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Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
Older BASE jumpers will recall this guy. He was a fixture at all the early Bridge Days . . .

http://www.azcentral.com/...onarrest0830-ON.html

And here's a thread from the other side of the wall:

http://dropzone.com/...;;page=unread#unread

NickD Unimpressed
BASE 194
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Re: [NickDG] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
wowaaa!!!! Scary stuff!
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Re: [pocbase] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
I've met the dude...cool mofo, he used to skydive with his dog and the little bastard loved it!

We all got our own demons...some are worse than others.
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Re: [nicknitro71] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
Would you still hang out with him and jump with him?
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Re: [pocbase] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
Why not? But if I had kids I tell 'em to watch out for the dude!
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Re: [nicknitro71] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
Wink
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Re: [Borat] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
Right on dude!!! LaughSly

You got to come to the dark side more often though!

You're only downfall is that you hang out with 980...but hey nobody's got it all!
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Re: [nicknitro71] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
like i am to be king of disko, 980 is to be king of base jump.
he mak me learn to much when he come visut.....
and he rather hang pedofile then hang out wiht it.
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Re: [nicknitro71] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
I am assuming you are stirring the pot Nick. If the guy is guilty and sounds like they have him I wish nothing but a terrible death for him as well as any child molesting piece of crap. Hell and his little dog! Mad Thats not just a demon that is pure fing evil and ruins entire lives while some sick perv gets his rocks off.
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Re: [pocbase] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
 
Sure, he can come and hang out with us any time. It's important to destinguish between some ones personal life and his jumping. I mean hay I'd jump with Magget. In fact I think he should come on the next trip. Oh... Woopsy, I guess he slipped. To bad we couldn't recover the body out of that glacier.

Lee
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Re: [Borat] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
In reply to:
980 is to be king of base jump

And that's his problem...he's not really in for the good times.

Tell him the day he pops a double off the Pinee and while looking back flipping me off after his first going for the second, he'll be more than a pimple face in my book.

In the mean time:

http://www.proactiv.com/...d=pimple%20treatment
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Re: [RiggerLee] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
That's funny shit Lee!

I bet his next trip is going to pick up some soap bar in some joint's shower...
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Re: [RiggerLee] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
Sure until he rapes your nephew, son or daughter. Hell I would take him out on a nice jump funny how the bridle got cut and he had a total. He at least would make the base death list.Shocked
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Re: [nicknitro71] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
You're getting aggro again and we're veering off.

We're BASE jumpers and are all somewhat touched as we say in our country to a lesser or greater degree and 980 is no exception.

Here's some footage of 980, in it for the fun.

As for people like Ron Sirull, they should be locked up and should be tagged by means of threads like this. He has destroyed people's lives, he must pay.
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Re: [Helmut] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
He's not worthy of the list
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Re: [NickDG] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
Is he a Republican?
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Re: [NickDG] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
Real classy Nick
As if the guy doesn't have enough problems as it is. And for some reason you feel it necessary to ostracizes him from the Base community, A family where there are no rules, well as long doesn't upset you.

On the other hand if some molested a family member of friend of mine they would get a little more free fall time then everyone else on the load.

but until then ill mind my own business

Guilty until proven inocent
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Re: [base1072] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
So what you're saying is that we shouldn't ostracize him, and that you would hang out with him unless he did something to someone close to you but until that time you would just mind your own business... Crazy
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Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
Being a freedom loving American I
like the "innocent until proven guilty"
system we have.

As for people who hurt children, well I
second the other people's sentiment of
giving the guy a nasty death, provided
he did in fact commit the crime.

Yes, NickNitro, we who jump are touched
but shooting up adrenaline and windex
is a victemless crime --- forcing a kid
to act like Anna Nicole Smith is just
plain wrong.
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Re: [GreenMachine] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
GreenMachine wrote:
Being a freedom loving American I
like the "innocent until proven guilty"
system ideal we have.


I fixed it for ya, since it doesn't always work that way...
(or do you insist OJ is innocent?)
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Re: [GreenMachine] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
In reply to:
"innocent until proven guilty"
system we have.

Sure, I agree.... probably been getting a bit carried away there, sorry.
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Re: [NickDG] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
Some of the replies to this thread are damned disappointing.

<shakes head>
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"innocent until proven guilty" Ideal
Yeah man, I think OJ was guilty as hell.
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Re: [RhondaLea] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
In reply to:
Some of the replies to this thread are damned disappointing.

<shakes head>

You said it. It's a very sad state of affairs... William Golding is vindicated.

-=Raistlin
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Re: [RhondaLea] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
Hi Peaches,

There's a new breed of BASE jumper that just brings contrariness to the table 'cause that's all they got.

I let it go by because the younger guys have it tough.

After all, how do you effectively rebel against the rebellion . . . ?

NickD Smile
BASE 194
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Re: [SkyDaemon] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
WTF is this crap ?, Raistlin (skyDaemon) and RhondaLea. So what are you saying ?
Truthfully I am not that suprised but 'You two' sound surprised that a Jumper arrested for child porn is not met with tolerance and understanding. But met with Posts of resentment and intolerance and felling to ostracize them from the community.
For you two people to read Posts when other BASE jumpers spontaneously Post feelings of what sickens them and what they find unacceptable and of no human value. You try to make it sound dirty wrong. For BASE jumpers to Post honestly and actively recognizing that they do not accept perverse and immoral actions of another Jumper getting caught in a Child Porn Sting is commendable. The Jumpers 'speaking/Posting' there outrage to this persons sick perverse human action. Is Maintaining of Awareness of All Who Are HalfAssed Normal.
Then you two reply like you have higher view, truer understanding and enlightenment of action like these. Then you two have the balls to say .."You are Disappointed." and ..."<shakes head>" What the fuck is That ? ' Shaking your Head '. Shaking your head For What ? You are Shaking your heads in ..."disappointment" for what is considered social obligation by most and a healthy normal social practice for All sane, to paint the sickest of mind for all to see and reject.
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Re: [RayLosli] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
I might be wrong but I think they are more shaking their heads to the posts that tend to laugh this type of thing off. I other words they agree with your point of view.
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Re: [pocbase] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
 
The link that nick put up, http://dropzone.com/...;;page=unread#unread . Hang by the Balls and Vigilante justice will work just fine.
So they are in agreement with the Link & Posts in this thread , to this fuckwad getting a speedy death. by 'being disappointed and shaking head' ???
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Re: [pocbase] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
 
I agree with the sentiments generally expressed here already, the only thing to be careful of is the fact that we are all responding to a NEWSPAPER article. Newspapers have been known time and time again to get their facts wrong. Before we all ostracize him and sentence him without a trial, it would be more prudent to wait until the FACTS are known, then at that point, when he is definately guilty, we can all have our say ...
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Re: [SkyDaemon] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
SkyDaemon wrote:
In reply to:
Some of the replies to this thread are damned disappointing.

<shakes head>

You said it. It's a very sad state of affairs... William Golding is vindicated.

-=Raistlin

Now that I think on it, the internet is a lot like a small island populated by children...

I once thought we would build community, but we appear to have done nothing more than to advance tolerance for sociopathy (and worse).

I hope you're well, Raist. Give my love to Himself.

rl
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Re: [freeatlast] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
Sure, I agree....

But on the other hand I can't help remembering one of the Eminem hits where this dude walks in on his wife with another guy:

"DR Dre: Wait, there's got to be a rational explanation to this..
Eminem: What, she slipped, fell and landed on his..."
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Re: [NickDG] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
NickDG wrote:
Hi Peaches,

There's a new breed of BASE jumper that just brings contrariness to the table 'cause that's all they got.

I let it go by because the younger guys have it tough.

After all, how do you effectively rebel against the rebellion . . . ?

NickD Smile
BASE 194

Hey honey,

I wrote and deleted a whole fucking essay, under the theory it was pointless. So here's half:

Some people think they can write any old thing, and because it's just words on the screen, it doesn't count...

...just like Ron is telling himself right now that with all the other good he has done in his life, this one teensy little aberration doesn't really count.

It all counts. What makes us human is our empathy for the plight of others. Lack of empathy, his and theirs, is only a matter of degree.

I'm all for rebellion, but my personal limit is the crossover into a Hobbesian universe. Words have power, and if these kinds of attitudes continue to be expressed (google for them--they're all over the internet), that's exactly where we're headed as they begin to take root--even if those who express them are really only aiming for (and missing by many furlongs) the lowest forms of irony and sarcasm.

You already know all this, but I thank you for the springboard. :)

rl
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Re: [RayLosli] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
RayLosli wrote:
WTF is this crap ?, Raistlin (skyDaemon) and RhondaLea. So what are you saying ?

Do you know who William Golding is, Ray?

He wrote The Lord of the Flies. If you haven't read the book itself, you can read a synopsis of it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies

My feelings about the issue are extremely complex, but at the bottom line, I do not feel it is appropriate for anyone to say "Who cares? I'd jump with him," although some people in this thread have said exactly that.

I think you can safely assume that Nick and Raist and I are on essentially the same page about this--bothered by such comments--even though we have come at it from slightly different perspectives.

As an aside, I was heartened by your reply, even though it arose out of misunderstanding. Thank you for that.

rl
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Re: [RayLosli] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
Ray,

As freeatlast posted:

In reply to:
Newspapers have been known time and time again to get their facts wrong. Before we all ostracize him and sentence him without a trial, it would be more prudent to wait until the FACTS are known

No FACTS have been released, simply a sensationalist news report full of vaporous accustations against someone. (no doubt designed and written to produce exactly the effect it has). Being arrested is not the same as being guilty. So before the lynch mob works itself into a frenzy by one-upping each other with torterous punishments and hatred for someone who's been accused, perhaps they should find out if its true.

In reply to:
Hang by the Balls and Vigilante justice will work just fine.


<sighs> I rest my case. Many posters have essentially vindicated Golding's thesis.

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I think you can safely assume that Nick and Raist and I are on essentially the same page about this--bothered by such comments--even though we have come at it from slightly different perspectives

Well said.

-=Raistlin
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Re: [SkyDaemon] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
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Phoenix Police Sgt. Joel Tranter, said there are "five photographs of him (Sirull) involved in sexual activities with young boys." A Phoenix Police information release said the identities of those depicted in the images are not yet known.

In reply to:
In addition, Sirull, who is known across the country as being the owner of Brutus the Skydiving Dog, sold images of child pornography to an undercover investigator, according to police.

Don't sound much like "vaporous accusations" to me. Newspapers have indeed been known to time and again get their facts wrong but here there are names. Besides it isn't the only source.
In a society such as yours (US), one better get their facts right before printing something like this otherwise Sirull won't have to work for the rest of his life; hell he could even buy his own plane with the settlement...
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Re: [pocbase] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
 
"sexual activities" isn't clear. It paints friendly touching and intercourse with the same brush, a trick of the sensationalist press. Without further information its impossible to conclude anything.

"young boys" is also vague. There's a big difference between 7 and 17, and a substantial legal difference between 17 and 18. Given that it was a sting operation, the authenticity of the photographs also comes into question.

The nature of the charges against Sirull are quite serious and one should very carefully consider the -facts- before jumping to conclusions. Certain crimes, such as those against innocent children, cause knee-jerk emotional reactions which inspire bloodlust and vengeance on the part of those who hear part of the story. Such mentalities led to the Salem witch trials and McCarthyism. A society of easily manipulated people, riled up into an angry mob by having their emotional buttons pressed, allows their anger to become the law and damn innocent individuals.

"Is the accuser always holy now? Were they born this morning as clean as God's fingers? I'll tell you what's walking Salem — vengeance is walking Salem. We are what we always were in Salem, but now the little crazy children are jangling the keys of the kingdom, and common vengeance writes the law!"
--Arthur Miller

But before conniving the most inhumane tortures for someone and letting one's mind sadistically spin patterns of pain and suffering to be inflicted on someone, perhaps they should first learn what really happened. When one ceases to rely on reason and evidence as the final arbiter of truth, civilization falls and becomes a mob of savages.

Hence, Ray, there is a "higher view, truer understanding and enlightenment of action like these". Devolving into a society that practices "hang by the balls justice" and "give this fuckwad a speedy death" based on an internet news story rejects reason, logic, justice, and civility. So while the subject may be delicate and heart wrenching, becoming the kind of person who supports mob justice is also detestable. What if it was you who were accused, and you found yourself guilty until proven innocent?

Planting photos on someone and calling the police to confiscate them and the press to report it takes very little effort, and said victim may soon find themselves proclaiming "they're not mine." to an unlistening mob whose blood is boiling with thoughts of the atrocities committed against those in the photographs. Perhaps you'd feel differently if the tables were turned...


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Simultaneously if Ron is guilty of the crimes he's accused of, it's of such monumental scope that making sport of it hardly seems appropriate... in fact, it hardly seems human.

-=Raistlin
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Re: [SkyDaemon] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
hmmm.... good post
thanks for the reply
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Re: [SkyDaemon] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
SkyDaemon wrote:
A society of easily manipulated people, riled up into an angry mob by having their emotional buttons pressed

agreed, but in many cases, we live it every day.

both marketers and politicians push emotional buttons as a matter of course. they blow situations out of proportion and then offer a solution.

heck, it's difficult to motivate people to get off their couches, especially if they are happy being there! happy people want to stay that way.

aggravated people desire to do something. yep, it's easier to manipulate an angry mob. it happens constantly.

p.s.
for those who would rather not be manipulated, watch your emotions. let them provide enormous guidance, but do NOT cede control to them. for example, peopled ruled by anger have incredible tunnel vision. they focus on the perceived threat and little else.
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Re: [pocbase] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
 
First and formost I must make a statement. I am all infavor of "perverse and immoral acts" I simply have an issue with them being inflicted on children. I've known people who were abused and I've seen the damage done to there lives. I truly beleave that there is no greater crime.

I will concead that he has not yet been convicted and that we should reframe from irreversable actions till the truth of these charges is known. My point and I think the point of others is that there are a number of crimes that people will over look. This simply is not one of them. Yes, he's going to be ostercised. It's an interesting question as to whether he will have the balls to show his face much less base jump or skydive. Feelings on this subject run strong. And no, we have not grown that much sence the days when our for fathers burned witches. No shit, some body might just cut his risers. If I felt certin it was true I would be seareously tempted to leave his body, not Magots, at the base of the wall.

I am unrepentant as to these feelings. I beleave this attitude is apropreat and justafied. Not long ago I read a book written by one of the early FBI profilers. He became the head of that department and was responcable for bringing it to promanance. The charicter in Silence of the Lambs was based on him. I think the book was Good vs Evil. He was one of the best abnormal phycologist in the world. He spent most of his life studying people like this. It seems that this kind of behavior is a result of a cross assoceation between diffrent emotions or actions. Pain or crualty and sex as an example. There is a very specal type of soceopath that comits this kind of crime. This cross over seems to develop at a young age when there ideas about sexuality as an example are being formed. It's often asoceated with trama like there own abuse. That's why it seem to be a continuing cycle of behavior. The key to all of this is that once these assoceations are made in their childhood they can never be changed. This person can never be helped. Nothing can ever change this fundomental drive in their nature and sooner or later this behavior will re emerge. They are broken. It's a rabbid dog. The only safe thing to do with it is put it down. And that is the assesment of one of the formost minds on the subject.

Lee
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Re: [RiggerLee] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
just like all the one in Mcmartin preschool case, they should have kill them all, that would have save millions of dollar's of tax payers money
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Re: [RhondaLea] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
Yes I have read lord of the flies in 5-6th grade. could not help but read it. It was mandatory. I did not like when Piggy got killed and was scare for life. The book has probably been one of the most ripped-off story plots next to Shakespeare works. My favorite books as a small child was Vern's 20.000 Leagues under the Sea. Kipling the jungle book. So don't even get me started on my dislike of the butchers known as disney.
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..."As an aside, I was heartened by your reply, even though it arose out of misunderstanding. Thank you for that."

Hey, Just doing my best to grease the wheels of BASE vigilantism and attempt to stay up with your over powering use of the English language.
a feeble attempt at best to ..." boldly go, when no man has go before." --Gene Roddenberry
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Re: [RayLosli] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
WTF??? You sad, sad people. It's a holiday weekend, and the best entertainment y'all can come up with is to get on-line and flame each other. CrazyPiratePirate


BTW, I like pie.
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Re: [RhondaLea] thought we would build a community
we have, and isn't it lonely here.........
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Re: [base1072] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
In reply to:
to ostracizes him from the Base community, A family where there are no rules
No rules but selfregulated!!!
(next text is not to you personaly,so dont get your feelings hurt Wink )
Dont you dare put me in a box whith people who hurt kidsMad ill rip your head off..
I might be criminal in the sence if traspassing etc etc but i NEVER ruined a persons life,i NEVER hurt a person,I NEVER steale.
So please call me criminal if Jumping is criminal.But DONT say that its the same as hurting people and specisaly kids..

A few years ago a guy called Ddog got caurght drugsmugling and have sex whith animals on his farm,id belive his doing prisson right now.. the BASE comunity straight away didnt want to keep in touch whith the bastard..

Now this guy got the cops on his back,for hurting kids,and ofcourse the guy need to go to court to see if his guilty..
IF he is.. i only whish him to get his a¤¤ expaned each day untill he dies in prisson.
If not ill buy the guy a pint next time i see him..
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Re: [SkyDaemon] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
In reply to:
Such mentalities led to the Salem witch trials and McCarthyism. A society of easily manipulated people, riled up into an angry mob by having their emotional buttons pressed, allows their anger to become the law and damn innocent individuals.

More recent support for the above contention can also be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/...exual_abuse_hysteria

I'd also like to add that just as there are guilty men who go free (OJ being the classic modern example), there are quite a few more innocent men who go to prison. The legal system does not work as advertised a lot of the time, which is why such organizations as The Innocence Project and Centurion Ministries are kept very busy.

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Simultaneously if Ron is guilty of the crimes he's accused of, it's of such monumental scope that making sport of it hardly seems appropriate... in fact, it hardly seems human.

This is my part of the argument to address, I guess, but I'm finding it difficult and painful.

If Ron is found guilty--and that seems likely to me, based on what I read--both the rage and the utter lack of concern over what he has done are examples of an extreme lack of empathy on the part of those expressing them, and it is that lack of empathy that leads us to straight to Golding's nightmare.

Humanity is defined by our ability to reason, our empathy, our ability to make sense of complexity. When we lose these traits, we become less than animals.

Child molesters are like vampires. It takes one to make one. When you consider the consequences of this, the lack of empathy for the child Ron Sirull once was is appalling.

On the other hand, while he has no real control over his impulses--because we have not yet figured out how to undo this kind of damage unless it is caught early (and most times, it is not)--he does have control over his actions, so for him to have inflicted on children what must have been inflicted on him is monstrous.

Acting as if it didn't happen ("I'd jump with him") does a terrible disservice to his putative victims, because they need to see that what was done to them is wrong and that such behavior will not be condoned. Moreover, because his personality is already formed, he desperately needs the containment that is provided by a society that will not tolerate such behavior.

He cannot help being what he is--although he must learn, unequivocally, that such acts as he is alleged to have committed are not tolerable--and the idea of extreme punishment ("hang'im high") for a victim reenacting his victimization (taking on the role of the original perp as a means to gain mastery*) is all too harsh.

(*Without early intervention, victims of child sexual abuse--and other forms of abuse--go on to perpetuate the cycle, either as perpetrators or perpetual victims, depending on their sex and the personality with which they were born. The usual breakdown is that male victims go on to become perpetrators and female victims go on to become perpetual victims--which is believed to be the result of the differences between male and female socialization--but there are plenty of exceptions.)
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Re: [badenhop] thought we would build a community
badenhop wrote:
we have, and isn't it lonely here.........

I blame the internet, actually.

I think that incalculable damage has been done by people's ability to say any old thing that comes to mind, free from consequence.

We are supposed to be our own thought police. Before modern, instantaneous communication became the norm, people had to stop and think about what they were saying or they risked getting punched in the nose. Now it's perfectly safe to for me to call someone a doodyhead, because no one can get through the monitor to choke the life out of me for doing so. It's not good.

I'm all for free speech, but there's a responsibility that comes with being able to say what one thinks--one must also be accountable for one's words.

I hope you're well, Avery.

Love,
me
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Re: [RayLosli] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
RayLosli wrote:
Yes I have read lord of the flies in 5-6th grade. could not help but read it. It was mandatory. I did not like when Piggy got killed and was scare for life. The book has probably been one of the most ripped-off story plots next to Shakespeare works. My favorite books as a small child was Vern's 20.000 Leagues under the Sea. Kipling the jungle book. So don't even get me started on my dislike of the butchers known as disney.
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..."As an aside, I was heartened by your reply, even though it arose out of misunderstanding. Thank you for that."

Hey, Just doing my best to grease the wheels of BASE vigilantism and attempt to stay up with your over powering use of the English language.
a feeble attempt at best to ..." boldly go, when no man has go before." --Gene Roddenberry
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I count on you to know the difference between right and wrong, Ray, because you almost always do...and even when you don't give full consideration to all aspects of an issue, your heart is always in the right place.

rl
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Re: [NickDG] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
all this is totally unfair on poor Brutus the dog though hey, hows he going to get in any skydiving while Ron rots in jail?
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Re: [Faber] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
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A few years ago a guy called Ddog got caurght drugsmugling and have sex whith animals on his farm,id belive his doing prisson right now..

I knew about the drugs but didn't know about the other stuff.... Are you sure about the bestiality thing?
He is indeed in prison.... and I used to enjoy his posts when he was still a free man.
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Re: [pocbase] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
well atleast that were what were posted at some point,to me its as much as the drug thing as i also just read it on the board..

Which is worse?
well if a human try to fuck a horse i think its just laughing,if it dosnt like it it will walk away or kick you.. loads of farmers do their animals.. is it right? to me no.. im more a human like person..but hey ..

drugs has never done anything good..

thats just my oppinion..
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Re: [Faber] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
In reply to:
well if a human try to fuck a horse i think its just laughing

FYI - The horse was laughing cuz I told a joke, not because she thought the sex was funny. Get your facts straight. Unimpressed
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Re: [78RATS] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
i find it strange that the google ads on this page include stuff on finding sex offenders.
sex_offender.jpg
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Re: [460] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
Shit my ad was about finding sexy singles in the area... I lucked out!
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Re: Faber's Opinion
drugs have never done anything good

Well I beg to differ sir.

Anyone who has had broken several large
bones, a deep flesh wounds, and extensive
dental work will say that morphine, demoral,
percocet, and hydrocodone are life savers!

A friend of mine who is a quadreplegic uses
valium to keep from spazzing out of his chair.

Or how about someone's grandmother who
has crippling arthritis? Are antibiotics drugs?
Do you smoke? Drink coffee? Like beer?
Ever drink a soda? Tongue
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Re: [GreenMachine] Faber's Opinion
In reply to:
drugs have never done anything good

Well I beg to differ sir.

Anyone who has had broken several large
bones, a deep flesh wounds, and extensive
dental work will say that morphine, demoral,
percocet, and hydrocodone are life savers!

A friend of mine who is a quadreplegic uses
valium to keep from spazzing out of his chair.

Or how about someone's grandmother who
has crippling arthritis? Are antibiotics drugs?
Do you smoke? Drink coffee? Like beer?
Ever drink a soda? Tongue
No need to reply more on this tread.. soon im the shit that cant spell.. and im telling you guys are dumb becourse your americans..
sorry its getting borring...

I do belive you know what kind of drugs i meant.. unless the states are so badhat you need to smulgle regular drugs just to keep pain away from sick/injuryed peopleCrazy

sorry im in a bad mood todayUnsure i do see your joke but cant laugh..
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Re: [Faber] Faber's Opinion
Faber wrote:

sorry im in a bad mood today Unsure i do see your joke but cant laugh..

I was also in a bad mood until I read your post, then I laughed and now everything is a little bit better:
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loads of farmers do their animals.. is it right? to me no.. im more a human like person..but hey ..

In Switzerland the farmers prefer sheeps during the wintertime, this way the keep there hands warm while grabing the sheep for the right position... Smile
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Re: [Mikki_ZH] Faber's Opinion
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In Switzerland the farmers prefer sheeps during the wintertime, this way the keep there hands warm while grabing the sheep for the right position... Smile
thanks for the smile mate..Smile
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Re: [Faber] Faber's Opinion
A summary of my thoughts:

1. Our society from a legal perspective is innocent until proven guilty. I have NO opinion until he has been to court and irrefutable evidence given.
2. If he is proven guilty then and only then should be ostracised from the community. He should also be punished hard according to the word of the law.
3. At the moment he is legally classed as accused, not guilty. However, there is a significant risk to other kids, therefore he needs to be incarcertated until he passes through the court.
4. I believe the law will serve justice and so will the prisoners in a prison.
5. If he is proven innocent and not just on some technicality; then we should remove any marks against him which are already there in the eyes of some people.
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Re: [meekerboy] Faber's Opinion
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4. I believe the law will serve justice and so will the prisoners in a prison.

You hear this all the time, unfortunately, it very rarely happens. Of course there are exceptions, such as Jeffery Dahmer, but it is rare. If he's convicted, he will be segregated from the general population, and put in with his own kind. The sad truth is, there are soooo many sick fuckers, that jails have a complete wing just for them, called PC. (protective custody) Mad
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Re: [airdog07] Ron Sirull Arrested . . .
to clarify my post for all you younger people out there if you google McMartin preschool case and read the out come for the trial you well never want to prejudge any body, they all deserve fair trial no mater what or who they are, you well see the out come in not pretty for McMartin and the workers of the school, there life is ruined for what.what if that was you on trial ?
The land of the free for sure
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Re: [Faber] Faber's Opinion
I think that generally we share the same views. From getting to know you online I recon you must be a real heads up guy.

As for the drugs, I tend to differentiate. It's just my opinion but there is a large difference in attitudes of people I have known smoked dope on a regular basis and people of smoked crack or any of the other chemical stuff.

I have always wondered why the terrorists who are always on about the perverted west don't actually target the elements that make it perverted. Surely if they have the means to get guys trained in order to fly jets into buildings and kill a whole lot of innocent people, they have the means to dig out the child porn ring leaders and major drug dealers. In that way they might even get some of us westerners on their side.

Rambling on now.
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Re: [pocbase] Faber's Opinion
bin laden (and al queda, etc) is Emmanuel Goldstein. Emmanuel Goldstein is really...

-=Raistlin
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Re: [SkyDaemon] Faber's Opinion
1984
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Re: [avenfoto] Faber's Opinion
what the hell does any of thias have to do with base jumping

and does these mean I can start a thread on modern art and how it influences aour childrens lives

bla bla bla who cares who cares shut up and jump
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Re: [base1072] Faber's Opinion
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bla bla bla who cares who cares shut up and jump


...with child molesters?