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How to fall 47 stories without a parachute and survive
From http://www.nypost.com/..._the_fall_214155.htm

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December 16, 2007 -- Alcides Moreno was hurtling downward at a speed up to 124 mph, clinging to a 1,250-pound scaffold that acted like a surfboard in the sky.

Those grappling with why he miraculously survived his plunge from the roof of a 47-story high-rise say the aluminum platform added air resistance that slowed his descent - and blunted the tremendous force of hitting the concrete pavement in an alley below.

Maybe, experts said, a random air current rising between the Upper East Side buildings where Moreno plummeted slowed him the extra bit that spared his life.

The 37-year-old window washer - who remains in critical condition but has moved his arms and legs and tried to open his eyes, relatives say - has amazed trauma doctors and physicists alike.

"Fifty percent of people who fall four to five stories die. By the time you reach 10 or 11 stories, just about everyone dies," said Dr. Sheldon Teperman, director of trauma and critical-care surgery at Jacobi Medical Center in The Bronx.

"This guy absolutely should have died."

The tragedy occurred on Dec. 7 at about 10:15 a.m. as Moreno and his brother Edgar, 30, employees of City Wide Window Cleaning, got ready for a day's work at the Solow Tower, a luxury apartment building at 265 E. 66th St. with a black-glass surface.

The workers - not yet wearing required safety harnesses - fell or were dragged off the roof when the 16-foot-long "swing scaffold," which could slide around the building, collapsed.

Officials suspect the cause was improperly secured cables, but investigations are ongoing.

Physicists theorize it was Alcides' training, presence of mind - or luck - that he remained atop the Louisville Ladder scaffold as it plummeted that saved him.

He landed in a tangle of cables and bent railings that may have broken his 500-foot fall or absorbed some of the shock.

His brother slipped off the scaffold and smashed onto the top of a brick wall, which cut him in half.

In a free fall, both men would quickly have hit a maximum speed of 124 mph, or terminal velocity - the point when gravity pulling a person down is balanced by upward air friction, said James Kakaklios, a physics professor at the University of Minnesota.

But the scaffold's platform likely slowed Alcides' descent "significantly" by pushing the air, he said.

His landing position also could have made a huge difference.

"If he was lying flat, not only would the scaffold act as a shock absorber, but the force to stop him would be spread more evenly over his body. If he came down on one point, the sudden shock could easily break the back or neck," Kakaklios said.

He compared Alcides to people who surprisingly survived the I-35W bridge collapse in Minneapolis on Aug. 1. Some "rode their cars down" the splintered bridge.

Supports underneath added air resistance and slowed its fall into the Mississippi River.

Alcides suffered blood clots in the brain, collapsed lungs, numerous broken bones, damaged kidneys and other internal injuries, relatives said.


Stefan Bright, safety director for the International Window Cleaners Association, never heard of a case like Alcides', calling it "extreme luck."

"Window washers have fallen six feet and died," Bright said.
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Re: [cpoxon] How to fall 47 stories without a parachute and survive
That socalled "physics professor", Mr Kakalios from Minnesota sure is a gobshite! I'll bet he's even served as an expert witness in court. Sheesh!

It was pure luck not physics.

jon
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Re: [jon593] How to fall 47 stories without a parachute and survive
 
First guy to successfully land a scaffold. Perhaps my next wingsuit should be a ScaffoldFlyer1! Scaffolds must fly better than wingsuits then. Tongue
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Re: [cpoxon] How to fall 47 stories without a parachute and survive
damn, I was wrong i guess. I always pegged terminal velocity at 125.8 MPH, not 124.
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Re: [Calvin19] How to fall 47 stories without a parachute and survive
Calvin19 wrote:
damn, I was wrong i guess. I always pegged terminal velocity at 125.8 MPH, not 124.

can you reach terminal velocity with a 500ft drop ?
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Re: [vid666] How to fall 47 stories without a parachute and survive
maybe if you're running
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Re: [vid666] How to fall 47 stories without a parachute and survive
You can in a Camaro.
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Re: [vid666] How to fall 47 stories without a parachute and survive
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an you reach terminal velocity with a 500ft drop ?

In vacuum, you would achieve 122mph at 500ft, in air with terminal velocity 120mph (belly) you'd achieve 97mph (easy to calculate, see this). A world champion in speed skydiving (terminal velocity 325mph) would achieve 118mph by 500ft.
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Re: [yuri_base] How to fall 47 stories without a parachute and survive
Like I said... That physicist don't know his ass from his elbow when it comes to bodies falling.

jon
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Re: [yuri_base] How to fall 47 stories without a parachute and survive
yuri_base wrote:
In vacuum, you would achieve 122mph at 500ft

In a vacuum, there wouldn't be a terminal velocity so you still wouldn't have reached terminal velocity in 500ft... and never would! sounds like fun... space boogie anybody? Smile
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Re: [Ghetto] How to fall 47 stories without a parachute and survive
Ghetto wrote:
In a vacuum, there wouldn't be a terminal velocity so you still wouldn't have reached terminal velocity in 500ft... and never would! sounds like fun... space boogie anybody? Smile

In a vacuum, your parachute wouldn't do you very much good, either.....
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Re: [stevenm] How to fall 47 stories without a parachute and survive
In a vacuum, you could fart and nobody would ever hear it.
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Re: [pocbase] How to fall 47 stories without a parachute and survive
pocbase wrote:
In a vacuum, you could fart and nobody would ever hear it.

But if you did, it wouldn't really be a vacuum anymore... Wink
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Re: [stevenm] How to fall 47 stories without a parachute and survive
Ye, would be like a big bang, you could start your own universe