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Hi there from Australia.

I was wondering if anyone ever learns to BASE jump without ever jumping from a plane first. Is this reasonable? I'm not lazy or cheap or impatient I just prefer to lead a simple life. This includes minimising my carbon emmissions.

Are there GOOD instructors who will teach people to BASE jump without ever using a plane?

This is a very serious question.

Thanks,
Jerome
jkeightley2000@yahoo.com.au

contact Sangi on this forum, he'll teach you everything you need to know.

I used to think it would be completely stupid to do that. The more time passes, the less I think this.

Thing is, there is nothing like skydiving to find out what kind of a person you are in that sort of environment. Even if you gather the technical knowledge, etc... a BASE jump would be the wrong place to find out that you are the kind of guy who panics or freezes once your feet have left a firm base.

As for carbon emissions, well, you've got a point. Still, we're emitting much less than we used to; engines run more efficiently and progress is being made all the time. it's not like you're opening a choal power station in China or anything. I bought a bike; that's kind of how I justify it to myself... Balance it out yin and yang kind of thing... Ye, I know

Then, the gear you will end up buying. Probably made out of the worst materials ever for that kind of a philosophy. Short of buying an old silk round and making a hemp harness, there is not much you can do about that either.

Try skydiving. Yes you will have to hang out with guys like me who drink beer and have farting competitions in the plane, but beyond that it's nothing too traumatic and you might even enjoy it.

She did http://www.clairhalliday.com/


Not sure, but if you don't die doing it, then I guess yes..

I thought this was another impact reading the subject line!

Not yet, but it has the potential to be one...

Yea, but to my knowledge, she was under the tutelage of an experianced base jumper. She wasn't doing it all alone!

But it shows that with good mentorship these things are completely doable and you don't need to be a skydiving god with 10000 jumps to get into BASE and successfully jump...

Of course Sangi. And everything you need to know about BASE can also be learned from the internet.

How the fuck will anyone be able fly a canopy WELL if they have never been under a tarp ? Even a bag of dogfood did not fair well on a PCA'd jump...

Do you remember your first 10 skydives ? Do you think that someone with no such experience will do any better on a terminal BASE jump ?

Go exchange PMs with your mom Tizzy.

She was HOT and under age too of course she got good mentorship and a good husband! Some guy in Ozzy land trying to find a mentor to work with him is going to be alot harder!!! Good luck man.

How the fuck did she did it?


Sadly yes Men always do it for the pussy..

Your better off posting to www.basejump.org - The Aussie BASE Board.

You are incredible. Sangi, do a fucking BASE jump for fucks sake then you will see how fucking totally retarded some of your posts are - someone fucking hurl this kids carcass off something low and vulgar please!

Just out of interest, have you read the post on the UK board about someone who went about things the wrong way? He recently re-posted to the thread to confirm he had it wrong.

http://www.basejumper.org/...mp;t=769&start=0

Dude, IF you ever make it into BASE, you WILL look back over your posting history, see what a cockpisspartridge you were, and change your user name hoping the past wont come back and haunt you......

http://pag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangi

Rich Stein, BASE 74, made 100 BASE jumps before making a skydive. Not recommended at all though!

 

your post is full of faulty logic

"I used to think it would be completely stupid to do that. The more time passes, the less I think this." just states that he does not think of it of being as stupid as he did prior. It does not mean that he thinks it's NOT stupid, just not AS stupid.

460 posts another person who started with BASE firstand he follows up with Not recommended at all though!

Lastly using examples from Jevto in the mid 80s is not comparing apples to apples. Today the information is at your fingertips, if you have the time to make an ass out of yourself on the basewiner.com forum, you most definitely have the time to read what you need to learn

is the motherly instinct kicking in, so you must protect your son, fellow troll Sangi ?

 

Does that mean you are leaving ?

Skydiving or BASE jumping both involve falling. Some people have the ability to conquer this natural fear by using logic. Trouble is, until you get enough air time in freefall to be airworthy, be it skydiving or BASE jumping, you really don't know how you will handle problems that will arise. Pilot chute snivel, off heading opeining, bad exit, line twists, etc. If you panic, you are much more likely to die on a BASE jump simply due to lack of time as well as the nearby object. In my opinion, anyone who menotrs a non jumper to do any BASE jump, EXCEPT, Static line or DB off a good water bridge, is being irrisponsible. Besides, I guarantee that if you put a non jumper off an object and they screw up and get killed, you are much more likely to be found neligent in a wrongful death law suit than if your student was an experienced skydiver. Richie took a slow measured approach to learn canopy control by using a square like a paraglider and getting it inflated then flying down a hill. There are always exceptions and Richie had the right head for it. My advice is to never get a non jumper into serious BASE jumps. If they want a BASE carnival ride, put them off a 200' bridge over good water with a boat and a life jacket. Very little they can do to screw up a low water bridge.
Rick

Sangi ... get your ass over here and I'll be happy to take you to the Perrine and scare the shit out of you.

Plus I can help you not track away from the cameraman when attempting a head down skydive

Yeah, Richie is a smart man and simply opened really, really low since he was aware that he lacked crucial canopy skills.

I am convinced that if I had more skydiving canopy experience, I would be a much better BASE jumper. In addition, I would not have shattered my femur back in 1997.

How are you planning on getting to and from objects. Austalia is exactly known as the mecca of covient objects.

vid666 your posts immediately following all Sangi posts are fucking awsome----keep them coming! I only look forward to reading his lame responses due to the fact that you will have something to say back.

Love it mate, keep up the good work, someone appreciates your efforts.

BTW, is this board becoming:
www.non-basejumper.com?

wice words Rick. agree totally.

One question for you "i dont wanna skydive but get into base" : whats you real reason for this? are you in a hurry ? are you lazy? out of money ? do you think you are unbreakeable? you cant get hurt? really, how stupid is that...

edit to add: "minimising your carbon emission", in cost of your life? really...you have to be next from god. i think you are going to save us all from global warming now.

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He has a history of posts that do not make sense. Some people get tired.


True, but she is an exception and not the norm. She had a talented mentor and learned quickly. It is difficult enough dealing with first jump skydiving students. Add complex issues that can occur on a BASE jump with no prior skydiving experience. Attempting BASE without skydiving is a usually a bad idea. Try it and see what happens. Use the time in traction to write a book. Might make a good read!


Being closed minded in this sport will burn you. Everyone makes mistakes but learn from them.

Not hatin' - just making an observation.


Edited for spelling

Some people just don't get it.... and I have come to realize that this is generally because some people are just retarded.

I'll give you an example: a guy (not a jumper) posted on here a few months ago looking for jumpers in the my area. So I respond (my mistake) and eventually meet up with him. I had gotten a bad vibe talking to him on the phone but thought I would give him the benefit of the doubt. I meet up with him, realize he is a flake, and leave it at that. (save for the fact that I get very regular phone calls from him and even a couple of creepy voicemails).

His attitude was just like a few of the others that post here and it is always the same nonsense. "I only have a handful of skydives and I want to BASE jump but I don't want to spend the money on skydiving to actually learn important things that might save my life because I am broke [because I spend all of my money on alcohol/drugs/Tijuana donkey shows/etc.].

If that is your approach then I recommend that you just stick with the video games. BASE is not impossible to get into. It just takes a bit of effort, time and money. I didn't know anyone who BASE jumped or even skydived before I decided that was what I wanted to do. But I spent the time researching and learning.

If you need someone to hold your hand the whole way through, then you should probably be looking into a different hobby.

This also might come as a revelation to some people but just because you want to do something, it does not mean that those already involved are obligated to help you. I always think it is funny when people get upset and act like jumpers are assholes for not wanting to spend weeks and months being a mentor to a lazy douchebag.

Thanks everyone for an amazing read when I got up this morning. And thanks for mostly respectful responses. I realise the unusualness of the request and your reasonable responses.

I really liked Rick Harrisons response. I have done a few static line jumps (from a plane) years ago and so am aware of all the things that can and do go wrong). On one jump I forgot to wear my prescription glasses under the goggles - it made for a scary ride until I could see the pointer!

I was thinking that static line jumps from a bridge with ample water was the best way to start. Hey I'm just theorising here anyway. I'm not motivated to actually DO it yet. Besides the chances of a fully qualified instructor happening to be in VERY FLAT Western Australia and willing to give me his time on this is beyond remote.

Again I thank you for your repectful responses and some actually taking me seriously. The time one has under canopy to get acquainted with things is obviously going to be beneficial. And as I recall I was told that I did panic and when calling out "ONE TWO THRE FOUR" they came out something like watoothrfr!

:c)

Jerome from OZ.

For some odd reason, I felt this to be particularly relevant and worth emphasizing; probably due to those who get all self-righteous and pissy on these boards when people don't respond the way they want them to or don't give them the respect they feel they, for some reason, deserve.

I don't care if you fancy yourself a writer, a documentary film maker, an excellent BASE candidate, or have an idea for the greatest BASE invention since the pilot chute.

If you're posting on here, you've still got to "prove" yourself to a bunch of nameless, faceless yahoos on the internet!

No shit! That is the most common thing I have run into over the last 5 years that I have been at it. Everyone wants it now but with no effort on their part.....

is this a troll or are you that stupid that you think you know something when you jump few static lines from the plane?

Often in the US it is not uncommon for a student with ground school and 4 or 5 jumps to be a know it all.

that's like saying, I had sound mentoring and enjoyed my game of Russian Roulette.

it may be possible, but is it safe? is it a sound way to develop skills?

in most sports, people spend a majority of their time doing drills. they don't spend all their time playing their game of choice. they need to develop their individual skills before they can excel.

would you consider crossing the Atlantic in a Viking long boat? or even suggest it? it has been done before!


p.s.
vid666 & TizzyLishNinja - once again, can we please limit hostile comments?

thanks to all who ignored the ugliness and returned to the topic.

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO THE MAYHEM

In what way? Because she was underaged and hot and used that to get a good a mentor?

I'll take ya jumping, just to see how you react off a board.

You're taking things out of context and stirring shit up. Why dude? You've got legitimate questions and curiosities but now you're kinda being a dick. You personally know I could care less about your posts and your presentation so think about it.

Do you know...

What objects did she jump? What is her athletic background? Did she become a skydiver and then learn fly her body and a canopy? Was she then able to jump more technical objects? . You know nothing of how she (or anyone for that matter) progressed therefore your case study is void. By the way, she's a skydiving instructor now. Not bad at all.

As for you, I would take you to the perrine with your extremely limited experience. It wouldn't phase me too much unless you're simply an uncoordinated dumbass. If you prove to be remotely capable and able to follow direction, then you'll survive. If you think you know more than I do and have issues with direction, you'd be on your own.

Would I take you to a building, a cliff or anything at all with a more technical landing zone and the possibility you can hit it? Not a chance. You've got way more to learn before coming close to being competant. You are not more coordinated than the girl in question and likely don't follow direction as well either.

Do I agree with how she learned, not in the least but her progression after the fact is above the average jumper.

Give me a paraglider pilot or a talented rock climber, I'd have better luck with them than the *average* skydiver. After say a 3 second delay, all bets are off. Progressions can vary but if you don't know how to fly a parachute then you're stuck with very easy objects with open fields.

What else? This post could ramble on ....

You got a point there.