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last night..1100feet? A, trackpants, stepped off, 1-2-3-4-im not pulling-5-6-7-closed my eyes, waiting to go in-8-9-10-regret..panic dumped, landed in line stretch in the wood..unhurt, shaken....one experience richer..
peace out..

OK then! Good luck with that!

"pussy"
You must be a hell of a tracker, 11-seconds is like 1300feet.
Glad you made it.
peace.
~J

...yes i am, i know im the biggest pussy of all

Why do you want to die base jumping? There is better ways to go out!

Next time open your eyes I promise you will not pull to low!

yeah, and after you put the oxygen tank in the sharks mouth you shot it with a rifle and blew the shark to bits. then you and richard drefus swan to shore on drift wood.

my observation...you're just a 15 year old girl who cuts her wrists with a butter knife. if you wanted to go in, why did you were a rig. quit posting that bullshit on here.

go play russian roulette with a semi auto and a full magazine.

peace out!!!!

Why would you do that? You'd burn an object just so you can auger in wearing track pants?! Dress like a hiker for chrissakes and don't bother with the rig!

#1. Do NOT fucking kill yourself douche bag!!!

#2. Do NOT fucking kill yourself BASE jumping!!!

#3. Do NOT fucking kill yourself Skydiving!!!

#4. If you absolutely, positively have to kill
yourself cause life sucks, no pussy, no money,
whatever, then please go do it somewhere else.

Of course if this is a cry for help then give one of
your friends a call... or if do not have any friends
then call me: 850-222-5599

An idiot I used to skydive with blew his head off
w/ a shotgun cause he failed the bar a few times.
Friends tried to help him also... but it didn't work.
While I thought he was an asshole and his actions
confirmed it, his parents really did NOT deserve it!

I've been trying to interpret the no Personal Attack rule liberally. I still think we ought to avoid calling others things like douche bag... I've let it slide in other threads. I'd prefer seeing such expression be a bit more limited.

more importantly, the jumper in question claims to live in Europe. it might be an expensive call!

 
So if a skydiver leaves a note when he goes in on a no pull they leave him out of the stats for that year. Same thing if it's a plane crash, I don't agree so much with the second rule.

So how are we going to rack this guy up? I think it would be very unfair to the sport to muddy up the list with this. I mean we're talking 10% of the data points it just shoots the stats all to hell.

The logical extension of this is if I put a note in my rig, when I go in on nasty off heading fighting a 180 can I also be labled as outside the sport.

PERSERVE BASE JUMPING. COMMIT SUICIDE!

Lee

1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 567891011 still in the basement

Johan, "every little thing, is gonna be alright".

Life sucks ... then it doesn't. If it didn't suck sometimes, you'd forget how good it can be. Go do something else today and smile about something even if you don't want to.

Hey Bro,

If you landed at line stretch from 1100 feet and walked away, we have VERY different definitions of the term.

BASE359

sometimes i think more people would benefit from the Advisory Publication: Suicide; Getting It Right



Its Base Bitches

your not a pussy. your just obviously overwhelmed with your current life situation.
i know you miss your mate that died recently. dont join him brudda, not like this.
pm sent

Sounds like you failed. Keep trying.

Yeah, in 10 seconds you cover about 1140 feet, I think you count fast... or you track like a bird, but I bet I can guess which. Don't be an idiot, call Greenmachine or something, seriously, as much as I didn't like all of your shit-talking while Maggot was laid up, I still don't want to read about you killing yourself.

Johan: I'm really glad you are all right. I have only one thing to say to you, THIS TOO SHALL PASS.

You are not alone. I know all too well, from both both personal experience and from professional training, stresses can (and sometimes do) drive you right to the very brink. But I can assure you that, right at this very minute, the world is full of people who 'didn't quite do it,' and they are all happy that they didn't.

Please try to find your peace by talking to someone. And always remember, this too shall pass.

Jerry

Sorry for thinking he was fucking around.
Hope he's at peace now.
BSBD

Easy guys, he's obviously asking for help if the post is true to story/actual events. Somebody go pick this brother up and have a beer/chat with him.

A friend of his PM'd me...

It seems Johan may have succeeded

question: Did he burn anything??

No. The message I got was that he
off'd himself with a handful of pills...

I don't/didn't know Johan420 or the
person who sent me the PM. So this
might be BS or could be very sad.

If this is true, that sucks since a few
different people tried to offer sage
advice that life & feelings change!

I heard this song ...


... while watching Never, Never, Land.

that sucks if this is true!
i know some get pissed the way he tried to do it with base and all but come on man,... he's still a person.
it just kinda sucks seeing all the posts flaming a guy that really needed/needs help!
he just lost 2 friends recently from past posts.
very sad.

VERY well said bro!

An acquiantence, spelling?, of his emailed me and let me know today that Johan did indeed kill himself with o.d.. I know neither of them either. I was also told that on this particular jump he was not injury free, that he had facial and neck injuries, mostly superficial bleeding but nonetheless as close to the edge as one can get. kind of heresay for now, but what is unfolding...

when i first read this post i misinterpreted it. i hope that johan didn't as well. i believe that the BASE forum has become toxic. it offers little in the way of education or empathy.

to all of you who posted crass or snide remarks understand that johan didn't do this because of them. he was troubled and dealing with a miriad of issues that overwhelmed him in the end. he had reached a point where he may have felt death was a release. he was a really nice kid and i will miss him.

the next time you feel the urge to post or say something hateful think about the effect it might have on the recipient.

johan, energy is never lost and i know you're out there. say hi to your mom and sister for me.

see you at the exit point.

teresa

do you know the person who posts as "Johan420" personally ?

damn. the kid was crying out to the base community and look what he got. maybe its not why he killed himself but taunting and daring a suicidal person is truly sickening.
i love the unique edgy charcters in this sport but ya know sometimes people can just be cruel and heartless.
so sorry to all johan420's friends and family.
fly on brother.
very sad indeed.

yes.

He edited his own post yesterday?????

it gives me little pleasure to say the following, especially if it proves wrong...

johan420 was suspected of creating multiple identities on this website.

efforts have been made to identify this user for some time now, but have NOT turned up reliable sources who know him/her.

johan420 has posted comments admiring how Magot stirred up trouble on these forums. he stated he'd like to do something similar.

one user who PM'd regarding johan420's demise is also unknown.

it has been mentioned to me that possibly the alter ego represented by johan420 has passed, not the individual.

honestly, I do NOT know what is true.
it is truely sad if someone intentionally took their own life. whuffos claim we have a death wish, so the topic tends to be a raw nerve with many.

I just wish we could identify the person associated with either the johan420 identity or the one claiming to have been there. or have a known user confirm the tragedy.

as far as I can tell, this could be a escalated copycat oh NickDG's "I'm selling my BASE number" thread.

truth or fiction? I'm not sure which one bothers me more...

 
I don't know this guy. I don't know any thing about his problems. And it remains to be seen if this story is fictional or tragic. I'm going to make some general comments on the subject of choice.

I remember reading a book called Fear and Trembling. It's the story of Aberham. It's an examination of morality, ethics, devotion to God, etc. I remember one line, a statement made in passing. I tryed to look it up so I could quote it for you but I couldn't find it online. as I recal it said that you are not a human being till you have seriously examined the question of suicide. Basicly it implied that you are not a fully contious and aware being till you have examined your own mortality. Most people are absorbed by the joys and sorrow of every day life. At some point every one must look deeper within and address question of the meaning and purpose of there life. No one can say what demons they may meet within them selves when they are all alone in the night. And they are alone. It's a personal journy. The truth is that you can not help them. They must come to grips with this them selves. Some people will survive this, others will not. Don't delude your self in to thinking you can sway the out come in a battle they can only fight themselves.

Lee

Yes, try in deed!

I agree with you a lot, I made me first base jump three years ago and I didn't post anything on the forums until recently because of the responses that can sometimes occur. Even now I think about what kind of response I will get before I post. My deepest regrets go out to our friend and I am sure he will be missed by many.

If that would be true, why should we need psychiatrist/psychologists?

Fly free johan...but i am still hope your are only a troll with a very bad taste.

Rest in peace Johan.

I'm with Theresa on this one. Unfortunately, I am here in the states and he was, in fact, in Europe. I couldn't offer the true shoulder he needed. He and I had been PMing for the past year and a half and he was an absolutely lovely person (he had even offered me a place to stay if I got over to his part of the world) and got really messed up from his most recent friend that died. We had PM'ed back and forth through this friend's death and like Greeny, I had offered him my phone number to talk and pleaded with him to not exit life like this. I shared some things going on in my life for the past two years and many times felt things couldn't get worse and at times, they indeed did...I'm just not a quitter and taking myself out is not an option...things have to get better.

I guess he found the end to his pain. This is very sad.

Rest in peace, man.
Kaye

I hate to be cynic on this one, but with the amount of crap that "johan420" has posted - why are all the people so fast to believe that in fact a real person has taken their life ?

Why are all the confirmations done by people who "know him" though PMs from a different continent ?

Why dont you tell us where he came from and his name! You should know since you had such good contact with him for so long!

RIP

I never write on these forums, but felt the need to on this one.

This year a friend of mine who was also a very active BASE jumper took his own life one night at home alone. We could of only wished for a sign that he was struggling with life while he was still with us, so that we could have reached out to help him.
It was a very sad thing to see his parents, friends and loved ones at his funeral.I hope you never have to experience anything like that with people you love.

To the people who recconized this as a cry for help and tried to reach out to him, rather then writing a stupid remark, I thank you very much for being real people who are looking out for one another.

As for the people that we're writing negative messages to him, I really hope you will think twice next time something like this comes up again.If a close friend, relative or even an acquaintance lead you to believe they were going to kill themselves, would you nag them on?push them until they did it?

I know its easy to just write anything on here to anyone because you don't know them, might never know them and or never have to go to their funeral when its all over.But just think of your own friends, family and crew and how much they would miss you and the feelings of guilt, unrest, sadness and all the other miserable feelings that they would be left behind with.The feeling that come with a lose like this are like none other.Truly heart breaking.

Whether "johan420" is a real person, or just an alter ego, the topic of suicide has definitely been a strong enough subject to get this many people involved and I hope everyone will come out having a different perspective on this issue and ways to deal these kind of "signs" with people they know, or even random strangers.

So please don't push people who are already feeling like they are at their end right out, because you never know when it might be your friend sending out that cry for help over a forum somewhere.You wouldn't want to be that person sending them a bad reply..... would you?

My deepest sympathy goes to all friends and family of johan420.

In my carrier I have been around more suicidal and drug addict personalities than I can count on my two hands! People who really want to end their lives can not be saved! People who just want to scare people and want some attention get feed by people give them pithiness! Sorry to seem hash but thats life. Life is good sometime, and then you just have to deal with the shit like everyone else!

The pithy is some of the jumpers is driven by suicidal almost dying on every jump, and make the statistic look like shit! There is nothing wrong about pushing the limits, but I would say 50 % of the accidents on the list could be referred to a kind of suicidal!

My best friend of 14 years, someone I spent everyday of my life with, who I have tattoed on my arm waking into the sunset with me took his own life and i had to cut him out of the tree he was in with his dad. Bottom line, I loved him, I wish I could have stopped it, I wish I could have been the reason to keep fighting the torment in his life, but he climbed a tree, put an extension cord around his neck, and jumped. He did it, he didn't want to try anymore, HE QUIT, on life and his friends and family. Once a person gets this in there head there is no stopping it and it just hurts. What Johan did was his choice, miss him if you knew him, if not let it be. Rest peacefully as you wanted it Johan.

Sorry to hear this turned out this way
Truly sad.

BSBD Johan

RIP

Artist and friend Ralph Steadman wrote on Hunter S. Thompson:

"...He told me 25 years ago that he would feel real trapped if he didn't know that he could commit suicide at any moment. I don't know if that is brave or stupid or what, but it was inevitable."

I would feel real trapped if I didn't know that I could go low on any given jump.

I have my wife, a companion now, children, basically people I can talk to and people who look up to me.
Sometimes this is a real shitty world and at many stages before I have wanted to say "fuck it I am not staying here!" And if you don't have anyone it's just that much easier to take it to the next step.

I had a similar reaction to yours when my brother tried to take his life in high school. Only later on in life after my father and sister had died did I learn that something had happened during his childhood; I remembered the place and time and the fact that I ran home when what I never thought or knew happened actually happened. I used to get really pissed off with him when he went throuh his coke and crack phase and threw him out of my house when he was drunk and obnoxious and smoking joints in front of the kids. Then I would get pissed off with my Mother when she would tell me to just leave it. I just thought him to have become a freeloader and had no idea what had really been going on in his head. Things have luckily turned out ok for him now;he is married and has just recently had twins; boy and girl. We talk and I don't think I would ever have forgiven myself had things turned otherwise.

I don't think we can judge; yes life is hard but some have had it harder than others.

This is a forum; a BASE board; there is no ways anyone of us could possibly even begin to understand Johan or what he might have been going through.

So even if you don't do it, write about it or brag about it, isn't it nice to know that you can, on any given jump, go low?

@434 suicide wish is not suicide wish!

It makes a huge difference if a person have a death wish after or in a depressive/psychotic episode in her life, or if she after 10 years of suffering come to the decision to commit suicide.

In the first case we have very good chances to help this person through this shit with talking, human contact. (and also today good working medical)

P.S. Every year in germany 55000 people try to commit suicide and 11000 are succesful!
The estimated number of unreported cases are aprox. 5x higher.

We have aprox. 82 million citizen here.

Edit: TALK with depressive people you could rescue her live!

This post is not in response to johan’s suicide and whether it is fiction or non-fiction, but rather it is in response to the idea that we have power to “rescue” someone who is suicidal. Most of us have had someone in our life or at minimum contact with someone who has been suicidal. There is a huge difference however with someone who has suicidal ideation and someone who is actively suicidal. Suicidal ideation being the thought process involved in possessing ideas to kill oneself. Whereas, true suicidal intention is having an active strategy, including means and plan: the place, the time, the location, and how (gun, pills, hanging). In agreement with Waldschrat, if someone is suicidal due to a psychotic episode or delusional mental illness, the difference is great. That is suicidal ideation as a result of a mental illness, again not pertaining to active suicidality and the chances of helping that individual are in fact greater because of medical intervention, such as medication and hospitalization. But if someone is actively suicidal from something other than a diagnosable mental illness, statistically, there is very little anyone can do to help, let alone rescue. At best, one can witness the pain the individual is experiencing but if someone really wants to take their life, they will do so regardless of the interventions or best intentions that those in their lives have. Besides, if someone is truly suicidal and suffering so intensely that they wish to take their own life is it really our place to selfishly try to keep them alive, let alone rescue? That makes the gross assumption that we are so powerful to do such, which is greatly inaccurate and an impossible feat.

Gary Begley
www.garybegleysports.com

I can`t believe what some of your posters write in this thread...how can you guys look your self in the mirror??? i wish one of the moderators could remove the whole thread, it`s just a sad story.....
Maybe i should print it and send it to your parents...

I can delete the thread. feel free to PM me. I'd be happy to discuss the options.

as for the thread content, I think people have been mighty kind trying to reach out to those in despair. they have expressed much sympathy.

When i receive a pm like this..im not sure what to do

Re: your post on johan

From: xxxxxxxx
Date Sent:
Oct 2, 2008, 5:48 AM
Maybe you shouldn't go base jumping with someone who is trying to kill them self.
Maybe we should blame you for not realizing he was in this state of mind.
Maybe he should try it next time with a wingsuit, either he lands it and gets famous, or he finishes the job.
Peace
xx


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Killing Killer Whales since 92

Just that...that post by xxxxxxxx alone shows his true character, someone who's not likely gonna be there for you in a crisis.

 
I'm a little confused. Are you some one who knew and jumped with this person?
As too the responces, they are pretty harsh. I don't find that supprising. You're talking about an audence that is actively engaged in liveing there lives to the fullest. I've seen a lot of people die doing what they loved. When you hear about someone killing them selves intentionaly people have diffrent reactions. I can't speek for other jumpers. I tend to have mixed feeling. Too some degree I can understand but my reaction tends to be colored with a certin amount of distain. When you've seen people fight so hard to stay alive the idea of some one bowing out of the game... I'm trying to think of another word then contempt. Well you already know I'm not a very nice person. Don't hold your breath on getting a lot of sempathy out of this crowd.
You seem disterbed by this PM you receaved and I would say that it's out of line. The whole point I was trying to make earlier, and it seems to have been shared by others, is that you are in fact helpless. That you're not to blame because there really isn't anything you or any one else can do to help such a person. These are battles they must fight alone withen them selves. It represents the ultament example of free will and chioce in ones destany. It is in fact the freedom we all fight for taken to the ultament extream.
Now nobody likes to hear this. It's about as none PC a stance as you can take. I have this problem with honesty. I tend to say the true thing rather then the right thing. I guess I'm just an ass hole.
You can shut this thread down. But is this topic any less real then some of the fluff posted on here? You can ban me and others from this board. We deal with loss and greaf far more offten then the adverage woofo. I quit counting dead friend after I ran out of fingures and tows. We're not as shocked by it as... well normal people. I don't know if that makes us stronger or weaker, less or more. But don't expect people that stand around cassually discussing the finer points of rigging and gear design as they stand next to a body that's been broken open like a ripe tomato pokeing at bits of the rig while trying not to get any of the icky stuff on there shues to be any thing but blunt. If we were sensative we wouldn't still be here.
And while I'm being a createn... anybody know what's happening to his gear?

Lee

I edited out the name of the person who sent you that PM. the "P" does stand for "Personal." PM's are not meant to be made public.

as for what to do...
I'm asking that myself.

please read johan420's posts and you'll find he meant to annoy people. granted, he thought himself funny. he would act anti-socially. he never took these forums seriously.

so far, you are the only person I can find that knew or jumped with him. no one else has come forward. strange, as you come from a relatively small country.

some people doubted johan420 even jumped because he displayed little knowledge.

there is also doubt about this tragedy. no one can confirm it, as no one knows who johan420 is. normally all sorts of people are posting memories, pictures, etc.

so as you stated "im not sure what to do."

if you do not want to reveal details publicly, send them to me via PM. if you want to send a link, fine. I'm sure I can find someone to translate it. until then, I'll remain doubtful.

Most of the time people are not born killers, just the same as most do not wish to kill themselves. So I will ask you; Why would you not want to help someone in need, reguardless of the medical info you provided? Why wouldn't you want to at least try, maybe you (or a team of friends) could assist this person? I assume you are not a heartless individual, but maybe I read your post wrong?

Even stranger, since they are posting from the same computer.

In response to leroydb, yes, you clearly did read the post incorrectly. first, i never stated that people are natural born killers, killers are a different category, ie. sociopathic. taking ones life is not the same as being a killer, and yes, i agree most people are not born killers or come to this world wanting to kill themselves. Effort is a noble thing, however, usually not going to change someone's intention if they are truly suicidal. perhaps the use of the world selfish threw you for a loop and made you question the hearltess individual component, not heartless, just realistic and statistically in the know. thanks for asking for clarity.


Gary Begley

editor's note: there are a lot of brilliant resources out there to educate oneself on suicidality other than the BASE forum.

Ok even if this should be only a troll, with a very bad taste, i find the thread quite interesting.

Also because i am in a hospital since today (varices resection) laying here with all this sick and old people, with problems much larger then mine and discussing suicide with you.

how do you know they are using the same computer?
i think if this is a troll the guys sicker than someone suicidal. suicide at least has a purpose.
i alos just noticed 0570 only registered one day before this suspected johan suicide.
im pretty convinved its all bullshit. only people that claim to have known him were through pm's or phone. i bet it was 0570 that pm'd people the "sad news"

that's right, it was 0570 who p.m.
'd me. If a hoax, that motherfucker deserves to fucking die.

hilarious

Moderators and administrators can see the IP address from which posts originate. Posts from different user accounts with the same originating IP address have a high probability of being the same person logged in under different account.

So why don't the mods post the IP address so that someone can figure out where these posts are coming from?

So you don't neo trace it and kick the guy's 15 year old ass.

Follow the white rabbit. . .

Why would we need to post the addresses to figure out that someone is coming from, for example, a Comcast address, probably a residential cable modem, in the area of, just for example, Miami, Florida?

I like my story better.

sure, Ill go.

You cracked the IRS' dbase?

I thought you were a guy.

Actually, littlestranger said here that she knew him personally.

Now I'm curious, does/did he ever really exist?

she then, via PM never confirmed knowing "him" in person - she just claimed to know that he "was depressed". She is in TX, "he" is in Norway...

OHOY FUCKERS IM BACK FROM THE DEATH!!!!

Im sorry to put littlestranger and specialkaye to the test...but to all other posters FUCK YOU ALL!!
no regret!!!
I really enjoy your stupid and heartless post..
good day!!

The plot thickens.

Unfortunately, the forum engine lacks a very convenient feature - ignore list.

So I am allowed to call him a fucking douche bag now?!?

Enough.

It's pretty clear to me that about 10 usernames (havensiangst, Johan420, blunderguff, cliffstrike, NorBASE, 0570, and more) were all created by the same person to troll these forums. No jumper had actually met this person in real life. I've disabled all of his usernames. I'm sure he'll be back again, and I'll start disabling the usernames as soon as I identify them.