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CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
                                                                                                        Cave Of The Swallows
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SO.......... here's the low-down:
In July I journeyed down to Aquismon to talk with local, state, and federal officials about the cave. At first I was met with a great deal of negativity. I spent a week treck-ing back and forth thru some of the most difficult travel I have ever experienced ( torrential rainfall made just reaching Aquismon a task as the main roads were closed, and getting up the road to the cave required hiring a boat to cross the valley, and a second vehicle to 4 by 4 up to the cave).
Upon finally getting to the cave I sat down with the cave council and was informed that after the last series of trips run to the cave, the community had gotten together and passed a law making decent by parachute, as well as use of motorized winches illegal at the cave. It seems we managed to really really make the locals dislike jumpers. I was also informed that 4 other groups had come down in the last year attempting to as they put it "Buy" there way back into the cave. They had up until this point told everyone to go take a hike.... the cave is closed to jumpers.
So.....here's why: When I first went down to the cave, Mark and Randy were running a very small (5-7 people) trip 7 days a year. Then I started running a trip. Then team Norway started running a trip. Then we all started running trips back to back.... twice a year sometimes... All but suddenly we (basejumpers) were at the cave 2-3 months out of the year. larger groups started coming. On some trips the winch was running from 9 am till almost 4 pm every day. People started getting crazy.... booze....partying.... fireworks around the cave.
Organizers were also paying hefty fees to the local indian council for permits to jump, The rotating council was keeping the money for themselves. The community was seeing certain individuals getting fat off of jumpers. On top of that.... for years people had been promising to help the community out with potable H20 for the upper community.
Now the cave is probably the coolest bird sanctuary / bird anything that I have ever seen. It truly is a treasure. Not just to jumpers. The local looked at us and said : Fuck these guys....... they bring limited funds to a very few individuals(yes we were screwing with the natural balance of the place----financially !!), their loud winch runs all day long echoing thru the community, jumpers are liers and dangling water in front of our noses for many years has made them untrusting of their word, on top of that , not respecting the birds by jumping in when organizers had been told to stop was pretty much the final straw. As Thomas told me .... the rest of the community has seen no benefit from basejumpers . All they have gotten has been 2-3 months of noise, broken promises, and difficult interactions .
I told them I would go back to San Luis and come back with some Ideas. I contacted Bernard Amadei here in Boulder. He is the founder of Engineers Without Borders , a non profit organization that helps poor communities with water, electric, and other engineering projects. This organization is worldwide , and very productive. I am very lucky to live in Boulder,CO , where Mr. Amadei is a professor at CU. He agreed to help with organizing a project to bring water to the community.
I contacted a few fellow jumpers that have been to the cave, as well as some other potential donors about fundraising to make this H20 project happen (thanks Avery).
I drove/boated/hiked/hitchhiked back up to the cave. I met with the community and told them that even though I didn't ever promise them anything, that I would do my best with the help of EWB, and the Mexican government to help them with their H20 problem. I figure what the hell ..... these folks put up with us for many years, the least I can due is try and help out.
At this point they informed me that to repeal the law against parachutes and winches, that it would require not only a 100 % community vote, but also I would need to get approval from the dept. of Ecology and Tourism. A very uphill battle. Back to San Luis I go. I met with the proper Govt. officials, and managed with the community support to involve myself with a current "Management" study that is underway. I met with the professors in charge of the study. They informed me that the study was due to be finished by August 1st.
I plead my case. I explained that we have a long history at the cave. I explained that we had gotten a little carried away , but were wanting to be included in the management plan. I offered technical assistance for the study. I asked that they consider allowing us to come back once a year for 5-10 days , Small group, 1 jump per person per day, Limited winch use of only 1.5-2 hours per day, and last an annual project to help the community as a whole.
They listened .I couldn't believe my ears. They agreed to extend the study to allow us to take part. They agreed to allow me to bring a few people down in Oct. to help with the study. If things go exceptionally well, they may issue a limited permit in April. If we behave..... it may become an annual thing again. No promises ...... but there is a chance.....

Soooooo....................... why am I writing this??????? Because I will be asking for help from everyone. My goal is to affect the community of the cave in a positive manner. I am meeting with EWB on the 14th of this month. They will be setting up a non-profit fund for the Cave. Go-Fast has agreed to help with a fundraiser at the Annual Royal Gorge Go-Fast games. I have contacted a few local businesses , and we are going to do some fundraisers thru my restaurant in the near future. Gear manufacturers have pledged to help with gear donations , Hopefully with everyones support .... we will be able to change the perception of Basejumpers in Mexico.

I want to thank a few folks who have been incredibly supportive : Avery , Marta and Jimmy, Kathy & Rob, Troy W., Manny and my Mom.

I will post soon to let everyone know how things are going.
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Re: [basehoundsam] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
That's awesome Jay...
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Re: [basehoundsam] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
Kudos and gratitude for your efforts.
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Re: [GreenMachine] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
Jay, that´s an awesome job you're doing here in Mexico. A few years ago Gabo and myself went down to Aquismón and visited the Cave.

We had lunch with the head of the village and having a long talk with him. We were very surprised on how does locals want us BASE jumpers to return at the village and help. I remeber that big issue was an old woman that went to the Goverment and presented a complaint about the ecologic impact we were doing, obviously a wrong statement but enough to close this exit point for us.

At that time we didn't have a big plan as you are describing today and I can tell we want to help in anything you like here in our country.

Please don't hesitate on asking me for any help you may need.

Best,

Dx
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Re: [basehoundsam] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
Good on ya Jay. Rebuilding the bridge to the cave.
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Re: [basehoundsam] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
Wow, that's awesome Jay!

If you need any help, you let me know what I can do.
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Re: [basehoundsam] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
Great work Jay. Let me know what you need.
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Re: [tfelber] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
Good form Mate.. Well done. Keep up the Good Work.Wink
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Re: [ChrisHall] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
Top effort there. Fingers crossed you will get it opened up again.
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Re: [meekerboy] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
Awesome man.
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Re: [basehoundsam] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
I am wondering if you did take contact with the local jumpers before you started your research? Shouldnt this be run in cooperation with the locals?
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Re: [434] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
interesting thought... What if he felt that the locals might not be helpful. what if there isn't a base jumper all that close?

curious
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Re: [434] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
434 wrote:
I am wondering if you did take contact with the local jumpers before you started your research? Shouldnt this be run in cooperation with the locals?

About the most local jumper is a couple hours away by airlines and sells sunglasses!

jon
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Re: [jon593] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
He still sells but not sunglases anymore...
But I'm sure that Jay knows all the locals very well...

Jay: when will you be in Switzerland again? We have a new jump that turns the climbing section of the James Bond jump into a piece of cake... :-)
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Re: [basehoundsam] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
Politics, interest conflict, and greed have always been a problem when it comes to organize some locations, and it might stop healthy progression! I did not say it happened in this case. I just asked a question if he did contact the Locals! I did not ask what they did for living, since some of you felt that was important to post!
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Re: [434] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
434 wrote:
Politics, interest conflict, and greed have always been a problem when it comes to organize some locations, and it might stop healthy progression! I did not say it happened in this case. I just asked a question if he did contact the Locals! I did not ask what they did for living, since some of you felt that was important to post!

Don't get your Y-fronts all bunched up your butt crack. I was saying that there are no "locals" for the Cave and by stating the career choice of the nearest one I was avoiding naming names. The site is very remote in terms of jumpers living in the area. Similar to Baffin in some respects. Any locals up there?!

The Cave is a fragile site with delicate and intricate politics, ecology and lots of emotion. It is sacred to the local people some of whom make less than we pay for a cup of coffee for a long, hard day's work. Jumpers go in and pay the local kids more than their dad's make in a week for carrying in their rigs so you can see a small reason for the locals to get their feelings hurt. Add to that insult brash and disrespectful behavior and a fatality or two and POOF gone. Promises made to help have been almost impossible to fulfill due to outside intervention not for lack of trying. Jay is doing very well to have re-established a dialog as well as he has. Jay is becoming "the Locals".

jon
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Re: [jon593] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
I have no problem with Jay, and then I should not have any problem with you?

Why you so angry Smile
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Re: [434] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Status Report
Well, I can tell that we're only 3 active BASE jumpers in Mexico and we don't live so far from the cave. maybe 4 hours driving 1.2 hours flight.

And well, Jay sent me an email asking for Gabo's phone number at that time but he didn't contact me again. Then I saw the post.

Here in Mexico we can help not only for the cave but for any other sites. But, is important to us to be informed about plans.. so, please be in touch for anything anyone may need.

Best,
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Re: [basehoundsam] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Update on the update
 Soooo..... I am flying down to the cave with a friend this week to meet with people about both the H20 project, as well as the folks we are working with on the study/access issue.
As I mentioned at the GO-Fast Games.... I am psyched to announce that the School of Mines in Golden CO has agreed to adopt the cave as their senior planning project for the next five years. They are going to oversee as well as commit serious resources to helping bring potable water to the families around the cave. For those of you who have never heard of the School of Mines...... they are a bad ass engineering school. They know all about drilling holes. We probably couldn't have found smarter people to be involved with.
As far as progress on access..... we'll have to wait and see. I am going to drive down there in March in conjunction with our El Gigante load this year. We will be taking a few grad students from the S.O.M. . A very small group (2-3 of us) will be making very limited jumps into the cave while we support the group of professors that are doing the study.
If things go well .... we will be a step closer to coming back there. It really will be about working both with the Govt., Ecology, and the community to regain access to this site.

I guess I hope to have more to report after next week. Wish me luck.
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Re: [basehoundsam] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Update on the update
Good lucky Jay!
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Re: [basehoundsam] CAVE OF THE SWALLOWS - Update on the update
you are amazing. hat's off to you.

cheers