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Is there a cliff in Utah or another US state that gives you 12-15 seconds of freefall? One that is legal.
Thanks in advance.

with or without wingsuit?

If you fill out your profile, or give people some more personal details via PM, they might be willing to help you out with that.

But we're not going to have discussions about any specific site names on this public forum.

Thanks!

I have my email on my profile now.
getsomebiotch@aol.com
Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks

isn't that what Tom was saying?
Any info would be appreciated.

so who should step up to that plate first, someone in the BASE community, or you?
if you choose not to be open and honest, why would you expect us to be open and honest?

well let's start with this.

first - there are those of us that will get a bad rap just because we are part of BASE. ie. military and will not perfom self execution.

second - they will not give up the info they've gained simply by some person posting a thread on dorkzone II and asking questions.

like tom said, please put out some good info OR references. i hope you get the info you're looking for as i know it's out there. you just need to know how to ask

jay dogg

no

ok....
is there one none legal???

just kidding...

Actually the most direct helpful response..hahah
Thanks

Information or references? Am I applying for a job or going base jumping..haha Get real man.
I have @350 skydives...base jumping isn't skydiving, I know. I live in Vegas, looking to start base jumping, but would like a long delay of 12-15seconds, not a 6 second one. Are there cliff in the US that are this high, which are legal...if so, where?

NO(rway)

and whats wrong with six seconds?
and why are you looking to START BASE on an E?

Nothing wrong with a 6 second delay, I just prefer a longer drop.
Good question on starting base jumping off a cliff. One point I wouldn't argue, a bridge is safer, from what I hear. I know a little about skydiving, nothing about base jumping. However, I'd just rather launch a cliff with a long delay. If you're tracking out and there's a good invert, an off heading opening would be similar to a bridge. Plus, all the same, one day I'll be jumping cliffs and if you clip one, you're fucked either way, whether you started on a bridge or not.
Definitely not saying it's the safest way to start base jumping, but something I would feel comfortable with. If I got there and didn't feel like jumping it, I wouldn't.
To me, a base jump should have a nice freefall first, the jump and pull base jumps aren't ones I'd be amped to do.

I doubt you would launch stable and probably backslide to impact with this display of complacency.

-wow, with this kind of approach the help should be pouring in.


... No it seems you don't. People who want to get into base usually do a lot of the initial leg work themselves...

_justin

Well, that's kind of a poor assessment, considering you've read a few posts and have no knowledge of my skill level, etc. Put it this way, I'd be willing to bet my life, that doesn't happen. It could though and that's a risk I'd be willing to take, as does everyone with each base jump.
Also, the chances of backsliding in a track...are extremely low, assuming you know how to track.

You are correct; there is no knowledge of you having any skills.

assuming you know how to track out of a plane? your the one making the poor assesment of skill. Having no experience with base exits, you are making the assumption that you know how to jump from and track away from a wall. (golly, it looks so easy in all those videos you've seen)
you'll get a lot farther if you listen to the people that have done what you assume you know how to do.

I agree. Tracking from a plane is different. I plan on getting some advice from others who have base jumped. However, no amount of teaching or advice is going to allow you to perform that task any better. Even jumping from a bridge with little freefall time, won't help you track out from a wall, but will help with the feeling of dead air.
It's strange how on a site like this some would rather just say, yeah, you're going to hit a wall...blah blah, instead of helping someone out.
I had a similar experience when getting into skydiving. People saying, "You should do 200 RW jumps, before trying to sitfly." I didn't listen and amazing, I was doing head downs @130jumps. Point being, in these 2 sports there are the advocates who preach like there are rules etched in stone...If I wanted a safe sport, I'd bowl, not skydive and eventually base jump. As long as you know the risks involved and don't endanger someone else, what does it really matter.

you've been very reluctant to supply information about yourself, yet you are disappointed by the amount of information supplied to you...

you did not like the suggestion that you might backslide into a cliff. you took it as an insult!

as quoted above, you must understand the risks. by asking for information, we are attempting to determine how well you DO understand the risks. you have not given anyone a warm and fuzzy that you understand the risks you wish to accept.

even if you choose to jump alone, you put the jumping of others at risk. that is why we call this a community. that is one reason people are not rushing forth to help.

At the risk of being pulled in by a troll….

Maybe it's selfish, but there are some that don't want to lose what we have currently, or make it any harder than it might be. No one wants to see anyone die or hurt (though it may happen no matter what), and the attitude that you are portraying is analogous or equivalent to a person that might take to many unknown or even known risks before you are ready. No one is trying to be mean or hateful, in fact they are being quite the opposite.

Great, the internet creates another know it all BASE jumper.

The problem is you'll fuck it up for the rest of us.

If you can check your ego, and prove to someone that you actually have a serious interest in becoming a well trained and competent BASE jumper, then look for a mentor in your local area.

Otherwise, you'll find your BASE "career" short and frustrating as very few will assist you in your endeavors.

Good points made. I can agree with those.
I'm actually a pretty humble person, despite how I may have came off in the previous posts. I know very little on base and I'll be the first to say so.
I can't think of much information to post on myself, other than having @350 skydives, would like to start base jumping, something with a big delay off a cliff face in the US, more than 10 seconds.
Is there a place such as that in the US, if so where?

yes there is a place call Kjerag I think it is close to Houston and it is leagl they have FJC too

Psh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, [insert personal insult]

BASE is not a supermarket. you don't get to pick up a can of "I want." instead of telling us what you would like, why not ask for available options. then you could demonstrate humility and choose what is best for you.

how many times will walking up to a total stranger and say "I would like..." get you that which you desire? for free? (try it out on the street one day!)

What part of "NO" did you not understand???

And when are you going to understand that nobody here is just going to hand you something??

Kynan, do a little research on a sport that you wish to get in to that could easily kill you. There are several reasons why people do their first jumps at places like the perrine and kjerag. If you fuck up they're less likely to kill you!

If you want to learn to base jump in the states contact one of the U.S. first jump courses at the Perrine which you can find on the internet. If you want to learn off a big wall go to Norway... they also have a first jump course that many people go through.

In the end, if you want to jump legal big walls then Europe is your destination. Hopefully all this nonsense will help you learn something.

G

What are the biggest cliff face in the US?
You'd think I'm asking ways to smuggle cocaine into the country...hahah
If someone asked me about skydiving who knew little, I'd just tell them what I knew. It's like some secret gay society, wtf? haha

exactly!
and BASE is not skydiving. (you said so yourself.) you have received valid replies. you ignore them.

many different people have attempted numerous explanations on this thread. why do you still not understand? you seem bent on only your self-gratification. sad.

Translation: I don't know of any cliff faces in the US that give you a 12-15 second delay.
Thanks

somebody just tell this dumbass a site you can afford to lose; so he can go, jump, die, and be gone

thats because coke is much easier to get than a legal terminal wall in this country, fuck I could probably make a phone call and be blowing lines in 45 minutes. a legal terminal cliff on the the other hand, is a 15 hour plane ride, 3 hour train ride and hour long hike. and it it'll cost about 20 times as much.. And, if you jump and do happen to go in, thre's a good chance that it won't be legal any longer.
You said it yourself, you know nothing about base. The people that do ,are telling you the way to learn is to go do some jumps off a bridge and work your way up to cliffs. Open your ears, get over your preconceptions about how you think you should learn, and see that there's a better way...

well, that is NOT what I said. but I'm not surprised. you haven't heard much so far...

even though you did not ask...
- I actually do know of an american cliff that can provide a safe 12-15 second delay. it's not in Utah!
- I have jumped in Utah. many people have.

Dude, don't take this shit! We've got a nice cliff in AZ that's legal that you can get a 12 second freefall off of... Well it's only 240' but if you can slow your fall reat enough you should be OK. If you don't have gear I have several rigs you could demo.



OK, OK, I've probably been drinking more than I should to be giving this kind of advice...but hell what was the question???

Great, where could you find a cliff like that in the US?

ok ok I give in man. take 395 north out of vegas approx. 125 miles. Take a left on forest service road 623, go 26.5 miles to the end of the road, hike 9.2 miles. can't miss it, it's fuckin HUGE!

Sweet. I'm out of here. I'll just jump my skydiving rig and pull 100 feet higher than normal.
Thanks man!

For a base jumping forum, there doesn't seem to be much knowledge on locations. Like the feds are really cracking down and infiltrating a base jumping forum...haha
Monster paranoia.

only problem is the top of the cliff is 500 feet lower than you pull, and you better get that sub terminal track going in under three seconds, there's are knarly ledge about a 800' down. and the landing area is the size of a living room surrounded by 50' tall trees. your going to have a hard time sinking in your sabre 2 150...

edit to remove site name ~TA

yep.

sweet. we all agree on something.


Actually, you're wrong. That's why they call it "teaching." If you're referring to your own personal ability to learn, then I stand corrected, but think about sticking to skydiving in that case.


Ummmmmmm... Understanding the "feeling of dead air" IS helping you understand a large part of subterminal tracking, IMHO.


[waving robotic arms frantically] Danger Will Robinson, DANGER! [/robotic arms]

I don't get it. you bitch about people not wanting to help you out by not telling you where you can go kill yourself, when these people are actually HELPING you by not telling you. If you are so fucking confident in your abilities, why don't you go start "www.wormfood.net" where you can advise other people with no experience about BASE.

Think about it. You came HERE looking for information. the people here told you you're not ready for it, and that bummed you out. Then you decide that you know better.

One more thing...
above you said:

BASE and Skydiving can be as safe as one wants to make them. Your seemingly laccidasical concern with your own safety is just another huge red flag telling most of us why we shouldn't tell you shit.

As if that first half of the sentence wasn't enough, the supremely ignorant second part sums it up! You obviously DON'T know the risks involved--and you ARE endangering other people...OTHER BASEJUMPERS. It only takes one ignoramus to go in, burning a site and making BASE that much more marginalized in the eyes of others. Legal objects you say? Not for long with arrogant jumpers like you rotting in the ground at the foot of a once-legal cliff.

Good Luck, and I hope you decide to ACTUALLY educate yourself properly before cruising out to you local 120 ft. cliff and going for that 11 sec. delay.

pope

hey doofus, don't brodcast site names and locations.

That one isn't "legal" though. If he gets caught, his mommie will have to come bail him out.

sshhhhh!
I was gonna tell him that the people who run that place are VERY familiar with BASE jumpers. it is a great, safe place to try out brand-spanking new equipment. and that it has a beautiful meadow lz!

Kynan Cooksey


this sounds like something the kind of enlightened person, who doesn't accept society's self-imposed boundaries, who will bring the future to sports stuck in past now by basically re-inventing the sport as they go along, would say:
'Some people can drive 200,000 miles and still suck at driving, others can get behind the wheel and win Nascar.'

I would say that kind of person is very rare and exactly who you need to help you re-invent BASE jumping!

And what in that profile makes you think he's anything but what he appears to be, another know it all before having tried it?

i just think he was sacarstic...

My appologies if that's the case.

Everything you're looking for can be found right out in the open using the web - just spend a little time looking. . .

For example, (attached)

your attitude sucks. you need to do some research and then change your tune, learning to base jump is a lot of work, you cant just go and jump some magical 12-15 second cliff. do you know how to pack? because no one is going to help you when you are being such a know it all. you are the type of person who will get themselves killed cuz you dont want to listen. and guess what most of the objects in the us are going to be short delays. If your not comfortable with that then you dont need to base jump. sh*t happens very fast in the base enviornment even a 12-15 sec delay. dont phuck up the sport for the people who are willing to put in the time and effort to learn and progress by doing somthing stupid, like killing yourself with ignorance

do some more skydives work on your canopy skills, take a base fjc and jump the perrine

Just go and jump it if you know where it is and make me and alot of others seem like dickheads for researching and preparing ourselfs for years to do what we do.......

I broke my ankle bowling once.

I waited a loooong time before I made my first jump, I listened to alot of advice from "EXPERIENCED" people, but DAMN it looked so easy a drunk monkey could jump off that bridge. I just knew I could do it, I had watched them jump off that bridge for ten years and every year I said "I can do that", I can do that" I asked lots of questions, and I listened(mostly )So, I entered this community with my feet on the ground and my ears open! A couple of years ago, on the Gauley river, we tried to talk a young man and his wife out of putting in, they knew nothing, we,being guides and know everything(maybe) knew enough that a beginner should not attempt the Upper Gauley with out any "EXPERIENCE" on smaller rivers.( 15sec delay vs. 6 sec delay), BUT NO he said it wouldnt be a problem, he died less than a mile down stream.

3-2-1- c-ya!

Here is some advice, from a beginner, since advice from an "EXPERIENCED" person doesnt seem to sit well with you, wait, do it right, and take baby steps, those big walls will still be there in ten years!!!

hey man, i had your attitude for a similar sport once. it cost me my ability to walk or run without a lot of pain.

I suggest, from experience, that you learn a bit slower than you are saying here.

Ill take you somewhere a wee bit safer than the cliff your talking about. it does not have to be the big retard bridge, but it wont be a 800' to impact cliff with a high altitude, horribly boulder/tree/ditch-strewn LZ that gives even the BEST accuracy BASE jumper canopy pilots a challenge.

take it.

I was doing head downs @130jumps.

that makes me laugh...
and it tells me how big your head is...

and since you sound like troll,, there is high cliff called Troll Wall...

But pleace do not come to Switzerland! We had already a first jump fatality in LB from someone who wanted to jump a cliff for his first BASE jump last year.
Honestly, it would be fair that if he realy wants to do his first Jump from a cliff he should do it in the US.
I think that if this is not a troll, it is possible that the guy is going to die soon with that atitude if he starts BASE jumping.
So make the best out of it. Get a ground crew with cameras, explain him how to track in dead air and bring him to a nice cliff. And don't forget to put the video on skydivingmovies!
But do it in the USA...

I have just started BASE jumping a little over a year ago and in the two trip I have done to the perrine I have seen a fatality and a badly broken leg! That was off of one of the "safest" objects you can learn off of. I have learned from others mistakes to take this sport slow! Learn all you can and be prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice in this sport- your life! Everyone commenting on this post are trying to help you enter this sport safely- not only to try to save you from killing yourself but to ensure that the sites that are legal stay that way! Find a mentor! Listen, learn, and do it safely! Good luck.

you could have saved yourself a lot of trouble if you'd asked "hey, i'm looking for all the 700m+ vert/overhanging faces in the Continental United States" at bigwalls.net.

likewise, spare yourself the grief and ask your B/A/S questions at skyscraperpage.com

you'll get answers quickly, from the most knowledgeable sources, and without the guaranteed lecture.