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New Bang stick is in. Bad news is the 50 cal barral was not ready in time. Jease you'd think 8 months would be enough lead time. They had to ship it with a 457. It's a slightly longer version of a 45-70. The brass is thicker and allows it to be loaded hotter. It will be a lot nicer to jump with.

Lee

Sweeeeeet! Anything that flies or goes BOOM!

 

in baffin island the security guards wear thick white fur coats that are impenetrable to lesser-powered weapons...

Is this the type of guard you want to mess with?

.....more dates or an url please.

 
They are pricey. They are Slow. But they do good work.

http://www.wildwestguns.com/CoPilot_And_Guide_Rifles/body_copilot_and_guide_rifles.html

Lee

So is it a rifle or a shotgun?

I'm completely clueless when it comes to guns, I'm Australian!

Rifle. To the best of my knowledge I don't think I have ever seen a lever action shotgun.

 
Not a silly question. There are in fact lever action shot guns. Or there were at one time.

http://iacshotguns.com/87w.html

This is a Rifle. It's built off a Marlin. An 1895xlr to be specefic. That's a dime by the muzel. It's 45 cal. chambered in 457 see link. Not the most powerful cartrage around but it's a take down and cheeper then some of the bolt action take down that were out there. The 50 alaskan has a good bit more ass but it wasn't going to be ready in time.

Lee

Thanks

I saw the lever and thought "Didn't Arnie have a lever action shotgun in T2 when he was riding his bike shooting the locks on the fences open?".... And that's the extent of my firearm knowledge, movies and video games.

Lever Action Shotgun.

For those like Tyrion, from the gunless parts of the world, windy days in Twin Falls offers a tour of Sportsman's Warehouse, just a few steps from the bridge, where you can see hundreds of firearms.

Tyrion, you can tell the difference between rifles and shotguns in casual conversation because shotguns are generally described as "gauge" (which refers to the diameter of the barrel), like a "12 gauge shotgun," whereas rifles are generally designated in inches or millimeters (like Lee's .50 or .45 caliber, which indicates a barrel measuring .5 or .45 inches in diameter).

If you want an incredibly detailed lecture on firearms, firearms terminology, or especially firearm politics, try PMing JohnRich.

Thanks, will have to stop by when I visit TF in the future. I'm not particularly interested in guns, I just don't like not knowing things, so I read/ask until I know.

Shouldn't be Cassul enough?

 
For all practical perpouses the are no hand guns in Canada. Actualy it's all our fault here in the US. Remember we shipped most of our pinko hippy passafist north of the boarder back in the 60's. The have been breading and multipling up there. Now their spawn have taken over the goverment.

Lee

and now they're invading...

ouch lee, ouch.
i'm just an immigrant there... which means i get *free* healthcare! wahooo!!!!!

JohnRich is pro-gun? I never would have guessed.

with you all the way perk. damn the man and take his money!

Hmmmm, I guess the ones I have must be a halucination!?
Some facts from the US gov't......

There are an estimated 7.4 million firearms in Canada(NFA estimates 15 million), about 1.2 million of which are restricted firearms (mostly handguns). In the U.S., there are approximately 222 million firearms; 76 million of the firearms in circulation are handguns.
For 1987-96, on average, 65% of homicides in the U.S. involved firearms, compared to 32% for Canada
For 1987-96, the average firearm homicide rate was 5.7 per 100,000 in the U.S., compared to 0.7 per 100,000 for Canada.
For 1989-95, the average handgun homicide rate was 4.8 per 100,000 in the U.S., compared to 0.3 per 100,000 for Canada. Handguns were involved in more than half (52%) of the homicides in the U.S., compared to 14% in Canada.
For 1989-95, the average non-firearm homicide rate was 3.1 per 100,000 people in the U.S., compared to 1.6 per 100,000 for Canada.

Not packing handguns around doesn't mean we don't have them. We just don't have as many. Handgun registration has been in effect in this country since 1934. I like guns, I own guns but I am perfectly ok with not being able to pack a Glock around.

I would have to check but one used to be able to pack a pistol in areas such as Baffin and the far north for protection from bears and angry Muskox. My dad worked up above the arctic circle for awhile back in the day and packed a .44 with the blessings of the RCMP.

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What's this got to do with basejumping?
Just try to find a gun forum on the internet.

BASE jumping in Baffin Island requires that teams in that area carry sufficient firepower to kill agressive Polar bear.

Lee and I are both taking trips up there this year.

Nice rifle Lee...I had never heard of a .457...just a .45-70.

I'm assuming you want a super hot load behind what, a 540ish grain bullet?!?

Holy makerel, that's a big bullet...

 
The standard minemum equipment list for a trip like this is a little diffrent from normal jumps. It incudes things like:
Crampons
ice axe
liquid fuel stove
bivi gear
rope
bolt kit
and a jumpable gun with some ass.

This is a base thread. I've had conversations with Chad and others over the years about how to jump gear down and this is one of the larger hurdles.
Restricted fire arms, I think that what they call it, are a pain. There are a few reasons why they will let an American bring a hand gun in. An established compatention, etc. Very restrictive. Where will it be stored, what route will it take, etc. Big hassle. There is no way they would just let you wonder around with a good hand canon. A manual gun like that lever action is relatively easy to get in if you are headed up to the wilds. There are provisions spicificly for that.
The statistics he is quoteing make my point for me. If I need to kill some one. I want my gun with me. It's much safer to cap some one with a gun then to get close enough to use a knife. Those numbers simple show that you do not have an adaquite number of fire arms in your country and that they are not easly enough accessable. Go to our web site and look at the humorous T-shirts. I think you'll get my point.

Lee

Well I don't jump by my buddy does and I love to go watch. Anyways I have been searching for the right gun for wilderness protection out west in the rockies. So i have been asking all the gun guys I know and posting on gun forums and that Marlin 1895 Guide Series is what I am everyone said would be the best, so I am picking one up next week. But I only found it in 450 marlin, 45-70, and .444 . I havn't seen it available in .457 . Did you special order it?

The only other option I have seen is getting a 12 gauge and use slugs but shotguns don't break down as easy as that marlin will. But you might think about looking at a Mossberg 500 JIC Cruiser (Just in Case).
http://www.brianneely.com/...s/armory/Cruiser.jpg
It is basically a pump action 12 gauge with only a pistol grip and no stock. Assembled it is 28 inches (only 8 inches longer than the marlin disassembled) but you could jump with that assembled and not have to mess with it when you land. The 12 gauge with high power slugs would be just as effective at 75 yards or less as the marlin. Plus 12 gauge can have so many other uses. You can get like flares and alot of other stuff for them. But then again I don't know if shotguns without stocks are even legal in canada, probably not because they are short and black and evil.

Anyways I don't wanna say that the marlin is a bad choice because thats what I am getting and it will work quite well, but you might wanna look into that shotgun, its about $300 and nice to have either way. I just wanted to shair the research I have been doing on a wilderness gun with you, Hope your trip goes well.

 
A shot gun is a really good choice. Nothing is more versitile. pistol grip and folding stock shot guns are legal in Canada. act what I have caried in the past. Canada is in some cases more rational about these things then the US. They have a baral length requirement of 18.5 in. and an over all length requirement if it is fireable. A take down shot gun is ok becouse it can no be fired. I think any thing with a folding stock would meet the requirement. There are some good hot loaded big game slugs that do ok. Ordenary slugs suck. They do not penatrate well enough. I've done some research as well. I wanted something with a lot of power and I wanted something better then a shot gun slug. I wanted a good jacketed bullet that would punch through bone and get deep. An expander that would mushroom with out breaking up and loseing mass. That's a tall order for just a chunk of lead which is all a slug is. Most slugs lack the sectional density to punch deep. The 50 Alaskan fires a 450 gr bullet. It's as heavy as a ordinary slug. It moves at over 2000 ft/sec and it's a good dense soft point bullet with a heavy jacket. That was what I wanted.
Marlin builds good guns. This one is a custom rebuild from Alaska, see link in earlier post. The 457 is their baby. It's just a step above a wildcat. Starline builds brass. There are a couple of people selling loaded ammo. Unless you want to get a big thumper in 50 Alaskan, you don't need that, then get a gun in 45/70 or 450 marlin. There is good hot 45/70+p out there that you can get off the shelf. Don't bother with the old pussy stuff. 45/70 gov. was a black pouder round originaly and is low presure. 450 is nice but in the end it isn't any better then hot 45/70. In the end it's just more exspencive and harder to find. The brass in nicer and I think tougher. There is actualy a bit less case volume. By the way now that I have my gun Marlin has anounced that they are going to start selling the same take down rifle for 1/3 the price. Such is life. I recamend you call Wild West Guns in Alaska and get one of his trigers. The ejector and big lever are also worth the money.

Oh, and magnaporting is so worth it. I have one in 450 Marlin. The new one is ported. It really stops the muzzel rise. I was sighting it in on a bench rest. The diffrence was obveous. The new one is neutral. The old one would jump up out of the rest with out the second hand to hold it down.

Lee