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Re: [martin245] Big F.
well........ He was the first, and he made it! Congratulations! About the deley........I will call it abusing the possibillity, not using track pants or wingsuit!
5 seconds of freefall
509 Meters = 1,669 Feet Can we safely assume the short delay
was due to the limited landing options?
Re: [martin245] Big F.
Hmmm....He seemed to be missing a few pieces of gear a smart BASE jumper would have worn. Live fast, die young, and leave a fucked up corpse.
BASE359
Re: [JSBIRD] Big F.
JSBIRD wrote:
Hmmm....He seemed to be missing a few pieces of gear a smart BASE jumper would have worn.
Live fast, die young, and leave a fucked up corpse.
BASE359
Re: [havensiangst] Big F.
Please do not misunderstand, I offer my congrats to Felix for a jump well done. However, I do not wish to see him, or anyone else suffer a head injury. For some reason I was having trouble getting a grip on the "I'm First" mindset I read so many BASE jumpers feel is important today.
At 54 years old, and in my third decade as a BASE jumper, I guess my priorities have changed.
Yeah, as a little kid, in high school, and afterwards, competition between my friends and I was important, and yes, I too always enjoyed being 'first'. I guess that changes when you firmly establish your self worth later in life.
Now however, I sorta feel it's a false sense of accomplishment to be 'first' when talking about a guy BASE jumping from a man made object that will not be there forever.
Mike and Brian at El Cap? That's a little different.
Some younger guys here may be thinking..."Fuck off old man, go sit in your chair on the porch and wait to die."
Yes, I have slowed down a bit, but in a way that reminds me of this old joke...
An old bull, and a young bull were grazing on top of a hill in the pasture, looking down on a large herd of fine looking cows.
The young bull says to the older bull..."Hey, look at all those hot looking cows down in the pasture! Let's run down there and fuck one."
The older bull slowly looks up at the young bull and says..."No son, let's walk down and fuck them all!"
So, if you feel a need to be "First", go right ahead, you won't have to fight me for the honor.
Besides, I'm more likely to be hitting on the waitress in the bar downstairs, and waiting for the heat on the object in question to cool off a bit.
BASE359
Re: [martin245] Big F.
i like the part where he runs across the steet with the parachute open on his back / in his hand...
Re: [flummi] Big F.
Yah it seemed like he landed on a roof... and then ran through the streets with his canopy? Seems like on a crowded street, the stash bag might have been worth the time. Seems like a set up shot with how many angles they got.
Re: [GreenMachine] 5 seconds of freefall
we can safely assume he is a dirty high puller. and i am extremely jealous.
Re: [martin245] Big F.
very nice and congrats to F. 
funny part is a fake running from cops (as usual
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Re: [martin245] Big F.
Not to Martin245, but to give some insight on questions and such brought up by others. No helmet or BASE apparel: Sometimes security will prevent the likelihood of a successful mission due to things such as a helmet. Also actual access may be hindered by baggy clothing when climbing over spiky stuff.
509m: Is the height of the building including the spire.
5sec delay: Sponsored jumps are about visibility for the sponsor, not humming it low for one's self.
Take care,
space
Re: [hookitt] Big F.
hookitt wrote:
In reply to:
Seems like a set up shot ...
Not a chance.
Re: [base283] Big F.
base283 wrote:
Sponsored jumps are about visibility for the sponsor, not humming it low for one's self.
Take care,
space
Thats what I was thinking... more canopy time for RB...
Re: [base283] Big F.
In reply to:
5sec delay: Sponsored jumps are about visibility for the sponsor, not humming it low for one's self.
Sure and kudos to him for doing it and all that, but humming it low slider up is safer than a 5 sec delay with the same configuration don't you think?
Re: [JSBIRD] Big F.
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In reply to:
For some reason I was having trouble getting a grip on the "I'm First" mindset I read so many BASE jumpers feel is important today.
(sarcasm ON) .
In reply to:
Now however, I sorta feel it's a false sense of accomplishment to be 'first' when talking about a guy BASE jumping from a man made object that will not be there forever.
Mike and Brian at El Cap? That's a little different.
Re: [havensiangst] Big F.
Well done indeed. Although, some things make me ponder. Lots of camera angles and shots. Almost too many. Then landing on a roof somewhere, and then running with the canopy in his hands. No need for that at all (except for the editing).
Remember the jump in Mexico City. That was posted as being an illegal jump (not). So, I have my doubts about the status of some jumps of F.
Ronald
Re: [base283] Big F.
Quote from the link above: Baumgartner sprang auf die Plattform und zersplitterte beim Aufprall Fliesen. Mit einer geprellten Ferse und einem verletzten Knie stürzte er sich schließlich um 16.18 Uhr vom höchsten Gebäude der Welt. I don't know but it doesn't really look like he had any problems with his leg when he was running away...
Re: [martin245] Big F.
Austrian BASE jumper banned from Taiwan
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Friday, December 14, 2007
The China Post news staff
TAIPEI, Taiwan -- The National Immigration Agency (NIA) under the Ministry of the Interior yesterday decided to ban Austrian BASE jumper Felix Baumgartner from entering Taiwan again, after he made an unlawful jump from the Taipei 101 Tower on Tuesday.
NIA officials said Baumgartner parachuted from the 91st floor of the 508-meter skyscraper on Dec. 11, landing on the roof-top car park of the neighboring Taipei World Trade Center building. He departed for Hong Kong that same day, soon after finishing the jump -- a promotional event sponsored by the energy drink manufacturer Red Bull.
NIA officials pointed out that Baumgartner, who entered Taiwan on a landing visa, violated the Immigration Act by engaging in "activity inconsistent with the purpose of his visit" and being involved in an act considered by the authorities to be detrimental to Taiwan's national interests, public safety, public order or the good customs of the country.
In related news, Baumgartner and his friends went to a bar in Hong Kong to celebrate his successful jump from the world's tallest building on Tuesday night.
He told a TVBS reporter that he tried two years ago to make a legal jump, but was rejected by the management of the Taipei 101 Tower. After two years of preparation,"I decided to come back in 2007 and try it illegally," he said.
Baumgartner also told the reporter he had to fly to Hong Kong immediately after finishing the jump, for fear of being jailed in Taiwan.
Meanwhile, Taipei police said despite having already left Taiwan, they are planning to refer Baumgartner for prosecution on charges of endangering public safety. They also claimed Taipei 101 management could sue him for intruding into the building and damaging the building's tiles during the jump.
Taipei 101 yesterday stepped up security checks after Baumgartner parachuted from its top.
"We have stepped up patrolling frequency of the observation deck," Taipei 101 spokesman Michael Liu said.
"If he wants to make commercial use out of this dangerous stunt, that would violate our intellectual property rights and we may sue him for that," he added.
As an internationally renowned daredevil, Baumgartner has performed a number of dangerous stunts throughout his career.
They include a skydive in 1999 from the Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia -- then the world's highest skyscraper -- and a jump from the Christ statue in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, that same year.
In 2003, he became the first person to skydive across the English Channel using a specially made fiber wing, and in 2004, he became the first person to BASE jump from the xxxxx Viaduct in France.
In 2006, he skydived into and then BASE jumped from the Turning Torso building in Malmo, Sweden.
edited to obscure a site name - wwarped
Re: [cpoxon] Big F.
Bummer he claims to have jumped the viaduct first; there was a crew jumping there during construction... hey, if it sells more red bulls...
Re: [Ronald] Big F.
Ronald wrote:
Remember the jump in Mexico City. That was posted as being an illegal jump (not). So, I have my doubts about the status of some jumps of F.
Ronald
Lots of cameras on a jump for the sponsor, almost too many? Maybe that is where other sponsored jumpers are going wrong. They only post text of what they've done. Or? Is not exposure, what being a sponsored jumper is all about? What do you think?
I also have a question that you or others can maybe answer. If the "World's Tallest Building" is defined as
completed in construction. Should not xxxxxx viaduct be treated the same way? Who was the first to jump it after completion? This jumper is the one who deserves credit. Was it Felix? I don't know. You guys tell me.
Take care,
space
edited to obscure a site name - wwarped
Re: [base283] Big F.
I suppose if we want to get technical over it, if completed means the maintenance manuals have been handed over and the tape cut by some official; and if he was the first to jump after that... Space, you can't tell me you wouldn't find it a bit funny if you were one of the regular crew jumping there and some big shot came and claimed publicly to be the first to jump off it.
Felix gets to do some cool jumps; good on him. maybe it is Red Bull's fault in the way they want their product to be perceived, but I will keep laughing at the hide and seek set ups on organised jumps and the jet ski 'get aways'.
A while ago the Soul Flyers were here. Very cool guys, but... Loic phones me and says that they are in town looking to do a jump. I go fetch them at their hotel very early in the morning, lead them and a full on camera crew to our local 'E'. A friend and myself take them up the mountain, give them a hand carrying camera gear and all that and finally show them the exit,, etc... then you watch Soul Flyers, it looks like they just found the place and jumped off it, no mention whatsoever of locals. I understand there are certain things an audience wants to see and hear; Nice dvd in the end but I couldn't help but thinking that it just wasn't a very cool move on their part. That was probably the welcome to the commercial aspect of BASE. It's about visual impact, familiar faces doing extraordinary things who are sponsored by X.
Even the faces are often not that important. On youtube you will see a sihouette, you might recognize the object and you will definitely recognize the logo on the canopy bottom skin.
Felix is probably a good representative for Red Bull and that's good for him but he does nothing for improving our public image as a community. In fact I would assume he probably doesn't even care and laughs off this aspect of the sport.
Re: [pocbase] Big F.
Nice post. I agree with every thing but the last paragraph. That last one is IMHO highly interpretive depending on which side of the sport one comes from. Many from one side think that no public image is good. Others may think that being an outlawantiauthoritarianshoveitintheirface type of thing is cool. And others, such as legal BASErs think that it is totally uncool. To be a community, the group must have commonality over a broad range.
Sponsored jumpers are a different animal. Different sport and motivations etc IMHO.
Take care,
space
Re: [base283] Big F.
Agreed, community is probably not the right word all together in this instance: Felix is probably a good representative for Red Bull and that's good for him but he does nothing for improving our public image as BASE jumpers.
I don't mean to come across as a doos (ass hole), but I don't quite agree with the fact that sponsored jumpers should be treated as a different animal. They are the ones who will be seen on TV and their actions are what will shape public's opinion of BASE jumpers. I got interested in BASE after seeing a Frack Gambalie interview as part of a BASE doc. The guy had something to say and that totally changed my original perception of the sport and its players as different as we may be.
Re: [base283] Big F.
base283 wrote:
Please pm me the site and date and damage to jumpability. I will personally give him crap and ask him to make reparations to the damage he has done on Monday.
I do not and will never agree to a situation such as you spoke of.
I am not joking.
Take care,
space
PM sent
Re: [pocbase] Big F.
When we started organizing the jumpers for the 2. event from Jin Mao Shanghai, they wanted Felix as one of the high profile jumpers for their show! Also Dave Barlia was on of the others. Two different profiles, but still they are well known jumpers that they thought would be good for their 2 hours live show on China national TV. Compare Felix with BASE jumpers would be like compering with American Wrestlings Hulk Hogan and athlets in sport wrestling!
Re: [base283] Big F.
Space, Whatever the real status of the jump in Mexico. The media spread the word the jump was illegal. And for sure RedBull did nothing to correct that. Question is "where did the media get the info from that it was illegal"? Or did they just make that up?
I can see of course the reason why RedBull (and FB for that matter) and others claim to be the first. What would be the market value of such a jump if you were nr. 998 to jump an object? Zilt. So, what they try to do is a sell it to the media as being the first. Or - if they can - being the real first.
For being the real first, I take my hat of (if nothing or nobody is damaged).
For claiming to be the first:
Ronald
Re: [martin245] Big F.
Hi everyone, I've been skydiving for a few years and I was on this website because I was looking at trying my hand at BASE. "Fearless Felix" has been all over the news with this jump. The question I have is what will this stunt do for allowing legal jumps from the Taipei 101? Is anyone trying to organize anything like they have going at the Patronas Towers in Malaysia? Just had to ask.
Re: [base283] Big F.
base283 wrote:
I also have a question that you or others can maybe answer. If the "World's Tallest Building" is defined as
completed in construction. Should not xxxxxx viaduct be treated the same way? Who was the first to jump it after completion? This jumper is the one who deserves credit. Was it Felix? I don't know. You guys tell me.
Take care,
space
CREDIT? Is it about credit? Space, if it was about credit, FB would be way more silent and way more respected. It is about publicity, and yes, I will give that to Felix - he is the BASE jumper with the BEST marketing of all. No one comes even close to what he has achieved in terms of building a FB-brand. If I personally like it is a different thing and does not matter.
And BTW- I would bet a lot of money that some locals jumped the thing in question the same night the last brick was laid (i know it most probably was NOT a brick, but i guess the point is clear) AND some locals jumped it the same night the tape was cut. FB could not do that because he needs daylight for the video.
Re: [Ronald] Big F.
Ronald wrote:
Whatever the real status of the jump in Mexico. The media spread the word the jump was illegal. And for sure RedBull did nothing to correct that. Question is "where did the media get the info from that it was illegal"? Or did they just make that up?
Apparently they just made it up. Why should RB do anything to correct media hype? RB did not make the mistake. The media did.The media is responsible. Why did the media do nothing to correct the mistake? One reads what one wishes into all experiences to substantiate one's viewpoint. That being said, I am reading that you are holding RB responsible for some reporter's misconceptions. Certainly, you have been involved with the media. Are you going to tell me that they always stuck to to the truth? Did they embellish it with crap like "playing with death"??????
Be fair. Maybe also explain how a retraction of a false statement would work after an event made "play of the day" that was shown 24 times in a one day period.
In the end, you and I knowing the truth is what is important to me. Dealing with the media has it's pro's and con's, but the truth remains the same.
take care,
space