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I dont post anymore but this past week has been nuts. 3 way off G-spot and then 1st BASE jump ever off Tombstone. Just got the news by someone who was out there. Dont know anything but he has some skydiving experience.

OK, back to basics. Moab is fun but dangerous, back in the day, when I used to jump, the recommended # of jumps for Moab was 30 then 50. Now it's back down to 0 jumps. Search and Rescue are REALLY NOT HAPPY with BASE jumpers now. Have a little respect for the sport. If you want to do your 1st BASE jump, please go somewhere else, NOT MOAB!

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Ditto, don't fuck it up for the rest. Have fun but dont shit in our own backyard.

What group was there, who was the mentor, who was the jumper?

Not that it helps the situtation, but maybe someone can talk some sense into the quote unquote "mentor."

 
This is not new. Seen it before. I was there and watched it happen. At several points along the way I suggested that this was not such a good idea but that didn't stop them, the jumper and the person organising the trip, from continueing along that path. As it happened every thing turned out fine and the little punk ass shit went on to become a well known freeflyer.
Perrion is by any deffinition a sweet site. I would highly encurage people to take advantage of it. But the truth is that all of us that learned to jump in the pre Perrion days learned on less frogiving objects and we did just fine for the most part.
Why would some one do it this way when the bridge is there? Becouse the bridge wasn't there and the cliff was. It's not a good demmenstration of disaplen. Something which seems to be less and less evedent in newer jumpers. Why I don't know but that's the way it is and I don't see it changing.

Lee

why all this pointless questions? i don`t think no one forced the first timer to jump...yes..this site may not be the best object to start with, but it`s up to the student to jump...he decided to jump and he paid for it. It`s easy as that...a student must make up they`re own damn mind. This is not skydiving.

Not pointless at all. If his mentor can't make a smart decision.... Maybe someone can assist him

MOAB - A reminder of recommended prerequisites

Jumping guidelines already exist for Moab on this forum. Having spoken to Jimmy & Marta at APEX in Moab, I would like to pass on the following.

This is the guidance provided by APEX BASE located in Moab on the minimum experience required before considering jumping in Moab with APEX BASE.

Moab is an 'advanced' BASE jumping location due to the technicality of the jumps, compounded by a challenging environment - this is already covered in the guidelines on this forum and I won't go into more details.

If you plan to jump in Moab with APEX BASE you must complete the following prerequisites:

1. Completed the Apex BASE first jump course.
2. Accumulated at least 60 BASE jumps.
3. Be current.
4. Completed the Apex BASE Advanced Training (ABAT) course (If you already have a climbing background and are trained in first aid the ABAT course may be waived.)

Additionally, they will aim to put you in touch with local jumpers to help and advise with other cliff jumps (i.e. no two cliffs are the same, nor are the conditions).

Here is my 2 cents:

The above applies to you if you want to jump with APEX, however, the guidelines are simple:

1. You should have formal training.
2. You should be a current and experienced jumper. Jump numbers are just a guideline and ideally, you should have had to play with your rear risers (or however you choose to carry out object strike avoidance) before trying it for the 1st time at a cliff.
3. Be prepared for the worst. A skateboard helmet and 12oz of water in 96degreeF is not enough preparation just because it is Tstone (not necessarily relating to this incident - just a general comment). In my opinion every BASE jumper should be able to carry out basic 1st Aid.

Additionally, there is quite a few local BASE jumpers in town with rope management for climbing rescues and first aid basics skills. Incidents/accidents do happen in Moab, but most of the time they don't make the news, since we are able to carry out self-rescues. Of course every jump incident/accident is different, but assess the situation and then make the appropiate call, however, please consider the local resources (read BASE jumpers in town) first. Additionally, please think of what you say, and who you say it to, when you are at a scene of a BASE incident/accident. The first thing one of the SAR officers said to me after I arrived at Tstone was "BASE jumpers are idiots - this was this guys 1st BASE jump ever - why did he come here?". This was a different attitude to the previous incidents where they accepted it as an unfortunate accident since the jumper was experienced. Additionally, the other jumpers at the scene had already stabilized the casualty and where able to assist the SAR team with the rescue.

Please take from the above what you can, if you feel personally offended by anything I said, please feel free to pm me, but don't deviate from the thread because you have personal issues with some of the things I said.


p.s. Is the ground crew and injured party willing to share the photos of the incident?

Regards

Mick

You're being too kind Mick. That's why you're cool.

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Yes Mick your way to kind

I* think that guys mentor needs a good swift kick in tha ass.

And I think That u should start booby traping the path up to tombstone with claymores so any body thats a wanna be base jumper aka not in the in crowd will be blown up before they can go in.

further more who took this guy up there
and how many Skydives did he have
and who is he so i can flame him out

hmmmm...

skipping the mentor part, got any comments for a jumper who gets hung up on a Moab wall?

surely you have an opinion on that...

well pat your self on the back thats a good one.
when your right your right .

but I did have 174 base jumps when that happend

and the first words out of my mouth were dont call search and rescue just get me a rope

then Lee and Dude recude me like super heros

with out the help or search and rescue

only telling what NOT to do is poor teaching.

providing an example of what TO do is always better. you chose to jump with great support, thus limiting the embarrassment to yourself. the sport looked good.

I wish the newbie had chosen as well.
<did I just type THAT?!?! you, a ROLE model?!?>

I think I'm as confussed as you on this one

Hey Lee,

Can I go on one of your trips up to Baffin for a FJC?! I'm really radd at BMX and can grind pretty good on a skateboard.

(Could I borrow some gear and a sleeping bag too?)

jon

 
In point of fact we came dangerously close to throwing on of the climbers off the top of Kigut last year. He was from Norway and a skydiver. Every time I jumped I was calling down to them threatening how we were going to pitch him off the exit point after his haulbag. Later when they came over to Chads camp and were hanging out in the big dome. I was telling every one about my threat. "So, how many jumps do you have?", Chad. "I only have about two houndred.", climber. At that moment a silence decended across the groop gathered there. We all looked around at each other and smiles started to spread across all of our faces. Kigut is a beutiful poised or one step exit. No need for a hard jump. The over hang is about 2,500 ft long and fairly hollow at the middle, not quite as good as #7. The landing area is about 7 miles across and flat as a board. You can track over the ice necked with out even trying. As slider up cliffs go it is just about the perfect first jump cliff. You could just feel it in the air. The eyes of all the gods turning to watch this little drama. Whether it turned out good or bad it was going to be one hell of a show. Then Chad sort of shook him self and cryed out, "No, no we can't do that!" He started makeing excuses about company pollicies and other shit but by then the moment was passed. It was like a breath being let out and you could feel the eyes turning away in disapointment. We were close thoue. We almost poped that poor climbers cherry up there on Baffin. I wonder if he reallized how close he was to eternal glory, one way or the other.

Lee