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You're lazy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

On topic. Without any radical actions, we can't do anything. Democracy has too many flaws that they exploit..

I'm guessing the only way is to get extreme, round up all the muslims and deport them back to their original countries (including the ones that stayed long and now have for example american born children/grandchildren?).. Again, without any radical actions, you can't do anything against this muslim influx..

You will either stay democratic for a while and see democracy fall in time or you will do something radical to prevent it (to many deportation would seem like a bad thing, but it's better than seeing your home in 50 years turn into what you hate).. Your choice..

I read somewhere that there was a terrorist action in the USA. "We" slaughtered a pig, soaked bullets in blood. and killed all but one of the terrorists....

this was over 50+ years ago...

EDIT: just looked it up.... urban legend

http://www.rumormillnews.com/.../noframes/read/90763

as I once said to Sangi, why not start a discussion by giving YOUR opinion? let others chime in and see how it flows.

it is your thread!

I don't know what to think about it. I think it can all be BS and just a goverment scare tatic or it can be true. Who know what to think any more.

it seems like a chicken little style scare tactic to me. heck, the vid offered NO suggestions!

when economic times get rough, verbal assaults on "outsiders" grow.

some random thoughts...

- many have stated concern that the US will turn Brown thanks to Latin America immigration. now some fear this.

- immigrants admire the US, that is why they come here. many relish the opportunity they find, and I doubt they want to change it.

- birthrates always tend to be higher amongst the poor and lower amongst the wealthy. in developing countries, many view large families as necessary for a form of retirement. they need more kids to ensure several survive to adulthood, and then be able to support their parents. it is a tactic to provide a social safety net. I bet as they assimilate into Western countries, their birthrates will drop. heck, 100 years ago, Italian and Irish immigrants had huge families.

- society changes no matter what. it is harder to find stay at home Moms. it is harder to find a stable company with a pension plan (most have switched to 401-k's). houses are bigger. kids play with electronic games rather than outside. this is why we have such a strong stereotype of the old codger lamenting about how things have changed... just think, 100 years ago, we lacked interstate highways, air travel, television, radio, computers, many lacked electricity, etc. today, "The Arts" struggle for funding. Ballet & Orchestras lack popularity. so our culture will change whether there is immigration or not.

- Christianity is NOT a uniform, homogenous group. neither is Islam. witness the unrest in Iran. it is easy, but inaccurate, to use 1 stereotype to portray millions of people. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, that Chicago minister, a bunch of right-wing evangelists, etc. are not great faces of Christianity, and fail to represent the mainstream, but they do get time on TV. I doubt the faces of Islam shown on TV are mainstream either.

- hundreds of years ago, western europe was struck by fear. the plague and other tragedies created harsh living. people struggled to survive and find answers. as they returned to the basics, they ignored or destroyed many books of knowledge. it was their way of attempting to end the cycle that led to their misery. much of history was lost. much of which remains was preserved by followers of Islam... we could not have our current culture if Muslims had not preserved the past!

I think Israel may have actually done something involving a pig once. I think it had something to do with dropping a pig carcass from a plane on their Muslim enemies. XD I'll see if I can find anything on it.

CIA World Fact Book https://www.cia.gov/.../the-world-factbook/

If you review the information in the CIA-The World Fact Book, using France as they have done so in the video, you will see that they have a fertility rate of 1.98. The death rate is at 8.48 per 1,000 with a life expectancy of 80 years. The breakdown for religion affiliation is: Roman Catholic 83%-88%, Protestant 2%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 5%-10%, unaffiliated 4%. Population growth is at 0.54 and immigration at 1.48 per 1,000 people. Infant mortality is at 3.3 per 1000 live births.

The videos number facts don't add up, check this site for reference. http://www.religionfacts.com/...laces/by_country.htm

If you research the validity of the video itself, instead of arguing it's points, or tossing out random thoughts you will find this. http://www.snopes.com/...ion/demographics.asp

and this, http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=45220

or this, http://tinyfrog.wordpress.com/...muslim-demographics/

As one person commented, "Racism pretending to be science." I liken it to more of a "Religious persecution." The statement that France would become a "Islamic Republic Nation" is so ridiculous, you can be Muslim and live in a democratic nation as opposed to a theocracy.

My take on it? Instead of trying to understand information that credits no sources for it's claims, study Social Anthropology or at least the information put forth by those that do.

I would click on it but you give no description of the subject. I mean what the heck if it was something about 2 girls and 1 cup?
Try using a more descriptive style in your title and associated post would be my take.
Take care,
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Its not islam we have to worry about.... is the "radical islamists'" Islam in and of it self is not bad, there are many good islamic people. but the actions of the "radical islamists'" are ones that I am against. That is not what I would call religious persecution.

According to Mr. Webster: To be a Muslim, means to practice the Islamic faith.

Therefore, when the video talks as if Muslims will bring about the downfall of democratic cultures, they are attacking religion.

They are not saying, Iranians, Iraqi's, Saudi's, Africans, Asians, they are saying Muslims. You can be a natural born white American citizen and be Muslim.

And you are correct, not all Muslims are "radical", nor are they "terrorists", nor do they all hail from the continents of Asia and Africa.

So by what I think is the definition, what would you call it? All Muslims are not of the same race.

I didn't imply anything about race or skin color. I have a few friends that are of diff races and skin tones.

I know the video didnt s.p.e.l.l. it out, but I assume most can read between the lines and or know that its the "radicals"

Tizzy only reads between the lines when it's convenient for the point she's decided on that day.

Now that's an inconvienant(sp) truth!

As one person commented, "Racism pretending to be science." I liken it to more of a "Religious persecution." The statement that France would become a "Islamic Republic Nation" is so ridiculous, you can be Muslim and live in a democratic nation as opposed to a theocracy.


And what part of this statement do you not understand LeRoy and Dave?

LeRoy, you commented the issue wasn't religious. I in turn asked a simple question in which you have failed to answer.

"So by what I think is the definition, what would you call it?" All Muslims are not of the same race.

If this is too difficult for you to answer then by all means continue to make foolish remarks; why stop a trend now?

By the way, if you read through all the links I provided you would see that there is speculation that the video was posted by those supporting Atheism. Again, pointing back to my statement that it's not a scare tactic by the government, or racism, but an attempt to alienate people against Islam and the Muslims that practice that faith.

You may want to take a class on Diversity, that comment you made can be deemed in itself racist.

Do you introduce your black friends as, "Hey this is my black friend Michael?" Or for that matter do you introduce your Jewish friends as, "Hey this is my Jewish friend Peter?"

Not that you called me a racist...

But I am about as far from racist as it gets. I was raised by a man I first called dad, whom was black. I never saw color as a child, I never saw differences. We were/ are all people and should be treated like humans. I have a brother and sister whom are half black and white. I know about racism having experianced it as a young child in the projects in Austin TX. Am I perfect, no, but I tell you that I have walked a mile in "the other man's shoes," as far as this paragraph is concerned.

My comment was about radical Islam. They have a movement against the "west, democracy, etc" Do you have any idea of the hatred the movement has for us? Basically, either we become islamic, or we die.



I don't feel that me saying that "islam in itself is not bad." I feel that radical islam, or The Radical Islamic Movement RIM, is a threat to everyone who isnt islamic in some aspect.


Check this movie out.
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/

I can only assume you are pokeing and proding in a moderating manner to get some debate (albeit minor league) in the BASE zone

Still didn't answer the question and not a darn thing that you did write has anything to do with the video original posted.

To be quite frank here, religions are just a bane of humanity.

Religions try to suppress the individual, knowledge gaining, common sense, human development etc.. They're just a superstitious form of political control for those who fear the unknown of death. You know, it's funny, people tend to believe (christians/catholics for example) in an old bearded guy living in the sky who sees, knows, controls everything..

lol why don't you then believe in tooth fairy or santa or magic or whatever fairy tale thing? All these things are deemed stupid and childish, yet an old bearded guy living in the sky who controls everything is good and logical and millions believe in this (same goes to all other religions)...

It's so sad, that people wage wars and kill each other just because of these stupid fairytales!

And it so happens that the most popular fairytale today is Islam.. Having the biggest and most fanatical follower base this religion threatens everyone, even the "friendly" muslims can be turned into the radical fanatics...

There's a guy on youtube which talks on the Islam subject (the effect of Islam on Great Britain mainly), which is really interesting, worth to watch http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell

one person may have commented on it, but I failed to see it in this thread...

I've heard many anti-Islam comments while out and about. I find it offensive on multiple levels.

Leroy seems to be against a segment he labels "Radical Islam." somehow if being against "Radical Islam" is "Religious persecution," then I guess being against David Koresh's Branch Davidians is also "Religious persecution." I bet many who disagree with the Reverend Louis Farrakhan do so based on his policies rather than his religion.

since splits and differing views exist amongst all religions of size, it appears to me that leroydb is expressing a political distinction, not racial nor religious.

Tizzy posted some interesting stats.
leroy agreed that we should not look at Islam as a single viewpoint.
I don't think either agree with the youTube clip.

can we move on?

Have we violated any forum rules in this thread?

That's only natural for a religious person who believes in fairytales

When one person calls another person certain
labels it carries a stink that is hard to shake
even if the label is totally & completely false.

Hence, I think, people should be responsible
about not calling someone a child molester,
rapist, or racist unless they have evidence.

I feel SOME blacks have poor language skills
I feel SOME blacks give poor customer service
I feel RADICAL Islamics are a huge problem
I feel SOME Christians are just hypocrites

Sure, I dated an Islamic girl for 3 years in grad school,
have hooked up with a black chick, had a black guy for
a roommate, my buddy Torrance was at my wedding,
mom was married to a black Jamaican for a while, and
my wife, grandfather, and some friends are Christians.

However, I have the right to think and express the four
opinions I did above even if I did NOT have that long list
of experiences that should expose the truth, which is I
am not a racist or for religious persecution.

Despite their bad name, stereotypes were a necessity in the beginning of man, and are still a very useful tool. e.g. Every time I've seen a T-Rex, it has eaten a member of our group, so I am scared when I see T-Rex's, or every person I have met that claimed they were Christian also agreed that war in the name of god was righteous so this person that just claimed to be Christian probably thinks war in the name of god is righteous, or 9 out of 10 pitbulls I have encountered have bitten me so I am weary around pitbulls. It's inductive logic, and the bigger the sample we have the more likely we are to trust the assumption. It's common sense, and in some form or another, I believe it will be with humanity until the end.

Forgot to mention the downsides. It's still just an assumption, so anyone that considers it a guarantee is a fool. And, people that pass there ill informed stereotypes to their children e.g. racists

I like to put things in perspective. So, as I've understood it, this is a prediction for muslims spread (which looks bogus) over few "selected" countries (few because I've heard nothing about the spread prediction in China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Nigeria, Japan and those are remaining countries out of the top 10 countries with the higher populations http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats8.htm)

At the end when he mention time for action for me is like: OK let's fuck more and bring more unwanted people in this overcrowded ride called life.
Now, to really determine if we really need to fuck without condoms I'll like to see the same study done on Muslims, Chinese and Indians spread over the entire world and not only few selected countries.

While waiting for the biased author to make those un-biased studies watch this series of videos about over population and constant growth of all of us a.k.a. The Human Race:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY
Note: The doubling time formula shown in that series TIME_TO_DOUBLE = 70 / %_GROWTH_PER_UNIT_OF_TIME doesn't makes sense because if we have a 100% growth in 1 year this formula will give you 0.7 years to double which is a contradiction. The real formula is TIME_TO_DOUBLE = log (2) / log (1 + %_GROWTH_PER_UNIT_OF_TIME/100)
Post your un-biased opinions. Un-biased because if we are in shit ways we need to see where that shit really comes from and not from where we'll like it to come from .

China, India, Brazil, and Japan all have
a high rate of people per square inch!!

Brazil has 20 people over square km.
USA has 31 people over square km.
France has 114 people over square km.

Where did the chain stopped for you?

In all honesty I was tired and half tanked
when I replied last night...just looked back
at part of the thread and we may agree:

I think there are too many people on the planet!

You need a license to drive, hunt, fish, skydive,
cut hair, fly a plane, but anyone can have a kid.

Idiocracy

It's all good man! I can so much relate to your experience of being tired and tanked Damn it feels good!

Having so many people on the planet or in our individual countries, gives us a higher number of fucking stupid people, and if it wasn't for such a high number of stupid people we wouldn't need licenses and permits for everything

Reminds me of Will Smith talking about the birth of his son and looking at the doctor and wondering when he would receive the instruction manual. He made the point when you buy a vcr you receive more information.

Is the conclusion that the Muslim scare video is bogus and the problem is too many people on the planet period? I only made it to video part 3 of the Professor speaking.

I did like the professors explanation on ways to eliminate people. War, famine, disease, ect. Seems we are doing some thinning of the human race in large amounts these days.

According to the New World Order doctrine, we need to eliminate 9 out of 10 people to achieve the correct numbers for population on the planet.

Swine flu anyone?

I think that the message of the profesor is: follow the *real* truth and not the one you like.

And speaking of nature finding ways to stop our constant growth, maybe homosexuals represent one of those ways. They don't spread/multiply like a bacteria, like we do .
Maybe the future balance is 1/3 male homosexuals, 1/3 female homosexuals (yummy) and 1/3 us or maybe is going to be 1/4 male homosexuals, 1/4 female homosexuals (yummy), 1/4 heterosexuals and 1/4 looking for a sexual identity

This means they need more homo in China, India and all the other places where they have a population crisis. Imagine politicians from India selling that idea to the masses
Also, in the straight sex world we need more BJ

You should run for president of the north american union

This means they need more homo in China, India and all the other places where they have a population crisis. Imagine politicians from India selling that idea to the masses.

Being homosexual doesn't halt the reproduction process, think sperm donors or all those homosexual mom's and dad's out there who opt not to adopt.


"Houston we have a problem"...

We are heading towards Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.