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Outstanding footage . . .

But, regardless, if you want to help sell a crap drink to children, why are you "using" BASE jumping? You are giving away something the corporate sharks couldn’t get their hands on in a million years. Enjoy your few minutes of fame . . .

NickD
BASE 194


edit to remove personal attack, and for thread title after split ~TA

come on...u re jumping LF in the picture...whats that ?????

It's "in house" . . .

What don't you understand about that . . . ?

NickD
BASE 194

hell yeah,...for a jump we do everything...
we are whores....ah...no... we are pornstars

i understand your message...
i have to think about it....

And your views on the Bridgeday EVENT with it's hundreds of thousands of public spectators?

I'm assuming all who attend that event are assholes too, and that you have always shunned the spotlight there.



edit to remove personal attack ~TA

took am angry pill with sarcastic chaser before that post? whats with all the antimosity? are you really telling me that you wouldnt have jumped (pun intended) at this event, or any like it 20 years ago, 15, 10, yesterday? I doubt that you would have turned this down in the past at some point. maybe not now, but i would bet you would have at some point.

and i dont think "energy drinks" are completely aimed at kids. they are about the same level as alcohol (IMO as an imdustry insider)


-nic

By all do respect for you mr Nick DG but that's just pathetic. Maybe you are just bitter 'cause you were not invited to that event ? Maybe you are not that big of a hero in base scene you thought you were ? Truth hurts but please, don't call other jumpers assholes if you even try to consider yourself as jumper as well. You have been jumping in front of hundreds thousands wuffos in BD and "selling out" BASE for some wannabepussy or a blow job before even some of the "assholes" on X-days were even born. So perhaps you are the last people who shuold be giving that glory hound crap to anyone.

I used to have most respect for you because of what you have done for the sport but commets like that are just total bullshit. We should be brothers in this sport, not flame each other and make personal attacks (aren't they actually forbidden in this forum or is it ok to call a group of jumpers assholes but when you aim it towards one person it's forbidden ?).

p.s By the way, the event was whole lotta fun!

edit to remove personal attack ~TA

My primary purpose for going to the event was to jump that object. Like the vast majority of jumpers, our priority was to jump for fun. Supporting Go-Fast drinks was a means to an end and they kindly paid for the event, fed me and allowed me to jump a top banana object. If you look at the workload I had to do supporting Go-Fast it was miniscule. It was a good deal I thought.

very well said, i second every fucking word you just wrote.

and yeah it was a hell of a lot of fun except for those damm ropes and trees.

by the way i will be in helsinki (sp) in 4 days and i am looking you up wheather you like it or not.

As an 'outsider' (being hired by GoFast to do the video) I can say that this was definately not an ego driven event.
I met lots of people there, and couldnt name one in particular that was walking around with a 'look at me' attitude, or there for fame and glory.

Or is there some unwritten rule which states that basejumping needs to be illegal for it to count towards some form of bad-ass image which seems to be manditory for some people?

Everyone was there to have fun. The mood was nice and easy, and everyone worked hard to show basejumping to the public in a positive way.

All media coveredge on TV was positive, and there are already talks about next year, as GoFast and the Euromast organisation both thought it was a big succes.

The only people that had to defend themselves and their sport for TV in the interviews that where given/taken there was the kids racing scooters..

Wow, you must really dislike those poor kids on their funny scooters...

And by the way, thank you GoFast for organizing this event and letting me jump leagally an extreemly nice object for 2 days, I had lots of fun and got to meet old friends and some new friends too doing the thing I love to do the most.

Anyone who has taken even a passing interest in Nick's posts in the past should already have noticed one immutable thread which link his bilious rants, that being the "one rule for him and his buddies and one rule for the rest of us" chestnut....and all this justified with the disconcertingly vague "things were different back then" get out of jail free card.

Nick DG slamming people over scrambling for their supposed "15 minutes of fame" is the biggest joke i've heard in a long time. No one has come across as desperate as he is for an extra hour basking in the warmth of the celebrity sun and I even suspect these contentious rants of his are just another way of ensuring that he's not completely overlooked by the spotlight.

Obviously this is a discussion with some contention. I'm sure that, even so, we are all capable of discussing this topic like adults, without slinging petty insults around. Please stop the name calling.

Thanks!

Fortunately living in Europe offers so much hassle-free base jumping and opportunities, that its not really relevant what some old school have to say.

Base jumping is as personal or as commercial as you want to make it.

Base Jumping will continue to develop as an extreme sporting media\branding vehicle, as long as there is a demand.

As for 15 minutes of frame, well no-one individual really faced the product or object (Ego’s need not apply!), it was simply get on with it and make it a success by being professional about it.

Plus they threw in a FREE day’s jumping off a crane :)

I know were I’ll be next year.

Pete Mac

http://UKProBASE.com (Making it Happen)

Ok, I will bite on this one. Did you expect different ? You did not think ? that to single out NickDG's Post would bring out others in opinions aggressive in manor in rebuttal ? While possibly leaving Nick in defense also.
You did not think that grafting a persons Posted opinion from a discussion in a Thread. To Headline your designer Thread. Was going to inflame emotional outbursts of opinions from others as they attempt to build the Thread that 'You started' from that single opinionated Post ?
There is no moderators book of rules to follow but you chose to Split and pull out the Post that NickDG did. Then single it out, to stand alone for public display for all to Post there attitudes of opinion on a titled Thread of, 'Publicity Discussion'. Then when public discussion and Posts with opinion appear that is not to 'your personal flavor'. You seek to discipline, edit and mold the building structure of the Threads when things seem to get a little unruly.
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Since Nick posted it, shouldnt he be perfectly capable of standing for and defending what he sayd himself?

If you can only say things 'hidden' deep witin a thread, and cant take it when people answer and dont agree with what you say....then DONT POST ANYTHING!

I'd go further Ray.

Splitting it off, then removing the offending comment - where Nick called everyone who attended the Go FAst event in Rotterdam 'assholes' removes the context with which several replied, in effect making it look like those who took exception to his pathetic outburst are the aggressors here.

So just in the interests of balance, and for anyone who missed the original unedited post, Nick DG, the last bastion of self appointed wisdom, called anyone who attends, or has participated in BASE jumping events (which are backed or sponsored by any organisation with commercial interests outside of BASE jumping) glory seeking assholes. Past or Future.

So if you have attended the Royal Gorge games (courtesy of Go Fast), KL (courtesy of Menara amongst others), The UK and Belgium Crane boogies (Go FAst again), Ostankino (courtesy of many sponsors), Bridgeday (with it's 1000's of spectators and sponsors including Dodge) and any number of other worldwide events....HE means YOU.....assholios.

Discuss in an adult manner!

Oh and Nick....didn't you attend Bridge Day 2004, 2005 which if i'm not mistaken, was sponsored by that other fizzy drinks company Red Bull???

Just wondering that's all!!

Here's my reasoning:

The original X-Days thread already had a significant discussion about an unrelated topic (the premature closure of the event). Nick's post was likely to only sidetrack the discussion into a separate topic. As a separate topic, it deserved it's own thread (and discussion would be better served to remove the subjects from each other). I decided to separate the two threads so that each of them could continue without interfering with the other. I do feel a little bad about doing that, because it does put Nick on the spot, and to an extent forces him to defend a position that he had "buried" in a thread, rather than "headlining" as it's own thread. Nick, I apologize for doing that to you, and I hope you can understand my reasoning.

The discussion springing from Nick's post contained several personal attacks. Leaving those attacks in simply encourages continued personal attacks on all sides, inflames the posters, and detracts from reasonable discussion of the underlying point Nick is trying to make. I refuse to let this thread degenerate into juvenile name calling ("you're an asshole..." "oh, yeah, well you're an assholio, so there..."). That means I am either going to lock it entirely (and kill the discussion), or remove the PA's so that they don't spin people up into more attacks, and then allow the discussion to continue. I decided to remove the attacks and let the discussion continue.


Ray, every post in this thread above my notice of the split was made (in the other thread) before I split this stuff off. I hardly think I was forcing people to post those things, and I don't think I made it any more likely, given the immediate and forceful responses that were side tracking that other thread.

Ian, I understand that you want to be able to call people names. Unfortunately, that really doesn't work very well once a forum reaches a certain critical mass. I am unwilling to allow this forum to degenerate to the place BLiNC was before the "vote purge" incident, where the top threads are all ongoing flame fests, and any useful discussion is immediately buried by angry shouting matches. If you want to call people names, there are many other forums (in fact, virtually all other forums) where you can do so. I understand that it is sometimes important for people to vent their anger in this fashion, and that forums allowing such venting are equally important. Please respect that this forum is not such a place.

Tom

This is the kind of skewed reasoning that really winds people up and has beset this forum with accusations of favouritism and biased moderation. Nick get's an apology and you accuse ME of name calling.

Nick's attack (it wasn't some innocent comment you know) against hundreds of individuals was about as childish as it gets. An insult for the sake of insulting. A person can not after all literally be an asshole. Naive maybe, moronic maybe, unethical maybe but what's asshole supposed to mean exactly.

I replied that Nick was an embittered hypocrite. That's pretty specific and is not without merit.

Embittered because his comments were, overall, groundless and motivated by hatred for people he really doesn't know anything about, and hypocritical because he has attended events sponsored by an energy drink manufacturer but obviously doesn't feel that his participation broke any cardinal ethical rules whereas those who attended X days did.

I would have thought, that an intelligent guy like yourself would have been able to distinguish between childish inflammatory insults (asshole, wanker, shitface, dickhead, knob jockey, gayboy etc) and considered critical assessments of an individual's personality traits (hypocrite, bitter, disingenuous, pious, naive etc)

I'm struggling to work out what you wanted or expected in response to Nick's post, which as Ray pointed out, you chose to highlight by splitting it off. Was it really unforeseeable that some of us would read that comment and think "what a total hypocrite coming from a dude who did a bunch of TV interviews at a red bull sponsored bridgeday only 2 years ago".

Or is me pointing this out not playing by the rules. Am I not showing the deference you feel Nick deserves?

Well be default, I have the utmost respect for any BASE jumper who was part of the pioneering years. However, that respect is not unconditional. Nick has proven time and again that he harbours serious ill-will and lack of any reciprical respect for an entire generation of jumpers and so whatever respect I might have had for him has long since evaporated.

Name caller indeed. Now that's an inflammatory personal attack if ever there was one.

we can find what Nick said in maretus answer (including assholes and other stuff)

with all the respect and all the consideration it`s sad than a basejumper (skydiver) say about another one it`s an asshole just because he had the chance to jump an object (even if it`s sponsored by a company).

sad

Apologies. I had overlooked that. I've gone back and edited it out.

So what about the points Ian made in his last post? As he points out, it doesn't make a lot of sense for you to apologize to Nick but then crack Ian. Nick is the one who started with the name-calling in the first place, and Ian just responded to that. If you are unsure about that, go back and read his unedited original post. Fine if you want to slap Ian for a bit of name calling (he was totally right, but whatever), but if you are going to do that, you should be slapping Nick for starting it off. And under no circumstances should be you APOLOGIZING to him! WTF?!

...not the intended discussion, but one certainly worth following...

I think the ball is currently in Tom's (and I guess possible Nick's) court right now - next reply please

I apologized to Nick for moving his post.

That's unrelated to the personal attacks. What was it that made you think I was apologizing to Nick for editing out his attack? Was it the part where I said nothing about that? Or perhaps the part where I edited his post?

Let me be absolutely clear:

I do not apologize for removing the attacks from this thread. Anyone's attacks, in any posts.


Why did I respond to Ian, by name, about my moderation? If you carefully read that post, you will note that I responded to Ian and Ray, who were, actually, the two people who had voiced complaints. Nick did not voice a complaint--hence I did not respond to him.

Now this is a thread worth reading. Lots of good BASE info going on here.
Face it, Your all a bunch of fuck wads. Get a life will ya. Humm. I wonder if this will result in my very first banning? No great loss considering what seems to be the main focus of this forum these days.
K

HA hahah LOL, Sometimes I miss you. ...
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mccordia:
I agree, Nick is perfectly capable of standing and defending. I am not defending what NickDJ Posted in my Post. I think you are mis-reading me.

Saber210:
Like I said, I am not in defense of Nicks Post. He is wrong. I have attended Go-Fast events. I like them as Organizers. I think they do an excellent job. The Vid. that mccordia Posted was most excellent in it's show of just how professional and in control that the sponsored jumpers are. From what I saw in it. The BASE jumps made by sponsored jumpers were spot-on. No sick stuff just hand-held exits with good Headings and right to the LZ.
Just 'THE WAY' you are suppose do perform at a public event to make your Organizer look it's best and to help build more BASE events.
I have only attended a couple of go-fast royal gorge events but it's the same at any other organised event like bridge days, the older IPBC events, four kl tower/petronas towers. Heliboogie, turkey days, and whatever. The DickHead that got This go-fast event shut down prematurely that people were talking about I don't know about the details but you usually really got to show your Ass for that to make happen at a BASE event.
Anyway I am not defending Nicks mindless blurt out. Just in taking it to a new level as moving it to a new Thread.

Tom:
I totally understand the reasoning that you say. I just think taking Nicks post and then letting it stand out there in heading of a new Thread topic is just a magnet for what you personally don't want. One second it is in an ongoing discussion. Nick blurts out an off-the-wall rant. You see it, move it, then it just gets get more moderating/editing.
It just bugs me when Threads are altered and split-up. I can read and listen to several different written conversations with a few insults thrown-in, all in the same Thread topic. Name calling does not really bother me but sometimes I think 'You' take name calling more personal than the person getting called the names does. It's like Mother and Moderator. They are two different titles but both are important. Neither get the recognition they deserve. I just feel Mother has nothing to do with Moderator.
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Ha! I wish Ray, i wish.

You still haven't answered my primary question: why didn't you say ANYTHING to Nick about calling everyone who attended the event assholes but then you blast Ian for name-calling in response? The only thing you said to His Holier-Than-Thou-ness was how sorry you were for splitting out his post. Not a word about the personal attack that was in the original un-edited version. (And as I understand it, because many of the jumpers who attended the event also post here, calling them all assholes is a personal attack prohibited by the rules here.) While Ian's post may have technically been a personal attack, at least it was based Nick's own words. Nick's post was just a blast at a bunch of people he doesn't even necessarily know who attended an event he knows nothing about. Yet not even a word of warning to Nick about that. I know I am not the only one here who thinks that's crap and would like to hear your explanation as to how that is fair or equal treatment of posters, so how about it?

that is based on Sangiro's rules. personally, it appears to create a better climate; more civilized. many lurk here. I'd expect their numbers would fall if the mood changed.

it definately sets this forum apart from the rest...

I would expect a post containing such a blatant attack to receive a warning from the moderator. the whole tone of the thread changed dramatically because of the attack. little has been written for/against Nick's point. if Nick had ommitted the attack, this discussion would have followed a far different path.

I find it odd how some events get criticized, while others are applauded. I don't recall any negative posts after the Super Bowl jump or several Stunt Junkies episodes (well, the Luigi one...)

personally, I'd rather see BASE kept personal, not public. do it to satisfy an inner passion, not external fame. the big events seem to create a herd mindset which leads to less than desirable behavior.

(that does NOT mean I'll abstain entirely from big public events...)

In my opinion: 5 1/2 to 6 second delay using a 38 inch pilot chute. Additionally, yes, a 7 is technically doable but you will be in the basement.

Good luck

Please carefully re-read the thread. My first post in it was a response to Nick in which I said:



This was intended as a general warning to everyone who had posted attacks that I had edited out of the thread. Please note that this group includes Nick, whose post I was responding to. You can determine which post I was responding to by the header, which in this case reads " Re: [NickDG]" indicating that I had responded to a post by NickDG.

I did not continue discussion in the thread with any of the original people whose posts I had edited (Maretus, NickDG, Sabre210), aside from Sabre210. The reason for that is because he was the only one of those three who posted a response asking for clarification.

I responded to RayLosli and Sabre210 in my second post because they were the posters who had asked questions, in this thread, about my moderation decision.

Right. I got all that. But when you did make your specific response to Ian, you started out by saying you understood HE wanted to be able to call people names, and then you go on about how you are not going to let this forum degerate into the flame fest that BLiNC became, as if Ian was the prime offender here with the name-calling. If YOU go back and read carefully, you will see that Ian was not engaging in petty name-calling like Nick was. He WAS commenting on Nick's motives, his attitude and the hypocrisy in many of his rants about glory-seeking, the good old days, etc. But his comments, although very critical of Nick, were generally civilized and mature. Yet your response to him makes it sound like he was the instigator and the one determined to take this forum down the path BLiNC got sucked down. It seems like you want to give your buddy, Nick, a free pass (or at most, a love tap on the wrist), but you want to slap Ian, and that just doesn't seem right. I'll leave it at that, though, because I'm pretty sure you are not going to admit any bias in your moderation on this, and I am positive you are not going to be able to convince me that there wasn't any here.

Here's what happened:

1) Nick started an argument with a general attack.
2) Several people responded. Two of them (Ian and Maretus) included attacks on Nick.
3) I split the thread, and edited out the attacks in those three posts.
4) I posted a general warning to the three of them (and anyone else who was considering it) to cut it out.
5) Ian posted again, re-introducing the name calling that I'd edited out.
6) I posted a response to Ian (and Ray) explaining what I'd done, and asking him to stop it.


Seeing as Ian was the only person who obviously wanted to re-introduce the attacks (because he did, in his post after my split and general warning), I think it was pretty fair of me to say that he wanted to do that.


If I really thought that this was a big deal, or really wanted to "slap" someone, wouldn't I have banned them in some way? We're still in the realm of warnings here. One warning for Nick and Maretus, and two for Ian (one for the original offense, and one for re-posting the attacks).

what did the five fingers say to the face?

Bitchslap fool

Stay the course. Stay the course.

Coo-eee!

Personal attacks are forbidden in this forum and therefore I feel that the warning from TomA towards me was more than deserved. My post contained obvious and deliberate personal attack towards NickDG (calling him an a*****e). No problems from me towards Tom about that, he did his job as a moderator of this board like he should do. Even banning me from this forum could have been in order. But what I would really like to get (and what this topic maybe should focus on) is a response from Nick about why did he feel necessary to start this whole name calling in the first place ? I'd say that is the key point of this topic, not the moderator work of TomA.

Time to move on! He said, she said. I think my feelings are pretty clear on this issue and Tom has dealt with the matter how he sees fit.

Craig. You couldn't help yourself could you? Don't make me drag up your KL performance now!

ian

HHAHAHAHAH LOL ( I am really laughing ) Man that is funny. now (blow-up) the pic. in size and take a look at that Expression on his Face. PRICELESS ! ...
From the G0-Fast Vid. that was Posted that I saw This must have been 'edited', LOL Shit happens even to the best of them.

Still takes a lot to get a event closed early. Don't really care who it was but mail me or PM me what the dirty deed was ?
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Watch it Ray!

It happens to the best....true....but it happens a lot more to the worst.

I've said it before and i'll say it again. I've never claimed to be good at BASE jumping but you can't fault me for effort.

ian

Uh oh! Now everyone knows what 'the Hippo' looks like.
You'll have Nick DG round your house breaking your windows.
DTM.

Any personal remarks aside Nick IS right. Go Fast was using BASE jumpers for publicity. So what? Are you people denying this? I mean come on. Was the day more about BASE jumping or more about selling a few more cans of GO Fast? It's not hard to figure out. At the same time I suppose you can say the jumpers used Go Fast to have a few free jumps. Who used who more? Go Fast for the money? Or the BASE jumpers for that extra ounce of life? What's worth more to you? Money? Moments you feel alive? Is BASE less sacred now? Is Go Fast! more extreme?

What that then

The Hippo
1 Poplar Way
Rotterdam

PeteMac

Hey Folks,

I wasn’t in Rotterdam. I just organized many legal stuff in the past. And to shrink it down what it is: BASE is jumping from fixed Objects. Nothing more or less.
And if the public or corporates can be used as a door opener whe should be thankfull for the permition to jump this particular location. And as we will be ambassadors of our sport in such situations, we carry a huge responsibility with us towards our fellow jumpers and the World BASE Community itself.
Everybody who is not able to respect this cicumstances and environment of someone elses stage just should step back and keep BASE in the world he/she may think it belongs.
I pitty the guy who needed to produce himself in Rotterdam that far to feel to be someone. A BASE jumper, who normally should hold enough self asteem, just should be wiser than this.
It’s always our own choice to use such events as a great chance to create a reasonable image and understanding instead of abusing this gift for our ego. It is never a useful tool infront of the society or thrill seeking media to be reckless, producing show offs or do things we never would do without audience.
But as BASE once started, weren’t we the people who really live(d) the dream of human flight? Are we meanwhile so far away that we only can care about our personal attention and therefore use BASE. And if tomorrow it will be fancy to throw yellow balls on red cars we do that?
I can’t tell but BASE is much more than just to serve ourselfs. It’s the idea of curiosity, adventure and the human desire of development. It’s the perfect picture of why we are alive.
We should keep this treasure by trying to understand the deeper meaning of its value. So don’t burn secret sites and don’t fuck up legal ones. And shut up telling what you did last night and don’t show all your videos around. Don’t take yourself to important pretending it is important for all others what you are doing. And of course make wise choices to whom you open the door into BASE. The consequences are coming up anyway.

Go BASE for your own and respect it
Siya
M.

great post, but what the #8217 for?

it's for '

I'm guessing it's a conversion error between Mahle's german language keyboard and DZ.com's english language posting interface.

ok thx

That is sad.

I thought different about you.

But I guess you don´t have a good idea of the whole Go Fast Base scenario. Go Fast is doing a lot to legalize BASE in some countries. At least in mine it is. And doing this events helps a lot.

Peace

Honestly I don't give a fuck. I'll jump tonight, just like I did yesterday, and nor matter what happens after this, I'll continue to jump tomorrow.

Should we sell out to nab a few extra jumps? I think no. Renegade those sweet ones kids, that's where it's really at. But those are your morals, and who am I to judge? So I don't. I do it my way, and fuck ya'll.

cya on the edge.