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Ok as blunt as my topic seems i would like to know why nobody has invented a safe jumping place for most jumpers

my fantasy ideal starts of like this

creating a huge building with different concepts on each wall, one shaped like a cliff and another like an antena, the free fall would take place at almost 10 to 12 stories high at the bottom their would be a huge field filled with cushion and support to withstand a free fall at 120 mph something like this has to be invented it would change methods of practice for ever and would encourage the sport instead of drawing it away from the public with this invention the possiblities would be endless

Instead of cushions, you could make it a very slippery slide. It would be something that starts out completely vertical, but then very gradually levels out, so by the time you reach the bottom, you are almost completely parallel to the ground.

ah a sense of humor

besides the fact that this would relatively put a down fall to the death rate in base jumping alone considering their being no need for hesitant unusefull movements, it would also bring a better aspect to the sport allowing unexperienced jumpers to allowing themselve's to try new things in a safe inviroment

im not saying to replace it all together im just saying lets make a place for begginers to and experts alike to harness their skills and be ready for the next big jump

you want to practice exits, go to a diving board (or pendulator) . You want to practice terminal stability, go skydiving. I really dont see what this would be useful for. A lot of the technicality of a base jump is being in the right position when you pitch, and flying a canopy very very accurately. I fail to see how this would teach you do do either.


I just reread your post again. So seriously, you want to take the different objects, sneakyness, and parachute out of base jumping.... then is not base jumping. Hell, people will get on you that an unpacked jump isnt a base jump, let alone a fall into a stunt bag. I could go on, but ill leave some for the others...

unpacked jump`s is definitive a base jump..as long as you launching from an object

Dude...the whole point of BASE jumping is that its a serious sport that can KILL YOU! There has to be consequence. Thats what gets your blood pumping...right? If your a begginer, but are too afraid to jump because there aren't any "foam mats" or safety nets under you, then go join the girls gymnastics team.
BASE wouldn't be BASE if it was all sugar coated with unneccesary safety measures. Do a PCA off of the Perrine....thats as safe as it needs to be. If BASE became completly safe then every dumbass and his mom would be jumping.

Save some money and replace those expensive cushions with a big bungie cord tied to the object and your ankles.

this made me think about a way i thought i might be able to practice base exits. having a cushion under my 2 story apartment and run off the roof with a practice harness and pilot chute.
basically the same preperation as the penjulator, but with more freefall.

I think you may have become lost. It happens.



Let me help redirect you. http://www.thrillnetwork.com/boards/

i cam up with a pretty good way to pactice base exits too. its called..


going base jumping.


seriously. this shit is getting rediculous.

You can build pendulators with as much freefall as you want--just rig the anchors higher up.

Here ya go, they have this in my town.

http://www.gojump.com/net.html

Better worst, the cable controled bullshit base jump in NZ Auckland :

http://www.skyjump.co.nz/

all of yall are just plain stumbed,

and i belive that one of yall commented that the thrill of base jumping is the consequences themselves

what are you 12 fucking years old seriously, their is no fun in danger no matter how you put it if you wanna risk your life then go play russian rulet you fucking idiot, and yes yall are right i am new to this thing and to be honest ive never base jumped in my life but this summer im getting done with my core skydiving classes and plan to jump some antennas afterwards

skydiving and base jumping are not so alike except for three key elements, falling, parachute, and tracking, other than that they fall into differences, if you ask any logical base jumper how he learned acrobatics in the air he'll tell you that a wind tunnel would be sutiable but what if you could skip that process and practice on an invetion like so

yall have just miss understood my point in the whole thread but whatever im glad for yalls opinoin

and sorry that i was missed informed about base jumping

If i wanted to be safe, i'd go to disneyland.

What makes BASE so much fun is the inherent risk involved. No danger = no fun.

You just don't get it, do you?

Nope, you are the fucking idiot in this thread and a class A one at that. Neither your post or your "idea" make any sense at all.
Yes, the element of danger is a factor that most people enjoy and I am sorry that you are just a simple fucker that cannot see the bigger picture.
Acrobatics.....wind tunnel!?! Are you fucking kidding me? I know quite a few BASE jumpers that do aerials and not one of them learned to do so in a wind tunnel because that makes no sense at all, kind of like you. Seriously, what colour is the sky on your planet?

Go back to Six Flags, it's probably more your speed. The engineers have taken out most of the possible dangers.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHT5U4zNiqU

There ya go.

hang him...i say hang him cowboys, he has no credibility

now that is hillarious!

Now those are more of the responses I was expecting... I can come up with tons of great ideas. Hang gliding without the wing, just a picture of the sky and a big fan. I sincerely hope that you are joking with the original post, because otherwise, by coming on a base jumping website and suggesting that base jumpers be safer and remove parachutes from their jumps, while posting a random jeb corliss picture, you have officially submitted your own nomination for the biggest douche in the universe award. Congratulations, and good luck.

Come on man, take it easy on the new guy, would ya?

o.k., enough.

you've both called each other f***ing idiots. let's end the personal attacks there.

Falling4Freedom
did you lurk this forum before posting? did you attempt to use the search feature? (if you did and had difficulty, let us know.) if so, you'd realize people take jumping seriously. many have considered ideas to help the sport. one person has posted about creating a BASE sort of park, which would permit real jumping.

if you desire to be taken seriously, try to understand the people who read your posts. think it through before posting. acting rashly has killed people in BASE. break that habit now.

I don't understand the responses this guy is getting. The original post doesn't suggest that this is BASE jumping. It doesn't suggest that it's a replacement for BASE jumping. It suggests an activity that I think would be a riot, if it were technically feasible, and would certainly be relevant to developing good BASE skills, as well.

The pendulator's great, and bungee jumping is fun, but a 2-3 second freefall, no parachute, completely unattached to anything? That'd be something else entirely. I expect most of you guys have seen this video. When you first saw it, did you say to yourself, "Pfff. That's not a BASE jump! What crap!"?

As to the draw of the danger itself, I can't believe I'm the first to say here that, if there were a "plan z" failsafe that took most of the risk out of BASE, while not otherwise changing the experience, this would only make me more interested in the sport. If danger is your thing, then I'm not going to judge you for it. But I expect there are a lot of jumpers who enjoy the visuals, and the flight, more than the possibility of gory death.

To answer the original question, then... I think it'd be awesome if something like this were developed. I suspect that the reason it hasn't been is that the decelerations involved in most practical systems (the cardboard boxes, for instance) are still such that it's really important that you hit the target right. Think about it this way... If you accelerated to your end speed in ten stories at 1g, then it'll take you ten stories to decelerate back to zero at the same rate. And even then, you're looking at a force equivalent, if you came in head-first, to standing on your head (actually on your head). Given how time-consuming even the existing systems are to set up, it seems pretty unlikely that this kind of thing would fly. So to speak.

Not quite true. If you're freeflying in a head-down position, then the air is producing exactly enough force to counter your weight. Because it's distributed, it's not so bad.

Michael

Fair enough. Still, even a 20-foot-deep field of foam that wraps you up like a cannoli seems like a bit of a technical stretch at this point.

whoa alot of tense people,

im sorry but i did not mean to strike up a an argument at least not on purpose ,

im not going to point myself out and tell yall that yall are wrong

in no means would i do that, i just think that the last comment about the features of death is just alittle over board, im sure yall can all agree that you would like to live after a base jump, and yes i actually heard a base jumper say that windtunnels are used for acrobatics, who am i to tell him he's wrong when i obvisouly have no knowledge other than the one granted to me by internet, i live in texas in a small town of allen, excuse me for some reason affending yall but im new to this and i will honestly admit it, call me a noob or whatever but i had an ideal and all i wanted was someones opinoin NOT Criticism

BASE 736,

I really appreciate your thought on my thread, i honestly belive your the only one that got it, and i appreciate the feed back

AS FOR THE PICTURE OF JEB CORLISS THAT WAS PUT THEIR ON ACCIDENT SORRY

I ran into an interesting video this morning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjlpamhrId8

Watching the video, all I could think was, "Sign me up!" I think we can all agree there's pretty much zero risk of death in this experiment, but I could nevertheless easily spend a day doing this.

With this particular setup, I still don't think I'd want to land on my head--looks like a broken neck to me. But can you imagine a similar tower with some kind of catch system at the bottom which would allow you to end in whatever body position you want? It's not a replacement for BASE jumping, but that's something I could have a lot of fun with.

In my mind, though, the biggest reason why such a setup wouldn't replace BASE jumping has little to do with the risk of death, and a lot to do with variety. Although it would make a great training platform, I doubt it's something I would do on a regular basis, simply because the environment never changes. One of the greatest things about BASE, for me--and one of the things that most distinguishes it from skydiving--is the uniqueness of each exit point and each landing area.

I really don't think I'm that hung up on the danger side of things. In fact, these days I do just about everything I can to mitigate the danger, while at the same time striving to enjoy the variety.

Michael

Cool video

I hope that dude doesn't practice his tracking skills while on that thing.
I don't know how much of a 'jump' this really is, since he is released by a mechanism. Looks like they try to make sure pretty damn hard that he has absolutely zero horizontal speed, or else, splat.

I can see falling from that thing with a tether attached, that then unreels more slowly as you approach the ground, allowing you to fall in ways other than straight down on your back. But that seems like it's getting close to a bungee setup. Maybe tack on some rings/bearings for doing aereals as well? Beats me, maybe it can be done.

The drugged-out rats are also pretty neat to look at.

This is the device they used for the experiment:

http://www.gojump.com/net.html

Michael

or maybe this would be kind of fun??

i would like a jello shot, made with hi-c ecto cooler and 151.

While I have not yet performed an aerial on a BASE
jump, I have seen them, spoke with guys who do them,
and spent 90+ minutes in a wind tunnel, based on this:

*I really doubt that time in a wind tunnel
would do much good for BASE jumpers!*

I could be wrong but I just don't see how it would help!
You can NOT practice exits, you can NOT practice canopy
skills, you can NOT practice tracking, and doing flips in
the tunnel is NOT the same as doing it on a BASE jump
cause the tunnel air speed is much higher than any exit
speed, unless maybe if you're doing a hobo BASE jump.

The other cheap options though have been tried and
demonstrated to work great... like swimming pools,
pendulators, and platforms available at the natural
springs in sunny Florida


*Please Note: I love flying in the tunnel and know
that it does help skydivers, a lot, but most BASE
jumpers already have more than 200+ skydives,
which is well over an hour of air time.

 
found a nice e last year - to practice head up only...

if you fail, you'll feel it!

To the original poster...
I think the whole idea is ridiculous and highlights a complete and total lack of knowledge in the 'reasons' why BASE jumpers BASE jump.....
(and there are plenty)
Its a lack of understanding I would urge you to address before you consider doing your first BASE jump

Its not glorification of the ultimate consequence that can befall a jumper who gets it wrong or just suffers the consequence of fate...every jumper I have ever met has a life wish...not a death wish.
But
Its the complete satisfaction, feeling of accomplishment, feeling of being in the moment ,feeling of relief that you survived it and the feeling of your heart pounding because you cant 'guarantee' the outcome before you commit to doing it.
If it was all safe with no risk....then I doubt very much you would experience anything even remotely close.
Ive maybe not explained it very well.....but its a set of feelings that are immediately recognisable by those who do it.

Regarding aerials....I have extremely limited experience of them in the BASE environment but more than enough to know that performing 'aerials' in a wind tunnel and doing the same of a zero airspeed BASE exit are very different skills.

I find my self agreeing with u I think Im going to puke

I partially disagree with you on the fact that there are base jumps where you have enough airspeed that I feel a tunnel may assist.

I say this because I have learned (at least with myself) better control when learning things first at a slower airspeed (ie slow freeflying) before progressing to a higher airspeed.

Further I feel that once you have learned a technique "slow" in a skydiving sense, then faster in a fast Freefly sense, that you can then learn to perform aerials/ movements more proficiently and more economically. Maybe even slower?

Basically, to sum it up, you could learn to perform better by learning to fly your body slower.

So Tom, by you saying that,"I really doubt that time in a wind tunnel would do much good for BASE jumpers" is akin to saying a spring board and foam pitt can't help a acrobatic diver.

I don't see the parallel there. You're talking like a wind tunnel would do the same thing as a trampoline and harness/rope system. A wind tunnel is pretty worthless for base aerials imo. The forces involved simply don't parallel base aerials.

edit: nm, I misread. I thought you were talking aerials specifically, not base in a broader sense.

But I would also say that a spring board and a foam put would do more for base jumpers than a wind tunnel would. If you have enough air speed to keep you up in a tunnel, trying to do a nice slow controlled gained is going to put you right into the wall.

I am not disagreeeing with you on the spring board...

but


I disagree... you can do a slow controled gainer in a tunnel...

...but you wouldn't be doing it the same way you would if you were to do it from a solid object. If you want to jump a terminal cliff, track away from it, and THEN do a slow, controlled, and graceful gainer at terminal, then by all means buy some tunnel time and knock yourself out (pun intended )

Basically, the gainer discussion comes down to "aerobatic" and "acrobatic" flips.
If you find your favourite 2K ft tower, flip off, you are being acrobatic with your aerial.
Once you are tracking away from it and you decide to be a hotshot and bust out that other backflip, you are using the airspeed that you have gained thanks to gravity doing what it does over the last few hundred feet. That would be the aerobatic flips that you would learn in the tunnel.

And I can do a perfectly slow gainer in the tunnel and not bounce off of the wall, you just need to know how to fly your body properly all the way through the flip. Tres simple!

And for you, Mr. OP...

Falling ten plus stories onto your head if you have a bad exit, even into foam, sounds like cripple/death territory to me. The liability coverage for such a place would be astronomical.

If you want to work on BASE exits, they have high dive boards.

Plus, I really, really like flying my parachute, one of my key loves of BASE.

japp.. some speedy gonzales canopies we are flying aren`t we??

I love swooping my increasingly decreasing skydiving canopy, but I also love just siiiiiinking in my BASE canopy anywhere I want in a tiny field.

I can appreciate a full range of flight.