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Ive been thinking recently. Suppose i were to start wingsuit base jumping off a antenna before making a terminal base jump. Before you bash and rant here me out. I'm completely comfortable in a wingsuit. Ive done slider up but not terminal, my BASE exits have been solid so far, I dump low on every ws skydive, and ran into just about every mal(spun up, hard pull, pc in tow, baglock, etc. and i have fixed my issues rather than chop because im usually below my harddeck) Ive also done helicopter exits with my suit. Plus i have been really relaxed in every harry situation i have been in so im not too worried about the jump. I was just wondering has anyone else done this? Wouldn't it be safer and easier to learn, because lets face it WS Base is a entirely different beast. In my opinion it would be because, you wouldn't have the thoughts and visuals of a regular terminal jump effecting your judgment. All people are different and this option may not be the safest for some people in our society of craziness, but i am going to give it a go. You can tell me im retarded , bash me or whatever. I don't really care im jumping regardless, so useful responses from people who have gone this route would be appreciated. Or if you just want to throw down your thoughts thats cool too.

I would think it falls on the side of bad idea. The main challenge I faced learning to WS was when and how to open the leg wing. Too early and you go over the front, too late and you backslide into the antenna. These decisions occur at 6-8 seconds, an area that you have little or no experience in. 20-30 terminal tracking suit jumps will make you comfortable in this steep, uncertain area.
I would also recommend an overhung, rather than vertical object for your first WS jump.
The recent fatality underscores the fact that experience can be the difference.
There is no need to rush, and tracking is fun, like tranny hookers!

Im not into tranny hookers, so thats not going to work. Im not worried about the exit, and opening of the wing. Its all about flying my suit, which i can do pretty good. Not the best, but i think i can handle the dead air exits. as far as the steep exit situation. Ive flown a exit out from head down no prob on my first ws heli jump. On the other ones I managed to keep stable with rotor wash, and its not hard. Just fly the air around the suit, and know what your suit can do. As far as concern on object. You suggest overhung rather than vertical. I haven't found any curved antennas, and i haven't found any cliffs that allow the wind to blow me away from it. I would rather have a tailwind pushing me away from the object. Just some thoughts, but thanks for the info. As far as your reference to the recent fatality, i don't plan on jumping from what sounds like is the sketchiest exit point on the planet. Plus the way i look at things there is nothing you can do to prolong your life , so why wait. Like i said its not for everyone.

If you've something big enough to wing suit around san antonio I'll come out and groud crew or just watch.

I'd like to take my wingsuit off of something tall one day but all I've got is heli flights for now. 10ish seconds of headdownish flight may not seem like much out of a chopper but it's a long long way.

I'd say give it a shot, but I'm not a BASE jumper either.

You're in Texas right? I say go for it. It sounds like you're an amazing W/S pilot who has sorted out many potential problems while skydiving under a set altitude. Jumping a wingsuit off a solid object is nearly the same thing and terminal tracking jumps are totally over-rated. It sounds like your mind is made up anyway... so thanks for stating you Darwin Award potential.

@ the original poster: It sounds like a bad idea to me. Why not just make some non-WS jumps first? The tower isn't going anywhere, and if you're running the elevator you ought to be able to make 10 or 12 jumps in a week anyway, so it won't hold you up too long.

In general, I'm a big believer in adding one new thing at a time. Why do your first terminal jump and your first wingsuit jump at the same time?


A good tailwind will make an antenna much safer than any cliff.

I think that a good terminal antenna with an elevator and a tailwind is the ideal object for learning wingsuit BASE. It allows you to make repeated jumps in a short time, and is just high enough to let you focus on the really critical part of the jump (the launch and acceleration to terminal), letting you practice the terminal flight from an aircraft.

When I did my first wingsuit BASE flights, I made a trip to an antenna that was remote enough to run the elevator during the day, stayed for a long weekend, and left with my first 20 BASE wingsuit flights done, and the really dangerous part of the learning curve over.

launching a ws in a stable manor and gliding away from the object is a simple thing. no problem, really. all the mals you mention are skydiving related and rarely happen with base gear as you know. i wouldn't think twice about the safety of such a jump. the performance though...
if your goal is to jump the suit and survive, tracking jumps are a waste of time.
if the goal is to learn to fly your body in a base environment with the help of a ws, i believe tracking jumps are an efficient shortcut on the learning curve. at least for those of us who never skydived the suit.

anyway, enjoy:)

I say go for it if you're really that comfortable in your wingsuit. I went to Kjerag last year with the intention of doing my first terminal jump with my wingsuit. When I got there I let myself get talked into doing my first one without the wings. I took the wingsuit on my second jump and afterwards I wished I'd took it on the first one. Kind of felt like I wasted a jump going without it.

Have fun!

ps- If you've really got an elevator, I'd love to come down and do some 2 ways with you. Send me a PM if it's a possibility..

I suppose this is a silly question because no one has asked yet, but how many wingsuit jumps do you have, what type of suit, and how high of an antennae? If you say 200, a phantom, and 2000 feet itll be a different answer than if you say 30, mach1 and 1200.

it's another TEAM EXTREME "look at me , I jump from things"

http://www.airjunkybase.com/
http://www.dropzone.com/...sername=travisjones;

Personally I think Travijones's proposition is foolish.

Hmm, indeed. Very interesting. With thats not a whole lot of jump numbers to be offering future 2 pin rigs and wingsuits for sale. I kind question either your stability at pull, condition or gear, or packing ability it youve had that many problems in not a ton of wingsuit jumps. But hey, wingsuit base is fun, so just be careful and make sure you have the right equipment, and read the bulletins about people who pull low because of lack of ground rush.

If you have to ask, it is a bad idea..

ran into just about every mal(spun up, hard pull, pc in tow, baglock, etc. and i have fixed my issues rather than chop because im usually below my harddeck
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hard pull and pc in tow sound like closing loop too tight ?
If you have that much problem with you gear you need to talk to master rigger on that.

i have been really relaxed in every harry situation i have been in so im not too worried about the jump.
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if you really are not worried abut the jump you wont be posting it here
there have been other ws base jumpe with thousand's of base jump felt same way tell some thing when wrong and did not make it out of the situation
if you going to do it just don't take it low pull higher and see where you are at and work you way down, start slow you live longer

This is a very good advice coming from experience and good judgement. Why not take note of it?


If you don't wan't to listen to the people's opinion, don't ask them and go for it. Again, it's a bad idea.

It's not about flying your suit in the first 3 seconds, you don't fly. It's about getting perfectly stable in a position that allow a laminar airflow making your suit fly, while being perfectly confident that you're going to get good results 100 time in 100 jumps.

Launching a WS in dead air in direct proximity of an object needs appropriate skills. It's not that hard to learn. You just need to do it the proper way. You can go for it and become unstable on your 14th WS from your antenna, scare yourself and stop basejumping (then, what's the point, isn't it all about enjoying the sport for the longest possible time?), or die.

I'm a firm believer in overhung cliffs, going to itw or norway is a really good idea to start WS, but you can do without it with proper preparation and preferably a really experienced WS basejumper with you.


My advice is to go this way:

You have a terminal antenna that's going to be there for a while.

1) Do slider up jumps from where you want. You already got this one.

2) Do 10 or 20 jumps from your antenna with tracking gear. I mean _huge_ tracking pant.
First, it helps you dealing with head low exits due to big leg area.
Second, you improve your tracking skills.
Third, from your terminal antenna, you're going to have a lot of fun and a darn cool visual.

3) When you feel ready, fly your suit. Relax on exitpoint.
Stay loose. That's the point.
Jump with arm wings opened, with a loose tension on them, keep your legs closed, knees bent. When you feel the wind on your arms, slowly open your legwings, keep your knees a little bent for a while and really stay loose on all your body while getting stability.
Overdriving a wingsuit on exit is easy and sketchy.
If you go head low, don't panic. You have a lot of leg area to correct it, just wait for the airspeed, keep your eyes looking high. And use the skills that you learned to master in point 2).

4) (edit:forgot this one) PULL FU***N HIGH, keep flying, and throw your 38" far away !



Think about it. What jump do you enjoy the most? The first scary jump of a new object in bad weather conditions or the sweet relaxed one on sunset on your favorite object?
Enjoy the sport, allow yourself to progess slowly, but for a long time!

what about borrow a 2-piece suit like a Prodigy1 or 2 for a start...this allows more fuckups than a 1 piece suit with bigger wings..just to get use with this type of jumps..

The prodigy is definately THE tool for base.

No worries about booties or arm releasing system to get the commands, not restrictive in movements, feels like classic freefall if you let the wings go and tuck you legs together, easy to recover, easy to put on on exit point.

And still, it opens a whole world of new exits when you get to fly it properly.

Okay, maybe there's still 1/10 of the WS jumps that demand more performance, but they're more like "super hardcore" and I wouldn't be doing them with whatever other high-tech-sci-fi antigravity suit anyways : - )

I like being foolish who doesnt. And thanks for posting links to my profile and webpage it will help me in the future. Man, I only have one video on you tube and i want to put all of them on there. Im so extreme, probably more extreme than you and thats why your jealous. Im going to go dayblaze every tower and tag them while im at it. When i leave ill call the cops for the hell of it and burn the site down. Then i will get some hot chicks and have a BASE party on top of el cap, leaving beer cans everywhere. And when im really wasted ill jump, but only if there is video. I will never jump unless there is video. Everyone should see me jump .........Get a life, If all you want to do is ridicule me go ahead. I don't really care. I was just asking for useful information on a particular topic that is called WS base. I didnt ask " Hey look at me im a retard tell me how to jump, Im not capable of doing anything out of the norm, because im a to stupid to gather all necessary information to make a safe un-normal jump." I do appreciate the people who posted in a nice manner. Ill send PM's ........ . By the way 200+- Ws jumps, Phantom, 1560'.

quotes such as that make it appear that you are NOT open to discussion. if every respondent said it was black death, would you dismiss them as not useful? do you only listen to people who think like you?

p.s.
my only advice is to not die.

lucifer, tom, i'd like to thank you and all of the other BASE jumpers that provided constructive criticism and guidance to my friend travis. without posts like yours the BASE forum is a moot point.

for all you pretentious individuals who choose to mock as oppose to instruct...ya'll really need to get a purpose.

Thats not what i meant but know i can see how i might have com across that way. I was looking for advice, and i will learn from all the information presented to me. I am open for constructive criticism its a good way to learn. I will listen and take in any info that someone says and will put it to good use. If every respondent said it was black death i would consider going a different route, but i have got some pretty helpful responses so far. In my mind this post is generating all the info i am looking for. In other words when im done jacking around in cyber space im going to hook up my ws to my rig and go jump, bashing me wont keep me from jumping. But a few words of advice might help me out.

I will take your advice and try not to die.
Thanks

How about the first scary jump on a new object in good weather conditions? That's my favorite jump...

Dude, you come here with a huge attitude "All people are different and this option may not be the safest for some people in our society of craziness, but i am going to give it a go. You can tell me im retarded , bash me or whatever. I don't really care im jumping regardless, so useful responses from people who have gone this route would be appreciated"
your website lists all you "unique group of individuals whos purpose on earth is to stretch human flight beyond imagination. Lead by an underlying drive to push the envelope beyond extreme. We step off the edge into the playground of the gods. This is where we belong. The silence, the rush, the fear".

Based on that I am concluding that your decision is foolish aka you are more "want" than "need". I can repeat what everybody else said, but what's the point ?

you also mention "Or if you just want to throw down your thoughts thats cool too.". Yet, when I throw out my thought of your foolishness you get the holier than though attitude and get all maggot-like, which BTW is unrepeatable.

here's a few more thoughts for you :

Is there a good exit platform on the antenna ? If not, it will be a major bitch and VERY sketchy.
Climb or elevator ? Putting a WS on without a platform is a huge deal. Climbing in a WS is a major PITA, not even sure if it can be done with a Phantom.
Is this gonna be a night jump ? Think of the variables you are changing : Terminal BASE jump, new object, first WS BASE jump, new/unknown exit point, new landing area. It's always best to change ONE variable at a time.

Ok, on a realistic standpoint - you are very likely to NOT die, and most likely will be fine. But this is still MANY TIMES hairier than if you would have just made this a tracking jump. So whatever you decide to do - good luck. But if you go in, at least we'll have something to offset the stats in Switzerland.

signed,

realist

200 ws - good
phantom - good
1560 - pretty good

the advice that I got on my first one was "dont f up the exit, and after the first 5 seconds its like any other wingsuit jump. Id say that was pretty accurate, but all i wanted to do was fly in a straight line and pull fairly high. good luck.

There are many ways to BASE jump, some jump trying to blur the line between life and death, others try and make it to 2000 jumps and beyond. Where do you think your approach sits?

Are you in such a rush that you have no time to make some normal slider up jumps? They aren't dangerous / cool / extreme enough for you?

I see it kinda of like eating cherries, I prefer to savor each one, where as you seem to like sticking em all in your mouth at the same time

Sure you'll probably be fine, i damn well hope so, but i also know a way you could do it safer too..

I read all the posts here, and sometimes wish I did not.

when people advise a stranger on an internet forum to slow down, it rarely is for any reason other than safety. it is hard to stoke an ego by encouraging caution. there is a good chance they have witnessed carnage and want to prevent more.

read Green Machine's post on another thread. he unexpected disturbed a bunch of roosting vultures. something new to you regularly crops up. thus, intentionally changing multiple variables greatly increases risk.

if you go and jump as stated, can you manage all the risks?

your attitude makes it sound as if it is not worth it unless you wear the wingsuit. (many people BASE and never have worn a wingsuit.) a hurry up and jump/progress attitude works in skydiving, but frequently has led to hospitals in BASE.

but, we are talking BASE. no one can tell you what to do. jump as you choose.

Travis,

My first terminal BASE jump was a in a V1 from the ITW.

IMO, 1560' Antenna(it has wires ?) is not worth jumping in a wingsuit, not for a first jump. You'll do what you want and this jump is survivable but not worth it in my opinion.

The fact is that unless you are head low next to an object and deal with it, you don't know how you are going to react. Possibly putting yourself in that situation on an antenna is a questionable decision. There are better places to do your first jump.

Good luck,
Kris

I understand what people are trying to say, and to me its not about proving anything to anyone. Its just something i really want to do. Whats so wrong with that. Its my choice I do savor all my jumps and every one is awesome. I just feel like jumping a wing suit off a tower. And when i feel like doing something im going do it. Not trying to boost my ego, or rush. I don't feel that im rushing anything, just learning a different way than most.

2-3 days at the bridge for FJC while running you mouth about going to Moab right after with very few jumps.

now this..... seems like a theme.
must have been a good year.

common sense isn't common

2-3 days at FJC? You obviously don't really know me. I have never taken a FJC. I was taught by a mentor last year. I i was there recently for fun. Whats wrong with going to Moab with around 50 Jumps? I thought that was the recommended number. Oh but wait. Im retarded and just going their to prove that i am the most extreme. Cameras rolling or i cant jump.

Dont listen to whats his name (you know) and don't burn that site biotch.

Word.

Peace out Bitches, Wish me luck. I think i have gotten all the info i need. Thanks to all who didn't use my web page to try and slander me(It really hurt, almost made me cry), and also thanks to those who weren't dick heads. I know which people im inviting down to the vator. Im off to huck it with the suit after i smoke this hydroponic cronic Blunt.


Signed
Crazy Bastard

either somebody stole your password and is having fun or you are truly a statistic waiting to happen. There have been plenty like you who are now limping around.

THE OBJECTS ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE

Nope its all me. The objects may not be going anywhere, but i could also die in a car wreck tomorrow. Life is to short to waist.

The West Coast has Kush.

The East Coast has Diesel (except Miami where all the Cubans grow shit weed).

What do people grow in Texas?

positive - you seem very confident with your wingsuit. that is great.

are you just as confident in managing the exit point while in your wingsuit?
prudence would suggest a visit. while you're there, you might as well jump. ('course, if it has a gigantic platform that you've seen images, you might skip the above step.)

what I recommend is having the same confidence through experience in as many aspects as possible.

ps
the ego stoke comment was NOT directed at you. I meant that I doubted anyone suggesting you slow down has any payoff from advising you. as such, they probably have your best interests in mind and are NOT stoking their egos.

and everyone learns differently.

I removed a few posts of off-color humor. I trust it was good-natured.

stay safe. have fun.

I nearly laughed my a** out :) That was a great discussion:)

P.S. Being a non-native English speaker, and, in a sense, new to the forum, I just don't get whether all this is serious, or a joke? :)

good luck.

you're right...waist wise i see no problems.
go ballistic!

Its a combo of both...

More important than number of jumps is skills acquired.

Before jumping a solid, slider down object (like most of the cliffs in Moab), you should:

a) dial in your DBS, customizing it to your body weight, so that you have minimal forward speed at opening, but the canopy still responds to rear riser input. With good DBS, the canopy will actually back up slightly while making a turn on one rear riser

b) practice object avoidance, usually by doing floaters off a span (zero wind is best) and then turning the canopy around before you fly under the span. If you can't do this every single time, when you have a 180 off a solid object you have a good chance of striking it.


It doesn't matter if you develop this skillset (and gear configuration) at 25 jumps or 250. It's the development of the survival skills that is important. I've seen people with 400 jumps who've never bothered working on this stuff (because they jump slider up cliffs and spans almost exclusively), and people with 20 jumps who are already well on their way to mastering object avoidance.

nice post Lucifer ( the long one)
I'm a relative newbie.
One of the things I am absolutely certain of....is taking one step at a time.
Sure we can mix 2 or 3 variables into a jump ...grin like a mental patient and just go...but, in those situations we all know we are relying on a big scoop from our luck bucket and long term it does more harm than good.
A methodical approach to the 'game' will make you feel better....and give you more confidence and analytical potential for future jumps than the
'I survived so I must have done something right...so I'm good for all jumps like this....right? "
Nail your slider up jumps whilst tracking hard , right off the launch, and there is no doubt that will make you better prepared for wingsuit jumps.....and also make you feel alot more comfortable with the situation when things dont go exactly to plan.
Its all about building specific skills piece by piece.....not assuming they will be there because you did something 'similar '


I mean...really...what is the rush....can you tell us?

Dude, you have an orange tie dye rig. That's your first problem.





Base has one color. Black.





And if no one will tell you what you want to hear, then what you're thinking of doing is probably a bad idea.

just ask jc

Jesus is a BASE jumper?

yeah dude, you never met jeb?

At first, I was thinking sure why not it could be done....

Then I saw homeboys site.. Changed my mind instantly...
41 jumps and no terminal is not the time to don a ws..
Period

Why do it anyway? I don't think it's "to push the envelope of human flight" or whatever dropzone MTV cliché bs

Op seems like a braggart.. Maybe it's so he can say his first terminal was a ws ... It doesn't make sense any other way

However, after viewing the op's photos, I think I figured it out


Fat people can't track.

You truly are one old school hard core mofo...

 


ha!!!

classic

Eh, I don't know about that, you missed the mark by just a hair..... check the sig line below.

So, any word from our hero yet or has he just become another red paint stain on a tower somewhere in the land of steers n' queers?

Circle Jerk central no doubt.

shhh... if you bash say it how it is, he won't invite you to the 'vator.

Real men climb!!

On that note, check your stupid texts, Jew...

there's no way he was being serious when he said that diablopilot.

Really?

no i was just kidding you are hard core, at least you dress the part.

You are just another one with huge attitude, and as strange there is, they with the biggest cyber attitude never last long in this game!

Rebel among rebels

Not true.
Fat folks can track, just not as far usually.

I think it's safe to say that this guy is a total doosh. I don't normally bother calling people out on here for being dooshes, but since I spent so much time reading all of his crap and looking at his gay website, I thought I would make an exception. Have fun being so extreme! Doosh

I think the first statement is harsh, funny & mostly true.

As for the second statement, sure if the guy or gal is also
really tall but by and large (ha ha) short, heavy people
even at terminal do not track very well.

I base this opinion on many skydives of 2 types:
A) Track dives where I lead on my back
B) Shooting 4-way RW video

Yes, tracking on a skydive is not the same as on a BASE jump
but my ignorant guess is that the latter is more difficult, right?

I think this kind of sums up the problems Zoter mentioned,
by not being honest about one's pros and cons as a jumper
one can end up in the corner quick.

Lastly, I am definitely NOT thin at 6' 2" and 197 pounds...
and I definitely climb slower than smaller/lighter guys.

Whats up I'm back, i don't stay on the net all weekend. I go jump. Im not a total doosh, but i bet you each nasty dooche bags for breakfast. If you actually knew me and hung out with me you would know. Anyways i am going to do this jump, i am going to make sure i do my first terminal jump with ws. I got encouraging info from talking to other jumpers at the dz. Thanks for spending time on my website it helps my ranking on google. Also im not fat im big boned. More cushion for the pushin. Plus if a go in you will just have to fill the crater with dirt. I can track pretty good, never had any trouble on tracking dives. Its pretty easy to flat track. I have climbed every antenna so far. Have a vator, but im still climbing to 1500 for my jump. You must earn the altitude. I was just to lazy this last week and only climbed to 900, then a day later climbed to 450. Well off to eat some fried chicken and twinkies while i get all your moms to blow me. Then whenever im done drinking the mickeys i got stocked up im going to smoke some crack and go jump. By the way i thought of a new nugget while on the 450ftr this weekend. And a couple people can vouch for it:


"I'm too drunk to go stowed"


I guess i have some good judgement.

so, how did it go?

Im doing it soon, but im waiting on a fellow jumper who wants to go with me. Until then i stop at 900'.

So, do you have a letter that you want us to send to your family when you go in, or should we just use this?

That's where I go for all my BASE questions.

Considering there are six other BASE jumpers out at the DZ ( one with over 800 BASE jumps). I find their info very useful. Where would you get reliable info, Here online???

you asked in this forum first, dumbass. now go fly off your little tower and let us know how it goes.

Its a big tower

not as big as mine.

He's not lying, Calvin's stick is the biggest I've ever jumped!

I've jumped bigger. And it had an elevator, too, but we climbed. not because we "like to earn our altitude", but because we couldn't get the 'vator to work. No way in hell will I EVER pass on an elevator ride.

you went pre-mature on me as I remember. the stick is bigger, but you only get all its potential if you work at it long enough.

I am with you man! Who the fuck would
climb over 1,000 feet when you can ride?

 

Calvin your right... we all went premature on that one. I'm pretty sure you went last out of all of us though. Good thing for you we were base jumping and not playing soggy biscuit...

wat

I guess I don't have a free spirit or an open mind. huh.

Whatever dude, these guys are totally insane! They're stretching human gayness beyond imagination lead by an underlying drive to push their dicks into each other as deep as possible. To be accepted as an Air Homo you must be extremely gay, fat, and willing to jump a wingsuit off an antenna as soon as you finish geting PCA'd in your FJC.

!

I think our tower farms average is bigger than most single ones.. but you have to climb them all.

I like climbing, not saying I would not ride an elevator if I ever get to (never even seen an elevator), but I like climbing.

yea them australia arm guy was doing soggy biscuit thing when I was in OZ, who ever come first not the last person eat the biscuit (that's how they were playing it )

not if you got the key like some of the old time jumper (which never let other use it )

travis....

i think there are 2 rules to learn from your thread.

#1: ashman22 is right about what he said about you.

#2: if you have any doubt about anything, go back to rule #1.

Flame on.

...was also known as a 'Circle Jerk'

back in the 80's among the skaters.

It was fuckin' sick then and now!

(That looks better.)

Thanks bro, appreciate the green but...

a bunch of dipshits jacking off on a
piece of bread and then eating it
does not deserve the green

Did this dude go in or make the jump and live to tell the tale?????

As extreme as he is I would guess he made the jump!

I don't know man! I think if he had made it he would have been back on here bragging about it. He either pussed out or went in. So sad

A little off the topic but. . . .

It's great that you have dealt with all the scenarios that you mentioned. So, you either have lots of jumps and a higher chance of having a broader range of experiences, or fewer jumps and too high an incident per jump ratio.

???

It's also great that you show strong independance and initiative.

Is it really that hard to throw in a few extra jumps and reduce the risks whilst increasing your skill level and probablity for longer term and greater success??

i'm sorry i didn't read this thread before now. it's quite entertaining. lots of good stuff in this one.

i especially liked the line about earning altitude. it cracks me up how people like to think they're earning something at the same time as taking a short cut somewhere else.

and Paul, you ohio boys need to take a trip south sometime... i will show you how a 2000ft elevator works.

Hmm... think you can just bring one to us at bridge day?

Thanks

i'll see what i can do...

I say go for it. an "A" with a good tail wind = perfect. Even if you totally screw it up, the wind will blow you away from the object.

What's up Travis. You probably don't even get on this string anymore due to the battering that goes on on all these forums but if youdue happen to read this here is my thoughts. My first thought was wow here is a guy that is crazier than me, I would love to meet this dude! haha. Any way i have four wingsuit jumps out of a plane so I don't know shit about that, but I have lots of terminal jumps in a phoenix tracking suit and i can say this, it is easy to go head low. I am trying to get my talents to the point where I can wingsuit base and my suit has been a great start. It is an easier way to get used to the effects of a pressurized suit and transitioning from a closed leg to "throwing the heat on" and burning away from the object without ending up upside down. My first jump in my suit put me fairly vertical, not from sloppy exit, just the inflation and drag of the legs to the arms, but I adjusted my legs a little, leveled out, and screamed off the object. I would imagine if it were a wingsuit, I probably wouldn't be posting right now. There is my thought, good luck bro! Beware of wondering minions!!!

 

That bad boy will fly you right into the tower if you go over.

Not afraid, honestly going head down can actually be fun and a little more extreme on your terminal jumps, I just meant that possibly (from someone that knows nothing about wingsuit base) that to much leg on exit could flip a person, not just send them head low, then your in a pretty bad situation. I agree with you 100% about your comment, but head low, and back flying into an object is two diffrent things. Beware of wondering minions!!!

Beware of wondering minions!!!

I know what the words mean but
not strung together, care to explain?

Sure, me and a couple other buddies that I skydive and Base with are a little bit...aggresive and...outlandish might be the proper wording. We try not to do anything extremely stupid, but we sometime test the limits of what is...acceptable by the conservative community. Anyway, long story short, we picked up the nickname "The Minions" or "Team Menace" and it just kinda stuck so we run with it.

Okay, thanks.

Maybe I'll catch up with you one of these
times when I go to visit my Dad in NC.

Coolies, shoot me an email sometime or find me on myspace.

 

I try to stay away from the...bullshit battering on these forums, but since you seem to want to call me out for no reason, I created this account when I had nine jumps, not how many I have now. I am not one those internet pricks that have nothing better to do than start pit fights with everyone on a forum, i post to make friends and expand my knowledge about the sport. So, if you don't want to make a new friend, or help spread the knowledge you have to help people be better, smarter, or safer jumpers, stay the fuck outa my conversations! Thanks, Blue Skies!

Cool, thanks, I will.

As for the numbers stuff, I think
the other poster was just referring
to the data in your jump profile.

Yeah I noticed that, oops! I fixed it now though, I have 1 jump!!! hee hee

 

OK sorry, didn't mean to be snappy, it just urks the shit outa me when people jump all over other people on these forums, is it funny? Is it useful? Is it some kinda freaky fetish some people have? I think it is bullshit and don't want to be a part of it. All and all, I am sorry I didn't update my profile for you honey, I will try to do better next time!

Sometimes
Rarely
No doubt
too late
there is hope for you yet, Young reluctant apprentice.

Shit you are right, I have been sucked in huh, well as long as there is hope, I will keep trying! Blue Skies dude!

It's about time the other half of Team Menace shows up. No time to update my profile, I'm at work. Just showing up for some Minion Love!!

"Beware of wandering Minions!!"

Sound to me like learing to pack properly would be a better suggestion..even if it is quite cool that you pulled so low the gear you where using had no function, and basegear would have been a smarter choice..

Yeah, Travis bailed on this forum a while back. He couldn't take the heat I guess. Giving him advise is pointless, because he's just a wanna-be poser who just wanted to get some attention on here and is probably too scared to do any of the shit that he so boldly claims.

 

Ahh...I see you're from Texas too. You must be one of his buddies on the super extreme PCA team that takes it to the limit. So I guess this previous post applies to you too!

"Whatever dude, these guys are totally insane! They're stretching human gayness beyond imagination lead by an underlying drive to push their dicks into each other as deep as possible. To be accepted as an Air Homo you must be extremely gay, fat, and willing to jump a wingsuit off an antenna as soon as you finish geting PCA'd in your FJC."

Im back and no im not dead. Even though i feel like it after binge drinking this weekend until the point of blackout.
anyways

Dude seriously how gay are you. You have stooped down to picking on my friend. If i was the one who wanted attention i would repost my own five line quote, that is pretty fing stupid. I think your just jealous because you don't have a super cool web page with super cool pictures. Plus you hate the fact that i am definitely way more extreme than you. Nobody can touch my extremeness and if you do You will probably melt or your genitals will fall off one or the other. By the way thanks for all the hits on my site. Oh and the pca was just training. I had never done one and wanted to know how it felt, besides that was an awesome canopy ride. if you were wondering I do plan on offering rigs and wingsuits in the future im just working on my rigger ticket and trying to save money for a sewing machine. Already have designs just need some cash. At least i have a dream to look froward to. What do you do wipe you own nasty green spluge in your face after looking up porn and posting all day. I bet you dream of butt fucking a bunch of gay sailors and then eating the soggy biscuit that the whole boat load of homos prepared for you. Then you take it in the butt and re-eat the digested soggy biscuit that you shat out ten days later because you liked the taste. anyways about the jump. I haven't done it yet, but when i do ill be sure to put the video on my extreme web page and all over youtube. As a matter of fact im thinking about doing it solo tonight, but that depends on how high i get. I cut my self off from jumping when i have smoked a half oz or more. CYA later soggy biscuit fudge packing sailor homo boy.

You're right I don't have a 'super cool webpage", but I do have a lot better pictures and videos than you. Oh wait, you don't even have a single video on your super extreme web page. If you do have something on youtube I'd love it if you would send me the link so I can laugh at you. Also, I find it hard to believe that you only did a PCA once to try it out, because that's the only pictures you have on your super cool web page. I had to make fun of your friend simply because he's friends with you. The fact that he can do a gainer makes him significantly better than you, but I do have to question his sexual preferences since he got so defensive on your behalf. I must say though, your postings make me laugh my ass off! Who in their right mind do you think would actually buy base gear and wingsuits from you? You don't even have enough skydives to become an instructor and apparently not even enough base jumps to go stowed, or even hand held for that matter. You think because you buy a sewing machine people are going to trust you to make their gear? Well, have fun getting stoned and pretending to be so extreme!

 Oh shit he admits his pics and video are more extreme. Better watch your genitals they will fall off. I already have a voodoo doll made for you. Look up BASE jump Texas on you tube. I pca'd off a 200 ft balcony and landed in the river. it is actually pretty funny. I laugh at myself every time i watch it. My super cool web page isnt done yet. Thats why there are no videos or anything fancy. I just bought the domain and threw a template together with what i had on my computer. I am actually working on a flash version as we speak. It will have super cool vids and some pretty sweet ws designs. You will want one when you see. If you dont want one thats fine. And your right Actually i have done three pca's. They were all fun. Two off cliffs, and one off a building. As far as my friend you referred too in the last post. I'm sure she is going to whoop your ass. My other buddy will probably do a ninja gainer into your house and have his way with your girlfriend. I do have more than one friend.

BTW, I am actually getting my Tandem rating in a couple months and i am training under a master rigger. I'm sure if i offer a quality product in the future people will buy them. I dont really care if you do or not. I dont want a soggy biscuit eater flying one of my suits anyway.

You know it's the back-and-forth hate like this that keeps me coming back to this site again and again.

Wow, you guys really show the love, Beav 2 rocks, Beware of wondering minions, Travis, you appear quite like me in the fact that if someone tells you no, but it appears achievable, you going to do it anyway so have fun! Just dont

By the way Angry Beaver, what is my local jump buddies name on this here hate site

sooo...i'm obviously no expert butttt what did you expect by posting this kind of stuff on here? i barely post (i think this is like numero 15) and have 40 jumps (barely nothing) but i do read enough to know that people are ready to call you out when you do post something like this.

and i think you should care...when people get hurt or go in doing BASE...it makes everyone else look bad and gets objects closed and made even more illegal. when you push the limit you make everyone else who is going about thing with practical progression look like the adrenaline junkies the media wants to portray us as. a lot of people have done a lot of really good things by working really hard to put BASE in a positive spot light i e Bridge Day, Perrine Bridge Festival etc etc and it seems to me when things like this happen people get ancy. its kinda like when you wash your car and then someone scratches it, it kinda pisses you off.

not an attack whatsoever, just adding my 2 cents to the convo

signin out

New swing on this question, what if the jumper has say...1000 skydives and all but a hand full of the last 600 were in a wingsuit?

That's a girl in that picture? Looks like a dude. She must be your super cool base jumping girlfriend. Man, I wish I could be as awesome as you.

I don't believe your a real person.

I am living proof that this is not true! I out track lots of the skinny kids......

Did you learn to talk like that from this website:

http://www.realultimatepower.net

Thank you, that was hilarious!!!