Basejumper.com - archive

This subject is also at wingsuit forum, but i guess it might also fit under this category.

Statistics: hand to the rail is 86 ft

Witnesses said Jeb flew from 2 and 6 ft of hitting the rail and he repeated the flight four times.

Good job, bro!


WINGED MAN MAKES HISTORY - SOARS WITHIN TWO METERS OF CHRIST THE REDEEMER

Historic Flying Man Footage Captured as Brazilian Professional Athlete Luigi Cani Narrowly Escapes Tragedy over Corcovado Mountain

Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (April 26, 2007) / PRNewswire / -

Earlier today, residents of and visitors to Rio de Janeiro witnessed something never seen before, when Brazilian native and Go Fast! Sports and Beverage Company-sponsored athlete Luigi Cani soared under his own wings within two meters of Christ the Redeemer, atop Corcovado Mountain. Further etching this amazing spectacle into the minds of onlookers, Cani freefell at terminal velocity, skimmed the earth, and continued flight, uninjured.

"This was the most exhilarating flight I've ever experienced," explained Cani, who skimmed the bushes after flying past Christ the Redeemer. In spite of skimming, Cani maintained flight long enough to get to a location high enough above the ground to open his parachute. "It was almost miraculous," Cani said, "I truly felt a greater power was watching over me."

"I am hoping that the imagery captured during this flight will convey the sense of freedom, emotion and awareness of everything around you; especially when you only have control over certain elements in life." Cani continued.

It was Cani's calm, clear-headed and fast response that allowed him to continue flying and avoid fatal disaster after scraping the mountain.

This momentous flight took place less than two weeks after Brazil launched a campaign for Rio de Janeiro's iconic Christ the Redeemer statue to be named one of seven new wonders of the world, Cani hopes with his legendary flight to embody his country's vision, which believes that the outstretched arms of the statue represent a feeling of national pride.

After more than a year of planning this event, and with the help of his frequent BASE Jumping friend, Jeb Corliss, Cani was able to freefall past the statue, which stands 38 meters (125 feet) atop the 710 meter (2,330-foot) tall Corcovado Mountain in the Tijuca Forest National Park overlooking the city and its world renown beaches.

he 'scraped' the mountain in a wingsuit!?!? sick. just SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[explained Cani, who skimmed the bushes after flying past Christ the Redeemer.]

well he probably didn't hit the ground, only the bushes, but it's still incredible that he could sustained his flight.

as in, on purpose? (i figured he would not hit the ground)

it can't have been on purpose. would he want to touch the bushes in full flight? he probably tried to go very close, but not that close. is a wingsuit flight so controllable? if he had gone a foot or so further down, the bush could have made him spinning or make him loose control.

Jeb,

What suit were you flying?

C

i think its possible to control that well. but maybe im just delusional and have never been closer than 200' to the ground in a WS

the bushes can't have have had much resistance where he touched them?

if he just touched them for a second, then i bet it was fine. 'skimming' the bushes might produce a bit of resistance!

looks like jeb is in a s3 and Luigi is in a s3s or an s6. hard to tell which from the shots/vid

*edit - looks closer to a s6

if the bushes had slowed his flight, he couldn't have gained the required altitude for opening. an impact with bushes at such a high speed must be violent. so he probably only tuched them wiht his belly.
could they have easyly made him unstable in flight?

Jeb is jumping a Robi Pecnik S4 prototype. Luigi S6 can holder.

Thanks!

Coco

more @ gofast (pix & vid)
http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/gofast/27915/

Impressive and much props to Luigi and Jeb for this accomplishemnt.

One qustion though. There was an inflight video where it appeard that they "sank it in" not flying the suit until pretty close.

If this is true, why would they do that instead of setting up a tad back and fly vs sink the suit?

I have been there for another stunt some years before. What you guys did is awesome. CongratS.
take care,
space

Same reason you set up conservatively with a canopy -- because it's a lot easier to lose altitude in a wingsuit than it is to gain it.

Good job guys,

Just guessing but flying slightly dirty would give you the ability to climb relitive to you flight path. If you cut it close maxed out you have nothing left if you get low.

Greeny

 the visitors on the escalator got their own stuntshow...

did go fast installed also a historic kiosk on top to sell lemonade ??
what´s next ?? passing under the nose of the christ statue to feel even more holy energy ?

bravo to the pilots and flights.
hannes

so you two are interpreting this press release that he made physical contact with foliage?

my interpretation was bullshit, i guess. in the press article stood he skimmed the bushes and that means he flew really close to it, but he didn't touch it. i thought skimmed ment scratched... a dictionary helps

He made contact with the tree 100%. He had stains on his suit from the leaves brushing his body.

i kinda wish there was a toung-out smiley that didnt not have a winking eye.

but i agree, listening to the press's story of something like that should be taken smothered in Tabasco sauce, and a grain of salt.

Geez...

Now I can't help but ask... but is there video of this particular moment?

Yes there is...

But he is moving fast and the footage is taken from above. It is very hard to see from that angle. But you can see where he makes contact because his tail wing collapses a bit. We still have not gotten to see all the camera angles yet, we are hoping there is one that shows it better. All I know is I landed next to him and he was as white as a sheet. He then told me he hit a tree in free fall and I was like bullshit, you would be dead. He then showed me his wing-suit. There is no question he made contact...

Jeb Corliss

what canopy where you using. It look like instant opening

I was using a Flik a troll and a blackjack on this job :)

OK, it's clear Luigi didn't land a wingsuit, but can we at least give him credit for the first successful touch-and-go?

"Luigi N1432B, cleared for the option"

yeah!!!!!

Be careful out there. When flying like this, accidently finding yourself half a meter lower than planned is not cool, an I'd call it a total failure. I'm glad he survived.

Not saying this was the case here, but the idea that "flying slightly dirty would give you the ability to climb relitive to you flight path. If you cut it close maxed out you have nothing left if you get low. " is all wrong and must not be practiced when doing close flybys. This kind of flying has ended with close-calls several times and maybe at least one fatality (DW? not sure about this, I wasn't there, but a reliable(?!) rumor indicates that it might have been the case). In my opinion this kind of flying should only be done with lots of speed and on a steeper glide angle than you are capable of.

Anyway, looked like a whole lot of fun.

Glad I am not the only one to see this

ps. what's up with the "box-position" pull on the first flier? I know Luigi is a skygod and all, but seriously...

Since this is technically a skydive, i'd call a case for stupidity and luck

I saw the video and he didn"t hit the bush. Because it was near Christ Statue it was one of those talking bushes like in the holy book so the bush was moving on its own.

Yep, that made me do a double-take.

Can you explain what you mean to a noob? All I see is him collapse his wings and pull. Isn't that how it's normally done?

You are definitely not alone in that thinking, bro.

Normal freefall pull: Right arm goes back to BOC deployment handle at bottom of container; Left arm bends at elbow and forearm and goes out in front of head to maintain lift so jumper doesn't drop headdown. Left arm holds position as right arm throws pilot chute.

Wingsuit pull: Rule #1 is stay symmetrical! As right arm goes back to BOC deployment handle at bottom of container, left arm does exact same movement with left hand touching opposite side of container even though there is no handle there. Body arches back and legs bend at knees to bring head up. As right arm throws pilot chute, left arm makes exact same movement.

Luigi was flying a wingsuit, but he did the former. I've never seen that before, and I was surprised he could maintain stability during the pull.

Actually, Omar has been known to get kind of lazy sometimes He's certainly pulled moving only his right arm... quickly! However, he has many jumps on an Acro and was rather current (at least at the time! )

Personally I'm not that daft.

This used to be the way they deployed back in the day...

symmetry can be taken in 2 different dimension though,

if he is producing the same lift and drag on both sides, it should not matter if the movements are the same. he is better than us, right?

of course, you could just pull super duper fast...then it doesnt matter.

Stepping through the HD download I see him doing some radical asymmetrical adjustments, (especially with his legs), to stay stable. No thanks; I'll stick to staying symmetric.

pretty awesome video, but black suites makes it kind of hard to see red or orange or white would have made them stand out a little more against the ground

Don't know if it matters, but I'll share some thoughts regarding this event and the likes in general.

This is directed towards Jeb and Luigi in particular. Being the "gods" they are, even if they don't know how to take care of themselves, they do know it's up to them and them only to do so. But I feel a bit awkward when this kind of stuff is presented the way it is. Another discussion/flaming comes to mind. Maybe it was in order, I don't know. But I suspect it was. If for no other reason than the signalling effect. At least I will not project the idea that doing stunts that rely on anything but technique, training, planning and control, is cool at all. That's just me. I love to see radical flying being pulled of. But don't bother showing it until you have it dialed. (unless it has a carnage value)

We all make mistakes. We all make judgment calls that shouldn't have been made. And we learn. We also try to teach others from our mistakes, so the same ones don't have to be repeated over an over. One thing I don't think we should do when we have made a mistake is to a)pretend it as planned and therefore not a mistake b)brag about how rad it turned out to be c)flash it as a success when your survival was due to pure luck

I guess this can be very hard when the sponsor angel/demon is looking over your shoulder. But I for one would prefer not seeing unsuccessful stunts portrayed as "the coolest stunt ever".

I base my point of view on the "facts" that
1- Luigi hit a branch in freefall -> cannot have been planned, therefore a failure
2- "he was white as a sheet" -> he narrowly escaped death and he knew it. In my opinion luck is the only factor here, and there was a lot of it.
3- Seeing the uncontrolled pre-pull sequence tells me he was not in control (might have been due to being "white as a sheet")
(4)- In my opinion the video shows scary and dangerous flightpattern on Luigi's side, (and I'm not talking about the flyby itself) with less then full speed and good working range. I'd interpret this to be poorly planned and/or poorly executed. I'm open for a discussion as to how these flights should be made (technically).

If any or all of these "facts" are not correct, please enlighten me.

Of course there is a lot to be learned from unsuccessful events. So what about this one? Please share with us, Jeb and Luigi. I'm eager to learn all I can. Or maybe you disagree with everything I've said? If so I'd appreciate if you'd explain why.

throw a frisbee. it'll ocasionally drop a foot or two. see my point.

not really. if your life depended on it not dropping, would you call it anything but a failure if it did? even if you survived?
"occasionally" is not a phrase in the classic physics dictionary (we're not dealing with quantum physics here). So it's up to your performance. Me talking about "half a meter" earlier was a figure of speech. The point is that you have to set the margins as to what ocasionally happens. That's why we (some of us at least) don't jump underhung lowcliffs with nasty taluses on a regular basis ("occasionally" is a phrase in the BASE manual, appears before 180)

We can all make mistakes, but isn't it more productive to learn from them than to brag about them?
Were the margins wrong?
Did something out of the ordinary happen? In that case, what?
Unpredictable windy conditions?
Unpredicted suit performance (stiching, fabric, grippers...)?

All i know is, something or someone failed. Without analysing what it was, it will happen again. For sure. Especially if it is portrayed as "cool".

[Another thing to think about. If youre trying to fly close to an object. make sure you are flying so steep that you can easely lift far above the place if you feel that you are in a bad spot. As soon as you breake, stall or flattern out your suit you are lost.]

sorry if this quote doesn't fit here

BASE jumping is a self regulating activity where each individual does the risk analysis for each jump and determines how to manage the risks and if the risks are worth the rewards. Risk is objective, any BASE jumper can determine the risks for a jump. Reward is subjective, only the BASE jumper can determine the rewards for a jump. It would be interesting if the BASE jumpers would explain what they determined were the risks, how they managed the risks, and the rewards. However, BASE jumping is a self-regulating activity, and thus the BASE jumpers do not have to explain anything to anyone.

Edit: It would be more helpful reading an explanation from the BASE jumpers making the jump than from NickDG about the BASE jumpers and the jump.

Was this particular event a BASE jump?

No, this particular event was not a BASE jump. However, it had many of the risks of a BASE jump.

how does A lead to B... I disagree. A BASE jumper in theory is self regulating, but still answers to many.

As such it is incumbent on each of us to consider how our actions will effect other jumpers.

I think what Han Solo is trying to say is that he feels that the way the press is dealing with this close call is likely to have a negative impact on other jumpers, by encouraging other people to try similar things in an effort to "be cool."

In fairness, I don't know how much control Jeb and Luigi have over the press coverage, and what is being said by whom.

I have read this before but to what extent does it actually come into play?


I know what Han Solo is saying and I agree.




Did they consider their control over the press coverage and how it will effect other jumpers?

To the extent that each person chooses. You make your decisions, for yourself, based on what you want, and what you think. The extent to which you are concerned about your actions affecting others is entirely up to you.




I don't know. You could ask them, if you want.

>>than from NickDG about the BASE jumpers and the jump.<<

Okay, watch me climb out on this limb . . .

I haven't said anything in this thread, because it's not BASE jumping, but since you dragged me in.

I believe we are going to see this type of "proximity skydiving" explode in popularity. I think this for a couple of reasons. One is I'd bet every skydiver who flies a wing suit is looking at this and thinking, "Gee, that's pretty cool and something I could do." Maybe not to the extent Jeb's doing it, but in a more general way. And any DZ close to the right geographical features could offer proximity flights.

If you go along with that idea it brings up some real interesting coming attractions. Proximity flying is the missing link, the last piece of the puzzle, for skydiving with a wing suit. It's why flying a wing suit passed clouds or in flocks is more fun than just zipping along by yourself.

Proximity flying, it can be said, started on the BASE side of the house. What did all early BASE jumpers say when asked what the main difference was between BASE and skydiving? They said it was "flying close to the object," and in those days they meant having a building or tower whipping by close behind them. The next step, and probably the first actual proximity flying was done under canopy at places like Half Dome in Yosemite. In the late 1980s jumpers were doing canopy "touch and goes" on rock outcroppings there on the way to the LZ. Patrick de Gayardon was doing proximity flying in the mountains with a wing suit in the early 90s but he was too far ahead of his time.

Now here's where it's going to get interesting. How long can it be before some skydiver puts two and two together. BASE jumping, in its almost 30 year history, has blown major holes in a forever held skydiving tenant. You must initiate deployment at 2000-feet. Sooner or later some wing suit skydiver is going to show up on a U.S. DZ with a TSO'd German BASE rig and ask why not? A hapless USPA will only be able to fall back on saying, "because we said so that's why." And it would be the beginning of a major revolt and the first big sea change on the DZ since playing hacky sack went away.

In the broader sense wing suit terminal at 500-feet (and lower) is proximity flying too. There's even a silver lining to it. Its possible bringing back low-aspect ratio canopies to the DZ would put a dent in the low turn death machines in use now. Yeah, okay I hear you. Sure, there would be a steep learning curve for skydivers and lives would be lost. But skydivers would get the hang of it sooner or later just like BASE jumpers did. And when you figure in big open DZs and no hard object right behind them, it's probably safer to open low at the DZ than it is on most BASE jumps.

The next step in the revolt is skydivers finally realizing they need a reserve because they have a reserve. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but we learned long ago simple is more reliable and it's a well proven concept. Is it possible we could actually make the case that because the FAA mandates "two parachutes" the resulting Rube Goldberg rig is a reason so many people are killed?

It's a funny thing about the course of our lives, the serendipity of winding up somewhere entirely different from where you thought you were heading. There was plenty of fixed object jumping before Carl Boenish came along and popularized the sport of BASE. It's why we call him the father of BASE and not the inventor of fixed object jumping. In the same way, I can see Jeb becoming the "father" of "proxy-flight."

But, hey Jeb, you just need to come up with a better name for it . . .

NickD
BASE 194

an idea with an unexpected consequeces is also known as generative idea.

proximity flying is a great new exciting sport and i haven't felt this way since i saw my first base jump on tv (from angel falls) which inspired me to make my first base jump from a 600 foot cliff back in 1992.

I like, I like alot ...I'm just a beginner now but this is the stuff that interests and motivates me.


Hopefully sooner than later ... http://www.dropzone.com/...o=ASC;mh=25;#2787516

Actually, with the right terrain you can fly well under 2000' above the terrain, but then make it back above 2000' agl for deployment.

And that's really going to start people scratching their heads. Why would it be legal to be under 2000' in freefall?

I think the real thing that will make a sea change is the fact that skydivers can now "gain" altitude (relative to the ground), by simply flying to places where the ground is "lower."

I know at least one US DZ that is located adjacent to a mountain high enough that you could proximity swoop the slopes, then fly off and deploy at USPA approved altitudes. I can't even say for sure it hasn't already been done theree.

Dang, I guess i am still too conservative, I guess the new age term for my type of jumping would be "Anti proxy". I try to fly and open as far away from the object, planet and problems as possible all at the same time. I am somewhat succesful as I am making the LZ at ITW with an extra 150m under canopy with my new tracking suit and technique. I really like flying to the point where everything is farthest away.
Take care,
space

Everything I do and everything I have done over the last 4 years has been heading to one thing, the landing. We have just made monster breakthroughs both in bringing costs down and in getting additional funding :) Every barrier that has been standing in my way is being crushed. The landing is coming :) All you have to do is sit back and watch. Because it will be here very soon...

Jeb Corliss

It would be interesting if you would explain what you two determined were the risks, how you two managed the risks, and what you two determined were the rewards on this jump. The reason I ask is that this was a higher profile jump and higher profile jumps effect the whole community. Given the religious status of the statute I was also wondering if it played any role in the reward (if this is to personal I apologize).

PS: Good luck on your landing ...

Han-Solo,

You seem very quick to say they failed?
Where is your problem?
Is it Jeb, Luigi & the publicity?
or is it the jump and the way 'YOU SEE IT' went?

You refer to the other ‘Jeb flaming thread’, it just makes you sound like your problem is jealousy??

I say let them decide if they succeeded or not
.
Yes every jump has some thing we can learn from, but from looking at the video.

My take is:

They jumped, one or more of the flew under the arm & they both lived.

Sound successful to me.

I know from climbing if we climb, we retch the top and we bring every one home we had a successful trip.

At least they are out there doing what they want, doing it their way
Isn’t that what BASE is all about

(and no I don’t care if they got out of a helicopter, or weather it was actually a BASE jump or not, so what)

All sounds a little too much like BASE politics to me.

It scares me that we have so many sheep even in BASE!

Greeny

Spot on. But it's not only the press. It's probably even more how the community (in this case that would be the "proxy-comunity") responds to this stuff.

Example: if you're a snowboarder doing a 1260-rodeo-stalefish-to-fakie and don't stick it, is that "cool"? Even if the sponsors get their airshots, I doubt you will be on the cover of snowboarders magazine.

My reference was not to a "Jeb flaming thread" (maybe if you'd take a look at it you'd notice). It was a thread starting out as "look-at-this-it-is-so-cool" until a certain mister on holiday pointed out that maybe it wasn't cool at all since it appeared to lack the element of control. It had nothing to do with Jeb at all. And that is another part of my point. If we flame "up-and-comers" for showing off before they got it nailed, we have to have the same standards for the "gods". Actually it is ten times as important, since they are the ones in the limelight. (but of course i'm jealous, who isn't)

Anyway. this is not about flaming anyone. It's about defining what we as a community appreciate when it comes to people flashing their "look at me" videos. It's about what flies and what doesn't. And to me it definitely doesn't fly when it relies on luck. But when it does fly, I apreciate it a lot. For instance I have enormous respect for the achievements of Jeb and Luigi and the stuff they have done. But that doesn't mean I will let it pass when I feel it shouldn't.

The sheep scare me too. But I guess to me the sheep are the ones that approve of uncontrolled stunts, just because they are performed by "gods".

So what if it was 100% sure that he "skimmed" one of the people beneath the statue?

Sorry if I jumped to conclusions over your link
I read your post, but didn’t see the link.

But that is where my apology stops……………………

I don't worship them as GODS as you put it

but I do approve of people taking opportunities when they are offered
Sometimes we are fully prepared and can pull it off with ease
Sometimes we are not but are given a choice jump it now or you will never jump it
At this point we have to make a decision, go or no go!
If we waited until we were always fully prepared we would never step off the edge

I also see a big difference between Jeb and Luigi’s jumps and the shit on U-Tube

I don’t like BASE posts on U-Tube but then I don’t like any posts on U-Tube
Its all a little too much look at me for my liking.

But, Jeb and Luigi are sponsored by Go fast
They are paid to advertise a drink
The footage they produce creates the publicity that achieves the media attention Go fast want.

Just like the Red Bull guys do

To do that they are given assets and access we can only dream of being able to afford

If someone had offered me a place on the load I would have jumped at it
Would I have cared if I was the best man for the job? No!
Would I have cared if I was good enough in YOUR opinion? No!

It is always very easy to stand on the side lines and pick fault with the guy who steps up to the plate to be tested.

With reference to the post you linked to:

People were Proximity flying as you call it way before sub-terminal was released
They were doing it before Rob miss judged the ledge in Norway

When the guy in the videos goes in you will earn the right to stand over his grave and say I told you so, but until then he has the right to do things his way. Just as you have the right to jump things your way.

Non skydivers don’t understand why skydivers jump
Skydivers don’t understand why BASE jumpers jump BASE
Some BASE jumpers seem to have a problem understanding why other are happy to push the limits that bit further.

One thing I do like about Jeb is he doen't give a fuck what we all think

Greeny

greeny,
It looks to me that you attacking Hans w something he never said or write.
I disagree w many things here, especially w this :''One thing I do like about Jeb is he doen't give a fuck what we all think''

He is way to smart boy to be as you think he is. He care a lot about what some people saying, and believe me that what Hans wrote here was well received by Jeb.

Regarding Luigi ( I do not know him personally ) I can only say that he for sure know that he did a mistake. He is aware that he was so close to die that he will think twice before he make next similar jump.
They both know what was wrong / good and both knows what to improve.

Hans was saying that in general flyers need to be aware what they touching when they even think to play w terrain or proximity flying.

Believe me Hans knows what he saying.
Such type of flying need full understanding of all elements related to WS . Also, requires many BASE jumps w nice terrain to play with.

PS Rob's death is not in any relation w proximity flying..

Two thoughts:

1) Being sponsored by someone, or doing things for money, makes them no better or worse, from the standpoint of safety or ethics, than anything else. It makes no difference to me if they were sponsored by Allah himself, or if they ponied up the cash out of their own pockets. The standards to judge the jump (and the publicity, and the jumpers, etc) by are the same in either case.

2) If memory serves, Han-Solo is also a sponsored wingsuit flyer, so perhaps he has a certain amount of insight into those sorts of mechanics and politics that is a bit more in depth than others.





Some of the footage on Superterminal was several years old before it was put on that DVD.




You also have a right to state your opinions before then. Some might say that you have an obligation to do so, if stating them might help him not go in, or help others not to do so.

Robi,

My attack on Han solo isn't ment to be personal
I don't claim to know him or his ability

My problem is as much as anything with all the general politics that is curently in BASE.

but please explain one thing

[PS Rob's death is not in any relation w proximity flying..]

Greeny

there is no politics in Hans observation Greeny!
People like to play like super rebels and BASE jumpers - out and free from law. Hey those days are over.
Even Douggs ended up on court!!! ha, haa...
All what is hans sawing is : think people think what and how to do it in order to avoid death. That is the message.

Do we think about the same Rob?!

Guys,

Too much gets miss interprited both ways here. I am down and digging. If we talked face to face i'm sure we would all have less problem with each other.

I am out of here:

Greeny

sometimes it felt like you and Han were not quite discussing the same thing. you did not place the same emphasis on the same key points. it seems to commonly lead to mis-understandings...

but you both made some interesting points.

I for one think that is an excellent use of this forum.

thank you for giving me something to think about!

I have noticed all these post say Luigi and Jeb :) I just wanted to clarify I did exactly what I was trying to do and I repeated it 4 times. I made no mistakes and new exactly what I was doing.

As for Luigi, this project could not have happened and would not have happened had it not been for him. The amount of work he put into this project goes beyond comprehension. I have never seen a person work harder for something in my life. He trained his ass off for months before this project getting ready and he did an amazing job. I have nothing but the highest level of respect for this man.

As for his close call, they happen. They happen to anyone who pushes their limits to the absolute edge. They happen to every base jumper at one point or another in their jumping. For some of us that is what this is all about. Pushing the limits of what people believe possible. Luigi knows what happened and has learned from it.

As Dwaine use to say, you start out in life with two jars. A luck jar and an experience jar. When ever you do something dangerous you take one piece out of your luck jar and put it in your experience jar. Eventually you will run out of luck and all you will have to keep you alive is your experience. Luigi has just used a big chunk of his luck jar but he has gained a huge piece of experience that I am sure he will never forget.

I am proud of him, imagine watching yourself go in and then tell me if you would not freeze up. He kept flying where others would have just kissed their ass goodbye...

Jeb

I know a couple of accomplished BASE wingsuit pilots, from my experience of watching them they never fly to 100% of their ability when pushing the limits. Apparently it is the 10% that they hold back that prevents them from smearing themself across an object or into the ground at line-stretch. Sure you can push the limits of your own envelope gradually and build on your experience but it would appear that this guy is putting himself in over his head. What was his BASE wingsuit experience before this stunt? That motorcycle jump?

I know he is a friend of yours and a co-sponsored athlete and all but maybe you should explain to him that the longer you live the longer you get to play.

I totally agree with you Jeb on everything except this last statement. I think that looking for the best option to avoig oing in is a trait most BASE jumpers have though all should have.

then it's worth it

I will try to clarify.

Many people are amazed and inspired by what they do. I am one of them. Maybe you're not. Did you notice the " "?


Agree


I don't really see the big difference. The reasons may vary, but the result are the same. Of course different media has different audiences, so that must be taken into consideration. Something might be OK at a friend’s party but not on national TV. But most of the time we're somewhere in between


Exactly, and that puts the pressure and responsibility on them to fight the corporate/commercial demand. Probably very difficult, but in my opinion it goes with the job. In this case this is the only area where I argue they should have acted differently.


I totally agree. Actually I think all practicing basejumpers feel this way and in a way every jump is in part this statement.


I know. I'm not claiming any authority here at all. In a way I feel more like throwing rocks in a greenhouse (sorry, couldn't help it), as I can imagine some people might have been inspired by it. Actually there was some discussion on whether or not it was "responsible" to release. The conclusion was that as long it showed controlled jumps that we were not embarrassed by, it was OK. Some of the stuff in the extras section does not fit under that phrase. But there's the carnage-value...


No I won't. Unless he's being whacked by some guy that's sick of seeing hairy jump on the internet. Apparently I'm "telling" him something else than you think I am.


Some may argue that "proximity-flying" starts when full flight is achieved. Rob hit the ground because the rockdrop was too low and the talus wasn't steep enough.


Not exactly true. Having done five ws jumps in suit I didn't pay for doesn't give me any insight. Maybe if I had I would understand the pressure to release "carnage footage" on the internet better.


Sorry to hear, cause I think this is kind of valuable.


Didn't have the heart to drag him down all alone. Some really nice flying there by the way.
My point is how it is presented, and I perceive you as being a part of that.


Maybe (I think many would have acted pretty much the way he did, as there is not much else you can do), but I don't think it deserves a round of applause. And the idea that he made it due to his "calm, clear-headed and fast response" is a bit out there.

Ralph...in response to the following quote...

>People were Proximity flying as you call it way before sub-terminal was released
They were doing it before Rob miss judged the ledge in Norway>

I'm pretty sure you're talking about Rob Tompkins...and knowing intimately the circumstances surrounding his final jump...all I have to say is: The only thing Rob Tompkins was flying proximal to was his EGO before he POUNDED into the talus.

In 2003, Rob and I both had a summer of proximal flying from the cliffs of Norway...along with Espon, Bjorn Magna, Paul Fortune, Jeb Corliss, Yuri Kuznetsov, etc. Proximal flying has been around...it just keeps getting more and more advanced with skill and equipment improvements.

Luigi killed it on the Christ jump! If only DW would have kept flying after touching the rail at Royal Gorge...

JJ

and the idea that he made it due to his "calm, clear-headed and fast response" is a bit out there.
-----------------------------------------------------------
what do you means it is bit out there, he has not been wingsuit that long but he has been in the sport for long time he knows how to fly he know his canopy, hell of longer than 5year like you. remember one thing it only take one mistake no mater who you are. if the jump went smooth you all be like that was great, one thing go wrong you all are like sharks. lets all just make some jump and enjoy life.

I'd agree, if they had NOT released video.

the release of the video draws attention to ALL of us. it thus impacts ALL of us. (it is hard to pass or enforce laws against an activity of which you are unaware...)

this discussion is how we use "peer pressure" as a form of "self-regulation."

Are you familiar with the respective proximity flying experiences of the jumper under discussion and the jumper you are responding to?

just like robi say han shoud be really good wingsuite flyer. do hans know any thing abut luig ?

Hard to keep flying without your legs.

Sloppy flying plus tree grazing plus poor opening technique equals total clusterfuck in my opinion. The coolest thing about this stunt is the motherfucker who fell on his ass at the top of the escalator during one of the fly-bys.

Like Robi said (and I said in the wingsuit forum): if you want to have maximum power and range as you pass an object then you need to dive down to it and flatten out as you approach it from the rear. Sinking down to an object is assinine.

Flame on, Cherries.

thanks for stepping in SM1!

I'm pretty sure you're talking about Rob Tompkins...and knowing intimately the circumstances surrounding his final jump...all I have to say is: The only thing Rob Tompkins was flying proximal to was his EGO before he POUNDED into the talus.

speaking ill of the dead, or anyone for that matter = bad karma
sucks to femur in ground launching eh

When did this degenerate into a "Huh.., so how many jumps have you got.."-thread?

I thought it was about what we think is cool to watch online and what is not (regarding snittflyging in this case). Through setting a standard to what is appreciated, we might inspire people to achieve control before recklessness.

The leap into modern proximity ws-flying was done by Jean-Loic Albert a couple of years ago. To discuss others influence on proximity flying without mentioning him is strange. He is the reference to all proximity flying in Norway. But it should be mentioned that he is almost doing another sport compared to, VKB, Jeb, Luigi and the rest of the basejumping community. If you want to see the future of what is actually possible to do with a WS(with perfect control), you should look to France. When Loic has done something, you do not discuss it, you just try and learn.