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accident-/death-ratio? how many active basejumpers?
i had some discussion about getting into base with my family this weekend. one of the more important questions: ok, about 10 basejumpers die basejumping every year - but how many active basejumpers are there?

i once read somewhere that about 5000 would be a good estimation. 10 fatal incidents + 5000 active basejumpers = 0,2 % death rate each year... not really good news for my parents.

what do you think about this numbers?
any numbers/estimations on serious accidents (e.g. >7 days ailment/pain) each year?
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Re: [mostwanted] accident-/death-ratio? how many active basejumpers?
active base jumpers is closer to 1000 than 5000! Looks like your statistic is not so good!
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Re: [mostwanted] accident-/death-ratio? how many active basejumpers?
with that attitude...forget about basejumping, stick with skydiving...basejumping isn`t about math..
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Re: [mostwanted] accident-/death-ratio? how many active basejumpers?
even when you make everything 100 % right-you have a good change to get hurt or die...
sad but true.....
during the last 4 years there was 7 people that i knew and jumped with,...and they are part of the fatality list....Frown
love it or leave it...Angelic
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Re: [johan420] accident-/death-ratio? how many active basejumpers?
johan420 wrote:
with that attitude...forget about basejumping, stick with skydiving...basejumping isn`t about math..

For sure.
Total commitment required...and a bit of selfishness as well Wink
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Re: [elduderino] accident-/death-ratio? how many active basejumpers?
Those above are correct. It's hard to boil some things down to numbers. You can do it broadly with certain things like single bullet Russian Roulette but BASE jumps are singular and differing events one to another.

Even jumps at the same site are different because of WX, pack job, gear variance, type of jump performed, and jumper state of mind. So instead of looking at the "one out of whatever numbers" I've resorted to looking more at the currency vs. safety equation. And in BASE I've come to the conclusion it's backwards to almost anything else.

In almost anything else the more you do it the better you'll be at it. But in BASE I've come to the conclusion the increase in skill level that comes with very frequent jumping isn't worth the extra exposure to the inherent dangers.

I think in the beginning you need to hit on it regularly until you attain a certain level of expertise but then you should slow down. That point is different for everyone but it's when you stop learning big time on every jump and start doing BASE more just for the fun.

(Yes, I know you never stop learning, blah, blah, blah, but you know what I mean).

BASE is like full scale thermo-nuclear war in that the only guaranteed way to survive it is not to engage in it. But add in a little skill, a big dose of common sense, and don't do it too much, and it becomes limited thermo nuclear war and that is survivable, but you may not escape completely damage free.

I'm older now, but even when I young and just starting BASE I was following this logic without realizing it. I'm perfectly satisfied to travel across the country, to say Bridge Day, and makes a single jump. But I hear folks grumbling they only got three in and could have made more if the line was moving faster, they had packed faster, or the WX was better, etc.

And if a group of us were out camping at some middle of nowhere site I'll make one jump, maybe two, while everybody else was doing five and six a day. I made peace with myself early in my BASE career that I was only going to get so good at it and that's it. I'll never be a Jeb, or a Slim, or a Dwain as far as skill level. I'm more a Joe Sixpack type of BASE jumper, I'm certainly competent, but plain vanilla as far as "wow" factor goes.

And it was demeaning sometimes, not because anyone would say anything about it but it was hanging in the air. Driving home in the van we'd count up the total number of jumps we made. "I got twelve," one would begin, "Fifteen for me," said another, "Twenty right here baby!" exclaimed the third person. And then the moment I dreaded. "How many did you get, Nick?"

"Ah, I did five . . . "

But I didn't really care. BASE is what it is to you, or it isn't yours at all.

And I don't like irony in BASE. I don't like the fact that Carl Boenish, the man who popularized BASE jumping, died doing it. I don't like the fact that Dwain, the man who showed how to think outside the boxman, died doing it. I don't like the fact that Dick Pedely, who survived over six thousand skydives back in a time hardly anyone had that many, died on his 26th BASE jump. And I don't want to add to the irony be being the man who keep track of BASE fatalities and then wound up on his own List.

In talking to Jim Wallace, a skydiver with over 10,000 skydives, he'll say, not much surprises him in the sky anymore. And when he does have a problem it's not so much what is this? It's more like, oh well, this is it. He knows which side of the numbers game he's on . . .

So sure, we all have to BASE jump at our own pace. Just be careful about getting too comfortable with it . Sometimes, like an alluring member of the opposite sex - it's better to keep a little distance. And as my reflexes are getting slower and my mind probably dimmer I still have more BASE jumps in me, but, I'm doling them out even slower now and enjoying them more.

So don't give your Mom numbers, just tell her the same thing early aviators told their Mothers. "Don't worry Mom, I'll fly very low and very slow . . ."

NickD Smile
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Re: [NickDG] accident-/death-ratio? how many active basejumpers?
There was a funny quote after a fatality at Bridge Day back in the 1980s. After a jumper went in and jumping was allowed the proceed, the next jumper confidently walked up to the edge and prepared to exit. Everyone from the crowd (the whuffos, some of the jumpers, etc.) were shouting "don't you realize how risky this is?" He responded with "hey, what are the chances that there will be TWO fatalities in a row!?!?"
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Re: [NickDG] accident-/death-ratio? how many active basejumpers?
In reply to:
BASE is what it is to you, or it isn't yours at all.

True true...
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Re: [mostwanted] accident-/death-ratio? how many active basejumpers?
Finding comfort in some numbers...is a prime example of the ego working some magic on you to find comfort in taking some risk...its really quite simple....risk and reward...what is it worth to you.Play hard enough and you too will see extreme highs and lows and then you will know if your choice was a good one...maybe spend a little more time soul searching then looking at the stats...its all up to you in the end...you and your family will live with the outcome of your choice...but just remember ...lets not take ourselves to serious...we are not permanent...whoever lives the longest and has the most fun ...wins!Wink
Gary
www.garybegleysports.com