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I'm not a layer...

This will be a BASE specific lawsuit.

The only foundation we have for a lawsuit at this time is discrimination

I think there's more to be done before jumping to a class action suit, but that's just my opinion.

My goal is the same as Carl Boenish, to promote Safe and Legal fixed object jumps all over the world.

Organized protests are a great idea but I think it would serve better if done closer to the time of a lawsuit being filed.

My goal with this lawsuit is to approach the issue of gaining access to our National Parks in a way that has not yet been done.

Context is helpful.

Before Norway existed as a state?

Did you turn to Islamic fundamentalism after Bridge Day 2007?

He is clearly talking about the simulation theory.

I have no inclination to touch, much less to dilate on politics. For in politics, as in religion, my tenets are few & simple: the leading one of which; and indeed that which embraces most others, is to be honest & just ourselves, & to exact it from others; meddling as little as possible in their affairs where our own are not involved. If this maxim was generally adopted, Wars would cease, and our swords would soon be converted into reap-hooks, & our harvests be more abundant, peaceful & happy. ’Tis wonderful it should be otherwise, & that the Earth should be moistened with human gore, instead of the refreshing streams wch the shedders of it might become instruments to lead over its plains, to delight & render profitable our labours. But alas! the Millennium will not, I fear, appear in our days. The restless mind of man cannot be at peace; & when there is disorder within, it will appear without—& soon or late will shew itself in acts. So it is with Nations, whose mind is only the aggregate of those of the individuals, where the Government is representative; and the voice of a Despot, where it is not. -- December 24, 1795

Integrity & firmness is all I can promise—these, be the voyage long or short, never shall forsake me although I may be deserted by all men. - For of the consolations which are to be derived from these (under any circumstances) the world cannot deprive me. -- April 1, 1789

...with feelings not unlike those of a culprit who is going to the place of his execution...

I have no inclination to touch, much less to dilate on politics. For in politics, as in religion, my tenets are few & simple: the leading one of which; and indeed that which embraces most others, is to be honest & just ourselves, & to exact it from others; meddling as little as possible in their affairs where our own are not involved. If this maxim was generally adopted, Wars would cease, and our swords would soon be converted into reap-hooks, & our harvests be more abundant, peaceful & happy. ’Tis wonderful it should be otherwise, & that the Earth should be moistened with human gore, instead of the refreshing streams wch the shedders of it might become instruments to lead over its plains, to delight & render profitable our labours. But alas! the Millennium will not, I fear, appear in our days. The restless mind of man cannot be at peace; & when there is disorder within, it will appear without—& soon or late will shew itself in acts. So it is with Nations, whose mind is only the aggregate of those of the individuals, where the Government is representative; and the voice of a Despot, where it is not. -- December 24, 1795

I'm not super knowledgeable when it comes to law at the moment, which will change, ...

Things are better in Numbers.......I say we include the Paraglider community.

As for paragliding, as I spoke with Le Roy. There is no need to do so. 1) It complicates the lawsuit. The less information to be looked at by the court system the better. I only want to present factual information about BASE. Just because it involves a parachute, does not give us more leverage in our argument. Using examples of other discrimination in our arguments is great but that's different than asking for more. 2) If the above post by BASE 283 is correct, then if BASE were made legal, paragliding would too. They would barely have to lift a finger to gain access if we achieve access.

http://www.basejumper.com/...post=2875028#2875028

Ummm.. how's that decade old lawsuit against your own ego going?

David, please stop bring up these old threads.

When Jason said he was done with the BD comm and wasn't coming back again, he suggested a boycott. I and a few others strongly agreed. An Asshat decided to come and circumvent it and a few other jumpers showed for the event the next year pretty much negating the whole boycott thing. Too bad. It wude have been an excellent step in the rite direction IF it would have been successful and if nobody showed. But, no, that didn't happen. Apparently 1 fucking yr was too much to ask from the BASE community. The odds of getting a REAL lawsuit going are near zero. If you are serious about a change, start small. Boycott BD, make a stand for something and stop begging for a change. It hasn't worked in the past and won't work in the future. Show the NPS yer serious and shut down BD for just 1 yr. No guarantees but, when they get hit in the pocketbook, it does make a difference

As with Collin above:

You Are Extremely Wrong.

You are both more wrong now, than you were twelve years ago.
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Ummm.. how's that decade old lawsuit against your own ego going?

There,, I fixed it for ya.

your ego

I'd guess that the dollar cost to win that kind of lawsuit would be more than the total dollar cost of just paying the fines for every jumper who gets busted in the next 15 years.

I realize that's not the point, but it is some food for thought.

pound ... up your ass

Coconut Cupcakes
Prep Time:35 minutesCook Time:28 minutesTotal Time:1 hour 3 minutes Servings: 24 cupcakes Calories: 415kcal Author: Miranda Course: Dessert Cuisine: American
Ingredients

Cupcakes
1 cup butter room temperature
1 3/4 cups granulated sugar
3 large eggs
1 tsp. vanilla extract
1 tsp. coconut extract
1/2 tsp. salt
1/2 tsp. baking powder
1/2 tsp. baking soda
2 3/4 cups all-purpose flour
14 oz. coconut cream
Raspberry Filling
3 T . cornstarch
1/2 cup granulated sugar
6 oz . fresh raspberries
1/3 cup water
Frosting
1 cup butter room temperature
3 1/2 cups powdered sugar
4 1/2 T. milk
1 tsp. coconut extract
Garnish
24 raspberries
1/2 cup toasted coconut
Instructions
Filling
In a small saucepan, add in the sugar and cornstarch. Whisk until combined.
Add in the raspberries and water, whisking until combined.
Bring the mixture up to a boil and let boil for 2 - 4 minutes until thickened. Be sure to mash the raspberries with the back of a wooden spoon while it's boiling.
Place into a bowl, cover with plastic wrap and place in the fridge to chill.
Cupcakes Preheat oven to 325 degrees. Place the cupcake liners into two cupcake pans. Set aside.
In a large mixing bowl, add in the butter and granulated sugar. Mix until light and fluffy.

Add in the vanilla extract, coconut extract and the eggs one at a time. Beat the egg into the mixture until thoroughly incorporated before adding the next egg. Scrape down the sides of the bowl and beat in any additional egg.
In a separate bowl, add in the flour, baking powder, baking soda and salt. Stir to combine.
Add the coconut cream into a dish and stir. This will help incorporate any liquid that has separated and loosen the cream up some.
Add the flour and coconut cream alternately always starting and ending with the flour. I did 3 additions of flour and 2 additions of coconut cream. Scrape down the sides and mix to combine.
Fill the cupcake liners 3/4 full.
Place the cupcakes into the oven and bake for 28 minutes or until done. Remove from the oven and let cool completely before adding the filling or frosting.
Frosting
In a large bowl, add in the butter, powdered sugar, milk, and coconut extract. Mix on medium until incorporated. Turn mixer on high and beat for another 1 - 2 minutes until light and fluffy.
Add half of the frosting into a disposable bag fitted with a 1M tip.
Assemble
Using a small knife, cut a hole in the center of the cooled cupcakes. Make sure it doesn't go all the way through the cupcake though.
Add the chilled raspberry filling in a disposable piping bag. Fill each of the cupcakes to the top of the cupcake with the filling.
Using the frosting in the piping bag, add a swirl to each cupcake.
Add some toasted coconut to the top of each cupcake and top with fresh raspberry.
Keyword: Coconut Cupcakes, raspberry filling
Nutrition
Calories: 415kcal | Carbohydrates: 50g | Protein: 3g | Fat: 23g | Saturated Fat: 16g | Cholesterol: 67mg | Sodium: 215mg | Potassium: 117mg | Fiber: 1g | Sugar: 36g | Vitamin A: 10.3% | Vitamin C: 3.4% | Calcium: 2% | Iron: 7.3%

Raspberry Filling

Out of curiosity, how are your psych meds managed?
Have they increased the doses? or have you gone off them completely?

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I'm kinda afraid of the coco wrath but I will say congrat anyway...

be safe don't die

http://www.basejumper.com/...post=2647250#2647250

In all seriousness, Coco can you please try to cut back on the resurrection of 10 year old posts and the posting of strings of animated graphics?

Thanks.

How many BASE jumps have you done in the last 12 months? Just curious, given that you're the squeaky wheel on this forum.

Well then, why don't you reply back to this thread in another 12 years and update us chief.

https://chrome.google.com/...mdndlcdgflbmadiomico

this will put an 'X' next so someones username.
if you click the X, you wont see their posts


it is like a breath of fresh air

I'm totally making this!!!

When Jason said he was done with the BD comm and wasn't coming back again, he suggested a boycott. I and a few others strongly agreed. An Asshat decided to come and circumvent it and a few other jumpers showed for the event the next year pretty much negating the whole boycott thing. Too bad. It wude have been an excellent step in the rite direction IF it would have been successful and if nobody showed. But, no, that didn't happen. Apparently 1 fucking yr was too much to ask from the BASE community. The odds of getting a REAL lawsuit going are near zero. If you are serious about a change, start small. Boycott BD, make a stand for something and stop begging for a change. It hasn't worked in the past and won't work in the future. Show the NPS yer serious and shut down BD for just 1 yr. No guarantees but, when they get hit in the pocketbook, it does make a difference

As with Collin above:

You Are Extremely Wrong.

You are both more wrong now, than [he was] twelve years ago.

Wrong? How do you or anyone know that? Since it was never done, nobody knows what the results mite have been. When that Bozo jumped in all kinds of things were said to change. How'd that work out? In spite of your all knowing attitude and incorrect assumptions about other folks knowledge or experience, an action has to be actually implemented to see any results. I gave up on these forums because of shit like this. I'll continue to do my thing and watch the fools that seem to know more than well, anyone, keep spewing there stupidity. Good Luck

Well then, why don't you reply back to this thread in another 12 years and update us chief. But your nonsense is just that. I seriously doubt you have ANY legal experience going AGAINST the federal government.

Good luck with that!
It's like the moronic woman in Colorado who bought a house next to an airport and files a lawsuit against MHSD and the FAA. She spent 500k.... and lost!
You and cocopuffs can chest pound your intelligence up your ass. You'll still never win a lawsuit against the feds over this sport allowed in Yosemite.

1. Your PM made no sense like the rest of your posts. You asked something about the FAA? So whatever your question was I’m sure it’s searchable on this site called “google”
Learn to do your own homework David.
http://www.basejumper.com/...post=2998210#2998210

2. Jesus is talking to you? Are you a moe?

What's with that recipe?

Just adding some substance to an otherwise stale thread
but only he/she who eats the cupcake will truly know.

Hookers & blow Slambo..

... Hookers & blow. ... and Super Gonorrhea.

Don't dread suffering, that only makes it worse. Anticipate it, predict it, even exaggerate it in your anticipation of it. Don't fight a neurosis, or a symptom of one. It may actually be a friend in disguise, a mere symptom of a deeper disturbance rendered less severe by it. A neurosis may well be a vital protective shield. Detach yourself from it, predict it, exaggerate it and laugh at it. It can safely and effectively be ridiculed away, but not torn away. Try to find meaning in every circumstance; meaning varies with the individual and with him it may vary by the hour. The meaning for a particular moment may simply be to endure that moment in a manner that you can be proud of. But, be aware of false pride. Don't expect too much. Perhaps in retrospect, it will show, that it was meaningful enough just to have endured. To have survived. To have tried. Perhaps in the end it will be just as meaningful to look back and say, I tried. As it would be to say, I succeeded.

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The NPS loves raspberries.

I'm sure they would love you with all your cum and skeet talk.

I won't mention any names,, but the fact is that I took a couple of dip shit buddies to the the Mustang Ranch and they both, unknowingly, got blown from the same chick and they both had the super gonorrhea for weeks. Poor bastards.

A felony?? it should be legal... c'mon man.

For the amount of jumping that goes on in Yosemite, it's already damn near legal too.

Everyone wants to jump during the day and not get busted.. or in your case "you want to jump with your dad" and not have to worry about getting busted.

Go ahead and fight your fight dude.

I think the government will be wiping raspberry skeet from their lips.

Watch out for those hookers in downtown Sac SLAMBO!

Bump

^because David is in a manic phase currently, and if he wants to waste 50k+ to jump with his dad off some stupid ass bridge in Virginia, let him waste his time and money. In the mean time everyone else is off to jump Yosemite and Europe... and doing bumps from Slambo.

between this post, and 99% of your others. Thank you for letting us all know you're currently in the manic phase. You should try Risperdal Consta so that you don't have to take daily meds.

15 years from now, the NP will STILL be closed to jumping, you'll be too demented to know what a national park is.

you have to remember that it's not "what you could get by with."

The whole aerial delivery law is bunk to begin with when applied to our sport--it's merely the closest thing to a law prohibiting BASE in the parks as they have without making new laws. Those fuckers are going to bust you no matter how good of an excuse you have...and take your gear...and fine you...and take you to jail...

When WE can make the rules, oh the fun I'm going to have--the rangers will be bringing me lunch in the LZ's they are keeping clear for me, they will be providing shaded packing areas in the summer, and heated ones in winter. We may even have them take turns being an accuracy pad to stomp in the LZ.

Until then, it's camo and surreptitious stealth missions.

PS: a big hello to all the [non-BASE friendly] rangers reading this post!

http://www.basejumper.com/...post=2616022#2616022

Pretty Much

PS: a big hello to all the [non-BASE friendly] rangers reading this post!

And thinking that a boycott of 2019 or 2020 would be beneficial, outside of something similar in severity as the fingerprinting... is truly insane. Get Over It ... Let's Be Productive.

This is the best documentary about George Washington that I've seen to date:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iVsdRbhnc

Coco,

I agree with you. ... ... Congressman Tancredo got involved, but we still can't jump in National Parks outside of Bridge Day.

Permit Denial #1

Permit Denial #2

Fred Morelli talked about a lawsuit against the NPS more than five years ago. I'll give him a call/email and find out more.

Fred Morelli was prepared to file a similar lawsuit in the late 90's or early 2000's, but he must have lost interest. For the last few years, I discussed the idea with several people and all have supported it.

PS: a big hello to all the [non-BASE friendly] rangers reading this post!

A spokeswoman for Senator Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.) said the senator is "against eliminating the filibuster, and she is not open to changing her mind about eliminating the filibuster."

Ummm.. how's that decade old lawsuit going?

NOW, no Bridge Day at all, again...

https://www.wvgazettemail.com/...e3-cfc168ce5040.html

County commissioners said their vote was not because of COVID-19 numbers or because the county couldn’t provide for the safety of BASE jumpers or attendees. They blamed the move on “a small group of individuals” who influenced the event’s BASE jumping coordinator.

“They did this by misleading him to believe the jumpers he represents would not have the support they required to efficiently reach the jump site or have access to medical care, should they suffer an injury,” the commission wrote. “This small group knew the BASE jumper withdrawal would likely result in the cancellation of Bridge Day — and, they were right.

“As you all know, BASE jumping is the main event at Bridge Day and, without it, Bridge Day would not be the same. Your county commissioners believe the nation’s newest national park deserves to be celebrated with the full glory of Bridge Days past. Under the current circumstances, we do not believe that possible.”

In the news release, Fayette County commissioners said they would act to change the Bridge Day Commission’s bylaws, to make sure no individual or small group “has the power to unilaterally influence a decision that affects not just Fayette County, but also Bridge Day attendees and participants, neighboring counties, the State of West Virginia and the National Park Service.”

Wednesday’s cancellation is the third time the event has been called off since it began in 1980. The event also was canceled in 2001, after the al-Qaida terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, Naylor said.

https://www.the-journal.com/...r-parachutists-exit/

Ellison said the statement, which did not identify the individuals or small group, was “just flat-out not true.”

"Since I've been involved with the BASE side of things since 2015 as the organizer, we've always done things as a team,” Ellison said in a telephone interview Wednesday night. “We all talk and discuss things and that's not just me or one other person on the commission. That's the entire body. That's how it's always worked and that's how it works the best, when we all discuss things in the open and come to the proper decision on how to move forward with the event. And that's what we did."

"There's no conspiracies."

I wonder if baronn is thinking what I'm thinking [,] that he should probably be thinking...

Gear checks will be interesting this year!

https://fayettecounty.wv.gov/...e%20Day%20092921.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/...p;id=101112375462779

September 29, 2021

PRESS RELEASE:

It is with great regret the Fayette County Commissioners inform the public we have decided unanimously to exercise our vote at the Bridge Day Commission meeting later today to effectively cancel Bridge Day 2021. We did not make this decision lightly. There have been many theories about why this issue is up for another vote only two weeks after the Bridge Day Commission voted 4-2 in favor of proceeding with Bridge Day this year, and we would like to set the record straight.

It is not because the County’s COVID numbers are getting worse since the Bridge Day Commission voted to proceed with Bridge Day two weeks ago, because they are improving.

It is not because the County could not provide for the safety of the BASE jumpers or Bridge Day attendees and participants, because the State and the Summit Bechtel Reserve were prepared to provide resources to accommodate the needs of any additional sick or injured.

It is not because the local hospitals asked the County or the Bridge Day Commission to cancel the event, because it did not.

It is not because there were not enough bus drivers to transport guests or participants to events, because the State Department of Education was prepared to assist the Bridge Day Commission with recruiting volunteer bus drivers from other counties to assist.

It was not because the National Park Service refused to issue a permit due to any of these issues, because it granted the permit and only required a mask mandate to enter the venue.

It is not because anything changed for the worse since the Bridge Day Commission voted to proceed with Bridge Day, because nothing has.

It IS because a small group of individuals decided it knew better than your elected Federal, State and County officials and acted to influence the coordinator of Bridge Day’s main event, BASE jumping, to cancel its participation in Bridge Day. They did this by misleading him to believe the jumpers he represents would not have the support they required to efficiently reach the jump site or have access to medical care should they suffer an injury. This small group knew the BASE jumper withdrawal would likely result in the cancellation of Bridge Day - and, they were right.

As you all know, BASE jumping is the main event at Bridge Day, and without it, Bridge Day would not be the same. Your County Commissioners believe the Nation’s newest national park deserves to be celebrated with the full glory of Bridge Days past. Under the current circumstances, we do not believe that possible.

That said, your Fayette County Commissioners will act promptly to implement changes to the Bridge Day Commission bylaws and take all necessary action to ensure in the future no individual or small group has the power to unilaterally influence a decision that affects not just Fayette County, but also Bridge Day attendees and participants, neighboring counties, the State of West Virginia and the National Park Service. We join you in your disappointment over this news and look forward to seeing you at Bridge Day 2022.

I told Fred several years back, I would be more than happy to donate Paralegal time/services...am still willing to do so. Drop me a line/PM if you need me to look anything up or how I can help out.

Later Jason,
Kaye

VERIFIED CLASS ACTION COMPLAINT FOR PRELIMINARY AND PERMANENT INJUNCTIVE RELIEF AND DECLARATORY RELIEF

https://lc.org/...aintwithExhibits.pdf

Yeah, Well, if this forum hadn't gotten so damn boring I wouldn't have to try to liven it up; or try getting people to come back. I sent FastPete a PM (seeing if he had notifications turned on... he did), logged in, but hasn't been back in over a year. Now That's Funny! ... So again, if they do to the BASEZone what they have done to the Dorkzone, without addressing every issue [possible] first; this place is gonna seriously suffer.

Note: I will say, that's a nice little tie into the thread that got me to start posting. I'll give ya 1 witty point.


Think RBG will still be on the bench in 12 years?

I don't think Ray Kurzweil's predictions are coming quite fast enough.

Schizophrenia
Overview

It sounds to me like [DingleBerry#2 / JDS] is upset that others are planning to take some real action and his name isn't attached to it. I can smell a little of [Robin] in some of these posts...

Coco,

I agree with you. No one is currently doing anything of great significance to further legal jumping in National Parks, so do we really have anything to lose here? 27+ years of discrimination is a very good reason to pursue a lawsuit. We've done a lot at the lower levels, but maybe it's time to get everyone's attention and take it to federal court. Congressman Tancredo got involved, but we still can't jump in National Parks outside of Bridge Day.

Fred Morelli was prepared to file a similar lawsuit in the late 90's or early 2000's, but he must have lost interest. For the last few years, I discussed the idea with several people and all have supported it.

It sounds to me like Robin Heid is upset that others are planning to take some real action and his name isn't attached to it. I can smell a little of Robin in some of these posts...

Give me a call when you can, Coco. Cya.

http://www.basejumper.com/...post=2875067#2875067

It's funny how things happen... at particular times.

I started this thread right before Norway...

Hadn't forgotten about it, but it wasn’t until very recently that this thread, directly, returned to my attention; quite a long winded explanation, and a very freaky means to which it did, as well.

Seven Years... Seven, Years.

It's funny how things happen... at particular times.


I started this thread right before Norway...

Hadn't forgotten about it, but it wasn’t until very recently that this thread, directly, returned to my attention; quite a long winded explanation, and a very freaky means to which it did, as well.

Little Did I Know... how drastically my life would change, forever, soon after at BD '07.

And what is forever listed, right above it?

Bridge Day 2007



GRIN ... Unreal

Not to mention, that I "happen to live" in one of the few states, that still has a "Reading Law" program.



Seven Years... Seven, Years.

I’ve said it many times over, in the last few years. Oh, and I’m sure I’ll say it many more:

G-d has a bizarre sense of humor.


The Hand of G-d has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations.