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Has anyone ever gone it at the perrine with aboslutely nothing out and lived? I heard a wild story involving new body armor that saved the guys life. I call BS but wanted to ask people who dont have their head full of un accounted for miracles what really happened.

thanks

Nice opener . . .

NickD
BASE 194

My body armor is a parachute.

You're probably thinking of this incident
http://www.dropzone.com/...ew_flat;post=2248776

He had something out.

Last memorial day weekend a guy hit the water with barely a streamer over his head. I believe he was walking around like a week later. Full body armor, full luck bucket too. 1/1,000,000.
~J

I presume this is meant tongue in cheek? Armor saves lives. It saddens me to see so many BASE jumpers still jumping in t-shirts with shitty skydiving helmets.

Body armor, a full-face helmet and a vented canopy ought to be considered an obvious thing for anybody jumping slider-down solid objects.


As far as I've been told by eye-witnesses and the jumper himself, he didn't really have anything out beyond his pilotchute. For all intents and purposes, he hit as hard as he would have without a parachute.


That's a bit of an overstatement. By all means his recovery was faster than anybody expected, but as far as I know it took several weeks before he got out of bed.

Eye witness report: He had a canopy dragging behind him. It was a high speed streamer, and the impact was tremendous. Not as loud a impact as the guy who went in with nothing, but very loud.

Survival with nothing out is possible, just like getting hit by an 18 wheeler at 85 mph is possible, but in 10000 tries, you would not make it.

Cya

 
I watched both from the landing area. The canopy dragging amounted to about half a cell inflating occasionally.

I recall both impacts being just as loud and hard, the crucial difference being that the half cell produced just enough drag to keep his body at a steep angle for feet first entry.

It appears that he rolled through the canopy as it deployed, so that the bridle attachment point was trapped somewhere near his body. The canopy looked more like a flag than a parachute. Time top to bottom was 6.0 seconds, only a little longer than freefall time.

I'm a big fan of body armour, and I think it certainly played a part in Jason's surviving the incident, but as Jamie said, this was one in a million. In my opinion there are plenty of other, more tangible, reasons to wear body armour.


I think Jason described it thus: The injuries he sustained were extremely life threatening, but it turns out that if you survive them, "recovery" is relatively fast. As with many major injuries, the initial recovery was astoundingly fast, but closing the last 10% takes a very long time. Jason will always have slightly limited mobility in his shoulders due to the spinal fusion, but it's not something you'd notice if you saw him.

I suppose I'd say his recovery was surprisingly quick, but you have to bear in mind that initially there was little doubt in anyone's mind that he was dead, so it wasn't too hard to surprise.

Michael

soooo true....

Water and living ?
What about the guy who Cratered-In the Talus with a daisy chained streamer that one year when we were at Moab ? Was at least 350' jump. Went-In. In the dirt and lived and was walking on crutches 3 days latter. The Idiot looked like death warmed over when we all saw him.
Odds of that ever happening again are like a big fat, 0
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That'd be Nate B. I remember seeing him when they loaded him onto the helicopter, and he looked like bloody death, only not warmed over. I couldn't believe my eyes when he was back at the hotel limping around 2 days later, with not a single broken bone.

I think he got really, really lucky in that he hit a fairly loose, sloping bit of scree, that slid away under him and dissipated some of the energy.

Comparing the two, I'd say that they had about the same amount of canopy out (meaning, almost none) when they impacted.

Street Divers. Nathan needed a rig to get on a last minute load, so Tim grabbed a rig out of the van and handed it to him. Since it was packed up all pretty, no one thought of doing a gear check. That rig had been sitting since Bridge Day when Roger used it, then daisy chained it and closed it with velcro, pilot chute and all. Roger was not available for comment, he was already dead. Fly free Roger.

A couple years before that Grimace jumped a daisy chain into the New River.

eye witness and personal video review: I agree with tree, my2cents, luke and crwper.

The view of the impact and the reverberating sound that was made upon impact was one that made you almost sure he was gone.

Ever notice that there is a similarity on the sound the human body makes when it hits the Earth at a high rate of speed?

At any rate, be it luck, skill, whatever... I am happy he is alive, there was this indescribable happiness that overcame me when I learned 30min later that he was alive.

If you've heard / seen one, a high speed fatal / near fatal water impact makes a sound that haunts you in nightmares.

The way I understand it. He was just laying there in a crumpled pile. Everyone just assumed he was Dead for at least 20 minutes he laid there. Nobody was in a big hurry to do anything he was 'Just Dead'. Then someone saw him twitch. Nobody ever thought anyone would survive such a fall. So no one bothered actually taking a pulse to make sure he was dead.

This is a vid of my friend DX with almost nothing out over hard land (sand). He was injured pretty bad but he lived.

Hi Ray. I know you are just recalling a story. But I'd like to clear some of it up. I have a very good recollection of what happenned that day. I was there from start to finish. And while there was a dozen+ people on top of the cliff that day, I'm fairy confident that only B.K. from Team Bodybag, myself, and maybe a few others saw that jump in it's entirety. Most everyone else looked over the edge after hearing our "Oh Shit" comments after the pilot-chute was pitched.

We did think the jumper as dead. But no one could get to him quickly. He was laying on a very steep talus slope. The nearest place to land was at least a 10 to 15 minute scramble away. Everyone was formulating a plan when the jumper twitched. As soon as we saw that, a doctor on the load jumped, landed in the closest safe landing area, and made it to the jumper as fast as he could. And the rest of us began mobilizing for a rescue.

I'd love to tell the whole story, but I'm not in a good position to do so right now due to lack of time.

C-ya!
Bryan

if its the doc i think of he has made his duty there a few times..
Hats off and glad that a person actualy jump to get down there(dont get it wrong as i do understand thouse who wont jump)

All I have to say is all these people survived with something out. A streamer canopy is 100x better than a no throw. So the story from everyones perspective is quite a bit different. Goes from nothing but a PC to a streamer to a streamer with one cell opening periodically, its all in the eye of the beholder right.

Till I see it with my own eyes Ill just pick somewhere in the middle and its probably pretty close to what actually happened.

Sure the guy who went it would probably like to say he is a super hero and went in with just a PC out but I doubt that is true. Either way it sounds like the guy survived a malfunctioning canopy and that was what I needed to know to win the arguement. And I get to use my favorite words; "I told you so jackass".

Ah, Nathan's daisy chained jump. I never get tired of telling this story.

It was February 2000 in Moab and anyone else would've gone home in a bodybag. He had *maybe* two inflated cells and was spiraling into the steep, soft talus. He barely missed a few boulders, but did manage to crack his helmet on one. I have some video of the daisy chained portion of the canopy (the tailpocket was still sealing the lines when we inspected it). Scary indeed. Lee Werling (RIP) was the first one to get to him. He was very bruised and had a head laceration, but he was walking around in Moab the next day. He posts here at dz.com every now and then.

only jackass i see is you start posting like this..

Its a fact that people has survived falling out from airplanes whith no parachute and survive..
Does that mean you should do it?
People has survived BASEjumping the same or a bit more does that mean you should do it?

No one said they were heros,but i said you were a jackass..
Go figure your self..

 Faber you have been around long enough to know there is always more truth to a story by the time it gets to the 8th person.

Show me proof that someone has fallen from a commercial jet liner and lived. If you really believe it I think your calling the kettle black.

Many stories like these are told at DZ's and I felt they were always a joke for the gullible idiots who question nothing. Could you be one of those individuals? I have some land in hawaii if your interested. Cheap too.

There was some speculation that the body armor may have contributed to the incident.

Take care,
space

and your the 8th person who put words into people mouths?
I still dont recon any injuryed calling themself heros or look at them self as so..

as i recon i didnt said neither commercial or jet anywere were did you get that from?
Again are you that 8th person?

Try read your history. Im not saying that this happens all the time or that people has walked away from were they landed..

If i am im happy to say that im not aware of itIf i figure out ill upgrade you and let you know as person #7

sure is but not from your hand no matter the price,just keep it

One of my students tripped and fell out of the door on the runway is that what your talking about, does that count she lived too.

I am having a hard time following your broken english faber but what I think you said is "I like to argue points with zero proof and back it up with garbled english that is hard to follow?"


I asked so I was not the 8th person, instead of just knowing everything I decided to ask people who actually were there or have seen proof. By the way I saw a guy do 25 gainers off the perrine. Would you believe it or like to see actual video proof?

My .02

ohh here we go again..
have fun,go play your self or what ever...

Its go play with yourself. English 101

Tom,

Didn't you have a similar talus impact? How mch of a canopy did you have out? What were your injuries?

Tony

Is the above a complete sentence?

How is your broken Flemish?

JAT stewardess Vesna Vulović survived a fall of over 10,000 meters on January 26, 1972 when she was thrown from JAT Flight 364 by an terrorist bomb. She broke several bones and was in a coma for 27 days.

In World War II there were several reports of aircrew surviving long falls; Nick Alkemade, Alan Magee, and I.M. Chisov all fell at least 6,000 meters and survived.

One incident of history I remember hearing about many years ago was about a russian who had to exit a plane without a parachute (I think it was on fire) at something like 20,000 feet and impacted a steep snow covered slope and lived. I'm sure you can find the story online somewhere. HydroGuy may have mentioned the same guy.

If a guy impacts at high speed, gets up, dusts himself off, and walks away, then he's a god or one absurdly lucky mortal.

If a guy impacts at high speed, is immediately attended to by level-headed friends, is transported and treated by highly skilled professionals, and is walking weeks or months later, then you should look to those other folks -- the friends and the doctors -- if you want to find hero material.

Thanks again to everybody who did what had to be done when I got myself into trouble. That really can't be said enough.

I find it comical that a guy with (supossedly, as I haven't seen the video) 3900 skydives, and 490 BASE jumps (as per your profile) would finally sign up to DZ.com(feb 21 07) and make such jackass posts... all 5 of them. Giving Faber shit for his bad english? (that's sooo 2004.)Have you made all 490 BASE jumps in your backyard? you've never heard these stories?
~J
atleast "BASEjumper" registered feb 20 07 has some info.

Shouldn't it be it's?

I saw a jumper impact at 6.0 seconds at the Perrine and live. No body armour. Life flight though.

I am sorry to be the one to say this. You call BS. WTF? Why are you asking a question such as this when it is obvious that you will/did call BS on anyone who will answer it. You have your mind made up. Quit wasting our time.

From your posts

a. “and that was what I needed to know to win the arguement. And I get to use my favorite words; "I told you so jackass"”.

b. “Show me proof that someone has fallen from a commercial jet liner and lived. If you really believe it I think your calling the kettle black.
Many stories like these are told at DZ's and I felt they were always a joke for the gullible idiots who question nothing. Could you be one of those individuals? I have some land in hawaii if your interested. Cheap too.”.
c. “what I think you said is "I like to argue points with zero proof and back it up with garbled english that is hard to follow?"”

Sorry again, but this is a typical response from someone who can’t deal with being mistaken. You attack the responder and their grammar or spelling.

Where the hell have you been?
Why have you not done research to prove BS? Why do you not know of even one of the incidents posted

Hydroguy's post was spot on “JAT stewardess Vesna Vulović survived a fall of over 10,000 meters on January 26, 1972 when she was thrown from JAT Flight 364 by an terrorist bomb. She broke several bones and was in a coma for 27 days.

In World War II there were several reports of aircrew surviving long falls; Nick Alkemade, Alan Magee, and I.M. Chisov all fell at least 6,000 meters and survived.”

Take a hike mr. dime-a-dozen-skeptic-too-lazy-todo-research.
Take care,
space

That's it hardtorundown, I'm banning you from this forum for 2 weeks for a lack of topic research!

I was going to quote the same incident hydroguy did. Here's a little more detail. It wasn't what we imagine of freefall, but still amazing.

Vesna Vulović (Serbian: Весна Вуловић) (born 3 January 1950) holds the Guinness Book of Records world record for surviving the highest fall without a parachute: 10,160 meters (6.31 miles, or 33,000 feet).

The fall occurred on January 26, 1972, over Srbská Kamenice in Czechoslovakia (now Czech Republic). Émigré Croat terrorists (Ustaša) had placed a bomb on board JAT Yugoslav Flight 364, on which Vulović was a flight attendant. The explosion tore the DC-9-32 to pieces, but Vulović survived. She remained strapped into her seat in the tail section of the plane that was still attached to the washrooms. The assembly struck the snow-covered flank of a mountain.

The 22-year old was not scheduled to be on that flight; she had been mixed up with another stewardess named Vesna.

Vulović was the only survivor on the flight. She continued working for JAT at a desk job following her full recovery from injuries which included a fractured skull, two broken legs and three broken vertebrae, one of which was crushed and left her temporarily paralyzed from the waist down. She regained the use of her legs only after surgery.

Vulović was awarded the Guinness Record title by Paul McCartney at a ceremony.

I strolled down to the beach, so utterly convinced I was that there was no rush, only to find you talking to your bro.

Luck was on our side in many ways, but you owe so much to that paramedic bloke that happened to be fishing 20 metres away; who happened to have a back board in his little fishing boat.

Not to make light of what was an awful incident, but you just couldn't have planned a massive accident better.

It's great you got a second chance at life.

Either I'm missing a specific font, or that was one hell of a big way from altitude with a bunch of BASE jumpers...

Czechoslovakia is not "some third world country".
It happend and if you try to visit Prague (ever heard of such place?), you could go to Museum of Czech police and see exhibition about Vesna Vulovic.

you should keep political for the speakerscorner and i would shut up and go back to my hole if i were you,you totaly showed that you dont know shit.. you dont even know that the danes and british forces now pulls back their forces as they has done a job so the iraqes can take over,now why is it that USA ship 5000men over there instead off pulling them home?

im sorry i gave you a "hard time" mr really experienced,ofcourse we cant reach you level not even in our dreams.. As im not even a american i ofcourse shouldnt have standed up against you,you ofcourse always are right as you both have the experience and the right flag and dont have any gramma erros..

I stand corrected.. now go wait till you see a fatality it wont happen here in front of your screen,perhaps you could get the real American jackass to preform just make sure to make a contract that they cant die impacting the ground that way if they choose to do so(stupied them) you can sue them.. Best of luck

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I've been teaching for the last week or so, and haven't been on this forum much. So, my apologies to everyone who had to sit through this pointless thread.