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Maggot Donation Info . . .
I'm not sure what's going on with this info being deleted both here and on DZ.com. And probably no one disapproved of Maggot's BASE antics more than I, but there comes a time when all that becomes secondary BS. And that time is now.

You can paypal donations to: nicknitro71@yahoo.com

NickD

>>Jerry Piccola "Maggot" really needs your help.

Do what you can but remember that you can make the difference.

Spread the word to family and friends.

I took down one of my websites for the cause:

http://www.egwingsuits.com/
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Nitro Rigging<<
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Re: [NickDG] Maggot Donation Info . . .
NickDG wrote:
I'm not sure what's going on with this info being deleted both here and on DZ.com.

I deleted it from here, too.

If someone else wants to post the info. that's fine.

Nick Rugai is not welcome here (or there), as a result of his own actions (he impersonated someone else in an effort to make other people angry at that person).

I suggest that everyone consider the consequences of their actions. The purpose of this forum is to communicate. You can't trash that purpose for everyone else and then want to use it for your own purposes (regardless of what they are, or how noble).

If you want to piss in the soup we all drink, don't expect us to let you keep helping yourself to it.


By the way, DZ.com has a policy that charity requests must be approved before posting. If someone (not Nick, probably) just asks Sangiro if they can make the post, I doubt it will be a problem.
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Re: [TomAiello] Maggot Donation Info . . .
TomAiello wrote:
NickDG wrote:
I'm not sure what's going on with this info being deleted both here and on DZ.com.

I deleted it from here, too.

If someone else wants to post the info. that's fine.

Nick Rugai is not welcome here (or there), as a result of his own actions (he impersonated someone else in an effort to make other people angry at that person).

As has been been pointed out more than a few times over the years, there is a double, and perhaps, triple or quadruple standard in play. I have seen (actionable) libel allowed to stand on dropzone.com, so a little (temporary, and bound to be found out) identity (screenname) theft pales in comparison.

TomAiello wrote:
I suggest that everyone consider the consequences of their actions.

I suggest that in this instance management has not considered the appalling consequences of its randomly-enforced policies.

Dropzone.com and Basejumper.com are the internet, not real life.

Jerry's accident and injuries are real life. Devastatingly so.

To compare the two as if there is some analogy between them is an error in critical thinking.

TomAiello wrote:
The purpose of this forum is to communicate. You can't trash that purpose for everyone else and then want to use it for your own purposes (regardless of what they are, or how noble).

Even cop killers get needed medical care. In this case, someone wants to ask for donations--giving is strictly voluntary. In the case of cop killers, we pay, whether we like it or not (in the US, at least).

TomAiello wrote:
If you want to piss in the soup we all drink, don't expect us to let you keep helping yourself to it.

I know people--including me--who, in other situations, have made contributions on behalf of those who have offended them (and worse), because catastrophe requires rising above the petty.

This is petty.

TomAiello wrote:
By the way, DZ.com has a policy that charity requests must be approved before posting. If someone (not Nick, probably) just asks Sangiro if they can make the post, I doubt it will be a problem.

I'm relieved that NickDG's post has not been recycled, but I am speechless that institutional animosity toward the messenger (the other Nick) could result in the message being lost.

rl
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Re: [RhondaLea] Maggot Donation Info . . .
RhondaLea wrote:
I'm relieved that NickDG's post has not been recycled, but I am speechless that institutional animosity toward the messenger (the other Nick) could result in the message being lost.

I could mention things, but that would add to the thread drift and further loss of the message. that does not help maggot in the least.

we have all made mistakes. now is not the time to judge, especially if there is a time critical nature to successful treatment. I'd prefer people focusing on:

1) Jerry needs help. was he doing something foolish when the accident happened? I do not know, nor do I care.

2) Nick Rugai cares for Jerry and has taken the lead among us toward helping his friend. is he perfect? I'd rather focus on the good he is trying to accomplish. let karma reward him.

3) I would have made this thread sticky, but I did not need to as Tom beat me to it. the only thing that will change that is continued criticism (or a successful outcome - go Jerry!).

simply put, a fellow jumper is in a hospital needing help. let's provide it. let's not worry about the cast of characters.
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Re: [NickDG] Maggot Donation Info . . .
rhonda lea and nickdg, i respect you both right now more than ever. the wisdom that can only come with experience and age shows through.

tom, i respect you now less than ever. as has already been stated much more eloquently by rhondalea, try not to let your internet based ego stand in the way of helping another, fuckall what theve posted in the past.
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Re: [avenfoto] Maggot Donation Info . . .
As posted on the forum regarding Maggot's Injury. Just wanted to clarify, the site Nick has setup is completely legit and highly commendable. Thank you NickDG and rhondalea. Tom, please know things have happened in the past, but what Nick is doing is for Jerry and Jerry only. Thank you.

Bryan Cavage
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Re: [RhondaLea] Maggot Donation Info . . .
Let’s look at what happened here:

1) Hookitt posted a request that Nick Rugai had made for photos and video of Maggot. That was fine, it was here, and everyone understood that.

2) Nick Rugai, already knowing he could have other people post these sorts of requests for him, decided to create yet another username for himself, to post. Why didn’t he just have someone else pass the request along? That would clearly have been easier, simpler, and caused less drama.

3) I removed Nick Rugai’s post and disabled his latest username. That was obviously going to happen, given his history of lies and deception on these forums. Nick was permanently banned because he impersonated another rigger and attacked people on-line under that name, making several people very angry--in real life--at the innocent victim of his identity theft.

4) Immediately upon removing Nick Rugai’s request, I put up an explanation. I added that if someone else wanted to post the information, that was fine. Nick Di Giovanni posted the information a few minutes later, and I stuck it to the top of the forum.

5) I’ve gotten lots of flak for this. I think it’s kind of funny that the people who are yelling “don’t make this about anything but Maggot” are the exact same people who are making posts calling me names. What happened to “let’s get past the drama and pull together to help Maggot?” Are you really so worried about who posts the request that you’re going to let that be more important than what you decide to do?

6) Sangiro would prefer that I remove this entire discussion, and not allow any posts about Maggot or re-posting of messages from Nick. Remember that he still has final control (meaning he has all the ability and the legal right to toss me, you, or all of us off this forum), and that I’m the one trying to convince him that this is an effort that we ought to allow to go on here. He’s (understandably, I think) not very fond of Nick Rugai (who spread lies and deception through his forums) or of Maggot (who posted a number of very offensive comments about his wife).

I’m doing what I can to help out here, subject to the constraints imposed on me as a direct result of Nick Rugai’s (and to some extent Maggot’s) past antics on this forum and at Dropzone.com. People here aren’t making that any easier by bitching at me about it.
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Re: [NickDG] Maggot Donation Info . . .
Let’s look at what Nick Rugai is trying to organize for Maggot:

Nick wants to raise money to fly Maggot to a third world country (Costa Rica or China appear to be the top candidates at this moment). He wants to put him on a commercial flight as soon as possible, and certainly before his spinal fusion has a chance to set. He wants to take him to a clinic in a third world country, to have an untested medical procedure with no history of proven success. He wants to do this before Maggot has finished his rehabilitation care.

What are the chances that such treatments can be successful? Nick writes “Jerry has one chance and once chance only to walk again” and “trust me when I tell you that stem cells are Jerry’s only real hope.” There has never been a peer reviewed study documenting significant improvement as a result of stem cell treatments in a spinal cord injury case similar to Maggot’s.

Nick cites two articles on his web page. Let’s look at them:

In the Nature article here, there is a report of a C3 quadraplegic (that’s someone with a spinal cord injury just a few inches below their skull) who underwent experimental stem cell treatment, and recovered some sensation to C4 (that’s about an inch lower) and some motor function to C5 (that’s about two inches lower). In this case, that’s a great improvement. Instead of being on a mechanical ventilator to breathe, this patient may be able to come off the ventilator at some times. He might recover some deltoid and bicep function. He’s still a quadriplegic, and won’t be able to (for example) use a manual wheelchair, but getting off the vent is a serious improvement in his life. This is the most successful treatment yet reported anywhere.

What if Maggot got similar fantastic results? With his level of injury (variously reported as somewhere between T2 and T5—that’s just below the armpits down to somewhere in the middle of his chest), a sensory improvement of one level would give him additional feeling over a band about an inch wide in the middle of his chest. He might even get some motor control to an inch or so below that. He’d still be unable to use his abdominal muscles, meaning he couldn’t sit up without using his hands to push or pull himself up. That’s a long way from Nick’s call for him to “run and walk again.”


Let’s look at the other article, from NeuroRehabilitation and Neural Repair, that Nick cites on his web page. The abstract is here. In this case, the authors observed 7 spinal cord injury patients who received stem cell treatments. 5 of the 7 patients suffered serious complications, including meningitis. Most importantly, “no clinically useful sensorimotor, disability or autonomic improvements were found.” The authors of the article note that “Perioperative morbidity and lack of functional benefit were identified as the most serious clinical shortcomings.” In other words, the procedures didn’t help any of the patients, and 5 of the 7 actually got sicker as a result.



What will Maggot miss out on as a result of doing this? He’ll be missing out on world class rehabilitation care he’s currently scheduled for at one America’s (and the world’s) top facilities (Kessler). He’ll lose necessary care at a time that is critical to his long term recovery. He’d also, in all likelihood, be going against his doctor’s orders, which could result in his current physicians refusing to participate in his follow up care.

Maggot is early in the course of his recovery, and spinal cord injury is extremely complex. It’s entirely possible, especially with an incomplete spinal cord injury, that he could regain a great deal of function, and might even walk again. I believe that his best chance for recovery, and returning to as much of his life as possible, is not in unproven, experimental procedures, but rather in following a proven course of rehabilitation with dedicated professionals who specialize in helping people with injuries like his.

Could the money raised for Maggot be spent in better ways to help him? I’m not sure what kind of resources he can tap, but the expenses involved in dealing with a return to normal life after a spinal cord injury are substantial. Adaptive equipment, wheelchair(s), home modifications, re-training (especially important here, as Maggot’s current work is physical labor he probably won’t be able to return to). Maybe we should be looking for ways to help him with some of those expenses and efforts, rather than shipping him off somewhere for experimental procedures with no record of success in cases like his.

My wife is a physician who specializes in rehabilitation of, among other things, spinal cord injury and brain injury—exactly what Maggot is going through. She spends all day, every day helping people in those sorts of situation. She’s a real expert on these conditions--board certified, licensed, and practicing this sort of medicine every day. She’s offered to talk with anyone who wants her professional opinions on either the efficacy of this proposed stem cell treatment, or on the best treatments and therapies for Maggot to receive, to get back into his life as quickly, and as fully, as possible. If you’d like to speak with her, send me a PM with your phone number, and I’ll have her call you.
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Re: [wwarped] Maggot Donation Info . . .
wwarped wrote:
I could mention things, but that would add to the thread drift and further loss of the message. that does not help maggot in the least.

I completely agree.

The unfortunate part of my message is that the criticism therein may be interpreted as being directed at Tom. That was not my intention, and it is the reason why I changed the word "personal" to "institutional" in the latter part.

I would like to point out that having been around for awhile, I have seen instances in which Tom has allowed severe criticism--to the point of egregious personal attacks--against himself, all the in the name of trying to be fair.

We should all remember that even he is bound by a higher authority.

I have seen the rest of the posts in the thread, and I appreciate the kind remarks, but I see no reason to carry this onward, given that--at the moment, at least--the plea on Jerry's behalf has not been recycled.

rl

Edited to add: No matter the ultimate choice of treatment, Jerry is going to need a lot money to mitigate the damage, and given the quality of the friendship between Jerry and Nick, it is my opinion that Nick is the very best qualified person to administer the donated funds. There is no doubt in my mind that Nick will see to it that Jerry gets every penny, regardless of the type of medical plan Jerry chooses to follow.
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Re: [TomAiello] Maggot Donation Info . . .
one question I'd like to add...

how do Jerry's family feel about the stem cell option? I assume they currently are making the decisions. no matter how passionate Nick might be, or how much money he raises, it may not matter.

godspeed Jerry!
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Re: [RhondaLea] Maggot Donation Info . . .
Tom,

Don't buy into having to over-explain your motives. The majority of the BASE community understands what and who you truly are. When you put yourself out on the limb, like some of us do here, we run the risk of suffering the cheap shots from certain (for lack of a better phrase) cyber-BASE-bullies.

I recall you making your bones on Mick's old BASEboard. Long before most of the current distracters were involved in BASE jumping. I regret the times I saw you getting hammered here on this forum and didn't jump in to defend you. And sometimes when it's me getting the business I wondered where is everyone, why isn't anyone throwing me a lifeline? But I do get them, and I'm sure you do too. They come in the form of PMs and emails, and face to face chats. It's like being in a street fight here sometimes. The second you start hoping someone steps in to break it up you already lost the fight. My problem is they drag me down to their level and I make things worse. You've always been better at that than me.

I guess what I'm saying is let the dice roll, play to your better Angels, and take comfort that for every bandwagon naysayer there are dozens, maybe even hundreds or thousands, who lurk but know you're righteous.

We all live on the same small block in Parachute City. When we gaze out our windows and just watch as a neighbor gets pummeled in the street below we make it worse for ourselves. Ever watch those cable shows about prison life, like "San Quentin, Lock Up?" I always thought, man, instead of fighting amongst themselves if those prisoners bandied together and acted as one against their true oppressors, the prison system, they could forge an almost idyllic way of life for themselves. But they won't get it done; because they are too stupid to see passed their own noses.

And sometimes it seems so are we . . .

I got a good one not so long ago via PM. "Hey Nick, do us all a favor and hurry up and die of cancer." I don't get what to do about that other than to ignore it. But I do know we could do better.

P.S. Hiya, Mrs. Peaches . . .

NickD Smile
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Re: [RhondaLea] Maggot Donation Info . . .
I made a post on Dropzone.com about Jerrold's accident and pointed people here for more information and to make donations.

Just a comment - I always smile when the "wise" amongst us tell people how the "internet is just the internet" in the same breath that they are getting upset about the fact that somebody may not be allowed to use the internet to do something for them - like help their friend...

I hope Jerrold heals well and fast. I also hope that he (and his silent friends) would take a step back and realize that you reap what you sow, and that making comments like the one in this thread are hurtful and malicious towards people who have done nothing to him.

I don't need to state my sentiments about Nick to explain how I perceive Jerrold. He stands (and falls) on his own merits.

Hope you get better soon Maggot.
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Re: [sangiro] Maggot Donation Info . . .
sangiro wrote:
making comments like the one in this thread are hurtful and malicious towards people who have done nothing to him.

Wow. I read what Maggot said about you on that other site. The fact that you have allowed them to post here in support of him is impressive. I wouldn't have.
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Re: [sangiro] Maggot Donation Info . . .
Sangiro,

We do reap what we sow, and we live with the bridges we burn. I know this from personal experience.

That said, I sincerely thank you for your support of Jerry's in this time of crisis for him.

It goes to show, no matter how dysfunctional we are as a community, we are still that, a community, and because of that, we help our own.

I may have had disagreements with you in the past, but my hat is off to you for your support Sangiro.
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Re: [sangiro] Maggot Donation Info . . .
It takes a very special person to do what you are doing.

Thank you.
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Re: [980] Maggot Donation Info . . .
I would like to start by introducing myself. I am Maggot's little sister Holly and as many of you know I have been making the decisions regarding his medical care along with Dad. First and foremost I am VERY grateful for all of your support. I know better than anyone that Jerry can rub people the wrong way from time to time (I lived with him for 25 years ) and I am so happy that people have been able to look past that.
Jerry's injuries are very serious and numerous. I can assure you all that we are making the best possible decisions for Jerry's long term care. Any money that is raised for him will be used for his care. Right now he is in no condition to be moved anywhere. The plan right now is just to get him stable enough to be moved out of ICU.
I will try to keep everyone as up to date s possible.
Feel free to visit http://www.caringbridge.org/...t/jerrymaggotpiccola

We update the journal on that site everyday from the hospital.
Thanks
Holly
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Re: [sangiro] Maggot Donation Info . . .
Thank you for rising above it all.
Peace
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Re: [stemcell4all] Maggot Donation Info . . .
stemcell4all wrote:
Thank you for rising above it all.
Peace
DITTO
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Re: [NickDG] Maggot Donation Info . . .
Bid on Maggot!

As most of you know, I have been collecting, producing & commissioning Aviation and Space Art for many years.

I am currently assembling several historic signed Aviation and Space Art pieces that will be auctioned on Ebay starting next week.

All proceeds (less Ebay, PayPal & Shipping fees) will go directly to Maggot (Jerry) to assist with his recovery.

The list includes:

Apollo 11 / Michael Collins hand signed giclee (Artist Thomas Smith)
Apollo 11 / Buzz Aldrin hand signed giclee (Artist Thomas Smith)
Apollo 15 Launch photo hand signed by Commander Dave Scott (16x20 w/coa)
Four 8x10 Excelsior III mission photos signed by Joe Kittinger
SR-71 Art print signed by 30+ pilots and crew members
Apollo 17 mission photo signed by Commander Gene Cernan (16x20 w/coa)
Mercury & Beyond Art print signed by Carpenter, Schirra, Cooper (Artist Pat Eby)

Additional items will be offered. No junk, top of the line collector items only.

Ebay user: Bazair2air (274) 100% positive rating

The great thing about signed art is that the authenticity can never be questioned. The artist, the Astronaut/Pilot and the producer were all involved throughout the process and agreed to a single goal, “To Document History.” The signing event is recognized by collectors around the world and photos are taken during the signing.

This fact will make the piece more valuable over time.

Several of these items are very rare, so I just wanted to give advance notice that they will be available. I will post again as soon as they are listed.

Our thoughts and best wishes are with Jerry.

Blue Skies!
Baz
www.ChrisBazil.com