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This jump is getting very popular. If you jump the new jump in LB, make sure that you have a groundcrew. The jump is very positive in the beginning and you can not see what is going on below the exit. The jump is in a paraglider spot. And almost all Paragliders fly below the jump along the wall before they land. If you jump without a groundcrew it will be a matter of time until an accident happens. And this would for sure have a big impact to all the jumping in LB.

Michi (SBA)

Perhaps it is possible to approach the lady who runs the kiosk in the parking lot.

A nice swiss guy might be able to charm her into gound crewing us.

walter come on...why a swiss guy......you are a very charming gentleman and i am sure that one look into your eyes will convince this lady to groundcrew at least you 10 times a day.....

Hi,


I am myself doing a lot of paragliding at this site and I would like to underline Michi's point and add two other aspects.

Apart from the solo paragliders there are a lot of commercial paragliding tandem flights with tourists.

It would be terrible enough to have an accident between solo paragliders and base jumpers. But once an accident happens where tourists - people completely outside the sport and outside flying - get hurt or worse, I am pretty sure this would be devastating for the jumping in LB.

Paragliders will often fly close to the wall in order to find thermals rising up the wall. And later as Michi said we will be still close to the wall when coming in for landing.

Also, there are many pilots training acrobatic paragliding there, I for example only go to this site to do exactly this because it is ideal for training. Expect us to fly above roughly the middle of the valley and then descend quite rapidly. So, if you see a paraglider up above the valley it does not mean you are safe to jump in the next few minutes, only one minute later he or she might have come down already and is preparing for landing. Please wait until the entire airspace is clear.


Best.

A young man died last week jumping "Ultimate" , one of the "new" exitpoints in Stechelberg.

Some words about this exit:
You have to rappel down about 20 meters.
It's almost impossible to climb up again without proper climbing gear.
Once you are on the exitpoint, you have to jump.
When you look down the first time, you will think what the fuck, that's not jumpable....
The first 30 meters are very positive and you have to push like hell to clear it.
The exit itself is an uneven grass patch.
Together with a very strong push this can easily lead to an unstable exit.
This exitpoint is beautiful but not for everyone.
If you are not 100% sure you can do a very powerfull bombproof exit, don't go there.

With the "new" exits in stechelberg we opened a can of worms.
Short hikes for lazy jumpers, but advanced jumps.
From "Ultimate" it's not possible to look down along the wall.
It's very important to communicate with someone in the landing area to ask if the airspace is clear.

The number of affected farmers almost doubeled with the new jumps, and they want compensation as well.
We will have to rise the price for the landing card. Not much, it will be still cheap.
Main landing area should be the paraglider landing area. They rent it and we will pay part of it.
Otherwise same rules as everywhere, land only on short grass.

Thanks

Maybe it is another Staubach and we will have to not go there to keep the others...

I have jumped it once.

I did it with a wing suit and with the guys who opened the jump. I have about 500 base wing suit jumps and I did not like the exit, ti rappel with a big wing suit is scary as hell, and to gear up down there is extremely scary. What I did not like at all was to walk with booties on the uneven steep grass ledge (50 cm or 2 ft wide) its super easy to slip.

And if you slip you will not fall from the cliff, you will bounce from the first meter and do this for the next 30 meters. Its very positive and you need to push.

THis jump is not only for the experienced, also its for the ones with guts and climbing skills.

I know everybody will jump this jump now, no matter experience.. just like High nose... Its just a matter of time.

I know IM not going to jump it again... its a high jump but to scary for my comfort zone.

But then again, I might just be chicken shit and a pansy.

Or just old wise and still alive!

Well after some years out there, being alive without injurys (knock on wood) could be a sign of either:

1. Luck
2. Good judgements
3. skills
4. experience

but probably a big mix of it all. Close calls happens and they will happen! from time to time.

If you allways evaluate, prepare for and expect the incidents you will be prepared for it. because that offheadding WILL come some day and you will do a bad pack job another day.

so expect it and prepare for it. If the exit you jump is formed so you can't have a 180 or a 90 left. Its not an exit point. If ou cant make a bad exit and have one chans of recover, its not an exit.

if you make these limits for jumping you probably stay alive for longer time.

you will jump it again martin, you will...

that's what I thought as well... and I will be there with my camera as well to have it on tape... :-)

Do I feel some groub pressure?

No, not at all. But as Martin said, the jump is a bit scarry, especailly when you are at the end of the positiv section after 30 meters and you automaticly bend the knees and tuck in the feet a bit in order to not hit the ledge. But this is only mindfuck. And I know now Martin a bit and I think he is the kind of guy who likes his mind getting fucked a bit So I'm also sure, he will jump this exit again

a mindfuck takes your confidence,...
losing confidence creates lack of performance...
lack of performance creates fatalitys....

why the site is called "ultimate"...?
because of the ultimate mindfuck...?
or because you can easly pay there the ultimate price....?

I was joking Harry, that's why I put in the and the (and also because they look cool)...
I know it is only suboptimal to jump an exit when you are not feeling good about this. I have chickend out more then once and always was proud of myself for not jumping.
The problem of the "ultimate" is that once your are on the exit you can not climb up again without external help.

But apart from this I sitll think that Martin will jump it again... I'm joking, no I'm not...

nope,...he´s to smart...

the ultimate was "opened" by a French friend in the spring.
I am the second to jump from this spot and I proposed to call ultimate because I thought there would be no spot earlier in this valley.
I confirm that this requires a starting spot with a good expulsion to spend the first 40 meters while positive. If you are unsure of your departure is not for you!

be safe

nobody can be sure that the launch will be perfekt,...
everything can happen, slip away, bad timing, whatever...i saw several exits where expirience people fucked up during the launch...
so if a jump has absolutly no margin of "error", than ist not a "good" idea to jump there...even when it is jumpable....

"you wanne be dumb, you got to be tough..."

should be no offence to you,...only to the people who what to jump there and dont know about this issue...

the next time when i am in LB i will check it out....

The "ultimate" has been jumped since many years by some Swiss jumpers who kept the jump under low profile. This year pandoras box has been opened to the masses and more accidents are to come.

Yes it's true
but I'am not the masses!
and It's the first time that I speak of ultimate

the basejump is dangerous
respect and be safe...

 

yes. the ultimate kicks ass for tracking, you can track it str8 out and you have a tree filled ledge to clear about 1500+ft down, or you can track left and your good the whole way. as explained its positive in the beginning, but with a good push your fine. the most intimidating part is the rapell down to the exit.

this exit is awesome, with a side of scary.

good luck and send it!

I have jumped there now more than 4 weeks, every exits with tracking panz (only panz, first version of Phoenix panz) and with WS ...and never had any problems with gliders, most of them are really cool and nice people... an usually I wait at the exit point so long at everybody have landed... ofcourse not if they are really high...

I respect them coz they are working there (tandem pilots)
We have had many times locals as a ground crew :) -nice peoples there :)

And my opinon is that lowest via ferratta exit point (we, at least the Finns, call it "Migthy Penis) is the best tracking jump in the valley, but yeah ofcourse you have to trust your track there, but you dont have to be any "tracking God" (coz even I can do it)

And Ultimate is Huge tracking jump, specially if you take heavily to right after exit... and again my opinon its really nice jump with WS and quite safe if you do it right... I usually launch from there head low in purpose with WS...

I really like Swiss, but I hate that kind of attitude that "lets keep some nice exitpoints secret only for heroes" like that Ultimate -jumped for many years ago...

With love "Swiss Tony" (Tony from Finland)

hey swiss tony! nice info, dead on. the mighty P is a burley track jump, like you said, gotta have your A-game on. i didn't jump it for that reason! the ultimate is a nice progression track jump, first jump a little left and see the how far over the ledge you would be, then jump str8 out over the tree ledge, then track far right, (in that order). i never went far right, wasn't ready yet.

paragliders were awesome when i was there, very cool and we just would coordinate on the tram as to when they would launch. some tandems would fly their clients over to the ultimate to get a glimpse of us hanging out on the exit, then fly out far left and we would jump.

and tony you know you are a bad-ass tracker, so saying you can do it doesn't give the beginner tracker much confidence!

cya
teddav

Like the previous poster noted, saying that Tony can track it doesn't mean that it should be taken easily. Swiss Tony is on top of his game, experienced and super current subterminal wall BASE jumper. And he is constantly passing the road from High Nose and making it plenty into the field. I think that he is definetly on the top 10% of trackers I've seen in the valley. So when you judge yourself if you should take this jump on, please keep this in mind. I personally have jumped MP plenty of times, always with wingsuit. When I first jumped it I thought it as wingsuit only exit. After couple of jumps I started to think that it is possible to track it but have not done it so far. I still think MP as awesome wingsuit jump and highly advanced tracking jump. I can handle my own tracking as well but it might just be that that jump is not for me. Huge respect for Tony and others for tracking it though!

Now we have a big problem.....

The Schilthornbahn (Cablecar), The Commune of Lauterbrunnen and the commercial paraglider pilots dont want us there any longer.

They had a meeting without inviting us.

Excerpt of the statement:



They told me about stupid stunts like flybys on tandem paragliders and severeal nearmisses.
that's the result now.

We will try to work on this, but i doubt we can do much...

I'm not sure the paraglider pilots understand the proximity required to be considered a "fly by".

A friend of mine jumped and landed from the M***** P**** when a paraglider pilot angrily told him, "How dare you jump! I was in the air just minutes ago!"

When it was explained that we had ground crew and radio contact and could see that he had landed he seemed to calm down.

Minutes? "How dare you go through that stop sign! I was in the intersection just minutes ago!" Crazy.

I don't see the situation as "a big problem" but an inevitable concequence of the Mighty Penis (dare I write it) and other new exits opened for masses on past year. Everyone knew that the question will rise, and it must be at some point discussed how (if) the tolerated jumping there can be continued.

Do the paraglides have some time of the day when they are not doing tandems, early in the morning, late afternoon? The jumping could be done during those times.

Is there some groundcrew with the paragliders that could be communicated the way we call AirGlacier? To know if there is tandems in the air... The sports could then be separated, not spatially but by time.

Do they trust our groundcrews (we need to have them) to tell us there are paragliders? If not, then what can we do about that.

Do they understand the manouverability of a wingsuit and how a near miss or a flyby maybe is not what they really have seen?

I really hope that the jumping at MP and other new spots can be continued with information and education to all parties operating there.

Vesa

That is sad news.
The MP is a great jump and it would suck to lose the exit point permanently.

I never had problems with the paraglider there.
They were always very kind on the cablecar rides up, asking questions, watched the jumps, etc.
I guess it was just a matter of time until this would happen.

Maybe jumping there grew to fast?
When someone showed me the "old" MP exit in May, it was kind of a secret and was jumped only every once in a while.
4 weeks ago, everyone knew about it and it saw probably as many jumpers a day as the Nose did.

Good luck to the local jumpers...


Oliver

only a idea,...

quiet often the weather is not good for paragliding but still doable for BASE,....

what if there would be an agreement between paragliders,the commune and BASERs ,that Basejumping is ok on this spot when it is sure that paragliders not flying because of the weather....

i know,...it sounds a little crazy

but if its a way to get the site open again...
why not....

only a thougt.....

Hey guys,
I spent a good portion of my trip jumping those exits, most often from MP, and all track jumps (Phoenix Fly pants and jacket).

Every paraglider, with one exception, seemed interested in what we were doing. We explained how we jumped, how we watched for them, and how we gave them total right-of-way. They weren't pissed that we were there. The only guy that had an attitude told us that BASE jumpers died every week in the valley and were a danger. It was nonsense but most of the fears seem to be based on ignorance.

And I agree with Tony, the MP is a great track jump with incredible visuals but you need to have a solid track or that wall starts coming out really fast. It is also a jump where you have a good view of any paragliders that might be below or nearby.

I really hope some agreement can be reached to keep this part of the valley open.

Hi all!

I'm a paraglider pilot and also beginner skydiver from Hungary, but I live close to Interlaken since february.

For us, acro flyers, Mürren is one of the best training spots in the Alps, because you can take the cable car every half an hour and make lots of training flights with 6-700 meters altitude. I've been there first in 2007, but that time I've never seen any base jumpers up there. I didn't even know that there is an exit point so was surprised when this spring more and more showed up to jump the pretty much positive wall.

I'm sure that most of the paraglider pilots accept base jumping there and are very interested to watch flying body coming down. But you have to understand that there are also some people who doesn't know a shit about this sport and wouldn't be really happy to see an opening base canopy 50 meters away, just while preparing to land on the small field :-)

Basically this flying site is not so busy (compared to others) even during the summer, but the tandem business is going on all year long and sometimes schools are going there with lots of students, so watch out. However, I think the fact that the exit point is next to the cables makes the tracking patch already a bit protected of the gliders cruising below. I think pilots are rarely flying below the exit point close to the cliff, but the problem the gliders preparing to land just at the spot you're going to pull, so watch out.

Also, as mentioned before, there are several guys - like me - who just go to this spot to train acro, which means from take-off till landing I spend about 2 minutes in the air burning down a good 700 meters pretty fast, but again, normally over the middle of the valley and even a bit north of the landing spot (considering the wind drift).

Have fun and take care!
Pál

I was told 10 meters away from a Tandem in Freefall. More then once. But i don't know if it's true...



I like your thinking and hope we can find an acceptable solution for everyone.

When we talk to officials and paragliders, the name "Mighty Penis" does not really help.
We should rather talk about the "Via Ferrata Exit".

I agree. Even it's a really good name for the lower Via Ferrata exit, especially with the story behind the name, it's maybe not giving non-jumpers the best possible impression of jumpers there


Vesa

I jumped Mighty Penis (lower via ferrata exit) today with wing suit 18.30 and there was noboby else than me, well yes ofcourse there was couples really nice cable/bus drivers... no problems, no flybys...

I just love that part of the valley

And I still belive and hope that we (basejumpers) can fit in !!!

With love

"Swiss Tony" (Tony Vilko BASE #818)

Fuck the Finns!

Especially these Finns.....
http://www.blueprints4life.com/sauna/Sauna.jpg

That must be Swedish sauna, here in Finland we wear no clothes in sauna

Hey Moritz!

There is lot of what we (base jumpers) can do:
Like keep jumping there....
Keep ours eyes open...
Respect paraglaider pilots...
And hopefully they respect us also...

Today I didi it again and again I met really nice pilots and no any problems

From Swiss "Swiss Tony"

To someone that isn't a climber, I could see them much more likely to jump than to try to get back up the rope (if the conditions were not good or if they were sketched out by the jump). Why not stash a pair of ascenders at the bottom? They are pretty easy to figure out.

just to clarify...which one is mighty penis?

there is ultimate to the far right, the middle one where you still need to rappel down but have a little grass patch for one person and no ledge and to the left you don't have to rappel.
when i jumped there last time i never heard the name mighty penis.

It's right next to the rappel exit.
From that little grass area where you gear up, you follow the via ferrata down, go over the wooden planks and there it is.
It's kind of the same jump, just without the rappeling part.

ahhh..thanks olli.
i knew the jump just not the name.
so then it wouldn't it be better to jump the middle one, because you have a pretty good view whats going on in the airspace around and below you?

I also prefer the middle exit.
It is a bit higher and not that close to the cablecar.

A 90° right opening gets you rather close to that cables.

Hi Walter!
Cables are not a problem if you pull low enough
...or if you fly to left with ws

"Swiss Tony"

Have pity with a frightened elderly,
also with the physically challenged (those without wingsuits)


I think the cablecar drivers are watching more suspiciously than the paragliders

I think Walter just want to rappel down

-Rami-

I can't agree more

Fuck the Finns!

hyvaa hyppy

Stefan: Hyvä hyppy!

 
Hahahaa!!! Thanks for the good times Walter!

Kerkko
BASE 1184

In the cliff of Ultimate at the end with Vampire 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-SzwCD7qd8

enjoy