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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyeWFwBBpb4

Talking about his rig at the PIA.

can we have a poll what or who is the bigger joke in this clip?
the rig, the "world famous base guy" or the "reporter"?

Or his FJC.

whats wrong with the rig? you can jump your base rig at your dropzone and pull dirty low. or are you a little pussy that pulls at 3 grand? then maybe its not for you.

nah, a big pussy...pretty sandy too.
i reviewed the video again and then noticed the camo pattern. maybe its for the hardcore faction who run around at the dropzone grinding their teeth, sporting camo and gatorz.
so combined with your info i finally solved the mystery why i despise this whole concept...i'm far off the peer group this is marketed for!
what a relief!!
all the very rad though guys should get one so the can go balls out on the dropzone and pull super hardcore below 3 grand! i hope pulling filthy low like that leaves enough time for the "whoo-hoos" and "fuck yeahs" though.

edit:

maybe even below 2 grand??
jesus! the possibilitys this thing offers...

but you are right....compared to those two muppets in the video the rig sure does win.

What is funny is that you judge the reporter on an impromptu interview with someone clearly not prepared to talk into a camera at length without rehearsal.

Do some research on the reporter, you may find a few surprises in there.

I won't give my opinion one way or the other about the rig, but given a choice to jump my personal BASE rig or my skydiving rig, I'd go with my BASE rig. The round on front would be a formality if mine were legal to use one.

My only comment would be that I'm not a fan at all of having low time skydivers using that for practice with any intent of possibly using the reserve though. Then again, who's to judge that?

I jumped a round recently, Lopo 24 or something, landed close to where I wanted to and without incident other than a hefty PLF, but for a minute I wondered if it was going to turn into one of those no shit, there I was, thought I was gonna die situations. I don't think i would want a new jumper under one either.

the only reason there is a round is so you can get on the plane i dont think they are advertising it to save your life....and you guys sound like abunch of skydivers maybe you guys should just take a step back and see how this product may help or fuck are sport and rambo you can lick my asshole any day of the week you hot little cock gobbler

nice, Wingsuiting with a belly mount... that must look interesting. Some Americans are funny :-)

3 min was all I was able to take.

3 min was all I was able to take.
Werd

The results of making base easily accessible to just anyone

http://www.basejumper.com/...;;page=unread#unread

That video was such shit

you know i did that, and was actually surprised!
funny how peoples internet and real life appearances differ...both ways round.
if i had the choice of rigs at the dropzone i'd still take my skydiving rig 95%.
i only use my flik for tight demos, and even then it feels kinda wrong.
and gay.

and i somehow just love this baser bashing. it was funnier though when the world famous base guy left his awesome comments here.

i think it could be fun to pull low out of the plane. just my opinion.

you can choose whatever color you like, doesnt have to be camo. you can get camo on a perigee too, maybe even a gargoyle! or an apex DP!

I dont understand what there is to bash about. its pretty fun hop out of the plane at 2 grand and take a deep delay.

the reserve is there so it is legal like nick250 said. do you jump a belly mount when you jump a terminal

the guy who did the interview pretty much showed up from left field and did it on the spot. yes he called him a world famous base guy, in reality he is more of a well known swooper and he knows that too.

He came out with a product that is pretty unique. no reason to bash it.

actually, heres what ive been trying to say this whole time: fuck you! and if youve got shit to say to me you can visit tahoe and ill show you around. send me a pm if you are interested.

keep sucking dick mr prick

ohoh...that post will get our beloved moderator wwwack all up in arms.
mate i'm sorry you didn't get the joke.
i was only partly joking though...i still think the whole idea behind the baser is wrong. and it's developed by a guy who has no idea about base...listen to that crap interwiew for fucks sake.
i think it is more fun to hop off a cliff at 2 grand and take a deep delay. i also like jumping in the night, from places i'm not supposed to be there.
if you want to hop out of an aircraft with base rig take a balloon or do a proper bandit jump.
with that baser you get skydivers hopping out of planes thinking they get ready for base.
great.
so far for my reasons, enough for me to bash it.
no idea why you take this personal? are you guys making out or something?

this side of the pond, i said it before, people are happy to no longer being forced to use a bellyreserve setup for basejumps(legal, display, events etc.)....it is not unique and not new.

Sonic is teaching BASE FJC's and has something like 11 legal bridge jumps. And his FJC is out of an aircraft. That says enough really doesn't it?

i wouldnt call it a fjc more of a canopy course he might only have a couple of base jumps but he is well qualified to show how to fly a tarp and hes making skydivers feel important hahah it actually keeps them out of the base community they make some baser jumps out of a plane pull @ 2 grand and are pumped....you should see the smile on peoples faces hes making people happy you miserable english prick....And for the record Rambo is my gay lover

He calls it an FJC.

Hmm... Did you know the potato bridge and Moab weren't legal until just a couple years ago...

News to me...

I like jumping a cliff better also. and id say 85 percent of my jumps were illegal and at night, morning, or sunset.

that doesnt mean its not fun to take a base rig out of a plane. you do a "proper bandit jump" and fuck up you get the poor pilot in trouble. not cool.

no one is using a belly reserve for base jumps dude jesus you are thick headed.

prick, you keep talking shit about it but you still havent told us what is wrong with the rig itself. is it the pins? the riser covers? the leg straps? the boc?
you talk shit about the rig for no particular reason.

wait wait...those jumps on sonics fjc aren'T base jumps?
they start off subterminal after all....
but you are right, there is probably not much wrong with the rig, aside from it's a racer and those stupid magnet covers. and the price.
the canopy howerver-- vents of that style, without covers?come on...
also the videos floating around of it's performance...
and as i said in the video the rig clearly wins.

what is the downfall of the magnetic riser covers?

interferes with my tinfoil hat

Guess who was flying that canopy when the lines came off ?


Here's a hint, his nickname starts with a S. No, not me.

not really.
Sangiro's idea as stated to me was to treat this space like his living room. he wanted everyone to feel welcome. it essentially says that in the rules.

Nick, Slambo, Rambo, etc. have a unique way of communicating that they find amusing. directed at part of their understanding crew, it is tolerable. directed at people with a different sense of humor and it can intimidate and make some feel unwelcome.

we'll never get the complete story on the BASER, reversing the bridal, etc. unless MOST people feel welcome and comfortable posting here. so, it is best to be cordial and civil. we get to hear more views.

that said, Sonic is making money making people happy. selling a service that some desire. his knowledge and product may not be the best. his terminology may not jive with how experienced jumpers talk. BUT it still seems like he does a good job of attempting to bridge a gap. I'd rather have people try his stuff and say it's whack and not go further than actually jump an object and quit.

if they want to buy what he's selling, so be it. even if his stuff is ONLY used as starter gear, so? I bet it is still better than some of the gutter gear of old.

Those "FJC"'s are going to get the wrong type of people into base. by removing some of the fear an important filter is removed that will allow people that don't have the grit necessary to keep your shit together when it all goes wrong. If you don't have the balls to make your first jump off a fixed object, you shouldn't. ever.

That said, being able to smoke it below a grand over the packing area without getting the pilot in trouble is pretty f'n cool- if skyjumping happens to be your thing.... I still think planes are for pussies

+1

...but that doesn't matter as long as you're making a buck right??

Remember the days when you would need a reference from a known jumper to be able to buy gear??

Mythbuster!
You've just exposed the truth about this rig.
The TSO allows you to get on the plane with it,
it does not change what the rules are after you leave the plane.
I can smoke it just as low with my vector, and break the same rule.
I don't need a round on my belly to complicate things.
If I want to jump a round, it's going to be into water, and since I have a tiny rig for that,
I don't also need an overweight, overbuilt TSO doing me no good while deploying below 200'.
Jumping from planes is really very cool and awesome,
but in no way simulates actual fixed object jumping.

Okay, back to smokin' it, below a grand, over the packing area, without getting the pilot in trouble

rule? I thought a BSR was a recommendation...

But that's just me, I'm ghetto...

"The interpretation of 'requirement' as rule or recommendation" is an entirely different thread.

Just for the sake of this discussion, let's consider,
if BSR is rule, then TSO and deployment altitude are set,
if BSR is recommendation, then TSO and deployment altitude are optional.
Either way, a single parachute on my back with a belly mounted reserve provide no advantage to me just using my vector.

I agree with you... I was just playing semantics. I always chuckle when people consider USPA's guidelines (and not the FAA's rules) to be some kind of stone-chiseled commandment, especially with the presumption that wearing a belly wart will change anything.

thats what i figured.

BSR -> Basic Safety Requirements. a long time ago, the R stood for Recommendations. Group Members sign a pledge to ensure all BSR's are followed (which includes pack opening altitude). thus "smokin' it low" may result in loss of USPA Group Membership and the benefits (such as insurance).

Dual Parachutes & TSO -> required by the FAA. violation of these results in little penalty to the skydiver. BUT the FAA can penalize the pilot, including pulling his license. the piloy many be banned from getting their license back. they might be allowed, after a year or two, to start over from scratch, or the license might simply be suspended.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPNeVy1QIoc&NR=1

Quite a catchy rap though...

Purely for putting the time in to getting somone to rap a song about his product.. he gets my vote....

Funny stuff

I have got an old student vector
if any lurkers need a cheap but
air worthy container to practice
flying your BASE tarp.

RE: their rap song

I actually agree, it is damn catchy!

Lastly, regarding the "suck it low".
Going really low on a skydive
after already being at terminal
is dumb and does not prepare
one for BASE jumping, IMHO.

Oh, and just as an FYI per the SIM:

G. MINIMUM OPENING ALTITUDES

1. Tandem jumps 4,500 feet AGL
2. All students and A-license holders 3,000 feet AGL
3. B-license holders 2,500 feet AGL
4. C- and D-license holders 2,000 feet AGL

Its not when they PULL, but when their Container Opens!!

All I have to say is by looking at all the people we are the biggest group of losers I always forget that till I show up at bridgeday every year. I think that is why its been very underground ahhaha. Oh by the way Sonic its the only USA TSO rig. I know morpheus and a few others are TSOd in Germany.

That's what 'accidental' off landings are for.

Here's a real simple question. Think about the answer honestly before replying.

Why?

Yep.

Freepack the canopy you intend to use for BASE jumping also, into a standard skydive rig, forget about chest mounts and altering all your emergency procedures.

Arm someone with little clue, 200 jumps and an over eager attitude. What do you get?

i vote the reporter. spot and stupid dave would be great team mates

Based on that video alone and a spontaneous comment, what do you know about the reporter? Do you know who he is or any of his work... besides that particular video?

I think you may be taking Cutter's comment the wrong way. I think he means what a character DSE is around the DZ. Not his film production work.

I'm walking into this thread a little late but whatever...

I bought a BaseR a year ago and I like it. I also own a Perigee Pro and a Snekor. I like those too. I am an experienced base jumper. Here is what I like about the BaseR:
It is long. You don't need to use a leg pouch when wing suiting. Regular rigs, even wing suit specific rigs, are so short and up high on your back that many people need to use the leg pouch option when wingsuiting. Why not just make the rig longer?

It has a high pack volume. Very easy to put any sized parachute in it. Yes, I know you can get a high pack volume rig from anyone but the trend nowadays is to go smaller and that is what most people have. A very easy container to close is a nice option especially for people learning how to pack. I sometimes choose this rig over the others simply because its so easy to pack.

The times when you can pull extremely low without getting the pilot in trouble are of course rare. They, however, are not nearly as rare when you own a BaseR. ;)

When using it for skydiving I was very surprised at how unobtrusive the belly mount reserve was. I barely noticed it.

The shrivel flap/bridal thingy is an interesting idea. It seems to function very well and creates a smooth, symmetrical and solid cover for your pins.

Experienced jumpers easily forget how important being comfortable with new gear is for a newbie. There is no question that this is the correct gear for an aspiring base jumper to get while skydiving. Standing on the exit point of your first base jump knowing that you are wearing your same gear that you have already jumped a few hundred times is a huge positive. The jumper can focus on the important stuff and not have any gear fear.

Shane

Good write up.

Just a question for you. Before I ask. I have not seen a baser which is why I can't make a comment on them. I imagine the quality and function is just fine.

As an experienced BASE jumper, I could see using one. As an average new jumper fresh off of 150, 200 skydives, how do you feel about them using that rig since emergency procedures are completely different?

Keep in mine I'm only talking about newer average skydivers with thoughts of getting into base.

Correct me if I am wrong but is Miles not involved in this aka project as well as other Red Bull athletes.

I don't care what anyone says jumping out of an airplane with any base rig is not even close to being on the edge of an object and exiting into dead air. Nor do I think any have gear fear in the since that it will not work because how its built. To me its about how comfortable my rig is and how my canopy flys all of which can be done with a traditional skydiving rig.

To me the extra you have to pay for just the base part of the rig because Sonic has to pay Racer for their harness is not worth it just to occasionally jump it out of an airplane. I would prefer to buy a rig from a company that has been doing it for years are very current jumpers than someone who borrowed gear and copied what they liked. The velcro pin idea has been done before as well.

Not saying its a bad rig just think the extra is not worth it and how many students have jumped round chutes and know how to land one.

Their emergency procedures will be the same as they would have practiced when skydiving the BaseR. In reality though, it is a base rig! What could possibly go wrong!! :) They certainly won't be cutting away and using the round reserve. Part of the beauty of this rig is that you will never use that belly mount reserve. Its just there to make the FAA happy. Might as well fill it with tissue for all the people getting all upset over the BaseR. Are cutaways necessary practice for base jumping?

Helmut,
Yes Miles promotes the BaseR. No, as far as I know, no other Red Bull athletes are affiliated with Sonic or his products. Miles and I might be the only ones who have them. I paid full price for mine because I liked the concept.
Gear fear is not only about wether it will work or not. It is mainly the fear of unfamiliarity and one's comfort level with reaction time on new gear at a very low altitude. Newbies who can eliminate that part of the fear are one step better off.
Sonic definitely has some good ideas. Just because he doesn't base jump a lot does not mean that he is not skilled at making gear.
The pin cover shrivel flap thingy is not velcro.
As I said, the user will most likely never use the round reserve. It is a base rig.
Shane

I think having 1 parachute instead of 2 might for some of those newbies be scary too. Why not basejump with the reserve like they are used to in skydiving? And then like robi said in other thread they will pull higher instead of track more(=closer to cliff) just in case to have enough altitude for reserve. perhaps they feel safer but in fact they are not.

I don't know the rig, but as a experienced basejumper too I would never buy the complete system.

That depends on the DZ. Sonic said in the interview it was up to the pilot whether or not you could board the aircraft and use the rig. It's probably more like will the DZO, S&TA, and then the pilot be okay with someone using this rig at their DZ. Someone should start a poll on this.

no thats kind of not what he said. interview dude asked him about dz's that wouldnt care if you took your normal base rig sans reserve in the plane

The more I think about this, the more it seems like a really cool idea.

Consider the cost of the container+reserve as 'insurance' for the pilot if you screw-up.

My pilot friend has spent tens of thousands of dollars to get where he is today, and I don't want to jeopardize his life-goal simply so that I can burn it low at a backyard BBQ demo.

BASE containers are so simple I don't see how Sonic could really make a dangerous one, as long as I can put my own canopy in it.


As to the sociological ramifications of his FJC or hybrid gear, I can't speak, but for experienced jumpers with attention to detail, I think this is a cool step forward.

wel, i am getting into this thread even later but just read most of it.

most of the base manufacturers are not doing anything new, not thinking out of the box at all.

in recent years, regarding containers, we have seen progressive innovtions out of flyyourbody.com with their production Snekor container that has toggles that make your parachute steerable while zipped up in a full performance wingsuit, and they eliminate the moment of surge potential whilst clearing your breaks and achieviing tension on those steering lines after you grab the toggles.

we are seeing some innovation from Apex with their long narrow WS rig, that is not yet out...

now we are seeing innovation from Sonic.

a couple cool things about the Baser rig are, in regards to WS base, you can get totally dialed with your WS base pull from a plane, and WS base pull is rather important and can be different from container to container.

the other thing that is cool is that a beginner could learn just one pack job and gain experience and confidence with it.

i am not jumping the baser, but I give props to him or anyone making progressive new stuff for our spor. it is key to think outside the box and make sick toys.. the moment that stuff stops is the moment a sport can get stagnant/ boring.

Hello,
How is that reserve connection compatible with wingsuits?
How is it to be wingsuit flying with that belly reserve?
What about the weight of that rig for BASE?
Why is it you don't jump one?

from what i hear, it is compatable with wingsuits, not sure how.

i would guess that the flying performance would not be inhibitted, but since i have never tried it, i dont really know.

the weight of the rig is heavy, especially considering the lightweight new set ups we are seeing.

the fact that it is heavy is one of the reasons that i have not purchased one yet. the other reason would be just $ i guess. i already have a skydive rig and i also already have a WS base rig. for WS base i jump the snekor every single time because of the toggle system that allows me to control my parachute ultra fast in a pinch. faster than any other rig.plus the snekor is lightweight.

If i was not an experienced WS base jumper familiar with snekor pull already, and i did not already own a skydive rig, and i knew WS base was for me, then I would strongly consider buying a Baser and having Pete Swan copy loic's toggle design and install it on the Baser (this would be fairly in depth because to cutaway, you would also need the toggled to release from your should strap)

if you had that set up, you could get totally dialled in with your WS base pull, your Loic toggles set up (takes getting used to) and you could learn just one pack job ( your base one) and learn just one canopy (your base one)


that is a lot of ifs, but there are more and more people getting into the sport with WS base in mind and i think that there will be more and more Basers going out of planes, and mostly i just think it is cool to have manufacturers making new shit that helps us and newcomers to progress. maybe this baser is just the first step, and it coould lighter and better. again, I do not have a baser, a sponsorship from sonic/ baser, so i am not biased.

Thanks JT,
Really, maybe Sonic can explain how the bellyreserve is compatible with my wingsuit.
And how do you suppose having that large protrusion below your belly would not inhibit your wingsuit flight?
According to you maybe all we have to do to this copy of a rig made into a BASE rig somehow is butcher the fukkin' thing immediately and have dr frankenstein sew some copy of some french shit on there and then it'd be allright?
If you have no experience, how do you know you'll love WS BASE?
And if you are so effin enlightened, and just know like you know like you know,
then wouldn't you also know to buy the right french shit in the first place?
C'mon really, who needs this gear?
If I knew somebody thinking of taking this sport up,
well first I would tell them "don't".
But then I would not be advising them to buy this gear.

Here ya go Avery, an entire thread on WS skydives Yuri did a while back with the Baser and reserve.

http://www.basejumper.com/...%20wingsuit;#2881119

I watched the video again just now. DSE puts his hand on the reserve and asks Sonic if he thinks pilots might need to be educated that the system would be legal to take on a plane. Watch it again.

Thanks for that stitch.
Just when the BASER was starting to sink,
you went ahead and threw the cement brick of Yuri's opinion on it to finish it off, touche.

Avery I love it someone saying it like it is. Don't hold back we will see you at fnd.

when I listened, I heard Sonic talking about learning things like the pitch, reaching toggles, unzipping, etc. using the rig permits the jumper to get familiar with these actions.

I never heard Sonic claim it was helpful for the actual wingsuit flight.

('course, I could be wrong... and I am not endorsing the rig.)

None of you believed me when i told you that soaking a packed rig in a bucket of warm water before jumping it would improve its glide performance by altering the atmosphere density in the boundary layer through which it flew. why wouldn't unnecessary parasite drag on the bottom of a already disgustingly turbulent wingsuit airflow add to its overall lift by increasing the thickness of the lower boundary layer on the foil?

it's like none of you ever took fluid dynamics.



but seriously, the more I think about the BASEr, the better idea it seems. I kinda want one. I can see the huge potential for student BASE jumpers. in fact. I just might recommend it to some of them I know that just started skydiving, if they end up not liking it, I will buy it from them.

of course, no one ever said it was good for FOJ, but the simple and laughable purpose of legally taking it out of a plane in the US tickles me. as far as experienced jumper practice goes, it might be a little easier to put a BASE canopy in a BASE container as opposed to a huge javaline container, but the muscle memory is the same on opening/unzip with a regular big skydive rig. but for students and packing and getting used to the BOC, etc. awesome.

PS-in case you did not realize, kidding about the top paragraph.

I just posted a video to skydivingmovies.com (SkyBASE.mov) with bits of jumping with Baser last Fall. Everyone (I think, about 15 people participated) had a great time and learned a lot. And bitching here continues, so everyone seems to be happy and life goes as usual.

As for flying wingsuit with Baser, as I said in the thread cited above, it's a great tool - of course, not a tool to learn how to fly wingsuit, it's a tool to do something that most closely resembles real WS BASE - before you do it for the first time or to refresh yourself. Whenever I plan a WS BASE trip, I try to grab Baser and make a few jumps.

The bottom reserve straps go through the same holes in wingsuit that main lift web and laterals go through. It's tricky to attach reserve by yourself while you already put WS on, better to ask somebody.

The glide with a slim 20' round is not decreased too much, maybe by 15-20%. You just need to keep more steep pitch angle than usual.

In my opinion, introducing a TSO BASE-skydiving hybrid rig to USA is only a welcome thing and used to seem to be impossible. Kudos to Sonic for doing this! Kudos to everyone who creates something new, thinks, experiments, invents, perfects things... And kudos to bitches for the never ending entertainment. :-)

Yuri

Is it legal to pull low at dropzones with a baser? I sure hope so.

The FAA doesn't care about opening altitudes as long a the setup is legal.

The USPA does, but don't have jurisdiction over non-member dropzones.

"hey Bill, can I pull low"?

"no".

"but I have a BASER".

"what is that crap"? "pack up yer shit and get off my dz".

Doss was looking spiffy today in that red vest.

Thanks Drew, I wasn't actually serious. Badenhop stated exactly what would happen at one dz.

One time I did get a "BSO" ( Bill Says Ok) to pull low. It was from a heli exiting from a grand. My presentation must have been perfect. I do not think just anyone could be as lucky, though.

So what is tought to acquire a BSO or a TSO?

i think sonic is doing something maybe even base jumping unlike all you gossip queens do you guys even have time to jump i mean this tread looks like its really grounded alot of you

thats funny... because if you look at the usernames on this page alone, the only one im not sure basejumps is you.

whos sonic? oh yeah.. sonic the skydiver. lol.

that was good...i think ill go start base jumping

opposed to what? Sonic the hedge hog?

just spoke with sonic he said 10 percent off for you on a fjc since your uncurrent just a refresher....man what a guy ill hook it up just send me your info @ youcansuckmyballs.com

hahahahaha, i'm not getting into the drama...but that was funny

hilarious..

SONIC BEEF BABY!!!!!

So can I get a renewed, refurbished, lease to own sonic beef base number

We never issued any for BASE just for skydivers. I think that you still are part of the BEEF Family.

keep putting it down, all of you. have you ever seen the rig?

this is some funny shit.

total dorkzone.

i wish herrenza posted more(base75) because he is way more interesting to read than all you fucking bitches.

you all put down a product that was designed well by a master rigger, but why? because hes not in the base community as much as you? are all of you that nerdy? why dont you all tell that to sonics face rather than on your bitch screen name.
you are all pussies.

if you wanna call me a dick you can call it to my face too the next time you come up to norcal. ill even jump with you.

ive never bought this rig. i still jump velcro for everything because i cant afford another rig right now.

so what is wrong with it. prick said the magnetic riser covers fucked with his tinfoil hat. that was good.
its a little heavier. sure, not as good on long hikes or ladder climbs.
its got 2 pins! any complaints?
it actually has a nice pin cover flap. whats wrong wth that?


so i ask all of you, what is wrong with it?

 

Wow! Some marketing class should study this thread for ways to create this kind of attention and flurry around a product. If I had created something and was hoping for advertising I would be stoked that this thread just stays at the top. Sonic must be giggling his ass off at all the BS in here too.

I'm not going to lie to you, it's going to get a little wierd. Two Dragons!

too much Jason Ellis will rot your brain, son!

<== click that.

Yep. Probably could have been talked into buying one at one time. A little history here if you missed it:

Many of these criticisms of and objections to the BASER were made immediately after Sonic introduced this rig at BD 2007. There were some glaring problems with the rig when it was first introduced (for instance, the first one I saw had standard skydiving risers rather than integrity risers, the second attempt had integrity risers but no white loop for LRM). The BASEX canopy that was unfortunately introduced at the same time immediately (and probably appropriately) drew ridicule from anyone who saw it and I believe the canopy's perceived poor design and reputation hurt the BASER.

Generally when a new product is introduced and the consumers are critical, the manufacturer or their representative responds with questions such as "What would make you happier with this product?" or "Is there one specific thing you believe needs to be changed?" and uses language that lets the consumer know that the manufacturer is interested in the input of the intended user.

Instead, Sonic responded with things such as:




If someone with basic interpersonal skills had been marketing this rig, I think you would have seen them popping up at dropzones around the country on the backs of those jumpers who are only skydiving to get in the minimum number of jumps so that someone will mentor them in BASE. Instead, Sonic alienated much of his customer base and made enemies of some well respected people in the BASE world. One of the first things I was told when starting to BASE jump was that this is a small community, try not to piss anybody off, or pretty soon you'll have no one to jump with. I believe Sonic missed out on that lesson by not being part of the BASE culture. I still hold out hope that he will learn it.

I believe if Apex or Asylum offered a TSO option for the DP or Perigee so that people could legally skydive their BASE rig with the addition of some old rag of a chest mount reserve from the dropzone, people would like the idea. (Not saying it is realistic to get a TSO on an existing BASE H/C, just that if Jimmy or Marty tried this, they would be careful not to come across as thinking they had all the answers if someone objected to it).

Just my .02

damn, if that's not the funniest thing i've seen in years!!!

That was funny!

 the funny thing is, sonic isn't even a really good skydiver.

 how many wingsuit jumps does he have???

I am pretty sure any one if someone can find an old chest mpunt harness system like the pioneer super pro for example you can put what ever type container you want on it. the harness and reserve are what hold the TSO. so go to almost any long standing DZ and look in the old back closet find a old T 10 rig stick your 280 base canopy in it have one of the round reserves re packed get trained on deploying the reserve and have at it. I bet paragear has a ton of the stuff buried some where the would be able to sell you a lot cheaper than 1500 to 1800 bucks

I got a T-10 I will sell someone

Yesterday I had an opportunity to pack and jump (legal skydive airplane) the BASER with a flick 260 and 38" vented ZP PC, street clothes.
this particular BASEr rig was built for a HUGE dude.

Me:
skydiving: 7 years, >500 jumps
BASE: 6 years, 450<500 jumps
5' 8" 150lb.


Construction: [AWESOME]. some of the nicest craftsmanship of any BASE or skydiving rig I have seen. Everything fit together perfectly, flaps came together square and solid. all the reinforcements are SUPER stiff. it's like packing a folding box made out of aluminum. I Enjoyed packing it a lot. until I got to the pin flap. Ok, Ok, it looks really freaking cool and unique. but it really has no point other than that. I can say that if you understand gear, how everything works, it should never ever have a problem. but in all reality, the bridal (BELOW PINS [important]) has a cinch knot/snag point SEWN INTO IT (this is the shrively connected pin flap thing). again, this should not be a problem unless your trying to drag a bridal and packjob between your legs, under and arm, etc. it just seems more complicated than it needs to be. there is a TON of padding throughout the rig (skydiving rig), riser cover magnetic just a gimmick, but put together very well. I would prefer a tuck tab but they (BASEr's) are clean and smooth.
the rig is heavy and built tall.
ALSO, there is a double pouch BOC, one small and one large. one for a small PC, (tight enough for a 18") I personally wont ever use smaller than a 32" for a BASE canopy even when pulling at 3000' from an airplane.
The round front mount was not very strange in the plane or gearing up, after exit it seemed to not be there at all until I opened, and it gave me a bloody lip and took some of my skin with it. (not the fault of the rig design, I am a little guy and it was built for someone twice my size) the BOC was WAY low (also rig was way to big for me), took me a little bit to figure that out. but I can see how that would be nice for WS.

Packing was very nice and easy, GREAT because its just packing a BASE rig! (other than the pin thing)
I think for teaching students the transition this would be a GREAT tool. for packing and gear familiarity.

The BASEr is a skydiving rig. i would take it out to BASE jump as a backup rig on a bridge day trip, or similar, but it is not an all around BASE rig (nor does it seemed to be advertised as such) It has

this rig seems like a good idea for the (very) occasional skydiver who wants to use gear as similar to BASE as they can get but still be legal. (this would also be a good WS rig to learn on from planes, but it is slightly different than mainstream BASE rigs, if you were learning wingsuit BASE on the BASEr i think you should wingsuit BASE on the BASEr after jumping it from a plane a few times instead of just switching to a gargoyl for the first non-airplane WS jump)
Personally, packing a 260 into a huge regular skydive rig does this equally as effectively short of BOC placement in over-stuffed skydive rigs

-IF- i ran an FJC, this would be an awesome tool, no doubt, for students to learn packing, gear handling, deployment etc. but for the actual BASE part of the FJC i would prefer more mainstream lighter and simpler BASE containers.

Nice one Calvin

If you take out the enthusiasm of the OP trying to make it sound good and look at the facts this rig sounds pretty bad. A product well constructed yet with lots of design floors that could potentially encourage skydivers to think they are base jumpers. Skydivers should stick to skydiving.....potential BASE jumpers should be experienced enough they don't need this product...to practice skydiving your base canopy get yourself an old student container or something. BASE is not a sport to allow your equipment to have concessions made so it's more skydive friendly or whatever....thats what skydive rigs are for (with a real reserve and a few grand to use it).

So, I just got off the phone with Sonic. He explained to me the reasons behind several of the BASER's features.

Free Flap: After thinking about this for a few days, I have concluded that the free flap has no more snag potential than the shrivel flap of a velcro rig. the free flap has easily the best snag/aerodynamic cross sections so it is more or less impossible for the flap to blow open or snag. these are huge pluses when you are skydiving doing crazy stupid shit like free flying. of course the rig is not meant for that, but of course people will free fly BASE gear. I know I have.
The flap also provieds even deployement forces at all angles, as opposed to assymetric of all other pin flaps. I never thought of that as being a problem, but there is nothing wrong with consistencey unless it compromises safety.

Magnetic risers: there is tons of threads on this on both dorkzones, we all know the pros and cons. it does offer the most even/reliable riser deployment.

Sandwich BOC, same logic as the free flap, there will be people who are free flying this from an airplane, because they can. so a 28" PC will fit snug in the smaller BOC without risking falling out. (my BASE theories differ, but that is personal BASE theories)

I have never jumped a BASER.

I have jumped the new Sigma Tandems
and love the magnetic risers covers... I
do not see a down side other than price
and weight but definitely see benefits.