ABOUT FREEDOM
2. I TOLD THE JUMPER THAT HAS THE MOST JUMPS OFF OF THIS OBJECT, THAT I REALLY WASN'T INTO GOING ON THIS TRIP. I ONLY HAD 3 JUMPS ON A NEW RIG AND DIDN'T FEEL THAT DOING THE 4TH OFF OF THIS OBJECT WAS A BRIGHT IDEA. I AGREED TO GO BECAUSE LEROY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A LOYAL FRIEND AND I THOUGHT THERE WAS STILL A CHANCE I MIGHT BE ABLE TO TALK HIM OUT OF IT. OR AT LEAST STALL THE EFFORT TO THE POINT HE HAD TO RETURN TO WORK OR BE CONSIDERED AWOL.
3. THERE WAS A COMMENT UPTHREAD THAT SET ME OFF. IT WAS PUT FORTH THAT WE THOUGHT WE COULD STEP BEYOND OUR SCOPE OF EXPERIENCE BECAUSE WE WERE CARRYING "PLB'S". WTF ????
THAT'S LIKE SAYING I THOUGHT I COULD FREEFALL A 8 STORY BUILDING SINCE I WAS USING AN "OSP" CANOPY I'VE FILED THOSE COMMENTS AWAY IN MY 10 MOST STUPID POSTS EVER MADE IN THIS FORUM FILE.
4. HOWEVER, I'M OF THE OPINION THAT GOING TO A BACKCOUNTRY OBJECT WITHOUT A PLB AND TRAUMA KIT TO BE A VERY STUPID MOVE. IF SOMEONE ON THE LOAD HAS A WALL-STRIKE AND ENDS UP WITH A HEAD/NECK/BACK INJURY. HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE FEEL THEY ARE QUALIFIED AND HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO MOVE THAT PERSON. MY GUESS IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SLIM AND NONE. KARNOWSKI HAS AN EMT CERTIFICATION, BUT I DOUBT HE CARRIES A BACK-BOARD IN HIS CAR.
5. WAS IT REALLY NESSECARY FOR ME TO ACTIVATE MY PLB ? YES AND NO. I THOUGHT IT OVER FOR THE LAST 4 HOURS I WAS LOOKING FOR LEROY. IN THE END, I FEARED THE WORST, AND DETERMINED THAT NEEDED HELP IMMEDIATELY. THAT THERE WAS A CHANCE HE WAS DOWN SOMEWHERE AND NEEDED MEDICAL ATTENTION.
WHAT I REALLY SHOULD HAVE DONE WAS REFUSE TO FOLLOW HIM UP THAT CANYON THAT NO HUMAN AS FAR AS WE KNOW, HAS EVER USED TO ACCESS THAT OBJECT. IF HE DIDN'T RETURN BY 5:00PM, THEN I COULD HAVE DROVE HIS CAR AROUND TO THE OTHER SIDE TO MY CAR TO SEE IF HE SUCESSFULLY MADE THE JUMP. IF HE WASN'T THERE THEN I COULD TAKE MY CAR AND GO INTO TOWN AND REPORT HIM MISSING. ALTHOUGH THE OUT COME WOULD STILL BE THE SAME.
6. ALTHOUGH AFTER THE FACT THERE WILL ALWAYS BE HINDSIGHT AND OPINIONS ON HOW THINGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED. I STAND BEHIND MY DECISIONS. I DID THE BEST I COULD WITH THE SITUATION DURING THE TIME IT WAS HAPPENING. VERY FEW IN THE COMMUNITY STEPPED UP TO OFFER ANY HELP. INSTEAD THE MAJORITY GOT ON THE INTERNET AND TOLD EVERYBODY HOW THINGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.
Re: [stitch] Jumper missing in UT
Has it occured to you that the only diffrence between hero and zero is the score at the end of the game. If this jump had gone well few if any would say one word of crittasisem about it or how you went about it.
There is not one thing that you did that even comes close to being half as stupid as some of the shit I've done over the years. The only diffrence was the ultamant conclusion of the story and that was probbable just a matter of luck. God know's I've been lucky. I could tell you some epic horific tales that would turn your hair white. Mostly caused by my own stupidity. The only thing that perserved my dignaty was the fact that their was no one else there to watch me flail. And don't let them bullshit you. We've all had moments like that their just not willing to admit to it.
It's easy to sit back and pick apart the decisions that were made after the fact. You'll do enough of that to your self over th years you don't need to lissen to these people. It's very easy for your mind, in posesion of the knowlage that you have now, to look back and rethink the decisions you made. The probblem is that in hind site you see the consoquences of your actions and you froget the cercomstances under which you made those decisions. We can only see behind us. The future is full of blind turns and at the time there was no way for you to know the eventual out come of the choices as you made then. It's a really incideous trap that your mind springs on you. It's the shit nightmares are made of.
Afterwrd you can say that some one made a bad decision but with out the knowlage of what lies behind the doors the truth is it wasn't a bad decision at the time. How can you say that someone made a bad choice between door number one and door number two. That's the suck part of accedent investigations. They occure after the dust has setteled. It makes them seem very judgemental and unfare. And it is if you're going to condem the contestant for choseing the door with a years supply of spam over the door with the new car behind it.
I know this wont make sence to a lot of people but I'm actually trying to help. The bottom line is that eventualy you're going to have to learn to live with this. And you just made a screaming all caps post in blood red so don't even start. I wonder what a shrink say about that? Some one just clamed to be a phyciatrest in another thread. Undoubtedly there are fancy terms for all of these games that your mind plays on you. I'm not sure knowng a name for it helps but understanding these reactions is a good begening to getting past them.
This is your que to make an angry and agressive comment to me don't worry I wont be offended.
Lee
Re: [RiggerLee] Jumper missing in UT
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This is your que to make an angry and agressive comment to me don't worry I wont be offended.
Lee
xoxo stitch
Re: [stitch] Jumper missing in UT
stitch wrote:
3. THERE WAS A COMMENT UPTHREAD THAT SET ME OFF. IT WAS PUT FORTH THAT WE THOUGHT WE COULD STEP BEYOND OUR SCOPE OF EXPERIENCE BECAUSE WE WERE CARRYING "PLB'S". WTF ????
And if you hadn't been carrying PLBs, you can be sure someone would have lambasted you for that too!
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Re: [HN1] Jumper missing in UT
HN1 wrote:
You are the one that got leroy killed. He was living when he left the NC crew.
What a dick you are, LeRoy choose to jump the WRONG wall, after he LEFT Stitch. I was his best friend and even I know this. He made a choice and it was the wrong one, and he did it over and over again.
Re: [HN1] Jumper missing in UT
Yeah, Stitch MADE him put that wingsuit on, didn't he? Fuck off clown shoe.
Re: [Colm] Jumper missing in UT
Colm wrote:
Calvin19 wrote:
engineers make terrible pilots. TERRIBLE. I love the engineering side, but it has no place in the air.
not to quibble but military test pilots are almost entirely engineers
And NASA astronauts too.
Re: Jumper missing in UT
So the video has been fixed, it shows his last jumped. According to them LeRoy seemed very nervous prior to the jump, and he spoke to the camera but right now we do not know his final words. They wouldnt relay that, video ends at impact.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
That HN1 guy is the biggest dick ever. What an asshole. I hate that fucker.
Re: [johnfulk] Jumper missing in UT
2 years ago tomorrow I left to go help search for LeRoy. My trip ended with me identifying his remains and leaving alone. I just re-read all this and I was right, it was not just some nightmare. My life was forever changed the day LeRoy made his choice to jump and there is a part of me that will never forgive how it all played out. Most of all I will never forgive myself for not bringing him home alive like everyone, even the Sheriff and Sars thought we would. I dont believe in God. I dont believe in karma. I do believe I will have another beer.
Re: [lisamariewillbe] Jumper missing in UT
lisamariewillbe wrote:
I will never forgive myself for not bringing him home alive
I knew Leroy well and he was a good friend of mine, but with no disrespect to him, he pushed it, all the time, and did things that were not the brightest in the world, that he didn't have the skills or experience to be doing, and if he did it was still just stupid. You do that long enough in this sport your gonna go in, period. I think I can say, possibly, that most of us from this area were deeply saddened when the incident happened, but it wasn't exactly a surprise. Someone once told me "if his base brains were as big and as good as his heart, he'd still be with us." You shouldn't hold yourself liable in anyway, nor should anyone else. He chose to make that jump, on his own, with a list telling him not to a mile long, and just as he always did, he jumped anyway and it bit him. That's nobodies fault. But yall were crazy close so I'm not saying anything you don't know already. I know it hurts when that time of the year rolls around, but take a deep breath, laugh over the hilarious things that kid did, and have a beer in his memory, I'll do the same over this way. My heart sank a little when I saw this thread pop up again, I miss him as a friend a lot, and I wish he were still here, he was always there for me in times when others weren't. I Miss ya my friend.