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Anybody have the number for last year season?

It feel it was less last year than previous years? Or is we are not paying as much attention to every accident anymore?

Would like to see the last 10 years graf if somebody have?

7 deaths were documented here.

thankfully, that sounds down from previous years.

There was one more, but did not find this one on the list.

http://www.basejumper.com/...;;page=unread#unread

Dont think the list is updated! "Tigern" is missing to!

Is this the price we are paying because there is no more BASE fataility list? We don't even know how many fatalities there are a year anymore? If we're getting safer?

I think its hard to get an accurate graph, more people are jumping, and not as many jumps are being made underground ''high risk'' as 5 or 10 years ago, thanks to awareness and legal places like bridge day and perrine bridge!!

there was a time where the list was pretty up to date,...

its not always easy to get infos but at least the "known" fatalitys should be on the list,....the discription of the incident can follow later,....

I have put more thought into this and i think your right we dont get all the info but now days we get more then ever

Don't have much info about him, but according to the paragliding press, he died launching a speed wing from a cliff. So no BASE jumping involved, it seems.

well, as far as i know this was a wingsuit accident. He impacted short after exit, don't know excatly why but must have messed up the exit. Not a good idea at this place. I was there when first jumped, rock drop is 2, 4, 6, 7 and 8 sec depending on how hard you throw. And in which direction as well.

My info by French jumper also states it was a base jump wingsuit fatality.

Ronald

 Patrick did the first ws BASE jump in 1997.

In the past 12 years 87 incidents - with Tigern and this French incident = 17 with ws

2 first WS accidents Norway 20002?

It's maybe too late in the day for NickDG to take it upon himself to ressurect the original BASE fatality list.

I can fully understand that he probably can't be bothered with all the pish that comes his way.

It's a shame really as it is an invaluable source of infomation for exisiting, new and potential jumpers.

It's more of a shame that people continue to die and add to it.

why can't the fatality list be updated by forum users, with just the v basic info listed (as long as consented by family etc with no subjectivity), & can be monitored by forum administrators?
its affectively done already in "incidents".
& doesnt have to be portrayed as being complete. although not a v useful stat on its own (e.g. deaths per jumps wld be gd), but deaths per number of jumpers fairly useful and cld loosely infer deaths per jumps by doing sample survey on here annually of how many jumps done per member.
i wld be interested to see this, wld also be keen to compare (again as an estimate) vs other sports.
wonder if insurance companies cld then use as a yardstick to providing more accurate & perhaps cheaper premiums?

I'm curious, in what way do you think this would be useful? I would say that knowing how people are getting hurt has value, since we can work to avoid those sorts of incidents. But if I told you that 15 jumpers died last year, how would that change how you jump compared to if I told you that 10 died? Or that one in 1000 jumps ended in a fatality?

Nothing wrong with being curious about random numbers (I'm a data guy myself), but there's a difference between "I'm curious" and "it'd be useful".

 

i.e. where users have the freedom to act as irresponsibly as they choose.


BUT, thanks to cornishe for maintaining the list. it is important to the sport and I bet it can be thankless.

I am surprised that any took your post seriously.
As this apparently being your first post and you have no profile data.... Also what whats up with the teenie SMS text style, no proper capitalization etc.? Slop in one area of one's life will be seen as propagating to other areas...
My apologies if I am mistaken.
take care,
space

Maybe he's a reporter ,they always make mistakes in there writing.

base283 - your only criticism is of me not using capitals....well done, that bothers you enough to post HAHA. sigh.
as for it "being useful"....up to date stats on fatalities wld be useful to insurance companies providing policies for base jumpers, for example. do i have to explain why..i wld but i am still reading "Grammatically correct forum posting made easy".

i await base283's grammatical critique with anticipation.

btw....i have a wrist injury which means i type one handed.

You don't have to, but it might help. I'm not in the insurance business myself, though I've discussed this with friends who are. Maybe you're more qualified here, but that doesn't really come through in "It'd be useful. QED, dumbass."

As far as I know, insurance companies have no interest in BASE jumping stats. Collective stats (like "there were x injuries last year rating an injury severity score of y or higher in 2005") are next to useless because they involve such small numbers. They move up and down by so much that no responsible insurance company is going to use them in business decisions, except perhaps to say that: (a) BASE is wickedly and unpredictably dangerous, so they won't insure it; or (b) there are so few jumpers that they're willing to include BASE in broader policies. I've seen these positions in life insurance and travel medical insurance, respectively.

... For the same reason, I'm always doubtful when somebody says that raw figures (with the what happened and why of each story stripped away) would help them in making personal decisions.

base736........thanks for not slandering me nor assuming or even presuming stuff......respect. agreed, as always its a complex issue and all i did was suggest that it might be of interest to maintain this list (BFL) for a number of purposes....one to help gauge albeit loosely the risk in BASE, second to at least be able to have that knowledge of a sport i am so obviously intwined with.
i now reget this wholeheartedly as since i have been accused of deception,poor grammar and all sorts with no relevance to my original post.

 
rsh01 wrote:
why can't the fatality list be updated by forum users, with just the v basic info listed (as long as consented by family etc with no subjectivity), & can be monitored by forum administrators?
its affectively done already in "incidents".
& doesnt have to be portrayed as being complete. although not a v useful stat on its own (e.g. deaths per jumps wld be gd), but deaths per number of jumpers fairly useful and cld loosely infer deaths per jumps by doing sample survey on here annually of how many jumps done per member.
i wld be interested to see this, wld also be keen to compare (again as an estimate) vs other sports.
wonder if insurance companies cld then use as a yardstick to providing more accurate & perhaps cheaper premiums?

I am surprised that any took your post seriously.
As this apparently being your first post and you have no profile data.... Also what whats up with the teenie SMS text style, no proper capitalization etc.? Slop in one area of one's life will be seen as propagating to other areas...
My apologies if I am mistaken.
take care,
space

You are incorrect - they are interested. Especially during the stage of deciding whether or not to cover or to what extent. Insurance is all about statistics and probability (and PROFIT of course).

You need data for this. They collect all types of data - including outdoor sports.

Most of the time they are after trending data. i.e. there are more BASE jumpers taking out policies with us (you know - when BASE jumpers tell each other what policy to get), and there seems to be an increase in claims. Hence - how many jumpers jump (i.e potential market or business opportunity) versus how many potential accident, and what severity.

Risk is a function of frequency and severity.

"Statistics and damned lies".

All data is useful - to someone.

Why?

In risk and safety, there are many measures that will tell a group how it is functioning.
Two key measures are frequency and severity. If something is very frequent and very severe - then you need a much higher level of risk management to avoid the consequences. i.e. if the jump is too dangerous and 15 people died there, then don't do it! Unless of course you desire a high probability of death. Very high severity and low frequency may be a goer for experienced jumpers. Very low severity and high frequency would require some basic intervention or control (ie. teaching jumpers how to land their canopies and to use proper equipment).

etc

Frequency (i.e how many are getting hurt / killed) will give you and indication of how much effort you should put into corrective action - how to fix a problem.

Data in isolation can be misleading. But if you couple both quantitative data (1 in a 1000) and qualitive data (on that one occasion the person was blind drunk and should not have been jumping), it is very useul and will guide you in how to manage risks.

If you are not interested in risk management (whether formally or informally), then IMHO you should NOT be BASE jumping! Unless you have a death wish.

 

 

The BFL lacks the record on the fatality in Belarus, which is actually #131 while Shane is #132. I have sent the information to Splatula, and this document (great work, by the way) needs to be updated accordingly.

 

 

Great job you have done there. Thank you!

thanks mate

i have been working with mick from blinc and have set up this

http://www.blincmagazine.com/forum/wiki/Fatality+Statistics


but like i said it takes u guys 5 seconds to see if there is any nationalities that u can identify then please help out...

just need another 4 and i know there are people here who know there nationalities....but i think its the least we can do to keep the list up to date and in order,

And I have used that on the information page on this new web for Norwegian base. It is going to contain more infomation by time. I hope you guys using to forums and build up the FAQ with questions. I will collect my answers and post from the different forums, but as I said it takes some time. Please give feedback about what is missing.

http://basenorway.com/

There is reasons why people getting hurt, and do the same thing over and over again. Please be a good friend, and stop being what you think a good buddy by not telling him or her, this have to change. My friend have done to me, and I have done to my friends. We are not Ninjas or any other super heroes, we are just somebody who somebody is going to miss, and get hurt if something happens.

Hope you guys do not get tired of my continious typing about the same over and over. I think it is important! We do not do any ground braking actions anymore, we just copy what other have done.

A very detailed list indeed.

The only thing is that Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are 3 different independant countries since 1991 or so. A clear separation on these would lower the numbers per country.

Mexico was not an unknown exit point, it was at cañón del sumidero.

Ronald

There is no more BASE fatality list due to a couple of douche bags crying about it.

Jimmy Hall is the reason Nick DG stopped.

Jimmy Hall.

so... not to name names, Clair and jimmy holiday... Soo many people knew Jimmy, myself included. People who knew him cried at the loss, but to get the list shut down cause he made it???

Jimmy Hall is why Nick DG stopped the list. And its a few people crying about the list that its not done with the same heart as before.

I'm glad spatula took over, but after jimmy's death you can see its changed.

 

While a rundown of causes, jump types, and numbers by year is useful and makes one think, what useful information does the rundown by nationality contain?

DEATHS WORLDWIDE
37 AMERICA
22 SWITZERLAND
21 NORWAY
10 ITALY
08 FRANCE
06 RUSSIA
06 AUSTRALIA
04 U.K
03 UKRAINE
03 BRAZIL
02 AUSTRIA
02 VENEZUAELA
01 BELARUS
01 CANADA
01 SPAIN
01 CHINA
01 SWEDEN
01 GERMANY
01 BELGIUM
01 PUERTO RICO
01 NEW ZEALAND
01 MEXICO

Is it 37 times more dangerous to be an American than Mexican?

 

Was (W#9) really a wingsuit?
I thought it was tracking?

Yep really helpful stat that......there could be 5 million American jumpers and only 1 Mexican. Americans could be really lucky, though unlikely....

Rick Stanley, who died jumping NRGB, was Canadian, not American. He lived in Kitchener area and jumped at the Parachute School of Toronto, near Arthur, Ontario. Also you list the death as happening Jan 1st, it actually happened during the Freak Brother Convention in the summer, don't remember exactly the date.

Also, I don't know what Shane McConkey had on his passport, but he was born in Vancouver, too. Maybe he had naturalized, I don't know.

UPDATED
21ST OF AUGHUST

I used to do a detailed analysis of the fatality data as it came out. It was very useful as you could clearly tell the riskiest jumps, safest jumps, etc...

You could also see the inherent risk in the sport from the section on unavoidable deaths (everything done correctly, jump within abilities of jumper, conditions okay, etc...) where the jumper died despite being a careful basejumper (oxymoron).

It was very useful, it resulted in me choosing to quit BASE when I had kids as I wasn't comfortably with the risks when I was risking leaving my wife and kids behind.

I think the list was very useful for those who wanted to really assess the risks and try at least to play it safe.

One of the really interesting things was the proof that antennae while shit scary to jump, were the safest by far if you had a tailwind.

Statistics are only as good as the data used to prepare them and with the gap in the data for the last few years I doubt anyone could update my tables.

Hi there! I'm wondering who is the Mexican one?

As far as I know there are no Mexicans BASE jumpers death by now ant we were at the sport for more tahn 10 years. We had bad incidents but not casualties yet.

In the other hand is better to be a Mexican rather than an American because here in Mexico we're only 4 BASE jumpers (in a 125 million habitants) and only 2 we're active.

Dx

Hey Jaime,

Mexican one is Adam Gibson who went in at the GoFast event at cañón del sumidero.
Adam is Australian but the accident happened in Mexico.

hey mate if you check here it might make more sense..

http://www.blincmagazine.com/.../Fatality_Statistics

scroll down to mexico and you can see where and who..

nice to know how many mexicans are running..

seldomseen mark, not sure if we've met so I'll refrain from judging you for what is a pretty gay post, but...

The list came down for whatever reason... I imagine there were several. However, after Jimmy died the description of the incident was so grotesquely erroneous that people asked the list holder to change it.

He didn't change it, which made him look like a complete fucking dusche - and so he got the fucking duschebag ashtray urinefart treatment from several people. Act like a dusche, get treated like one, HIDGAF who you are.