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We have a local college kid running around on some of our favorite objects posting pictures all over the internet--he is not a BASE jumper. At some other city, which I don't recognize, he lit fireworks from the top of an under construction B. Most of what he's done is local to our area. Several of our local jumpers are worried about it. I was particularly worried when my most local O was on his website that is mere blocks from where I live. I think if anyone from the construction companies sees it it's going to cause access to be an issue.

I've tried to get in touch with him before, but I'm not sure how responsive he is to my recommendations.

try to talk some sense into him. If not, a beating is in order. Or you can try to offer him a blowjob.

violence IS always the answer... I haven't seen a good tar/feathering in ages!

Thanks Paul, I'll let him know you offered!

That sucks dude, but I am confused...

If he is not a BASE jumper then why
is this douche doing these activites?

I mean all of my whuffo friends and
most of my skydiver friends think I
am fucking nuts to climb objects at
4:00 in the morning to jump...

but to do it just to behave sophmoric?

ever hear of urban explorers ? Well the REAL ones have the same code of ethics as BASE jumpers - get in, get out, take only memories, keep the objects safe. Then there's just kids who just want to have fun. There's a certain abandoned B that we jump and it's not uncommon to bump into kids/young adults scoping it out. All of them think it's cool as fuck what we do, and they seem to be speaking same language as us. I am sure every crowd has a few bad apples. Some just don't realize what their actions may lead to, others just don't give a fuck - think the all time favorite Johns - Agnos and Vincent :)

Post his home and cell phone numbers for all to see. I am sure the non stop barrage of phone calls at crazy hours will drive the point across, or at least make him change his numbers so we can repeat the process.

ever hear of urban explorers?

No, not really... but I did hear of
a thing where people play some
game using GPS coordinates.

But your explanation does make
sense to me, thanks dude.

So yeah, the original posters
should take steps to take this
kid down a notch or two.

I regularly talk to an uraban explorer, he sent me picks and even a lock to practice on. Valuable people to know, i've seen pictures from the top of B's that look like they really shouldn't be on.

Very cool man.

I have practiced with picks and locks
at 2 different BASE jumpers houses.

I will have his address in a day or so.

Peace,
Pauly

I can't find that website... maybe you have it... the one he posted the pics in...?

Get it via PM. That way you won't be posting the link here and publicizing it more.

I figured that was infered (common sense)

he took down the pics of easily accessed stuff but wants to leave up picks of the more permenant stuff. pretty cool of him I think.

sweet.

now perhaps he can help you with access.

and to those who proposed violence, over having a talk....

The best thing you could do is treat this (meeting an Urban Explorer) as an opportunity (an ace camera and access resource). You both have a lot to offer each other. Think about it.
I understand the "Urban Explorer". I started at age 12.
In general, asking for advice will get one a lot further in the gambit than being confrontational. You ask for advice. He asks you for advice and the door magically opens to work things out.
Take care,
space

Ive been an active BASE jumper and Urban Explorer for the last couple of years.
Ive found the 'core' of Uban Explorer's (UE'rs) to have very similiar ethics to that of a responsible BASE jumper.
The glaring and most confrontational difference is that UE'rs don't necessarily share the BASE communities views on the 'no site naming' rule......its part of what they do.

Whilst that will remain a huge point of contention, it shouldnt stand in the way of establishing relations between the two groups.
UE ( over here) has exploded in the last few years....just as BASE has.
Its not going to go away any time soon.....and in balance they have just as much 'right' to use our urban objects.....as we do

Being part of of both communities has caused a conflict in what I do....but thats greatly outweighed by the benefits of being part of both communities.
As a BASE jumper Ive had unprecedented help from the UE community with leads, access and local hospitality .On the other side of the coin, I have been able to share ( in a non confrontational way) what BASE is about, and why we feel the way we do on 'our' views on site naming/ethics
Has it worked ?....well yes....on more than a few occasions Ive asked 'my' UE community to back off certain objects for a while, or keep them quiet and everytime....Ive had nothing other than a positive, helpful response.
Do I post my UE adventures online?
......absolutely
I enjoy the infiltration, I enjoy the views I get inside places I dont get to see everyday ,or the views of our city(s) from the tops of buildings , I enjoy the photography I practice there .....and I like sharing that with like minded individuals.
Childish ? Attention seeking ? ......not at all , I'm sharing an activity I enjoy doing with like minded individuals, who share with me.
UE has added very useful tools to my urban BASE skill set, as well as improved my photography ability.

But UE causes sites to get shut down doesnt it ?
Well I can think of at least two large buildings in London that for at least a year and a half have been frequented by both UE'rs and BASE jumpers.
Both remained opened for a long long time for both groups....despite numerous visits and public online pictures ( in UE/building forums) clearly naming the structures.
There are many more examples.
Most of these are structures are in transit....objects where access isnt permanant....just opportunistic or time limited.
If they do get closed down ( and I'm not aware of any jump able object I have used that has been 'closed' as a direct result of UE'rs getting the object burnt)...well there are plenty more to find....if you are prepared to put in the effort , and that for me is the trade off
As a UE'r you might see some of my pictures of a rooftop online.....but I'm also putting in more than my fair share of time and effort establishing access to new rooftops, or re establishing access to other jump able locations....and sharing them with other BASE jumpers.

I don't think its right to share our more permanent objects with the UE community.....but be sure , they will be out there looking for them....and when they do find them, having a good relationship with that group is going to be your best bet for ensuring its longevity, rather than approaching them with a more aggressive stance.

As already stated, there is a huge benefit to you as a jumper to be 'onside' with the local, responsible UE'rs
A guy running around a rooftop at night....lighting fireworks.....isnt one of those people.

Know what you're saying... but there's a difference in the "ease" in which a jump-able building can be replaced (hard) versus a building suitable for urban exploring (easier).

Indeed, there are hundreds if not thousands of buildings out there where we live... but only a fraction of those are suitable for BASE. So, we as a community should strive to stress on UErs that there are a certain sub-set of their buildings that we would rather were kept quiet.

A roof top view of London, from a 6th floor building is about as appealing to UE'rs as it is to BASE jumpers.

Maybe you misunderstand the motivation.
Its not about getting into 'any' building/building site.....its about access to a vantage point that gives a great view, something different from the usual vista's
That usually makes taller buildings the target.....and therefore, its not 'thousands' of other buildings they want to play on......its likely the same places as a BASE jumper finds appealing.

What would you say to them if they demanded stop jumping off buildings...and risking their access to them ?
I thought so... cooperation is the only way forward.


I'm conservative, at best, when it comes to building jumps.
But even so...I disagree with that statement.
I just wish I had more time and good weather...there is plenty suitable.
How hard are you looking ?? ;)

You misunderstood me. There are many more buildings out there that have great views, than those that also have landing areas. I agree with you about cooperation; I was just making the point that a building for UE is more easily replaced.

No I understood correctly...but i dont see it as the biggest bump in the road...locally
On the buildings that are high enough ...
Ive , personally, had bigger issues getting access to the tops of these buildings , compared to being able to easily access a roof level and have to walk away because of no suitable landing areas.
On the whole...getting up top remains the challenge

Of course there are buildings with no suitable LZ's
but there are not many buildings with a landing area the size of the landing area on the building I took you to do your first building jump......
But even being a very conservative jumper, I consider that LZ extremely generous and not indicative of a 'typical' urban landing area in this area