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http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2009/04/15/2009-04-15_9yearold_boy_dies_in_fall_from_brooklyn_housing_projects_police_investigating_c.html

I hope that guy that posted this reply:

"I'm wondering if the stupid antics of the parachute/ski jumpers, including the idiot whose chute didn't open a few weeks ago, had an influence on this impressionable young kid. "

I hope he isnt on about shane cause thats gona fuckn piss me of...

Who at the age of 9 didn't try jumping off of something with a makeshift parachute? I know I did. I never had to see anyone skydive or base jump to think it was a good idea. Those little army parachute toys are what put the idea in my head. It just so happened I didn't try it off of something that required the parachute slow my descent to stop me from getting hurt.

http://www.nydailynews.com/...investigating_c.html


13 Floors, Brooklyn. I think its safe to say this kid had Magot beat for their concept of "LOW."

Also pardon my insensitivity, but when I was younger jumping off my roof and shit, I knew that that was as high as I could go. I had a concept of what was too high and what would hurt me/kill me. For this kid to look 130+ feet down and jump. There just had to be something wrong with his head. Whether it be lack of smarts, mental problem, etc... I have a 9 year old brother, and when I took him up on my roof. he slothed onto the tiles and wouldnt move. For a normal kid his age he acted with self preservation, and he realized the risk instinctively. What the hell was the dope thinking?

~Jake

Same here, even at that age I knew that jumping off the second story balcony would hurt (unless it had that big snow drift under it...).

Maybe he was smokin salvia or eating heroin. Up there in the projects they start there kids off at a early age so they have a edge in the dope game. Crack really does kill. Seriously though strings and plastic. Did he really use one of the little parachutes from the little army guys.
Stupid hurts real bad....

You can say that again. He probably telescoped his lower half. I hate to say this kinda shit, but unless he was mentally handicapped. He was probably a crackbaby (Or something of the equivelent). Good people rarely come from project housing. They are a product of their environment.

~Jake

The article did state he was "chubby" maybe his wing loading was off...

Actually looks like they're gonna blame wrestling:

http://www.wrestlingdotcom.com/headlines/9-year-old-dies-trying-to-imitate-jeff-hardy/

unbelievable. stupid. unbelievably stupid. I agree something had to be wrong with this kid mentally whether it be from birth or drugs or both.

   i still think he should be put on the List. it was a base jump and the kid had alot of balls.

13 storys, wow, you know when I was about the same age, maybe a little younger, I made a parachute out of a round kitchen table cloth and a ball of red yarn I took from my ma-ma. I think if we hadnt lived in a one story house it would have worked, instead I went to the ER.

Sad to read about.

on my grandfathers property he has a big pond he dug out decades ago... I mean big it might as well have been a lake there is an island with two trees on it. anyhow in the summer it dries up. When I was a kid I used to build big square parachutes out of heavy duty plastic and twine and try to launch them off the 15 ft "almost" vertical damn. it was all dirt so the result was always a bruised ass and dirty clothes. But if you asked me at the time I wouldve sworn it worked for a second. :)

One article says he was developmentaly disabled.

then what a shame. Everyone is dissin the mom and everyone is standing up for the mom but if he was disabled then maybe some shame on the mom leavin him alone. Depends on so many unknowns though (what kind of disablity and so on was he sleeping and she really was just runnin to the store for a minute...)

+1

Got to go on the list....

Shame and all...

Quote "Healthy Chubby Kid"

The irony of it all

I vote YES.....he jumped a B he had a canopy....it was a base jump give the kid his dew.....put him on the list

I totally disagree. Putting this kid on the list is a bad idea, especially since people like that cobra forum end up seeing it.

The kid isn't a base jumper, and wasn't intelligently trying to base jump. He was a dumb ass. My condolences to family and friends obviously, but putting him on the list would be like putting on a suicide that changed their mind at the last minute and tried to use their coat as a parachute. Or handing a handicapped person a parachute and telling them they can jump off of stuff with that and not get hurt, and then they jump off with out even putting it on and we should put them on the list. Ridiculous. The list should be for base jumpers only in my opinion.

My friend John Hoover (BASE 95, RIP) did a 2 way with his 9 year old son Casey from a 170 foot bridge. Casey's grandmother held the direct bag.

A BASE jumper is somebody who BASE jumps. This kid died blazing a path testing new gear innovations and opening up a brand new B in the process of BASE jumping. The dorks over on the cobra forum are too stupid to recognize any difference between us and him anyway.

+1 for the List! At least an honorary mention, right under the guy who jumped the Eiffel Tower with a homemade wingsuit back when the world was still black and white.

Joking aside, sucks to be his mother. She'll be hating herself for a long time.

PS. I still swear my cardboard wings worked. My arms were just too weak to hold them out there....

edit: To clarify, I was joking about the list. Thanks

I sure hope Casey had some parachute experience or it was over deep water or something really soft.

I'm a little tossed on how to feel about that, but I have to admit that is pretty awesome.

My dad died a little over 7 years ago. We had a lot of fun together, but it would have been so great to get to share the experience of base with him.

After re-reading my post it came out really harsh. I'm not sure what the average 9 year old's mind set is these days, let alone this particular 9 year old, but I think the negative effects of putting him on the list would be huge.

Edit: I had to pull an all nighter last night and I'm pretty tired. I think my last sentence would be better phrased: I'm afraid the negative effects of putting him on the list could be huge.

That is Awesome.

it was over water and there was a boat there. he had been around parachutes since infancy. it was really strange because Hoover (the original BASE man in black) was pretty much a weirdo maniac but his son and mother were so "normal." His mother was like the typical loving grandmother; very nondemonstrative.

from newspaper article:
"My baby, my baby," she cried as shaken relatives helped her out of the building.
"I saw a little boy's body on the grass...

no matter what social backround this kid had, no matter he was chubby or disabled, no matter his mother used any substances (assuption made in this threat), no matter if the mother failed her obligatory supervision,...
this is the death of a 9 yr old boy! Do you have kids???

condolences to his family and his friends for loosing a loved son!



please be respectful.

I vote he goes on the list as well. Any ideas of his deployment method? I would assume a TARD or rollover.

Sounds a little like #53 to me.

How so, as far as we know this kid never had any intentions of committing suicide. And rather than selecting his equipment mid-freefall, he put it together ahead of time.

I'm not taking this very seriously (so don't get your panties in a twist) but I think it would be kind of comical for this incident to make it. And, as far as I can tell, the list is people who died for whatever reason while attempting to make a base jump. I think this kid qualifies.

I dunno...I always made my own parachutes out of old drop cloths with string and a large bolt. Ok one time I did make a parachute and put my cat in it but I only threw it out of the 2nd story balcony, so the cat survived, but I agree with everyone else. I knew back then if I jumped from the 2nd story it would hurt thats why I put my cat in there instead of me. Seems like he had a screw or two loose to try this by himself.

I am not dissin anyone. hence the "there are so many unknowns".... if he was in fact a child with some sort of mental disability as was mentioned, then he should not have been left ALONE at 9 years old in that type of environment! Im not saying a person deserves to lose their child for leavin them at home Im simply discussing the topic in a place for discussion! It is horrible and I cant imangie the pain she feels and would never wish that on anyone. how in the hell is my post disrespectful?

this is the weirdest post to be in an incident forum ,

hope you guys are joking that he should be on the list ,

-1 for the list ,

if people joking about this may be a base jumper now is starting to be like everybody in this world way.
I dream like a child but i try to jump because i am not a child.
A child died and i have read up a lot of shit.
May be also basejumping is in the shit way.
Will see.

WHAT THE ?????



anyway guys have found this thread from the local paper
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=802675

seems he was imitating his favourite playstation game


i maybe this guy was trying to skydive

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=802608

For your knowledge: since cats don't have a fatal terminal velocity, it's actually more likely it would die if dropped from a height under 7 stories, since it may not have time to get ready to land.

Also, it sucks this kid died. It sucks that he lacked the common sense not to do this, as well as a mother who would actually watch out for him (or get a neighbor to).

By 9 years, though, I think he should have known. At 9 I knew to watch out for cars, not jump off buildings, etc. Instead of blaming video games/BASE jumping/the like, I feel like they should be looking into what exactly we're teaching our kids about personal safety. It's one thing to jump off a building prepared like most of you guys, and quite another to test a makeshift parachute off a 13 story building. I feel like this is a failure of education.

TARD......rollover......to funny

it's quite obvious it was a WAD

does it qualify as a BASE jump?

really, isn't there a rule about being packed?

and what about the rule, "if there is no video, it did not happen?"



(but honestly, the family must be going through an ugly period right now, no matter what the circumstances.)

not saying it qualifies as a BASE jump but unpacked jumps count, and there are guys on the list who were solo jumpers without video... maybe the question should be about the harness/lack thereof? shouldnt that disqualify it? you need a harness/container to BASE dont you?

...Until somebody does a rollover off the perrine holding the V in their risers in their hands...

Pretty sure that's already been done.

P.S. Annibal, have you tested your cat terminal velocity theory I have a very hard time believing that.

I knew a guy who did freefall testing with cats in the military...

They placed the feline unattached in the air and right before pull time they grabbed the pussy and pulled...needless to say the cat grabbed anything it could for survival and the "tandem" instructor was bleeding quite badly from lacerations.

The next jump they observed the cat in freefall, then simply tracked away. No need to bleed again. The pussy splat.

~Jake

Someone else has already done the testing. For some reason i was thinking it was 9 stories a cat was safer from but it could have been seven. Dont know how they got away with testing it but they did. Lots of slomotion and still photography involved. In higher instances the cat has time to spread out and dearch its body substantially which will slow it down. It might be on youtube as it's really an interesting documentary.

"maybe his wing loading was off..."

Or maybe it was a low turn?

"Healthy Chubby Kid" - Oxymoron

His mother really should have encouraged him to take the stairs…

Doooon't put him on the list, that’s retarded! I mean Special.

All joking aside, I went to the Statue of Liberty with my younger sister and grandparents when I about 7 or 8. I totally wanted to jump off that shit! I remember the long walk up the stairs and arriving at the crown. I can remember looking down out of the large windows and seeing all the tiny people and objects. From that first moment, I felt an overwhelming desire to leap from the object. I pondered about how it would feel to jump from the statue and feel the wind rushing past my face. Picking up speed and seeing the features of the statue pass by me rapidly. But even at that age, I realized that doing so would kill me. Envisioning the landing and the reaction my family would have, I wisely decided against it.

Handicapped? That’s a shame… but, one less person on government support.

Not handicapped…? Oh well! Don’t worry though… she’ll get pregnant again.

Coco

Yeah, it's just something I heard, never tested. For some reason I don't want to be nabbed for animal abuse! I would have to be a scientist to get approved to abuse animals, methinks!

I got this from an unofficial source, and never followed up on research. But it would make sense. And they also said that they only considered it a nonfatal terminal velocity because more than 50% survived falls higher than 7? 9? stories.

Some cats survive, some don't. Some urban folklore or actually information gathering indicated that out of the cats that were brought in for treatment, it seemed that more injuries were from lower falls.

Thing is, 60 mph impact is a 60 mph impact and likely will result in loss of life. If the fall killed it, there was no reason to bring it in for servicing and it not part of the control group. At that point it's simply best to go buy a new or used cat and start again.

This guy studied up on cat landings and fared quite well ==> Crazy Jump

I hate cats, allergic, but even I think it seems
smarter to test on used cats than new ones

I think this thread is sad.

Everybody was getting their panties in a knot because the Cobra guys were spouting off about and disrespecting the BFL without having a clue as to what they were talking about and now you're turning around and exhibiting the exact same type of behaviour concerning the death of a child.

Sad.

no, some people, were uptight about the cobra forum. Mostly cobra00 or whatever the screen name was. They were disrespectful and harsh attempting to make them see it "our way" with force. Another person was attempting to clear up what was stated as fact by a driver, the thread was locked before any reasonable response was allowed.

I don't believe the child should be on the list. This thread is sad for the fact people (including myself) are using it to post something humorous. My post had nothing to do with the child though. The child made an inconscionable mistake and for whatever reason believed he could drift safely to earth. For that I commend his attempt. Unfortunately his thought process didn't match reality.

It was a jump of joy and incidently could, in a weird way, be categorized as a base jump with improper gear.

In no way does this belong on a BASE jumper fatality list. It would be there for the sake of humor, nothing more. No one should make fun of the mothers young child on a base jumper fatality list.

I would grieve and be rather pissed about it if I was the parent.

Edit: Compelling thoughts have changed my mind. It could go either way. For the list.

And with that, we should close this thread.

This thread should have been closed way before this.....

Fuck me.... some of you "BASE jumpers" are awful people......

agreed, but then again who are we to judge?

Sadly, Morals are only of the majority of the current time...

 
We are sad disterbed people. I'm surprised you're oly now noticing. Setting that aside I doubt this is the first incedent of a child dieing from jumping off a roof with an improvised paracute/wings. It just happens to be the highest and most public. God bless the internet.

But stop and think about all the goofy shit people have done over the years. Bird man on the Iafel tower etc. Ever seen... I think it was "Those amazing Men in there Flying Machines" Is that the one with all the old lack annd white footage? By the way you know a lot of those planes were real right?

Now this could be a discusion of child rearing. Not sheltered enough or over sheltered? If you let them mae smaller errors and lean from them even if they are hurt they can develop the judgement to make larger decisions. Handecaped? I say the same princeaple still applies. Learning may be slower. The upper end may be lower but to deny them the right to grow and learn is to deny their humanity.

The list. Way wrong gear. What about the guy with the vector,saber,bunjie pc Did he have a better chance? The fact that there judgement was poor to the point of there being no hope for survival does not change what they did or what they were trying tro do. If poor judgement was a disqualifacation the list would be half as long. Hell look at Shane. I'm not a skier I'm not a ski base guy but come on. Even I can see holes in that plan you could drive a buss through. That was some Fucked Up Shit and I say that haveind done quite a bit of FUS my self. It sucks that he's gone. It sucks that this kid is gone. and it sucks that bunjie pc guy is gone. The whole point of the list is to preserve the knowlage of these mistakes in hope that they will not be repeated.

I say any one with the balls to jump from 130 ft with a bed sheet belongs on the list.

+1 for the list

Lee

....you do have a point....

Ya know what though... ya need to joke and be humorous about this kinda shit... because otherwise you'll lose your mind.

You think this is sick? Come spend a night with me in the Emergency Room. The average person would be disgusted by half of the things we laugh about... but you have too! Cause this world is so fucked up and people are so fucking terrible to each other so fucking often, that if you don't joke about things, you'll just be depressed as hell all the time. "shrug" this won’t be the last kid who does something stupid and gets killed... it won't be the last time something terrible happens that just eats away at your soul... asking why did this happen?

Don't put him on the List. That is completely ridiculous… and we definitely don't need an 9yo on the list when the next base accident happens and reporters put in their article that we add an 9yo to that list… that won’t be good press for us.

Coco

Age fix

What is the list for..

IMO you can look at it in a few ways

1.To remember the guys who pushed the boundrys to far.

2.Learn from the Mistakes of the disceased in a hope that we don't make the same errors.

3.Give people a reality check for those who want to take up base.

4.An Outlet for peoples Grief born from a frustration that there friend has died.

5. A tribute to the person, there succeses or failures, the ones they've left behind.

I think those of us who are for the kid going on to the list are doing it becasue we can respect the kids courage to give the impossible a go, to take the leap off the edge and not look back, who don't need a "youtube special" covering it.

Those against may have looked at it from a, what if the mother see's it, or a reporter covers it, or his gear was not suitible for the task.

I don't know his family so i could not comment on if i feel sorry for them or not, a loss is a very personal thing, and not for me to judge in any shape or form.

I feel sorry that the mother is being hounded for popping out to the shops for 15 minutes and is to blame, i don't think that is fair.
My Own mother left me alone when i was 6 and i tried to jump out a 2nd floor window with a bed sheet. (true shit) I got caught on the ledge (a hang up if you will) and was dangling 8 whole ft from the ground.. Scary!!

Maybe a, in memory of, or tribute to the kid would be better, or maybe he just needs to go on the darwin list. Who decides on these things??

The Kid certainly had that little somthing loose in his head, a bit like me, a bit like a few of us, but maybe not like all of us.

The little fellow gets my vote for DIY BASE NO 1

It's so sad...
Obviously, he have desire to jumping this B... and had a "gear" and courage to do this.
I assume he was youngest base jumper I ever heard...
+1
fly free little fellow...

As I have thought about this tragic, surprising, almost beyond thought story over the last few days the incident SHOULD be posted, and listed on the BFL.

1. To no avail, speculation about the doomed will be useless. (unless documents provided from family written by the deceased prove otherwise (suicide)) He died attempting a BASE jump.
A. He thought he would survive.
B. A BASE jump doesn't NEED to be repeatable, just survivable.

2. Even if as naive as it was this child was acting on an intuition to fly, and do it now and committed the utmost sacrifice.

I see this not as an intentional act of self indictment, but a lack if education, even at such a young age, for those who seek a different path in life, and for him a sad death. He is an unusual, sad, and unfortunate addition to "our" list.

I don't want to join my friends, this kid, or anyone else on this number game.

+1 for list

he built his own rig, and attempted a basejump.

and the BFL provides a lesson for the living, even for children with ideas of BASE. +1 for the list.

 Still a little odd, but a few compelling thoughts have changed my stance. Honor the little guy.

Having read your posts I can't agree with putting this kid on the list. As a child I made parachutes out of my Dads hankerchiefs, string and anything heavy enough to bring the whole down to the ground. I eventually tried to make a parachute from a large piece of nylon fabric from my Mum's sewing drawer, some more string and a leather belt. I then clambered on top of the carport and stepped off.

At the time I wasn't trying to BASE jump, I was trying trying to enjoy the feeling of being under a parachute. Just like the skydivers who routinely jumped at a local airfield, or the paratroopers who I had seen jump on WWII documentaries.

Laying their winded and groaning with shock and embarrasment that my parachute hadn't worked, I didn't for a moment consider what I had done to be significant in any way.
I had no idea that one day in the future I would do the same thing but with a lot more success.

When my dad came out and saw me laying there he yelled at me for being an idiot and told me to get up and and walk it off. He didn't once think "OH dear my son has just had his first BASE incident." He thought I was just being an idiot. And he was correct about 2 things. It was not a BASE incident and I was being an idiot.

I respect the opinions of the jumpers and some of you have made some compelling arguments but with reference to jumpers like Shane, Bungy pilot chute Guy, wrong type of gear...? Well that may be the case but there are some fundamental differences that I see immediately.

Both Shane and Bungy PC Guy may have been using gear that was not 100% suitable for BASE but both of those jumpers and everyone else on that list had prepared themselves, mentally, physically and with what they thought was the right gear for the job to make a BASE JUMP.

Shane knew he was BASE jumping but he got unlucky. Bungy PC Guy knew he was BASE jumping and probably thought his gear was the shit and before he knew it he would be back at the DZ telling the story of his conquest. Well neither jumps were to end the way they were planned but both guys knew they were BASE jumping and both knew the inherrent dangers associated with the activity.

This 9 year old child did not. In fact the truth is we have no idea what the kid was thinking. Maybe he had just watched a Roadrunner cartoon and had been influenced by Wylie Coyote. or maybe he'd just watched episode 2 of Band of Brothers or yet again maybe he had seen a documentary on paragliding. Was he making a parachute, hang glider, magic carpet, invisible Jedi cloak...Who knows. Whatever his influence, the outcome was tragic. A tragedy that will no doubt haunt his family forever. Never knowing why he chose to do what he did.

Courage aside, this kid had no clue what he was doing. Less so even than Bungy PC Guy.
If we put this kid on the BFL then it seems we have to then start putting even more people on a list that has far too many of my friends on it already. Let this be about learning for our community and as a place of rememberance for our community.

To add the kid gives it the element of a sideshow and that is not what we need. Don't let his family find this kid's name on our list sometime in the future, it just serves no purpose. (-1) for the list.

Matt

Well stated, -1, not on list

-1

He's not going on the list anyway. It's not as if this forum will have any influence of the outcome.

He wouldn't belong there regardless of how compelling the arguements, even if at one brief point I felt it would be acceptable, it's a bit too odd.

Not quite as odd as scary tower shadows but odd nonetheless.

hehe next crazy tower shadows will be on the list..

  kids kill themselves/others with guns all the time. rarely,these children relize what danger they are playing with,but, their actions are still catagorized under gun incidents.
plain and simple... the kid died basejumping. that is a fact... it doesn't really matter what he was thinking. if i were to eat a shit ton of acid and chase gumby off a cliff with a homemade parachute, i'm pretty sure i'd make the list.

i dont know about you but thats what im doing. minus the list of course..

Big difference between a gun killing a person and someone trying to emulate a video game. If you ate shit ton of acid and run off a cliff holding a little plastic soldier with a parachute attached to him in your hand, you for all intents and purposes stepping off a fixed object with a parachute. A parachute that one can only describe as totally inappropriate for the job at hand but a parachute none the less. That is still not a BASE jump nor a BASE fatality. Doesn't matter what you thought whilst on the acid.

Guns kill regardless of who uses them. People are also killed randomly by stary bullets. Those bullets came from firearms that from the dawn of the firearm were designed to kill, people.
Regardless of who ultimately pulls the trigger and what their intelligence, mental acuity, emotional condition or even their overall maturity, a firearm death cannot be compared to a BASE or even a NON BASE fatality.

But if you do eat a shit ton of acid and chase Gumby off a cliff with a tablecloth and a few strings tied to the corners and die. We'll make sure and create a list especially for you and any other person who decides to try something absolutely retarded.
However if you do all that acid eating and Gumby chasing using BASE or even skydiving gear and and say "HEY! Me and Gumby are gonna do a sick 2 way" and then go splat, then by all means you're on it.

The fundamental difference is that BASE jumps are meant to be survivable. The list is there to show us that sometimes they are not.

"Make up your mind dude, is he going to shit or is he going to kill us!?!"
Oh, and why "regardless of how compelling the arguments." Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a compelling argument one that's convincing?

 
Good lord thecount . Drink some water. I'll go ahead and post again since it appears to have made you angry.

For a brief sleepy moment It seemed almost reasonable. I've had coffee since.

The actual deed of placing him on the list quite honestly doesn't sound reasonable. The arguments for were actually thought provoking in the early morning whilst coming off of a sleep aid.

Cheers!

Don't worry I can fix it. My dad's a television repairman. He's got an awesome set of tools.

"You can't fix this car Spicoli!"
spicoli pokes his crack-beanie wearing head out the window
"I can fix it"

  i hope our little base jumping buddy isn't with you at your next exit point... he might be a little pissed you didn't want him on the list. neverless, try not to think about it before you jump.

you're a base jumper in my book little dude.

gumby and i have done some pretty sick two way's... sometimes we'll even let pokey tag along.

Don't worry about that mate. I have 12 friends on that list. They're with me on every jump I do.
Now the Darwin list is open to everyone else.
From what I've read that, kid wasn't trying to BASE jump anyway.

why is the dude who jumped a tower from 400 feet with very inappropriate skydiving gear who died on the jump not on the list? maybe the list should include a section that says "honorable mentions for people who base jumped and died but confused base jumpers as to whether they should be on the list ... list."

The list should not become the "Darwin Awards".

even if it seems similar now.

Didnt there used to be something like a side list? Its not there now but i thought i remembered seeing a second list in the past of base jumpers that died from circumstances not directly base related.

See BFL #10. I believe that is the jumper in question. At least that's what I've always thought. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

I don 't want the BFL to be anything more than that. Not a Darwin list, that's for sure. People who knowlingly prepare for and execute a BASE jump to best of their knowledge and ability and die as a result go on it. Everything else becomes way too convaluted.

How do we know that the kid's death hasn't already made the speedflying faltality forum.

#10 was around 1990 or so. The other death was was in the late 1990s or early 2000s.

Late 90s early 2000? Doesn't ring a bell. I do think that even using skydiving gear that person would have made the list because pretty much everyone killed prior to the 1990s would have been jumping skydiving gear anyway. Check with Nick DG. He would know. I could be wrong though.

 

the kid prepared and executed his jump to the best of his knowledge. he made his own parachute for christs sake. he wasn't trying to fly... if that was the case, he wouldn't have made a parachute. he was trying to base jump. the reasons for doing so, don't really matter.

The kid was probably trying to do what we all consider a base jump, but think about all the other people in the history of time that have tried things like this (even the ones that we know of, like all the birdmen and the guy that road the motorcycle off the cliff in that black and white video) that aren't on the list. The reason they aren't on the list is because the list is made by us for us of people we considered legitimate base jumpers, that died base jumping. There are probably other kids that have died trying stupid shit like this, you want to look through archives at the library and get them all put on our list?

You don't know that the kid was trying to make a BASE jump. You don't know anything about what that kid was trying, thinking or can even testify to his knowledge on any such subject. So how can you say that he was trying to BASE jump.

SBCDave makes a very good point.

The list is made by us for us of people we considered legitimate base jumpers, that died base jumping.

Why do you feel the need to put freak events involving "Home made Parachutes..???" and fixed objects on that list.

Dave's other point that, if that were the case shouldn't we then search archives and data bases to find similar events to add to our list, would then seem valid but the reality is that would be ludicrous.

His reasons for doing what he did do matter. Maybe not to you or me but most definitely to his family and friends. This event is tragic but for some outsider to try and rationalize his actions based on their own experiences and knowledge is wrong.

Bottom line is you still don't know what the kid was thinking but everyone else on the list we do.

My vote: kid stays off the list & this argument dies.

we need to get this shit off the incidents form. enough said.

 

What shit is still going on? The thread was 10 days dead until you just bumped it

John vav from South Africa made his BASE parachute at home. If he died jumping on his first BASE attempt, would it not be considered a BASE jump, despite his age?

You are correct. My description matches #41 exactly.

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<Sense of humor OFF> Somehow I doubt Jon used common household items to construct a parachute. I of course can't say for sure, but by the account given by the media, what I picture is a plastic garbage with a peice of string tied to each corner. I some how doubt that the child read Poytner 1 & 2 before considering building or jumping this "parachute". Do you think a child would even consider performing a clamp or drop test before using his "parachute" ?

Yeah man i say get him on the list also, jumping home made gear this kid had balls!
Kinda like Austrian tailor Franz Reichelt back in 1912

Quick thought here, i may be way off !
But the new G-FORCE Disneys movie shows the Rats in the film doing BASE off a building !
Maybe this kid saw this movie and that planted the seed in his head, or maybe he has only seen a TV ad, because thats all ive seen and it shows them jumping the building and opening their chutes on the TV ad !