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so, My roomy just bought a skydive rig specifically for wingsuiting (with intention of pulling below 2500' regularly, maybe down to 2000), the kids a retard and got a freaking saber 150. he is a BASE jumper but sadly was tainted by the skydiving community and along with the 150 bought a vector made for a 150 with a 26" collapsible pc on a 6' bridal.

he did get the whole main/reserve/container setup for under 1300, really good condition. so i can't make to much fun of him.

I TOLD him to sell it for 2 large and buy a J7 and throw his troll in it, but he is stuborn.

he wants me to put a tailpocket on the 150, and i gave him a 12' single pin bridal with my old vertigo 32" pc.

do you guys think the 150 loaded to 1.2lbs/ft will be ok with a non collapsible 32? he does NOT swoop, and is very conservative under canopy.

and should I install a tailpocket? or make line stows in the container tray?

or should i tell him he is a retard and just make him jump the dbag and buy a 9' bridal/32" collapsible? he does not want to spend 200 US.



I agree with him though, your flying along in a vampire at 3 grand, pitch, and you feel the dbag bounce off your leg wing and then foot, and just chop it there because you don't even want to know what happens... skydiving gear is so stupid.

Opinionated much?

Skydiving I'd MUCH rather jump a skydiving canopy of suitable size (for me that's about a 150 on down) than bother with my 240. If I was pulling under a grand that would be a different story.

Nah... don't bother with a tailpocket. Put on a longer bridle and a larger collapsible PC.

The non-collapsible will work but why bother with the anchor?

PS: A Sabre 150 is a fine canopy.

im not opinionated... did I come off as such?

no man, I have 300+ jumps on a saber2 150, I loved it, I could put it anywhere and get it to move when i wanted. worked great for retard CRW and everything else.

(not saying its a bad skydive canopy, just not the best for wingsuit specific I think)

he just bought this gear for ONLY wingsuiting. nothing else. my hypocrisies aside, I would have gotten a larger rig that i could fit my base canopy into, but also bought a skydiving 7 cell 170 to jump when im at the dropzone.

he does not jump much, so packing turnaround time is not a high importance.

oh, because he does not have any money. neither do I. I have materials for a pocket and stows, but a new bridal/pc is what? 150 US?

Ah ha... now I comprehend.

Check your messages.

just talked to him again, he works at home. really hates the idea of a Dbag, really likes the idea of a tailpocket.

has never jumped a smallish canopy with a big air anchor though... maybe he would regret it.

It's not that big of a deal. If he's not trying to aggressivly gain speed then don't worry about it.

What's the problem with a D-Bag? Hitting the feet is a user problem. Don't pull in a head down with the legs bent. Don't arch like crazy with the feet on the ass the moment the pilot chute is tossed during a wingsuit jump.

It's in his head.

cool. thats what i figured (since I never had problems jumping my saber with a wingsuit)

thanks you!

you're welcomes

Hey - just to piss off my skydiving rigging friends who say Senior Riggers cannot modify main canopies, I will install that tail pocket for ya. A real nice job, not one of those sew thru the top and bottom skin lazy things... Wanna see me work? Come look at my canopy that I did some major repairs on. I will do it for free, I owe ya one.


Also - tell your roommate from personal experience (Sabre 2, wingsuit jumps from 4K out of balloons) that Murphy's law states (from TWO proven examples):

1) When you pull low on a skydiving rig - you WILL tow your PC. It is God's little joke.

2) When you tow your PC into your harddeck, your main WILL open with MAJOR line twists as your body position is not "neutral" when you are shaking a PC off your back, trying to get it to bite the air and pull the pin.

Got hates me, or so is my theory... I have a cool video (I would show everyone but I don't have the bandwidth) that I cleverly named: "I saw my PC". It includes the Blair witch moment on the ground where I yell at my camera for the situation being all fucked up and describe why it sucks to land in the middle of nowhere, out of breath, after kicking out of line twists, after seeing the PC in a wad of shit towed behind me...

Wanna go pull low with me???? hehehe.

I put two home-made tailpockets on canopies in the last year, just sewing through bottom and top skin. made those out of cordura though, this one I want to make from ZP. your a senior rigger? did not know that. maybe Ill have you sew that on. he needs some more jumps, and a B. I think Im going to go build him a collapsible PC and bridal, for when he changes his mind after a few jumps flat/freepacking a ZP canopy into a uber small rig, and has us pull out the tailpocket stitching.

Ya, I am a rigger. Recovering rigger that is.

I am sure we can get him more jumps When do you wanna go?

I had fun modifying my bridle on my skydiving rig... It is fun when you look at a bartack and think, "if this fails, I leave the pin in the rig and tow the PC." Makes you really check your work.

I am also making a PC for my skydiving rig. It just might look like a small Toxic, just because I like to torture myself.

I made a 3-slice and 4 slice 'toxic' like pc, actually a few of them. a 36, 42, and 46. they have vanes instead of valves. still need to test them. jumped the 42 a few times off the perrine, and the 36 out of airplanes jumping PGs, but nothing recorded or scientific.

Hello,
That Sabre should be an awesome wingsuit canopy.
I regularly jump a Sabre 135, and dump low, 2 or less.
Tail pocket not recommended.
All that's needed is a 9' bridle and maybe a bigger pilot chute.
I have stuff laying around here,
let me know if you need help assembling gear.
Avery

Just curious why the tail pocket would not be recommended.

Thanks
Randy

Because the canopy should be in a deployment bag with appropriate stows for the lines. Not free packed with a tailpocket.

Why? If it works in a BASE rig, why not another container??? What are the major differences?

It does work in other rigs...ever pack for CRW?

Also, I make collapsible PC's for wingsuits, and we're starting a new batch of them soon. Our price is quite a bit less than $200.

Holly Joan

Tailpockets used in CRW canopies have stows and are not freely laid inside. Would this instance be an acceptable application of using a stowed tailpocket for a wingsuit jump rather than a bag? I am just trying to understand the rationale of using a bag over lines stowed in a tailpocket.


Thanks,
Randy

 
If he's really trying to speed it up (which there is no need for; with airspeed a sabre opens fast and you can safely go lower than any DZ will allow) then a mesh slider (or reserve slider) will satisfy that in a much simpler, safer, economical and more consistent manner.

 I think when you start packing crew/freepack/BASE style..... one thing happens consistently. It opens fast and hard . Maybe even harder than the canopy is designed for. If that's your intention, go with the right tool for the job. Large container, big base-like canopy, long bridal, larger non collapse p.c.
I personally have a large container with a large base/bridal setup for hop/pops, demos, and low wing-suit deployments.
I also don't wear a metal altimeter anymore. On a hard wing-suit opening 2 years ago, I knocked out 3 of my front teeth. Your arms being attached, and bouncing around with a 3 pound metal punching glove attached isn't good. I know of two tandem instructors that have either hit themselves and broken their noses, or injured a student.
I honestly think that after a few low wing-suit pulls, the novelty wears off. If you can't get ample flight time from your current jump altitude....... get more altitude, or put real effort in and learn how to fly the fucking suit.
As far as putting yourself in the basement with a wing-suit on a sky-dive, the reality is that winged-cutaways do not always go well. I've chopped about 5 different canopies, and the last one scared me out of elliptical/wing-suit combos ever since. I've never seen so much line twist on a canopy..... the reserve...... I would have cut it away if I could have.
I don't care how cheap you are, the right tool built for the right job is the one that keeps you from ending up being the guy who we all talk about later...like wake later.
Just my .02 cents..


p.s. I have a large setup in the neighborhood yuh know....unfortunately it's purple/black tie-die for you color sensitive types....

Jay - good points.

You know my "wanna pull low" was sarcasm, right???

I learned that skydiving rigs are not the tools for pulling low, even packed BASE style...

As a laughing point - my only skydiving cutaway was a BASE canopy packed in a Vector, super neat BASE style with a tail pocket... Hopnpop, slam opening (as expected) so I had all the time in the world to think, "damn, so that is what a tension knot looks like - let me see if I can fix it." More proof that BASE jumping (low openings with a BASE canopy) a skydiving rig adds risk that the tailpocket does not remove (if anything added risk in my case). But, it does give you more time (due to the speed of opening) to get a second skydive onto your reserve.

Good idea about the metal alti.... I guess my neptune with the soft padding cover is a good idea.

So what's the big deal?

My 1500+ jumps Sabre1 150 in my completely unmodified Vector2 has consistently been excellent for sub 2,000ft wingsuit deployments.

Why do you think the Sabre is unsuitable? Square, predictable, fast opening...

I vote for Sabre-1 as best all-around wingsuit canopy if it's loaded enough to be fun, d-bag without a doubt. Tailpockets cause rapid openings, not an advantage in skydiving outside of CREW. And for the most beautiful flying sub-1000' pulls are the shit. Unfortunately they're more than a little dangerous and extremely addictive so I've stopped succombing to that siren song. But flying low is still the best part of wingsuit for me.

ill take my sabre1-150 down to 1400 with no worries, and fast on the risers.. you should know before its done inflating whether or not you will be keeping it...

any lower than that and its a single parachute system for me. and not on the dz.

bagloks at 1200feet will get your attention. especially if you didnt sleep at all the night before...

yes I agree.
have not talked to him in awhile, It might not be an issue anymore for some new deals going on.

But if -I- was to buy a new plane- legal rig, I would get a big container, put a new cutaway handle/cable on it, a few inches longer than standard skydive schwag. big enough I could losely pack a 170' spectre in, and when wanted, stuff a free packed Dagger 220 in.