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I don't know, maybe it's just me. Is anyone else seeing a trend lately of people registering and posting with very little or zero credibility??

It has always been my belief that once you had been in the sport for a few years, it would be nearly impossible to slip through the cracks without having met at least a few other jumpers. And the community overall worldwide is still small enough, that out of 3 jumpers, somebody is bound to know of one of them.

But lately, we have people posting that seem to think they should be handed stuff because they registered and filled out part of a profile.

Newsflash!!! Unless some you new guys can start providing some sort of credibility other than your good word don't be expecting help.
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Re: [stitch] Credibility
This coming from a guy who isn't jumping? Shocked

Just kidding, Seriously though, hope you are doing ok.

Some people think they should be handed stuff, they will soon learn that this isn't the case, at least here (hopefully). I think it is partly(mostly) due to the society we live in today. It's what can you do for me, not what can I do for you; kinda' opposite of what JFK said. Don't get me wrong, I am not without fault, all have fallen short....

We should long for the days of old when your word meant something more. It used to be your bond. It is still with some, but not so much with others.

Where is Nick, I know he has something to add to this.
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Re: [blunderguff] Credibility
no, i think what he's saying is that if you're a BASE jumper... chances are that you know other BASE jumpers. therefore getting information from them should be painless, and the board is just another easy way to network with those people and others that may also use the board. it's not necessary at all. especially since not all jumpers utilize it.

don't be so angry. figure it out, or don't use it. easy enough.

grrrr.Tongue
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Re: [blunderguff] Credibility
According to your profile you have 13 times
the number of BASE jumps I have... however,
I have actually BASE jumped in real life with
the guy who posted before you and after you.

I have also been on the phone a few times with
the guy who called 'Bullshit' in your thread about
how to find objects via the internet.

I understand some people must stay anonymous
to protect their day jobs and we all respect that!

If this forum is stupid why are you here?
Oh yeah, like the rest of us, just having
fun while killing time Smile
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Re: [blunderguff] Credibility
>>Where is Nick, I know he has something to add to this.<<

Gee, I'm going to look like an ass if you meant the other Nick . . .

Exclusivity is a two edged sword. This board and others of the same ilk are the only places BASE has to stand up to scrutiny and the light of day. And that's not a bad thing as you never know where the next Nugget is coming from.

In that vein, experience in some cases, doesn't always count for much here. We can only judge each other here by our thoughts and words. And by that standard not every experienced jumper here makes the cut.

In 1986 I started the very first BASE jumping internet board and we never had to worry about outsiders. If you even knew what BASE jumping was it proved you were acceptable. Now that BASE security and secrecy has been firmly flushed down the Youtube/Redbull rat hole we debase (pun intended) those that show up here for a look-see.

There's no doubt the future of BASE is toward openness and light. And the old-timers understand that better than the current generation of jumpers. Many in the last ten years have found BASE and then wanted to slam the door behind them – not realizing the house was already missing the other three walls.

We've come to a time when we are all important. The old-timers that keep you from re-inventing the wheel, the nouveau-experienced who push the boundaries, and the plain wuffos who make us justify our actions in words. It's a healthy holy trinity.

In any endeavor, from bowling to being in the mafia, to anything you can think of in terms of the past, present and future, the future is always the most important. And it's the only one we have a modicum of control over. Before this current board moved across town its stated purpose was to aid skydivers who were thinking of getting into BASE. We as individuals should evolve in that role. I started in the 80s by taking people from skydiving scratch all the way to a BASE number. Then I spent many years selling BASE gear. Then I became more of a guide for downtown building jumps. And now I'm shoveling BASE history down the throats of anyone willing to learn.

I know not everyone is cut out for the mentoring role, as it takes a special kind of person. When Jimmy, or Tom, and all the others, begin their BASE classes they keep it fresh, interesting, and exciting the same way an AFF Instructor begins his 1000th FJC. You can't say, "Good morning ladies and gentlemen, this is a parachute," effectively, unless it's in your blood.

The question is what have you done for BASE? Are you going to leave it better off than when you found it? As my own BASE career dwindles I still pick and choose ways to help by arranging tours at Apex, having people over to the house for dinner and old vids, and sending folks in the right direction for ground crewing. So while I'm not the BASE fireplug I once was, I'm still in there pitching for the future.

I swear it seems we go out of our way to create issues where really none exist. And we do it right in the area where we need the backup the most - our future. BASE jumping, like I knew it, is dead and gone. So we either embrace what comes next or go down with the pirate ship.

When I take my last breath I'll rest easy. If God has any type of affinity for newbies, I'm in there. . .

NickD Smile
BASE 194
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Re: [blunderguff] Credibility
I think it is well known that GreenMachine is not the "14 year old kid" you warned us about in this thread


blunderguff wrote:
a 14 years old kid can also log in to a base webstore and order himself a baserig without knowing anything about skydiving or base
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Re: [blunderguff] Credibility my ass
Although your thread that was in General Base was the catylyst for this thread. I was trying not to have it directed right at you. There have been many others that have came on here and posted about their jumps, experience, etc.. While at the same time being very vague.

If people refuse to at least give a general geoghaphic location or reference to some of the people they have crossed paths with over the years, then why should we be expected to take them seriously??

Plus, getting upset and angry whenever someone asks for some kind of verification doesn't help with credibility. This shouldn't be so hard for the average person to figure out.
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Re: [stitch] Credibility my ass
In reply to:
If people refuse to at least give a general geoghaphic location or reference to some of the people they have crossed paths with over the years, then why should we be expected to take them seriously??
why is that important in this case? if i understood it right, he just asked about some tip about ease the searching via internet..
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Re: [norbase] Credibility my ass
because there is no MAGIC search engine for BASE sites on the internet.

and i for one, am not going to just hand out info on sites i or buddies of mine have worked for to some anonymous jack-ass. (who could just as easily be a cop, whuffo, wannabe etc.)
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Re: [blunderguff] Credibility
BASEjumper.com is a newish, seperate
website that grew out of dropzone.com,
which is where I registered 5 years ago.

I am not a big gun, I am a tourist, really
just a skydiver who occasionally enjoys
making a few BASE jumps.
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Re: [norbase] Credibility my ass
You can correct me if I'm wrong here, as I actually had some things to do when that particular thread was started and didn't just sit around all day and watch the thread develop.

When the thread was first started the OP got all angry and upset when he didn't get the answers he was looking for. Then when people started ribbing on him and asking how he located the objects he had already jumped he got even more upset and changed all of his posts to "Have a nice day". When all I believe anybody ever wanted was some form of verification.
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Re: [stitch] Credibility my ass
stitch wrote:
You can correct me if I'm wrong here, as I actually had some things to do when that particular thread was started and didn't just sit around all day and watch the thread develop.

When the thread was first started the OP got all angry and upset when he didn't get the answers he was looking for. Then when people started ribbing on him and asking how he located the objects he had already jumped he got even more upset and changed all of his posts to "Have a nice day". When all I believe anybody ever wanted was some form of verification.

hmm,well...i don`t know, maybe his messages didn`t came out the way he wanted...perhaps a language barrier or something(could lead to misunderstanding), (just thinking loud)
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Re: [stitch] Credibility
In reply to:
don't know, maybe it's just me. Is anyone else seeing a trend lately of people registering and posting with very little or zero credibility??

shit like this certainly dosent help...

see attachment.
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Re: [stitch] Credibility
stitch wrote:
I don't know, maybe it's just me. Is anyone else seeing a trend lately of people registering and posting with very little or zero credibility??

My theory is they expect it because there's almost always somebody reading that has a personal requirement to feel needed and important, which they fulfill by giving information about sites or means and methods to whuffos who don't even have a known mentor or jumped with anyone that is credible.
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Re: [stitch] Credibility my ass
stitch wrote:
When the thread was first started the OP got all angry and upset when he didn't get the answers he was looking for. Then when people started ribbing on him and asking how he located the objects he had already jumped he got even more upset and changed all of his posts to "Have a nice day".

since the OP deleted most of his original posts in that tread (as you accurately stated), I chose to delete the entire thread. it lacked any continuity.

as far as credibility, a bunch of people seem to be using the same IP address. same person? common computer? or something else? I guess I'm not smart enough to tell, yet. (it hasn't been worth the energy.)
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Re: [stitch] Credibility
The pot calling the kettle black
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Re: [1072] Credibility
1072 wrote:
The pot calling the kettle black
How so??



Dialogue from 1072 and stitch's 1st conversation;

1072: Jack stitch is it?

stitch: Captain stitch, if you please.

1072: I don't see your ship.

stitch: I'm in the market, as it were.

1072: You are quite possibly the worst jumper I've ever heard of.

stitch: Ah, but you have heard of me. Wink
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Re: [stitch] Credibility
LOL thats some funny shit

2-shea

My piont is we all come from noware we were not born with 5000 jumps we had to start with one and work are way to the top or to the bottm or some where in between.

some of us earn great reputations and others not so
great

Me ive earned a reputation of being very conservative , safe and an all around good crishtian boy just trying to spread the word off the bible.
by whiping my ass with its pages.
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Re: [1072] Credibility
1072 wrote:
Me ive earned a reputation of being very conservative , safe and an all around good crishtian boy just trying to spread the word off the bible.
by whiping my ass with its pages.

So that means you carry a bible with you on every object?
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Re: [stevenm] Credibility
no but i should I think whiping my ass with pages from the binble would piss people off even more than when i use money and besides money is dirty
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worse thing could have happend than whipping an ass with a bible ....it could be a dirty priest who dry his sperm of a 10 year old kid`s face by the from the same piece of paperPirate.................
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Re: [norbase] Credibility
Please review the forum rules.

Jokes about or references to Pedophilia are not permitted.

I've banned you from this forum for 7 days.
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Re: [TomAiello] Credibility
if it is that bad why don`t you delete his post?
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Re: [johan420] Credibility
Laugh If I had done that, the follow up post (from someone else) would be asking what he had done wrong, and complaining that they couldn't see where he'd broken the rules.
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Re: [TomAiello] Credibility
TomAiello wrote:
Laugh If I had done that, the follow up post (from someone else) would be asking what he had done wrong, and complaining that they couldn't see where he'd broken the rules.

uhmm, okay????? if the post have been deleting, i guess nobody have notice it...but hey who caresUnimpressed
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Re: [TomAiello] Credibility
and why do u wrote "I've banned you from this forum for 7 days" do u think he can read it if he`s banned?????UnimpressedLaugh
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johan420 wrote:
and why do u wrote "I've banned you from this forum for 7 days" do u think he can read it if he`s banned????? Unimpressed Laugh

1) why not ask norbase if he can read the post? you do know him, don't you?

2) banning prevents posting, not reading. heck, someone without an account can read these forums. we have no way of knowing who reads a post if they are not logged in.

3) it reminds ALL users of the site policy.

yep, you sure are funny... and sooo creative.
yawn.
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Re: [lifewithoutanet] Credibility
>>The contradiction that I'm asking you about is that you call it a "RedBull rathole" in one instance and follow it up with "the future of BASE is toward openness and light"<<

What I meant is since the community does little to discourage the Redbull type stuff it becomes inevitable. When Felix first hit the scene in the 90s there was a big uproar. He was seen for what he was. A glory hound using BASE to make himself famous. And while Felix was driven, capable, and talented it doesn't change the fact he made things more difficult for the average BASE jumper. So that right there is the key. What is the average BASE jumper?

Does being an average (American) BASE jumper mean you travel to Europe once or twice a year, hit every Bridge Day, and go to the Potato on long weekends, or does it mean you're slamming your neighborhood objects under the cover of darkness on a regular basis?

Regardless of that look at what sanctioned day blazing is doing for BASE. We've had sanctioned Bridge Day every since the 1970s. What has it got us? Did Yosemite suddenly open up? Do building owners call begging us to come help them celebrate the opening of their new high rise condo?

The big question you have to ask yourself is what's cooler? A few guys being allowed to ski off the top of a Nevada hotel in questionable conditions (the show must go on) or a few guys who penetrate a downtown building in the middle of the night and jump without anyone being the wiser? And they do it over and over. Not many can follow in RBs footsteps but hundreds can follow the boys in the dark. And what is RB promoting? They are promoting BASE as a spectacular stunt to sell junk food to teenagers. They have to as it’s the only way the parent corporation gets the bang on the buck.

At least Felix did most of his early stuff on his own with just Space helping him out. And after awhile he did start to interject what BASE really was in the interviews he gave. (And that was because it finally dawned on him that he didn’t really invent BASE jumping, which is the impression he was leaving, and that he owed a debt to what came before). The message all these sponsored BASE jumpers (the phrase itself is an oxy-moron) should be giving is lots of people do this and it should be allowed. But ask a Red Bull jumper about BASE after a jump and all you get is the company line that, "Redbull gives you wings."

That's trampling on the BASE legacy spanning Carl Boenish to DW, and all the jumpers who came in between. Now, I don’t want to hit that point to hard because I always get slammed for it. There's a whole generation that never knew those guys and to them it's ancient history. But you (not you in particular) are sort of doing the same thing. What Redbull does is all right with you because you know these guys, they are your contemporaries. And to that I say you need a longer view of things.

I can recall being downtown in the 1980s when the cop says, "What the hell are you guys doing?" And I can recall being downtown in the 1990s when the cops says, "Oh, BASE jumping, eh?" That change came about because of the up tick in glory hounds.

Look at skydiving. After a 60 year history here in America. Go and try to open a new DZ and you'll find that skydiving is barley tolerated. In BASE we are lucky. We don’t have to jump through so many hoops to BASE jump because no one can stop us. The more we move BASE into the light the more freedom we lose. Again, look at Bridge Day. Where we meant to stand in line to make a BASE jump? Or look at the Potato. How many have done the Lemming walk out to the launch point? That's not BASE jumping in the traditional sense of the word.

Yeah, okay I get it. I hear you say you don't care about a BASE number. Maybe it doesn't matter so much now when it comes back with a number in the thousands. Or, maybe it means more. The pioneer era in BASE is long gone. The thing is what are you going do with it now? I believe BASE is hundreds of years away from any kind of normal acceptance. It's going to take a way more enlightened world to accept BASE on our own terms. And that's an important part if it – On our own terms. Or we can sell it out, right now, for 15 minutes of fame, and a few bucks . . .

What I really don't understand is this. The attention the glory hounds crave is already available inside the BASE community. If you positively contribute to the tribe me, and guys like me will make sure you are remembered forever. If you want to be famous to people on the street go learn how to sing and dance and leave BASE jumping alone.

We just had Redbull come to San Diego and jump a hotel that me, and our crew, opened years ago. Since 1986 there have been thousands of BASE jumps made in this city. And there are going to be many more. Is Redbull blowing through here in wham bam thank you fashion going to do anything positive for the BASE jumpers now or behind us? No way, it's only going to increase the penalties for following in Redbull's footsteps. With the higher indignity of while sitting in your jail cell, you know in your heart, Redbull was just following you.

BASE jumping has a built in rebellion aspect that should be enough to satisfy the most non-conformist ideals in us. BASE jump for thirty years on your own terms with nobodies' help or support and you can die a happy anarchist. Once you take a paycheck it's not BASE anymore. You are selling something you basically stole.

As my generation dies, or moves on, every once in a while some knob here gets my goat and I give up. But I always come back because I believe the message is too important to lose. BASE belongs to the ages and not to anyone of us. So handle it with care. And as long as I'm alive you're going to hear it from me . . .

NickD Smile
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