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Just curious, what's the chance (in percentage) of getting busted in Troll?

23.22314%

If you jump
99.999999999999%

So just stick to skidiving

counting the number of busts should be relatively easy...

but how is anyone supposed to know how many jumps get made? only the main Norway site seems to have a system in place that provides relatively accurate jump counts.

to get your percentage, you must guess at the denominator. not really a great way to sort it out!

how are we supposed to keep jump statistics?

Does the police patrol that area often?

If you do not know anything about the Troll, it is a high chance you will get caught. If you have done your homework it is very little chance. But still jumping inside the Troll massive is a very high risk to not getting any help if you fuck up! This is not a situation you want to put your family, friends or the rescue personnel in to! If you have to jump Troll wall stick to the Stabben side, still illegal, but you will not put the rescue people in that position they have to make a decision about leaving you on site, since there is not possible to bring you out.

Again, I do not recommend any jumping at any illegal site. This is just guidelines from me, if you have to do!

When coming to Romsdalen do not have only one thing on your mind, to get a jump from the Troll Wall. I did as well first time I got up here, but did find a fantastic place with so many beautiful different hikes, all kind of different exit points, with different approaches, and need for skills. It is "the playground" for the experienced jumpers. If you do not have big wall experience, or are not a skilled tracker or wingsuit jumper (not only experienced, but a solid flyer as well) you will have more fun to learn in Kjerag, and then come up here another time. Kjerag is a playground to learn, up here you hike to long, to hard to make the same progression.

Skidiving versus Skydiving?
Hmm, you've seen him land?

Oh, and Sangi, don't be offended
I've landed in a tree & gotten wet.

Very interesting.. I just know it's a very dangerous place, due to often rock slides and instabilities and because it's hard for the rescuers to get jumpers who are in trouble...

Off course, I'm not going to be jumping it anytime soon, since I don't jump at all yet (but I'm working towards this sport).. It's just interesting to know how the police works in order to catch the illegal jumpers (how, how often they patrol, what are their routes, do they have a station nearby, do choppers flyby, do the locals call the cops if they see a canopy flying etc...). But in the future, it just seems an incredibly beautiful wild place to conquer for a BASE jumper

Also read this page, since this is the one we got for Romsdalen, and I can update on fly when you have any questions.
http://www.blincmagazine.com/...omsdalen?redirect=no

Thanks mate

dude, why?
when people might be playing cat and mouse with law enforcement, do you really think it appropriate to share that information? do you think it is appropriate to say that approximately 796 jumps get made every year at a particular illegal site. (jump number pulled out of thin air.)

a jumper wannabee should understand the sensitive nature of certain questions. ignoring those sensitivities makes you look like you are prying. you give the impression of being a reporter researching a story or something.

have you tried reading all the articles here to help satisfy your endless curiousity?

Yes you're right wwarped.

Nobody is forcing to write that info right here, if anyone is willing to tell me, he/she can pm me (which I would very much appreciate).

We can not try to make it as a high bust rate at Troll Wall, since there is not the fact! Before the police hunted the jumpers, not anymore. But they will do catch you if they have the chance, dont think you wil get away with it. Ask a famous ozzy jumper.. I want instead focus about the ethics around a base jump in troll wall. Before we made the rumors about long hikes, and bust factor around the troll, dangerous etc. Yess it is a hard hike for those who is only used to climb a 300 foot antenna, or riding elevator, it is dangorous to hike if you have no experience with snow, ice, loose rocks, cold, wet, weather changes, wind etc. Even some part scare the shit out of you, since you are very exposed at the climbing (free climb) but some other places it is a perfectly easy jump at some exit points. Still we do experience jumpers hiking 7 hours even 8 hour to get to some exit points, and that is not good for your jumping if you are tired, scared, wet, cold and hungry! I will say some few of the accidents could be related to just not being in shape! Some other accidents is drugs combine with alcohol abuse/party related. We can not stick our head in the sand and hide the truth anymore, it is to many jumpers around that we can afford the same statistics one fatality pr jump we had before. It is stupid to do the same mistakes over and over. Also make the new generation that most have been done, and they do not invent the wheel again. It is a good example when I showed Carl´s video´s at my home to a new upcoming "BASE Star" what they actually did in the very old days. "Did they do things like that at that time?" was his response.

There is the ETHICS I want some jumpers to understand what it takes to make a jump there. Other jumpers do what they want to do, and do not care about guidelines, and do what ever it takes to make their goals without thinking about their responsibility for other jumpers. I do not say it is bad. What I say, you have the information to make sure your choices is based on the information, and then get the experienced needed to take that action. It is up to you!

Still gotta love the video of Slim where he say "At troll wall, after 7 hour hike" That video have saved the area for alot of traffic ;-) Thank you Slim!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqLDEyzrdfM

I'm not

is the whole face of the troll extremely underhung, to where if you dont start tracking within a few seconds you are going to impact? obviously i dont know much about this object except that it appears to have a massive talus. i assume you have to be able to hold a track completely stable for long periods of time? from the footage ive seen it looks like you are not very high above talus during track and you have to keep that glide angle perfect or you are going to fall to the ground.

This is a big wall, and if you want to jump a big wall you have to be a stabile tracker and wingsuit jumper! Some places in troll wall you impact after 6 seconds if you fall straight down, at other places you can fall straight down (close to the wall) 16 seconds. You will find underhung exits, and overhung exits at the same wall, at the same exit point just moving 1 meter to the side, or just switching the exit direction slightly. Troll wall is an experienced playground, not only because of the exit points it´s selves, but also for the rescue personnel, who have to try to pick up jumpers when they have accidents. The no fly zone is not only for jumpers, it is also for climbers.

I have to remind you all, this is not a experimental playground where you can expect to learn how to fly your body. This is the playground you are already an solid big wall jumper! It seems LB have the same problem to make the jumpers arriving to understand the difficulty of the different exits. It have been said over and over, but some jumpers do not want to understand, neither understand their own limits. At periods in our lifes, maybe we do not care so much about what´s happening, or what´s in the other end. The longer you survive the game, the more you enjoy being healthy and alive! Think about that for a moment! Time is not now, time is coming, and time goes, some of your friends you will keep, and some you will loose. Simple!

again, why?

why do you want information you are not in a position to use? you are NOT asking what skills you ought to develop, you are asking details about jumping the object.
(heck, I'm willing to bet most active jumpers can not answer your question, nor do they ask.)

so, I ask again, why do you need to know?

just curious?
plan on using the information? how?
are you writing an article?
are you planning a trip?
are you getting information for a friend?

most people should proceed step by step through this journey. master A, then learn B, move on to C, etc. you seem to want to ignore A through L, and jump to M.

even worse, you want all of us to provide information, but you choose NOT to provide any yourself. that just seems rude, as if all you wish to do it take, take, take.

in real life you may be cool. I do not know. I just see your posts which make you out to be a demanding person. (many BASE jumpers could learn from your choice NOT to reveal any information!)

Yes.


No, not yet at least.


No.


No.


No.


This is the internet, there is no step by step guideline on how to proceed through BASE on the internet. Real life is another story, there you indeed have to follow the correct steps.

Something pops into my mind that I'm curious of - I ask, I'm not forcing you to answer, heck you don't even have to check the threads under my nick if you so despise me, but some might answer and I appreciate that.


I'm not jumping yet, so there ain't much I could provide the BASE community (yet). But when I start, I will try to do my best to contribute, for now I'm just soaking every bit of info (even if I won't use it right now).


Please wwarped, feel free to ignore my threads and don't frustrate yourself, I'm not forcing you to read and answer them. I'm not forcing anyone to answer my questions (if they choose they can ignore, it's everyone's free will, but to those who choose to answer me in good will - thank you).

Peace guys

Sangi,

A word of advice - stick to learning about what you really need to know for BASE. At present, asking about this kind of stuff is frivolous at best. If you're trying to endear yourself to a mentor, this isn't going to help you.

  Ummmm...If I space walk to fix the Hubble one day, will a small hole in my suit be devastating? thanks. peace out!

pendragon,

I would doubt very much anyone in our part of the world would take Sangi on as a student. He has no intention of entering the sport the right way.

there appears to be a few mis-understandings. I'll just point out 2...

first, you do realize I am a moderator? it kinda means I'm supposed to read threads, not ignore them. (otherwise it is kinda difficult to do my job.)

second, I asked you to give us something. I did not expect you to do anything for the sport, yet. I meant give something of yourself. you mention nothing about yourself, your motivations, or even why someone should provide you the answers. you don't discuss anything that would let jumpers customize and provide you with the best advice, for you.

so much in life must be experienced. common experiences provide a foundation to discuss things. what are YOUR experiences that help people here relate to you? to care about you? to ensure that you will properly absorb information?

Something to ponder.

One can judge an online persona and believe it to be real life. How would you or anyone for that matter, know how he intends to enter the sport. What is the right way anyway? If you feel compelled to, make a short list and post it. I'd be interested for certain.

I have my thoughts on what is the right way. Yours may be different but chances are we'd talk about it and come to some agreement.

Some people are simply curious about everything...e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g ... and are so excited about a subject they have no filter. generally, there's no harm in that. coping with it can be a challenge. We tell people to ask questions, well, when they do, either answer it, say nothing at all, or say why you're not answering it. You can also re-direct the question.

He seems intelligent enough. He definitely has a bit of fun with the forum users who are annoyed by him. Sure I don't agree with everything he comes up with but there are other users on this board that are complete tools. Some reason they catch no flak at all.

In real life I'd give the guy a chance. If he proved to be someone worth hanging out with, then why not? If he didn't, well, it was worth a chance.

That's enough for now.

Im sure he is Intelligent enough to have fun of us, but not all readers is! It is the fun we make, that make other people look at us, when we have bad incidents, they use forums like this to find out what kind of people we are. Also the not so smart potential jumpers out there who will hurt themselves, since they are not able to think for themselves!

It is bad attitudes, bad judgements, bad actions, and bad behavior that will put us all in the situation with more strict rules and guidelines at the popular sites around in the world.

Who want rules?

Wasn't site naming against forum rules? When did that change?

that rule helps the locals control access and prevents unprepared jumpers from getting hurt.

434 is a local trying to prevent injuries. he seems intent on making it known that this site is very unforgiving. he has posted about it before. thus, he has the same goals as the rule. I'm happy to defer to a local about what is best.

Wwarped, I think you missed dwezel's point.
I think he was saying that Sangi named Troll,
not 434, by starting this thread.

Let me throw out an answer to dwezel and
please delete or edit my post if I am wrong.

Typically yes, sites should never be named.
However, there are a dozen or so famous
and/or legal sites around the world that so
many people know of that those sites are
exceptions to the rule, i.e. Bridge Day.

you are correct.

but that site has been named before, and 434 has posted on it before.

I dont think site naming is the big problem in Norway, we do have a problem with the Police Chief.

NO - just stick your finger in the hole quickly. Then find some Gaffa tape and cover it up. Monitor the hole thereafter for leaks. I would suggest not doing the spacewalk once you find the hole. Do a spacerun instead. That should reduce your exposure to the risk significantly.

Basic psych 101 - the guy is motivated and probably excited. The information search is for a reason - it is not accidental. He is goal driven and is clarifying information for a purpose.

What you choose to do with these facts as a potential mentor or information giver is up to you.

What is the right way?

1 - the fundamentals are right. Guidance in that direction is right. Following that guidance is right. Anything else is WRONG.
2 - a logical and sequential progression is right. Before he thinks of Trolls he needs to nominate bridges, antennas, and safer cliffs.
3 - the right motivation, values, ethics will have a strong influence on your outcomes. You need to have them right to start with.


My experience at the Trolls:
- it kills.
- 434 is absolutely correct, you have to know the wall very well, a 10 degree change in exit direction on the exit point gives you a totally different jump. You need a guide or exceptional skills at site selection and evaluation.
- you don't have to be a brilliant jumper to jump the wall safely. But you HAVE TO get it right EVERYTIME. Your exit, launch, and track MUST be solid everytime. This comes with repetitive success. And you have to have experience at dealing with problems (i.e. freefall instability, etc).

p.s. I recommend goggles for the jump! ;)