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cloudtramp
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Keep up the good work fellas!
The "Organic Act" of August 25, 1916, states that "the Service thus established shall promote and regulate the use of Federal areas known as national parks, monuments and reservations . . . by such means and measures as conform to the fundamental purpose of the said parks, monuments and reservations, which purpose is to conserve the scenery and the natural and historic objects and the wild life therein and to provide for the enjoyment of the same in such manner and by such means as will leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations."



Yosemite's Merced River was designated Wild and Scenic in 1987. The supervising agencies were, by law, required to produce a protective management plan within three years. A plan for the lower river was produced on time by the U.S. Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management. The National Park Service (NPS) has yet to do its part for the 81 miles of the Merced River that flows through Yosemite National Park. While the Yosemite flood of 1997 was a natural process, it caused widespread damage to park infrastructure, including segments of Highway 140. Under the guise of emergency repairs, the NPS decided to widen the canyon road to accommodate larger RVs and commercial buses. The public was horrified by the blasting of 18,000-year-old naturally-formed rock walls, the cutting of oaks, and the filling in of the riparian river bank with rocks and concrete. As a result, in 1999, The Sierra Club and Mariposans for the Environment and Responsible Government (MERG) brought suit against NPS to stop the destruction in the canyon. A portion of the canyon road remains untouched by this road-widening project only because it was stopped by the court. In July 1999, the court found NPS negligent in failing to have a Merced River Comprehensive Management Plan.

http://www.treesfoundation.org/affiliates/specific-38



THOSE DAMN BASE JUMPERS RUINING OUR NATIONAL PARKS!!!

...WAIT A MINUTECrazy


SBCmac
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Re: [cloudtramp] Keep up the good work fellas!
Is that a UFO int he El Cap pic? Cool
DarkSideDan
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Re: [cloudtramp] Keep up the good work fellas!
woooooo take your soap box somewhere else..... rather than bitch about it why dont you actually do something?
TizzyLishNinja
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Re: [DarkSideDan] Keep up the good work fellas!
Isn't he doing something about it by disseminating information? Providing links to organizations?
cloudtramp
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Re: [DarkSideDan] Keep up the good work fellas!
Concealed-Carry Firearms Regulations in the National Park System

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June 2009

The firearms regulation approved by executive order to take effect on Jan. 9, 2009, was halted by the federal court in March. Subsequently, Congress passed legislation on May 23, 2009, that will allow any and all types of firearms per state law in all units of the National Park System. However, the law, passed as an amendment to the Credit Card Holders Bill of Rights Act, does not take effect until Feb. 23, 2010. Once in effect, state law will dictate the legality of all firearms. Until then, it is not legal for anyone to carry a loaded and concealed firearm on national parks lands. That will change next year unless some other law is passed or court action takes place.

http://www.anpr.org/legal.htm
UberChris
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Re: [cloudtramp] Keep up the good work fellas!
cloudtramp wrote:
Concealed-Carry Firearms Regulations in the National Park System

Update
June 2009

The firearms regulation approved by executive order to take effect on Jan. 9, 2009, was halted by the federal court in March. Subsequently, Congress passed legislation on May 23, 2009, that will allow any and all types of firearms per state law in all units of the National Park System. However, the law, passed as an amendment to the Credit Card Holders Bill of Rights Act, does not take effect until Feb. 23, 2010. Once in effect, state law will dictate the legality of all firearms. Until then, it is not legal for anyone to carry a loaded and concealed firearm on national parks lands. That will change next year unless some other law is passed or court action takes place.
[image]http://phantomc0d3r.com/images/RedneckSpecialForcesTeam.jpg[/image]
http://www.anpr.org/legal.htm

fuck. i wanted to take my 3000 dollar airsoft minigun to take out curious blackbears and small children.
wwarped
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Re: [TizzyLishNinja] Keep up the good work fellas!
TizzyLishNinja wrote:
Isn't he doing something about it by disseminating information? Providing links to organizations?

as he used the term "soapbox," I assume that he is commenting on the editorial nature of the post. facts can be lost or ignored when passions get inflamed.

now that cloudtramp has included the gun issue, I tend to agree that this is NOT BASE related. it is better suited to "The Hangout."
TizzyLishNinja
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Re: [wwarped] Keep up the good work fellas!
Whatever.
DarkSideDan
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Re: [cloudtramp] Keep up the good work fellas!
cloudtramp wrote:
Concealed-Carry Firearms Regulations in the National Park System

Update
June 2009

The firearms regulation approved by executive order to take effect on Jan. 9, 2009, was halted by the federal court in March. Subsequently, Congress passed legislation on May 23, 2009, that will allow any and all types of firearms per state law in all units of the National Park System. However, the law, passed as an amendment to the Credit Card Holders Bill of Rights Act, does not take effect until Feb. 23, 2010. Once in effect, state law will dictate the legality of all firearms. Until then, it is not legal for anyone to carry a loaded and concealed firearm on national parks lands. That will change next year unless some other law is passed or court action takes place.
[image]http://phantomc0d3r.com/images/RedneckSpecialForcesTeam.jpg[/image]
http://www.anpr.org/legal.htm

again i fail to see a point behind this? you dont even go as far to say which side of the argument your on? im glad you can google "NPS dirt" and then use the tricky copy and paste function congrats.....
cloudtramp
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Re: [wwarped] Keep up the good work fellas!
In reply to:
I tend to agree that this is NOT BASE related

I disagree. This has everything to do with BASE. Beginning next year people will be allowed to carry loaded and concealed firearms into national parks.
Base jumper's will however still be harassed, searched, persecuted, prosecuted, fined, and possibly even violated with rubber gloves.
But people with the IQ's of neanderthals will be allowed to go hiking carrying loaded weapons in crowded (Have you ever been to Yosemite City? ...I mean village... uhhh...whoops... I meant to say valley!) National Parks.
But the BASE Jumpers... They are the real problem. Posing a danger to park goers, rescuers, etc.

They will keep us down as long as we let them. We need to stop hiding in the shadows. Be Free! Do it now.








TizzyLishNinja
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Re: [DarkSideDan] Keep up the good work fellas!
DarkSideDan wrote:
again i fail to see a point behind this? you dont even go as far to say which side of the argument your on? im glad you can google "NPS dirt" and then use the tricky copy and paste function congrats.....

"NPS dirt"? both statements posted are "fact" are they not?

"Copy and paste function statements" are the equivalent to "teleprompter president".

You criticize his posts and yet you don't rebuke the statements as false, what's your point? Are you personally invested in the NPS? If so, I would think you would be concerned that people will be armed wandering about the Parks. Someone could decide to use Park rangers for target practice.
SBCDave
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Re: [TizzyLishNinja] Keep up the good work fellas!
Park rangers might even start shooting base jumpers, claiming that it looked like they were pulling a weapon.
TizzyLishNinja
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Re: [SBCDave] Keep up the good work fellas!
And isn't that so wrong on so many levels...not only do you lose your gear, but you're nursing a gunshot wound for the next several months.

Good point Dave.
wwarped
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Re: [cloudtramp] Keep up the good work fellas!
cloudtramp wrote:
Beginning next year people will be allowed to carry loaded and concealed firearms into national parks.

so?
do you believe it hasn't been happening for years?
do you know how many gun arrests have been made in the recent past, or how they were treated?

I see little connection to BASE. I see a powerful political lobby working it's mojo. BASE currently lacks a political lobby, let alone a powerful one. many here believe BASE holds the moral high ground on the NPS, but not the law. Unsure
blitzkrieg
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Re: [wwarped] Keep up the good work fellas!
personally i've been waiting for the gun laws to change for some time. if i have the legal right to carry a concealed firearm anywhere in the US, why should i suddenly not be able to carry one when on NPS land?

here's some more "propaganda" for the central north americans that will most likely continue to do nothing. Wink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA
DarkSideDan
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Re: [TizzyLishNinja] Keep up the good work fellas!
TizzyLishNinja wrote:
Someone could decide to use Park rangers for target practice.

people already have used park rangers for target practice. do you know that NPS law enforcement rangers have the highest rate of assaults on officers of any federal law enforcement agency? do you know that many "dangerous cities'" police officers wouldnt work NPS law enforcement because of how dangerous it is? but then again all you know is that park rangers just want to bust base jumper and shoot them now.

you all bitch and whine about how bad the park service is and where has it gotten you? no where absolutely fucking no where. maybe it is time to change tactics? maybe instead of sitting at home on your computer posting shit about a government agency that couldnt give two fucks about what you think you could god forbid go out and do something.

but let me save you the time of a response.... "i just have a vested interest in the NPS which is why all i do is defend them." Ill have you know, Im actually am working with the park service in an attempt to allow jumping. See people like to talk to you and actually listen to what you have to say when you dont start the conversation with how bad that person isWink

Why dont you and cloudturkey go off and write stories together you guys could post a book! call it "one day i might maybe make a base jump but till then im going to post drivel on their forums about a topic i know nothing on" let sangi be your editor

oh and as for guns in the park it is just an excuse for hunters who get caught before they have a chance to poach an animal. "No sir i wasnt going to shoot that trophey buck see ive got me a concealed carry permit"
"oh ok mister redneck ill just ignore the fact you have the gun up pointed at teh animal sighted in about to shoot it because you just 'defending' yourself"
TizzyLishNinja
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Re: [DarkSideDan] Keep up the good work fellas!
Are you working with the park service for change with an organization or do you work for the park service, big difference?
DarkSideDan
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Re: [TizzyLishNinja] Keep up the good work fellas!
niether
TizzyLishNinja
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Re: [DarkSideDan] Keep up the good work fellas!
You should take your own advice about the way to talk to people. When you aren't chasing Yogi for the picnic basket you should stop and look in the mirror.

Perhaps you aren't the best person to represent BASE jumpers. Just something to consider, you could be doing more harm then good if you are illustrating this charming personality in person.

Since you work for neither, perhaps you would like to enlighten everyone "how" you are accomplishing all these amazing things within the system?

Maybe others would like to join the cause, if you are succeeding where others failed. Why keep it such a secret? There is strength in numbers and resources.
cloudtramp
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Re: [DarkSideDan] Keep up the good work fellas!
15. May the public participate in policy-making? The travel and tourism industry, recreational equipment manufacturers, environmental organizations, the visiting public and many others have a strong interest in the way the national parks are managed. They also have a strongly held belief in their right to participate in the decision-making process. This belief is supported by the Administrative Procedure Act, which requires agencies to give the public an opportunity to comment on major policy decisions that will affect them. Prudence and Departmental policy dictate that the NPS seek and consider public comment through Federal Register notices and other selective means as we adopt our Director’s Orders and update NPS Management Policies, just as we routinely do with NPS regulations. However, we do not generally seek public comment on operational matters that are likely to be of no, or limited, interest to the public.
-BASE Jumping for example ???

The above was pulled from: http://www.nps.gov/...thingstoknow.html#14

Documents pertaining to BASE Jumping:http://home.nps.gov/...npspolicy/search.cfm

Speaking of Drivel:

http://planning.nps.gov/

Why is it such a challenge for citizens to get involved? DarkSideDan maybe you can help us all understand how to get involved with park planning processes instead of instigating pointless arguments. I have nothing against rangers (except when they are chasing me) I have nothing against guns (or rednecks for that matter). I just don't understand why Guns are OK and Parachutes are not.

The legislative process is in place to keep the lowly citizens running around in circles while "The Federal Govt" keeps on biting away at our individual rights. Would Ghandi have succeeded in ousting British tyranny in India by following the rules and processes set forth by the tyrants themselves? I think not.

Sometimes you just have to point out the obvious and get others passionately involved. The NPS is not perfect. BASE Jumpers are not perfect. but... The NPS has taken possession of just about every large jumpable wall within our countries borders and there are a growing number of jumpers in this country and only very limited places to practice our activity in peace and without persecution. Is it not time to stand up and fight?

cloudtramp
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Re: [wwarped] Keep up the good work fellas!
In reply to:

cloudtramp wrote:
Beginning next year people will be allowed to carry loaded and concealed firearms into national parks.

so?
do you believe it hasn't been happening for years?
do you know how many gun arrests have been made in the recent past, or how they were treated?

I see little connection to BASE. I see a powerful political lobby working it's mojo. BASE currently lacks a political lobby, let alone a powerful one. many here believe BASE holds the moral high ground on the NPS, but not the law. Unsure

WWarped- You have chosen a picture of hardworking undeterred Optimists as your avator yet you are a driveling, censoring, pessimist.

Disappointing to say the least.
blitzkrieg
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Re: [DarkSideDan] Keep up the good work fellas!
DarkSideDan wrote:
oh and as for guns in the park it is just an excuse for hunters who get caught before they have a chance to poach an animal.

while that may be true... that is NOT the only reason.

i am not a hunter and i have every legal and constitutional right to carry and protect myself.

furthermore, if park rangers are at such a high risk, would you think law abiding patrons are not also at risk?
cloudtramp
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Re: [cloudtramp] Keep up the good work fellas!
 

Did anybody else notice that this is thread #666 Shocked
TizzyLishNinja
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Re: [DarkSideDan] Keep up the good work fellas!
DarkSideDan wrote:

people already have used park rangers for target practice. do you know that NPS law enforcement rangers have the highest rate of assaults on officers of any federal law enforcement agency? do you know that many "dangerous cities'" police officers wouldnt work NPS law enforcement because of how dangerous it is? but then again all you know is that park rangers just want to bust base jumper and shoot them now.


According to U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics' National Census of Fatal Occupation Injuries report for 2008, Park Rangers aren't mentioned in the report. Unfortunately, Police Sheriff's & Patrol Officers are and they come in at number 10.
base386
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Re: [TizzyLishNinja] Keep up the good work fellas!
touche'
DarkSideDan
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Re: [TizzyLishNinja] Keep up the good work fellas!
TizzyLishNinja wrote:
You should take your own advice about the way to talk to people. When you aren't chasing Yogi for the picnic basket you should stop and look in the mirror.

Perhaps you aren't the best person to represent BASE jumpers. Just something to consider, you could be doing more harm then good if you are illustrating this charming personality in person.

Since you work for neither, perhaps you would like to enlighten everyone "how" you are accomplishing all these amazing things within the system?

Maybe others would like to join the cause, if you are succeeding where others failed. Why keep it such a secret? There is strength in numbers and resources.

1) till you meet me in person... a day i dont foresee happening any time soon dont comment on my personality

2)I choose to work alone and with a few select individuals... you bring up the fatal flaw of the base jumping community... every wants to be involved in every decision and that is just not practical. Maybe it is time to grow up and put some faith in other people and just support them.

As to your statistics from the bureau of labor park rangers would fit under the category "patrol officers" Wink
freeflychris
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Re: [base386] Keep up the good work fellas!
Why do we let non jumps post in the fourms? Just ban them. They have nothing to contribute to us. All they do is post nonsence and act like they are jumper's and act like they know what they are talking about. I swear I would rather read BASE 75 posts all day then to read Tizzy's post. [Personal Attack] tizzy your so good at finding random facts on useless shit why dont you dig up the methods to comment on NPS policy when it is the public comment phase of review? [Personal Attack]



yup, I edited out 2 sentences of direct personal attack -- wwarped
Sangi
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Re: [freeflychris] Keep up the good work fellas!
LOL
pocbase
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Re: [freeflychris] Keep up the good work fellas!
I suppose insult is one way of resolving an issue... if you're a moron.
GreenMachine
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Side Note
blitzkrieg wrote:
park rangers are at such a high risk

A friend of mine went through a law enforcement
academy and then got a position as a cop with the
Fish & Wildlife in a rural part of Key West.

He is big, strong, in great shape, has been training
martial arts for 20 years, and armed with both a
pistol and shotgun but quit the gig after realizing
how sketchy it was!!

Think about this, you roll up on 2 rednecks with guns
who have already committed a felony by killing some
endangered species. "Back Up" is over 30 minutes
away and there are no witnesses around...
DarkSideDan
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GreenMachine wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
park rangers are at such a high risk

A friend of mine went through a law enforcement
academy and then got a position as a cop with the
Fish & Wildlife in a rural part of Key West.

He is big, strong, in great shape, has been training
martial arts for 20 years, and armed with both a
pistol and shotgun but quit the gig after realizing
how sketchy it was!!

Think about this, you roll up on 2 rednecks with guns
who have already committed a felony by killing some
endangered species. "Back Up" is over 30 minutes
away and there are no witnesses around...

not to mention radio coverage is hit or miss.... no cell coverage.... and 30 minutes? if your lucky, try 45-2hours+
TizzyLishNinja
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Do only "rednecks" commit crimes and hang out at National Parks? I suppose all "yankees" are fine upstanding citizens, like the guys on Wall Street.

What's the deal with picking on the good ole' boys? Wait don't bother answering, I really don't want to know.

If Rangers can't handle the job, maybe they need to think about switching careers. Perhaps something were "do you want fries with that?" is a commonly used phrase?

Comparing the danger and varying crimes that say a Detroit city patrol officer faces with a park ranger seems like comparing the dangers a yacht of weekend fisherman off the coast of Miami to the guys on fishing for King Crab.

But whatever, one minute you guys are "f*ck the NPS and Park Rangers" and the next you are making their case for not allowing BASE jumping.

Why add to the parks problems and already deadly risks that rangers face by adding BASE jumping to their worries?

@Green: Why did you edit Blitzkreg's statement in the quote?


@Chris K.:
According to the 2000 United States Census, D.Grove has one of the nation's most educated citizenry, with 36.4% of individuals over the age of 25 holding bachelor's or advanced degrees; the national average is 24.4%


It's becoming abundantly clear that you are not part of that statistic. And next time I offer assistance to you with anything, will be never. I am sorry that you have such a miserable life that you feel you must attack others in order to make yourself feel better. I guess if attacking me will keep you from kicking puppies, it's a sacrifice I am willing to make.
TizzyLishNinja
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Re: [DarkSideDan] Keep up the good work fellas!
Dan=Hypocrite.

Not a commentary on your personality, but rather on your character.

Darkside? are all park rangers on the darkside? That's funny, because Green wrote an article on how Base jumpers are on the Darkside. It's all getting so confusing to know whose real and whose a hypocrite.
DarkSideDan
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correct me if im wrong but i believe it was you that said strength in numbers? so detriot city police run two officers to a patrol car and usually have multiple other officers on within a 2-5 minute drive time (read two other cars with two officers a piece backing them up in usually less than 3 or 4 minutes) also, the suspect will usually run but not fight, they usually start off with multiple suspects but since the suspects usually run they focus in the 'worst'

vs.

Solo officer in a patrol vehicle back up between 20 minutes and 6 hours away (and yes I do know a park ranger who's closest law enforcement of any type state, county, ect is a 6 hour drive away) usually dealing with multiple suspects, poor radio communication, usually the suspects are armed (who doesnt take at least a pocket knife camping?), the suspects will usually fight versus run, a majority of people do not even know that park rangers are in fact police officers, the list goes on... why do they do it? dunno ask them... probably teh same reason all police officers go to work in the morning



oh and how am i a hypocrite?
TizzyLishNinja
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Re: [DarkSideDan] Side Note
How does any of this babble you have written have to do with the fact that the NPS will not allow B.A.S.E jumping, but will allow guns and destroys the land itself with it's development projects how?

It doesn't, but you make a great case for why B.A.S.E jumping shouldn't be allowed. Perhaps that's what you meant when you said you were secretly working with the NPS, maybe you are putting the nail in the B.A.S.E jumping coffin.

Sorry Cloudtramp. Dan has made this about the safety of the rangers, so as it turned out this isn't about B.A.S.E being legalized.

Damn all you B.A.S.E jumpers adding to the worries and concerns of the rangers. I now see how they already have their hands full, fending for their lives against rednecks with guns and knives, being alone and without backup, being confronted by suspects and no doubt disrespected, probably have to deal with silly naturalist who protest roads being paved into parks, and no donut shops to be found for miles.

If only I jumped or was a ranger, I would have seen the light earlier.

Thanks Dan. I am converted. I am signing on right now to send a letter to the director of NPS voicing my support against "parachuting" in NP's.
freeflychris
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Re: [TizzyLishNinja] Side Note
Tizzy why are you here? This forum this for jumper's your not a jumper so why. Simple question.
TizzyLishNinja
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Re: [freeflychris] Side Note
And next time I offer assistance to you with anything, will be never. I am sorry that you have such a miserable life that you feel you must attack others in order to make yourself feel better. I guess if attacking me will keep you from kicking puppies, it's a sacrifice I am willing to make.

Addendum: offer assistance or answer you
SBCDave
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TizzyLishNinja
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Why do you feel you need to speak for Dan or Chris? They do a fine job of it themselves.

Psychology 101:Dave you can only become angry if you allow yourself to do so, saying that I make you angry, gives me power over you.

Ask yourself why are you so angry? Is it because you can't control what I think or say? Is it because I don't fit into a convenient label, where I can be categorized and understood? Is it because I don't hold the same beliefs, opinions or is it because my experiences differ from yours?

These are things you have to answer for yourself, I can't help you with them grasshopper.

Maybe you would like to chime in on the thought that now with all these new laws being passed through congress like a hurricane that some ground might be made to change the laws regarding parachuting in NP's?
freeflychris
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You are a fucking nut bag you crazy bitch. I hope I never meet you in person. I live a beautiful life and have many friends that would do anything for me. what do you have? I guess nothing thats why you post here all day long. your trying to be a part of something that you will never be a part of. so GO AWAY.
DarkSideDan
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SBCDave wrote:
Tizzy, you rant, and then when someone comes back with points and questions, you call it babble and rant about something else? How is darksidedan a hypocrite again?
TizzyLishNinja wrote:
Why do you feel you need to speak for Dan or Chris? They do a fine job of it themselves.

Psychology 101:Dave you can only become angry if you allow yourself to do so, saying that I make you angry, gives me power over you.

Ask yourself why are you so angry? Is it because you can't control what I think or say? Is it because I don't fit into a convenient label, where I can be categorized and understood? Is it because I don't hold the same beliefs, opinions or is it because my experiences differ from yours?

These are things you have to answer for yourself, I can't help you with them.

rant: check

valid points and questions: check

Tizzy babble about something else: check

SBCdave has discovered something here....
TizzyLishNinja
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Re: [freeflychris] Side Note
and Jesus loves you too.
freeflychris
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Jesus loves everyone.
vid666
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Re: [SBCDave] Side Note
SBCDave wrote:
Anyone else get the feeling Tizzy is working on a thesis and we are her experiment. I'm thinking either that, bipolar, or just a grown up version of the little kid that's parents abused them so they liked making other little kids mad.

Tizzy, you rant, and then when someone comes back with points and questions, you call it babble and rant about something else? How is darksidedan a hypocrite again?

I suspect either a thesis, or too much time in front of a computer, and no time outside.

Of course, it could be as simple as her being Sangi's mother... Fits the pattern.
TizzyLishNinja
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Re: [freeflychris], [DarkSideDan], and [Dave] Note
Do you know what's really ironic? Let me tell you boys.

I don't jump. I don't have to make connections to other jumpers in order to secure exit points. I write articles and conduct interviews with jumpers. I have made some great connections and friends. I only post on topics that I have an understanding and have an opinion to offer 99.0 percent of the time in the Hangout. (non-base related issues as deemed by the administrators) Which is all fine and good with the jumpers that I associate with, because I offer these same opinions to them in private. It's part of having a diversified group of friends and associates. Also helpful in networking and research.

You boys all jump. Your friends/fellow jumpers and others you haven't met read this forum. You consistently attack me when you have nothing more to contribute to the topic at hand. You can claim your friends know the "real you", but what about perspective new jump friends? Or what about the image it presents on a public forum? You have nothing intelligent to say about the topic, so you turn it into name calling?

Grow up already. You can comment all you want, I won't respond. Cloudtramp deserves respect for his initial effort.

And by no means do I think the moderators/administrators should edit these posts, I think the name calling shows what kind of men you are and should be left for all to read. As you might not have guessed, doesn't bother me one bit.

In fact, one of the guys sent me Chris's rant post that was edited. I have already printed it and posted it on my office bulletin board. Better then any of those corny motivational posters.

I leave you know to continue to stomp your feet and piss & moan. Enjoy!
DarkSideDan
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Re: [TizzyLishNinja] , [DarkSideDan], and [Dave] Note
so tizzy, when are you going to interview me?
Para_Frog
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Re: [freeflychris] Side Note
Stop feeding the troll

Or just go to BLiNC where Trolls are an unprotected species.
wwarped
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Re: [Para_Frog] Side Note
Para_Frog wrote:
Stop feeding the troll

this is exactly why we ask for civil discourse. (it's in The Rules.) I've read all sorts of heated, inflamed comments. none seem very productive. most of the accusations would effectively kill any face-to-face gathering. why not act on-line with the same restraint that you might use at a dinner party?

typically, as the emotions rise, they limit rational thought and reinforce defenses.

I saw plenty of questions that appeared to go unanswered. they came from both sides of the confrontation.

as responding may NOT do anything positive, consider listening to Harvey and do NOT respond. (that goes to everyone)

that said, does anyone want to go back to the original topic?
GreenMachine
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More Smart Thought in a sea of well....
TizzyLishNinja wrote:
Do only "rednecks" commit crimes

Umm, nooo, if they did then we would only need
cops south of the mason dixen line... my story
was about a real guy who actually did the job.

I am a yankee!! Anyone who has met me in
person knows I'm not a southerner in any way!

Good and bad people commit crimes all over.

A buddy of mine from college is a cop, he worked
in South GA as a patrol cop, I rode along for 6 hours
and saw some sad behavior, but HIS back up was
close not being out in the middle nowhere which
makes it much easier to bury the body.
leroydb
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Re: [TizzyLishNinja] , [DarkSideDan], and [Dave] Note
TizzyLishNinja wrote:
...You consistently attack me when you have nothing more to contribute to the topic at hand

you post a thread or reply to a post...

then someone replies...

you get upset...

then you tell them to grow up...
leroydb
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wwarped wrote:
Para_Frog wrote:
Stop feeding the troll

this is exactly why we ask for civil discourse. (it's in The Rules.) I've read all sorts of heated, inflamed comments. none seem very productive. most of the accusations would effectively kill any face-to-face gathering. why not act on-line with the same restraint that you might use at a dinner party?

typically, as the emotions rise, they limit rational thought and reinforce defenses.

I saw plenty of questions that appeared to go unanswered. they came from both sides of the confrontation.

as responding may NOT do anything positive, consider listening to Harvey and do NOT respond. (that goes to everyone)

that said, does anyone want to go back to the original topic?

I believe I said it also (maybe another thread)... if you don't like her threads and posts, don't respond!
leroydb
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freeflychris wrote:
Tizzy why are you here? This forum this for jumper's your not a jumper so why. Simple question.

she is writing a sexy novel book and we are her material...

share this and post it with friends...

or post a lot more and don't act like yourself...
cloudtramp
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WOW... Unsure

Hey the NPS discriminates against us, let's bicker amongst each other and really show them how stupid and immature we are. Your jumping all over each-other to join a shit tossing contest.

I just want to point out that this thread never had anything to do with Park Rangers specifically. From the beginning it was about the National Park Service. I'm sure that there are some real asshole Rangers out there. But for the most part they are just people who love the wilderness and have chosen a career path to coincide with that. Every ranger I've ever spoken with was very friendly towards me. (of course they did not know I was a BASE Jumper)

Remember, it's the NPS that is the problem. Rangers are just doing as they are told to upkeep the NPS's policies.

And I think that any non-jumpers that are willing to stand up for our cause should be respected. There is not enough of us to really make a difference as it is. And anyway we are all to busy arguing amongst ourselves.
wwarped
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maybe changes ARE under way!

nytimes

nytimes editorial wrote:
The best news we have heard in the past nine years about the national parks is President Obama’s decision to nominate Jon Jarvis to be the new leader of the National Park Service. Mr. Jarvis, a career employee and director of the Pacific West region since 2002, spoke out fearlessly against the Bush administration’s alarming effort to promote commercial and recreational activities in the parks at the expense of conservation — historically the service’s central mission.

He faces many challenges, not least rebuilding morale among park service staff members. He must recruit a new generation of committed young employees and begin to deal with the effects of climate change on plant and animal species. He will need to clear up the backlog of maintenance projects and address the sad fact that it is now legal to carry guns in parks.

One of the first items he needs to tackle is the question of snowmobile use in Yellowstone National Park. He should begin by replacing Suzanne Lewis, the superintendent of Yellowstone, who is doing the legacy work of the Bush administration by trying to increase the number of snowmobiles allowed into the parks.

Mr. Jarvis and a new superintendent would need to adhere to the clear evidence of every major scientific study and steer visitors to snow coaches, which are better for the air and for Yellowstone’s wildlife. This may sound like a niche issue, but it is a question of whether the parks will be managed by the best guidance of science or the demands of politicians and industry.

Above all, Mr. Jarvis will be a spokesman for the national parks. Part of his task will be to take advantage of the National Park Service centennial coming up in 2016. In the Pacific West region, Mr. Jarvis has required the 56 parks in his jurisdiction to become carbon-neutral by the centennial. We would like to see him extend that commitment to all of this country’s national parks. It is the most forward-looking way we know to conserve the parks’ natural resources.