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Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Senator Marty Golden is introducing a bill to make it a class D felony offense for those caught BASE jumping in the state of New York. I'm sure the law will pass and eventually other states will follow suite.

http://www.brooklyngraphic.com/..._id=552852&rfi=6

Go ahead, read the above, and come back. I’ll wait . . .

Well boys, it was a nice twenty eight year run.

I’ll remember those first few nights climbing KFI's tower at 3:00 in the morning with a (very) young Todd S. and Mark H. all of us giggling like school girls. I'll remember hiding out for hours in a downtown San Diego building just to escape a rent-a-cop and then walking down to avoid the possibility of getting the building hot. I'll remember how many times I dragged my tired butt downtown in the middle of the night to help out a newbie looking to get a BASE number.

I'll smile on a million things like jumping with Jakey (the author of "Groundrush") on his first building jump. I'll smile on all the solo building jumps I did and the lovely feeling of this was mine anytime I wanted it. I'll smile on the sea of faces I can recall, all of the jumpers who have come and gone over the years, all the excitement, all the laughs, and even all the tears.

I'll be proud of all the TV interviews I turned down, NBC, CBS, ABC, they all called me at one time or another, and still they call, and still I say no thanks. I'll be proud of writing thousands of posts over the years, always trying to add something to the sum total of our knowledge. I'll be proud of always subtly warning you that BASE jumping was precious because so many of you had never lived in a world without it. I'll be proud of telling you of all the ways the generation that preceded you went to great lengths to keep BASE jumping underground where it belonged.

But I can see the freedom, simplicity, and beauty of BASE wasn't enough for you. I can see the fact you could go and jump any night you wanted wasn't enough for you and I can see the knowledge you could do something no one else could do was something too big to be contained inside your own heads.

So be happy with your bridge in Potato Land and your once a year fling in West Virginia. Be happy knowing the people starting out in BASE today won't enjoy the extent of freedom you took for granted before you threw it away. Be happy in the knowledge that you were so much bigger than the ones who came before you that you thought nothing about selling the sport out for 15 minutes of fame. Be happy and continue spewing your "look at me videos" all over the internet and trying to "explain" BASE to the masses as you sound more lame, juvenile, and idiotic every time you do it. BASE was a gift, and you shat upon it . . .

A felony is a life altering thing. It won't matter much to us old timers, as we always knew the true cost of BASE was the real possibillity of the death penalty so we'll still bang one out from time to time. But, it will make younger jumpers think twice. So you all better start getting handy with needle and thread as making BASE jumping a felonious offense will certainly finish off the BASE gear manufacturers in this country.

And you'll find no refuge elsewhere as slowly the rest of the world will also turn against us.

Nope, it's over. Maybe not this year, maybe not next, but soon, and forever. I still don’t actually believe it myself yet, I mean the enormity of it, and how you managed it, but all you f-ing glory hounds got the entire United States hot . . .

NickD Unsure
BASE 194
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Re: [NickDG] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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I'll smile on a million things like jumping with Jakey (the author of "Groundrush") on his first building jump.

Maybe my memory fails me, but I thought that in Groundrush Jakey talks about his first Building jump from a well known B here in the UK...
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Re: [Mac] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
I meant his first "freefall" building jump . . .

NickD Smile
BASE 194
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Re: [NickDG] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Who can we write to, call?
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I meant his first "freefall" building jump . . .

NickD Smile
BASE 194

He must have had a long Static line then on the London B... but then again, it may just be my memory failing me....

I am not trying to be obnoxious, but from my memory of his book I am just trying to remember certain aspects that stood out in my mind...

I always liked the reference to the gun on the jump...

edit: I am now going to find it and re-read it again.... I found he exactly describes things that I could never put into words..... cracking read.... If any of you have not been able to get a copy, then try some more.... you wont be sorry
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Re: [leroydb] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
 
Don't even start that. It wont do any good. This whole thing is being fueled by the cameras. That's all he wants. Honestly has any one ever herd of this guy before even in NY? He is just rideing the wave that we our selves created. There is no way to fight this. You can't make any argument agenst him. The law will pass for lack of opesition. We are the only ones that care. If we fight it then it just draws more attention to him. He wins. It's what he wants. The bigger we make this the worse it will be. The only chance we have is that it will not get any atention and will just die out and not spread beyond NY. But once the precedent exest we are fucked and you can exspect to see it sited in every case to come.

Lee
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Re: [NickDG] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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Be happy and continue spewing your "look at me videos" all over the internet
So would you say people like Douggs and Jeb dont contribute anything to the sport other than "look at me videos"....
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Re: [Mac] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
 
There are two edges to that sword. The more it is seen the more accepted what we do will become. On the other hand there remains the perseption that all this is illeagal. high profile illeagle jumps like this one are the ammo they need to blow us out of the water. Honestly the best thing that could have happened would have been for him to lose his case. God forbid that we should win. Don't ever try to tell a cop that there is nothing he can charge you with. They'll just pass a new law. They will never be satisfied till they can arest any one they want upon there whem.
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Re: [RiggerLee] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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There are two edges to that sword

thats for sure... I was just asking the question...
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Re: [NickDG] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
I don't know much about US law but I just googled "Class D Felony" and it came up with things like rape, sexual assault and "Attempted Use of a Child in a Sexual Performance"?!!?

WTF?
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Re: [NickDG] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Chicken Licken springs to mind reading this post.

Calm yourself mr DG. Things really haven't changed that much, and please stop re-writing history and even worse predicting the future (badly).

If i recall, Carl was no stranger to hawking his BASE films. If i recall, you boys took the piss and lost El Cap[#] and I could've sworn i've seen oodles of footage of Phil Smith, Carl and co dayjumping antennas and buildings, not content were they under cover of darkness (hey maybe it was just for the video). And I've never met you, but i know what you look like.....how is that possible? Maybe you've had your 15 minutes already.

The rest of the world won't inevitably follow suit. Who looks to the US for justice and fairness? Most of europe have felt the pain of what it is to be occupied and oppressed and have their freedoms seized from them. They will not throw away their rights and liberty easily. Not even in the so-called fight against terrorism.

It saddens me to see how more and more your tone slides towards embitterment and phoney sentamentalism and further away from the notion of brotherhood which you have championed for so long.
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Re: [NickDG] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
I have just had a flick through groundrush and I am pretty sure that Jakey had freefalled a B before he did his first B with you.

So am I wrong, or are you wrong? If you need to reference it, it is Chapter 10...
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its just buildings.

slider down, usualy low. so what? and, really, its just new york. the biggest shithole in the 48, short of commerce city colorado.

i mean, poor magot. it was probably his fault!Tongue kidding. but still. its just buildings.




class D sucks. thats really bad, im no law man, but that shit is an ass fisting for sure.
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Re: [NickDG] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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The legislation would, however, allow the city and the building owner the right to grant a waiver under certain circumstances.

how is that not a good thing?

and man nick, i just read your whole post instead of just the article. you really hate us. dude, this is what happens to amazing new sports. all of them. i like you and respect you dude, but, shite.
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Re: [leroydb] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
We must come together and fight this. This man must be stopped. We must send as many letters from as many people as possible. I am so sorry everyone, this is not how any of this was suppose to go down. This is is a fight for freedom in a country that's motto is land of the free...

Jeb Corliss



http://www.senatorgolden.com/contact_info.asp

golden@senate.state.ny.us
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Re: [NickDG] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
       No, I don't think the sky is falling just yet, but at the least it should be a wakeup call to the 'look at me' jumpers, if they are even capable of waking up. Sounds to me like the guy that wrote the article thinks it's a joke, and likely that alot of other people voting on that bill will agree. I can understand all the piss and vinegar, if I thought it was over I'd say the same thing.
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We must come together and fight this. This man must be stopped. We must send as many letters from as many people as possible. I am so sorry everyone, this is not how any of this was suppose to go down. This is is a fight for freedom in a country that's motto is land of the free...
What would you propose as a counter argument to this fellas' proposal Jeb..?
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well, really, there is 200 million people in the us that think we are sketchy, dangerous people. there is we 5,000 BASE jumpers, and whatever young kids that say they want to base jump. all the mothers and fathers, even if they wanted to base jump at one time, now have kids.


but,
Since when was BASE jumping in the same feild as child porn?
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Re: [NickDG] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Quote from Sentator Golden :
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“This is something done in the dark of night, without anyone knowing…and it frightens people,” he said.

Yes, wakes them up from their sleep at 3AM going 'I see BASE jumpers!'... Laugh
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Re: [skreamer] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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Quote from Sentator Golden :
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“This is something done in the dark of night, without anyone knowing…and it frightens people,” he said.

Yes, wakes them up from their sleep at 3AM going 'I see BASE jumpers!'... Laugh

well said
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Re: [NickDG] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
From the article:

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“This is something done in the dark of night, without anyone knowing…and it frightens people,” he said.

Comments like that make me sad. I know it's just one guy, and that there are plenty of people who think otherwise. But that there even exists one person who would say such a thing, it's mind boggling.

Nobody that has ever seen me jump has had a reaction other than sheer joy and excitement about the fact that such a thing would be possible (cue sarcastic comment about how my poor jumping skills do in fact frighten people). Even the ones that weren't supposed to see me but just happened to be walking their dog in the middle of the night would come up and say the nicest things.

These days, it seems I'm one of the few Europeans that loves America. I'm aware I have a romantic Randian idea of the United States, but nonetheless it's a country that has a special place in my heart. Sadly, the sheer symbolic impact of such a law, should it ever pass, would leave me no choice but to move to Davos.

Luckily we still have Canada. That reminds me, I have a packjob to finish. I'm off to my legal cliff...

From Nick's post:

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BASE was a gift, and you shat upon it...

Can you elaborate on that? I remember a certain quote about having BASE all squared and hummed away like any other past-time such as bowling and horseback riding. What happened in between? For all the bitching and whining I do on these forums, I still think the BASE community on the whole is a great one that treats the sport with the historical values it deserves.
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From the Article:

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“These senseless acts deplete the financial resources of building owners, businesses and the city,” [Golden] continued.

Can someone explain this to me? I really don't get it. My only thought was something to do with increased security, if there was a jump that happened on their building. Seems like a big stretch if that is what he was describing.
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Re: [jeb] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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We must send as many letters from as many people as possible.

... This is is a fight for freedom in a country that's motto is land of the free...

Is there *realistically* any point in us foreigners sending letters?

Would they file letters from non US citizens straight in the trash as irrelevant?
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Re: [RiggerLee] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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Don't even start that. It wont do any good. This whole thing is being fueled by the cameras. That's all he wants. Honestly has any one ever herd of this guy before even in NY? He is just rideing the wave that we our selves created.
Exactly. Seems like another bozo politican that doesn't have a clue what he's talkin about.

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Golden’s law would create a class D felony for reckless endangerment for any individual jumping off a typical BASE structure five floors or higher.
Those must be some "thick" floors. Crazy
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Re: [NickDG] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Shannon and Brians deaths were BIG time national news. That guy getting hung up on the guy wires in Nor Cal was BIG time national news. Jeb's arrest was BIG time national news.

Maybe it's about time for something positive from the BASE community to make BIG time national news...

People have been driven by the premise that ANY publicity is bad for BASE...thus ensuring that ONLY NEGATIVE publicity reaches the general population.
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Re: [HydroGuy] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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Maybe it's about time for something positive from the BASE community to make BIG time national news...

People have been driven by the premise that ANY publicity is bad for BASE...thus ensuring that ONLY NEGATIVE publicity reaches the general population.

have you watched the news lately? i mean, when was the last time anyone saw anything positive on the news short of the fireturck people got the little old ladies cat out of the tree?

There was a huge storm here, about a meter and a half of snow, and some kids decided to go ski down the god damn PUBLIC red rocks ampetheater, the news found some film of it and was freaking out, saying these ids are reckless and are destroying the park. fuck the media, they cant help people like us. nobody likes us.
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Re: [Calvin19] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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anything positive on the news short of the fireturck people got the little old ladies cat out of the tree?

Maybe some BASE jumpers could get an old ladies cat off an antennae. You could stage the thing, call the media and stuff..... Just make sure the cat doesn't fry though; wouldn't look to good in front of the cameras...
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Re: [Calvin19] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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The legislation would, however, allow the city and the building owner the right to grant a waiver under certain circumstances.

how is that not a good thing?

and man nick, i just read your whole post instead of just the article. you really hate us. dude, this is what happens to amazing new sports. all of them. i like you and respect you dude, but, shite.
Ummm... Just a thought here, doesn't the NPS also have the jurisdiction/right to grant permission for BASE jumps in parks?

I could very well see the building owners/city granting BASE access to a building just as often as the NPS does in parks.

Disregarding Bridge Day, it will never happen. Not on this continent, anyway.
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Re: [swilson] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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The legislation would, however, allow the city and the building owner the right to grant a waiver under certain circumstances.

how is that not a good thing?

and man nick, i just read your whole post instead of just the article. you really hate us. dude, this is what happens to amazing new sports. all of them. i like you and respect you dude, but, shite.

Ummm... Just a thought here, doesn't the NPS also have the jurisdiction/right to grant permission for BASE jumps in parks?

I could very well see the building owners/city granting BASE access to a building just as often as the NPS does in parks.

Disregarding Bridge Day, it will never happen. Not on this continent, anyway.
agreed. but still, its better than absolutly not never.
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Re: [worldsocold] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
dude, all the actualy talented BASE jumpers got banned from dorkzone.
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I've been watching this thread evolve and wanna just intrude for a second...

Don't you think making such a big deal out of this bill that is being introduced, on a public, internationally accessible forum is just going to reinforce to the parties involved, media out there spying and other local authorities who may be looking into the impact of this, that it would have the desired effect. People are already talking about putting off new jumpers and disrupting the industry. This is exactly what they want to hear. If they know its going to work in preventing BASE jumping then they will do it and maybe not just locally to New York, but more widespread.

Whether thats Scoop's chaos theory in action or not I don't know, anyway, I'll drag my sorry ass back to the bonfire now.

Stay safe
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dude, all the actualy talented BASE jumpers got banned from dorkzone.

they may be banned from posting, but they CAN still read... or can't they?
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Re: [wwarped] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
i dono, i hope so. im about to get my Sushirollover and Quadruple slider down barrelroll and 2/1 track down. i still want to be able to read this worthless shite when i get banned
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Re: [NickDG] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
What a bunch of queers!

It's no more difficult now than it ever was than it ever will be.

You could die on any jump. What difference does it make that you could do bird if you get caught?

BASE is for renegades. You get caught...you got caught.

Jeb is the perfect example. He knew the score, he did the deed regardless. Risk management 101.

Figure out your values and act accordingly. Lie in the bed you made.

Too many light weights in this "sport" already.

Fukyall.
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Re: [worldsocold] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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...putting out videos riding a bike off an a cool big "A" and showing the bike hit the FCC regulated "A" for the whole world to see...

In all fairness, I think Jeb's jump in New York City had probably more to do with the suggested law than the HIDGAF jump in California. I doubt the senator has ever seen the bike jump video, but I'm reasonably confident he has followed the aftermath of Jeb's jump.

That doesn't make Jeb's jump worse than the bike jump in my book, but we shouldn't run and blame HIDGAF immediately either.

I showed Radix to several non-jumping friends and we were all rolling over the floor laughing, similar to how I can enjoy Jackass in the theatre (judge all you want, but Hollywood choreagraphed stupidity makes me chuckle and if you disagree I'll just say you're a snob).

I do think that the bike jump deserves higher penalties than jumps that follow the backpacker's credo, but if extrapolating the former results in higher punishment for the latter, fault lies mostly (albeit not entirely) with the legislators who can't see a difference between simple trespassing or damaging property.

The question then is, is my chuckle and HIDGAFs video whoredom worth the risk? I'd say that it has so far, although I'll admit that more care may be justified in the future.

I think Lifewithoutanet said it right. There's really not much happening yet, and writing letters is only going to add fuel to a fire that is almost dead anyway. Besides, I'm struggling to understand what would be in such a letter. How about this...


Code
    Dear legislator, 

Please don't make trespassing a felony. I know
it's against the law and not entirely appropriate,
but I'm not harming anybody and just borrowing
some altitude.


Come one people, it's still trespassing at the end of the day and I, for one, am happy there are laws against it so I don't have to worry about people running around in my house while I'm asleep.

What matters are the consequences attached to our petty crimes, and history as recent as Jeb's case has shown that most people still have the brain to put things in perspective.

I get significantly more worked up over the existing law against aerial delivery than a D.O.A. proposal against BASE jumping in the middle of the night.
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Re: [MyTwoCents] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Nicely put Jaap.

I also thought it was interesting that Nick D is right about me not being alive in a world where BASE didn't exist. I was born in march 84.

Even if it becomes a felony people will base jump, and after a few three strikes you're out cases, where they try to send people to jail for life, because they were base jumping, I think they'll realize it shouldn't be a felony.
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Re: [d_goldsmith] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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...they try to send people to jail for life, because they were base jumping, I think they'll realize it shouldn't be a felony.

Don't watch the news much do you? Are you aware how many people are in jail for a long time because they smoked weed or did mushrooms?
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Re: [lifewithoutanet] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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...Brooklyn. Some 150 miles away from the senator's home turf of Albany. He didn't even rate locally.

Um, isn't Brooklyn his home turf?

I'm pretty sure that he represents Brooklyn in Albany (which is the state capitol).
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Re: [MyTwoCents] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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...Maybe it's about time for something positive from the BASE community to make BIG time national news...

The only (local) thing that I can think of that comes close to positive; is a benefit for children at the Perrine.

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Are you aware how many people are in jail for a long time because they smoked weed or did mushrooms?

Mushrooms are illegal? Shocked
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Re: [lifewithoutanet] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
It's being coveredd very well right here in an international forum. The widest respect that he or any state seniter from NY has ever receaved.
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Re: [Skin] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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What a bunch of queers!

It's no more difficult now than it ever was than it ever will be.

You could die on any jump. What difference does it make that you could do bird if you get caught?

BASE is for renegades. You get caught...you got caught.

Jeb is the perfect example. He knew the score, he did the deed regardless. Risk management 101.

Figure out your values and act accordingly. Lie in the bed you made.

Too many light weights in this "sport" already.

Fukyall.

Well said.
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Re: [worldsocold] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
So Im assuming you watched this video, which is why you know about it? And by watching it you have thus supported it. If you have ever bought a BASE video with illegal jumps on it you have supported it. There is nothing wrong with promoting yourself and the sport as cool shit. its the only way it will ever get recognition. I bet you watched jackass and laughed at it, but God forbid you see something you can relate with jackass in YOUR sport!
Skate videos constantly show athletes trespassing, i dont see skaters complaining about their peers.
I enjoy watching those "hey look at me videos." I think they are rad, and if you are not entertained by them then you are a silly sally.
plus it doesnt matter i am so fast at running and good at being stealthy i will never get caught in NY.
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dude, all the actualy talented BASE jumpers got banned from dorkzone.

they may be banned from posting, but they CAN still read... or can't they?

some cant even access www.dorkzone.com anymore. They are not able to receive the usuful information the website has to offer, and cant browse the classifieds.
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Re: [NickDG] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Not all badSmile
Not all bad
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Re: [SLAMBO] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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In reply to:
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dude, all the actualy talented BASE jumpers got banned from dorkzone.

they may be banned from posting, but they CAN still read... or can't they?

some cant even access www.dorkzone.com anymore. They are not able to receive the usuful information the website has to offer, and cant browse the classifieds.

are you saying banned people can't go to a friend's home and view dz.com? or use a public access pc, such as at a library?

and if the website offers useful information, why do you insist on changing the name? it insults the site and the people who find value here. it shows little respect.

(oh, and btw - plenty of talented BASE jumpers have NO problem posting here. some names you might recognize, and some you might not. not every talented BASE jumper seeks a soapbox, fame, publicity, notoriety, etc.)
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Breaking news on Losers News Network. The old lady had a heart attack but will be ok. As for the cat...
Damn BASE jumpers!!
savingcat.jpg
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Re: [lifewithoutanet] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
First and foremost as lifewithout points out, this is a state senator in NY. The whole BASE community is getting attention cause of the Jeb's Empire state jump. (No offense mate) He got off and that pissed off a hell of a lot of people. So, they are naturally going to go after BASE as a whole.

Second of all, this would only impact NY. (even if it does pass, which would be doubtful cause of the length of time required to drill the bill through) I doubt many other states would follow suit for numerous reasons. First, the Northeast doesn't have much in the lines besides tresspassing sites. Also, the current sites realize that it is a tourism that brings $$$. So, the South and West are highly doubtful that it would follow NY. Furthermore, NYC politics are whole different breed, and I doubt that there is engouh public worry to make this a national issue. (Just stay the hell away from anything that is possibly jumpable in DC) Thus, a federal felony would never occur, and the way that the american's law work is that state laws can't bleed over into other states.

Finally, if you are going to start a campign against this idiot of a senator, then keep it quite till the time is right. Start gathering signatures. The more that the community brings it to the attention of policy makers, then the more they will be able to think and hear about BASE jumping. Everyone needs to lay low on the issue and work together forming a good startegy for if this actually comes to the floor.



Stay Safe
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(oh, and btw - plenty of talented BASE jumpers have NO problem posting here. some names you might recognize, and some you might not. not every talented BASE jumper seeks a soapbox, fame, publicity, notoriety, etc.)
I never said that they do. It is a fact that some of them are completely banned from accessing the site. Yes, they can go to a friends house to view it. Thanks for clarifying that great fact.
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Re: [SLAMBO] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
coulld it be, that the talnted BASE Hoppers dont care about the shite we pull eachothers hair about on this forum?Tongue
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Thanks for clarifying that great fact.

your welcome!Smile

to ALL:
we must be careful with what we say and do regarding anything related to site access. we may not agree on Jeb's action, or the govenment's response. it's just that when dealing with authorities, perception matters. they will not attempt to see OUR side (not enough votes or financial "support"). if we are unclear, we will suffer. if our words and deads do not match, we will lose credibility. either we must communicate clearly and address THEIR concerns, or we must start thinking like SKIN.
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Re: [wwarped] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
You guys can throw the term "old schooler" at me, that's fine, and even though you mean it in a derogatory sense I'll wear that tag with honor. My perspective on BASE is very different than yours as my thoughts have formed over a longer run. And being the demographic of this board is skewed toward the post Red Bull generation I expected a good slamming.

I will, however, address a couple of your points.

Someone said I was re-writing BASE history when I suggested all previous generations of jumpers kept BASE on the down low. The example cited was Carl Boenish and the distributions of his films throughout the world. Well, I knew Carl both before and after he began what at the time was called fixed object jumping. In fact, from 1978 until about 1980 when Phil Smith started jumping antenna towers in Texas the sport was merely known as cliff jumping, as that was pretty much all that was being jumped.

Carl was first and foremost a photographer. Prior to the jumps he organized at El Cap in 1978 it's well known if you had an "outside the norm" type project going and you needed it documented on film then Carl was your man. He loved to film anything involving parachutes and the goofier it was the better. So it's well known, even though I wish I could say it was a higher calling, Carl had set up the whole El Cap thing just for the opportunity to film it.

I've written extensively on Carl both here and over on the BASE Board so you can search it out if you want. But the point I'm making is Carl's generation of BASE jumper was as different as my generation is from yours. To over simplify I see it as three distant eras. From 1978 to when the BASE numbers began in 1982 no one thought much about hiding their jumping activities. At the time there was every reason to believe the sport would be embraced and applauded as just another amazing thing human beings could do. So Carl felt no need to hide the activity as the only place the sport was having any trouble was in the National Parks. In fact, I know he thought public opinion would only help that situation.

I was there at Lake Elsinore in 1978 on the night Carl showed the El Cap footage for the very first time. And none of us watching thought, "Gee, he shouldn't be showing this too people." Calling Carl a glory hound, or comparing him to people who post BASE vids on Youtube is very unfair in view of the times he lived in.

The second era of the sport began when BASE wasn't accepted as we all thought it would be and it lasted from about 1982 until the year 2000. During this time we spilt into two camps. One side thought it best to hide our activities and the other thought, screw what others think, and made no bones about being BASE jumpers. I waffled between both groups at that time and for many reasons. BASE jumping then wasn't at all accepted by the skydiving community as it is today. To openly admit to being a BASE jumper was the kiss of death at many DZs if you were an Instructor or held any other DZ job. It's hard for you to imagine nowadays the vitriol aimed at us from skydivers, who I imagine felt somehow threatened by us, and we were now being blamed for any image problem that befell skydiving at the time.

At first I was in the "out" camp my thinking being if we rammed BASE down people's throats long enough we'd win acceptance. It just didn’t exist (and still doesn't) in my mind that BASE would languish, or die off, as it was just too beautiful of a thing.

It was around this time I started the "Fixed Object Journal" a BASE magazine I published from 1989 to the early '90s. Mine was the third such publication with Carl's "BASE Magazine" being first until he died in 1984 and then Phil Smith's "BASELine" magazine came second. These magazines were "in house" or in other words only circulated to people in the sport or interested in the sport, and they never appeared on newsstands for public consumption.

My thinking, at the time, is it was important to get safety information to people who were starving for it. This is a time prior to the advent of BASE gear manufactures as we know them today and some of stuff we were using would curl your toes. There was also no knowledge base that exists today and every jump was still pretty much an experiment.

At the time we weren't dying in great numbers, and the only reason for that was there weren't that many if us, and the rate of jumps per person was low. But we were suffering constant and horrible injuries. So much so that it became hardly mentionable when the plaster casts were visited upon you. Getting hurt became a normal part of the sport.

But then, after the BASE gear industry gained a foothold, and we started to get acceptance because people were being exposed to other "extreme" sports the death rate in BASE started to rise dramatically. We went from losing one or two people a year to losing several and more a year. The sport is still rather small so these are not strangers but friends.

It was then I, and many others, changed their minds and started advising people to keep BASE jumping to themselves. This is when I finally realized BASE was like no other sport in that it was way too easy to get in over your head and the spike in fatalities bolstered that point.

Then came the third generation of BASE, your generation. And now I will retract something I said up-board. I came down too hard in calling you "all" glory hounds. That used to be a term we reserved for the worst of the worse offenders. But bear with me for a moment and I try to weasel out like a man. We videoed ourselves too. It was a bit harder back then as consumer video cameras were still pretty spendy, but the big difference is we had no method of easy distribution like you do today. And I'm not so sure we would have been able to resist doing it any more than you can now.

But there is a big difference between then and now. A video camera at the launch point was not so normal like is today. The few videos I have of any of my jumps are all in the dark with no lighting and the only interesting part, in most cases, is the audio. The majority of my BASE jump memories exist only in my mind. Even today I never think to take a video camera along on a BASE jump.

That said we all have to face up to the biggest problem in BASE jumping. And that problem was the basis of my first post. Too many of us are dying. I just added Shane Richards to the Fatality List this morning and we are averaging a fatality a month. When you're brand new to the sport that might seem normal, but I'm here to tell you it's not normal at all. And the only way we are going to affect those numbers is by keeping BASE a bit more underground and making it a bit harder for all but the most determined to get into BASE. Right now we have thousands of 12-year olds watching your vids on the internet. What do you think the outcome of that is going to be?

Why we are dying in such numbers is no big mystery. There are simply more of us and we are making more jumps per person. That's progress, you may say, and there's nothing we can do about it. But there is something we can do about it. But first you have to give a damn. I've been keeping the BASE Fatality List going for about 18 years now and I've mentioned before that it's getting harder to keep up my original enthusiasm which was purely to educate newer jumpers and prevent needless deaths. But, I can't help but feel, in an admittedly myopic way, I've failed in that as the fatality numbers continue to grow.

My own participation in BASE is in its twilight, as both physically and mentally I'm losing the edge I once had. Someday soon I will ask some poor sap to take over the Fatality List rather than just pull it off the web because deep down I know it does help to a certain extent. That person will also have great enthusiasm until he or she reaches the point where they get sick in their stomachs every time they write one of those reports.

Lastly, I never wanted to wind up being "that old guy" who doesn't understand the new thing. Especially after I've seen so many go that route before me. One thing I'll always regret in my BASE career was our treatment of Jean Boenish after Carl died. She didn’t have the skill to impart effectively the message of being safe and to have respect for the sport. So we laughed at her and we ridiculed her, and we swore we'd never become like here ourselves. But, we were wrong and she was right.

Someone said the reasons for my initial post was, "you must really hate us," but, it's just the opposite, I love you all, and even though many of you resist the idea we are brothers and sisters I still, and always will feel, that way.

I am you thirty years ago, and you'll be me thirty years from now . . .

NickD Smile
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Nick,
i only read the first paragraph of your post, but want to be the first to respnd.

the term 'old schooler' is given to you and others, from me and i assume most others in here, with full respect, and is not meant in any kind of derogetory way. it is understood that you have much more knoledge of this sport than anyone else out there for the most part.

all it is meant to describe is that, you are, an older, seasoned jumper. and most of the rest of us are not.

would you like us to use a diferent term?

edit-of course, we use the term losely, because old schoolers take it in a derogetory way, and its funny. Tongue
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good post nick.

its as simple as it ever was.

keep the jumps in the dark.
lose the skydiver "im a skydiver" attitude

make it a felony. this will only weed out the fakers and the weak.
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Nice post!
Thanks.
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Beautifully written Nick. We've talked about this subject before and this post summarizes many of the key points of those conversations. Thank you for taking the time to write what you have. Your wisdom and knowledge are greatly appreciate by many... perhaps even the (silent) majority.

Be well,

-=Raistlin
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Re: [NickDG] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
You've twisted this Nick and you know it.

Nobody came here calling you an old schooler and ridiculing you because of it. You did however insult many of us by just slamming us all as 'mtv' generation x types who frankly didn't give a fuck about BASE and it's heritage.

I never called Carl a glory hound, and for you to interpret it that way is obtuse. You did however level that accusation at an entire generation of jumpers out there who you seemingly have no faith in or respect for.

You can contextualise it all you want, but when push comes to shove many of the videos today are born of the same motivations which drove Carl to make and distribute his.

BASE does have it's share of problems with object access and protection, but the point i was making was that it always has had, and always will have.

BASE does have it's share of pranksters doing daft things off objects for the glory or for the notoriety but again, I've seen the pogo sticks, skateboards and stilts pranks off el cap in the day. They weren't done in the name of scientific discovery or progress were they.

I'm not having a go at you Nick, I just don't appreciate you having a go at me (indirectly of course).

I have nothing but reverence for the pioneers of BASE, and I have nothing but respect for the bulk of jumpers who walked the path before me.

I just wish you wouldn't generalise like that and tar many of us with the same brush. There are hundreds of good, solid, down to earth, respectful, humble, realistic, underground jumpers out there, still burning the torch.

Don't give up on us yet.

BTW his name was Sean Richards, not Shane.
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Magot sent me the following text

"Tell the idiots on dz to mind there own business its are play ground"

Sadly he can't post. Notice I didn't edit for spelling / grammer either.....

He's still on blinc though....

Anyway, I don't know if I missed it or not, but this law, proposed law is only right now for NYC.

http://www.senatorgolden.com/...e_story.asp?id=15611

Notice that this was from his press archive, Jan 18th.

The great paper the Brooklyn graphic didn't run this story till Feb 8th..... Not exactly earth breaking news to say the least.

As for the issue, will other cities, municipalities follow? Perhaps, perhaps not. Skin said it best a few pages ago.

So right now, who does this proposed lawaffect those that jump regularly in NYC. I am not one of them, though I made a jump there with Magot last week. The fun jump that it was.

In truth, it doesn't affect him that much, cause he doesn't care, he'll just jump anyway.

So here we all are searching for damage control, and blaming ourselves and each other. Shit happens. Time to stand back and watch the fall out. We'll see who's still around when it's all over.

Me, I can't afford a felony with my job, so I'll just go back to Twin and Moab... I accept the risk of death, but losing my job... well that would just suck.

Still have those sites for now right?


_justin
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Look.... Not that I even live there right now but regardless of the ramafications i'll jump there again. Honestly in NYC, this law doesnt make that much difference. As it stands now a building jump in manhatten nets you 3 felonys w/a bust. Usual charges, but everything in the 5 borroughs is a felony after the patriot act. so what's a fourth at that point....?

You know what the funniest part is.....? Brooklyn ain't got shit for objects. The couple that may have been done aren't done nearly as often as neighboring burroughs.

And Nick........ "Old school" has always carried a certain weight of respect to my ears. The crowd is growing, and with it wil be more people of all types, and more fatalitys. It's just a numbers game now.

Stay safe all......

BASE NYC will not be stopped
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BASE NYC will not be stopped


NEVER!!!!!!!
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Sadly he can't post.

Oh?
Who's sad?
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Me, I can't afford a felony with my job, so I'll just go back to Twin and Moab... I accept the risk of death, but losing my job... well that would just suck

Your job is more important than your life?!
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So here we all are searching for damage control, and blaming ourselves and each other. Shit happens. Time to stand back and watch the fall out. We'll see who's still around when it's all over.

I wish people would not look at this as a blame game. I view it as an opportunity for people to stand up and accept responsibility for their actions, a chance to learn from mistakes. we don't need to act on emotions, but on rational thought. many use video quite constructively for this very purpose.

Jeb has manned up for the ESB attempt.

will anyone who posts video change? I don't know. please be aware that efforts to popularize BASE will have unintended side effects. not everything goes as planned, expected, or even hoped.

raising the profile of BASE will raise the concern of many politicians.

BASE has evolved. it looks far different than in Carl's day. we have learned how to be safer and the price of not acting responsibly. I think we should learn from the past rather than blindly repeating it.
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Sadly he can't post.

Oh?
Who's sad?

I for one miss maggot on this forum.
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Re: [SLAMBO] For Maggot
I second.

what did he do wrong exactly?
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Re: [Calvin19] For Maggot
Whatever you want to say about Maggot, The little brick has some quality base experience. The mods should get off the Nazi shit. LET HIM BACK!!!!!!!!!
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Senator Golden (aka “Squeaky”) is a reasonable man. He is simply looking for a little grease.

Send the boys in black over to have a little talk with him. Throw a little pork chop in with the deal and Bitta-Bang, Bitta-Bing… “Forget About It!”

Everybody’s fuckin’ happy.
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definitely nothing that would constitute a ban on his name. Maggot is a hardcore NYC bro who deserves to post all his misspelled sentences on this forum.
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Senator Golden (aka “Squeaky”) is a reasonable man. He is simply looking for a little grease.

Send the boys in black over to have a little talk with him. Throw a little pork chop in with the deal and Bitta-Bang, Bitta-Bing… “Forget About It!”

Everybody’s fuckin’ happy.

dear god nooooooo.... lol
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I also miss Maggots funny posts
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Hey, guys. Let's all back up a second here... This is a state senator, introducing legislation for his state, not the nation. Certainly, there is the risk of precedent being set, but Google around a little bit. I caught this article a couple of days ago and in that time, the Brooklyn Graphic is the only rag that's covering it. Brooklyn. Some 150 miles away from the senator's home turf of Albany. He didn't even rate locally. Search the senator's website and you'll find a single press release, dated Jan 18th. It took the "press" a good 20 days to pick it up. Just how important do you think this is to him? He really couldn't give a freefalling fuck.


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Good point. This Senator is an idiot. And quite frankly most of his political adversaries are probably salavating at the ammo this will undoubtedly provide, as it's obvious this guy could be spending his time working on legitimate policies rather than laws that possibly apply to less than 10,000 people in this country. . . . .maybe! In my opinion his critics will eat him alive for wasting his time on an illegal activity that can't even be quantified, as most jumping activity happens at night when no one is around. With that notion others states may be more likely to look at it as a waste of time. . . .hopefully.
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Hey, guys. Let's all back up a second here... This is a state senator, introducing legislation for his state, not the nation.


Not for the state of NY....

In reply to:
State Senator Marty Golden will introduce legislation ending the reckless act of B.A.S.E. jumping from any building, bridge, antenna or similar structure in the City of New York.

City of NY... New York is more than just the city. It is an important distinction.....
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Maggots the coolest guy ever he should totally be allowed back on this shite.
I mean he's like expressing himself like Van Gough
or Charles Manson.
like seriously
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Just sent this one through the senators website. For all discussion going on about reacting yes or no, I chose to react.

Ronald
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Dear Senator Golden,

It is with sadness I recieved information about your bill proposing base jumping to be classified as a felony offense class D.

Of course, I do understand base jumping has a percieved air of illegalness around it. Especially as some jumps are made trespassing, or even sometimes endangering people. However, there are to my knowledge current rules as to deal with those breaches of the law.

The intended bill will put an innocent sport activity in line with serious sexual offences. I can not help bu think this is shooting with a cannon at a mouse. There are few base jumpers around worldwide, and even less in the USA. Generally, no harm is done and no damage created.

We all love this sport and want it to be safe. I personally would like to be it available for my son, if he wants to practise it.

I kindly urge you to retract your bill.

Respectfully,

Ronald Overdijk
The Netherlands
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Case in point ...

http://www.dropzone.com/...;page=unread#2668299
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even sometimes endangering people
now why would you go and say that? Unsure
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I say that because that is a (rare indeed) fact, and for sure that is the way police, law enforcers and law makers see it. We can stick our head in the sand but that is not going to help.

Ronald
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Although you can't say its impossible, like it won't ever happen, but, I've never heard of a BASE jumper hurting anyone but themselves . . . does anyone else know different?

I have seen inexperienced jumpers land among the spectators at some past Bridge Days, but they are usually deep in the brakes with a big slow canopy and not likely to seriously injure anyone.

But if we keep up the downtown day blazing like the recent Philly vid making the rounds it's bound to happen sooner or later. And after mowing down some completely innocent pedestrian you won’t need to kill them for it to become a very big deal.

Are we forgetting why we jump in the middle of the night? The winds are calmer and there are only two kinds of people in the street. The kind who won't call the police, and the kind who are the police.

But I do have to thank the Philly boys for putting the cherry on my original post . . .

NickD Smile
BASE 194
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Are we forgetting why we jump in the middle of the night? The winds are calmer and there are only two kinds of people in the street. The kind who won't call the police, and the kind who are the police.

But I do have to thank the Philly boys for putting the cherry on my original post . . .

NickD Smile
BASE 194


The Philadelphia jump blasted across youtube, makes me cringe too. If i'm honest more because of the 'rad' commentary and the fact it's blasted across youtube than the fact they jumped that building in the day. They may have had their reasons regarding gaining access, i don't know, although seeing as how it is still under construction, it tends to point towards easy night access.

Anyway, that really isn't the point. The point is Nick I can almost feel the heat from your hands after all that rubbing with glee you did when this jump was brought to your attention, because in your mind it validates your prejudices and preconceptions of what the 'yoof' are all about and how they're fucking up and fumbling the passed-on baton of BASE.

Did you feel the same way about Owen Quinn I wonder and his WTC jump? Do you recall that amazing footage in one of Carl's early films of a jump from (i think) a Houston skyscraper, a two way with one on a square and one on a round. Beautiful day it was judging by the footage? What about Thor Alex and his NYC jumps? How about Dwain and Slim, i've seen a stack of their dayblazing building jumps?
I could go on....and you know it.

I just wonder why you feel it's so different NOW.

Like i said, it's not all fine and dandy in BASE today, and if i were a teacher i'd say there was definitely room for improvement, but hasn't it always been that way?
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I should add, I don't want to argue with you anymore Nick. Despite what you may think, I still have the utmost respect for you, but i felt it was worth counter-arguing because you carry great influence with people (jumpers, non jumpers and media) who do respect and listen to you, and i felt it was important they didn't just accept the nihilistic view that BASE is spiralling down the pan into oblivion because it is populated solely by populist robot-like glory seeking assholes.

There is still a solid punkrock core to BASE (and i mean anti-authority, not Gwen fucking stefani) so chill out, grab your slippers and pipe and relax. The resistance is alive and well.

Laters.
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injuries can ruin lives.
criminal records can ruin lives.
raising the profile of sites can complicate jumps (didn't that occur in the UK recently?)

my question, does every video need distribution?
before the internet, people would torture friends with slideshows of their recent vacations. new parents love to show photos of their kids. people simply wish to share their excitement. I get that. I also understand not everyone wants to see it... and when it shows a potentially illegal activity, is it wise?

now you mentioned some early footage. fair enough. well, imagine a sailing forum. imagine how cool it would be to have footage of Christopher Columbus sailing across the Atlantic. that would be the bomb. now imagine if 10% of those sailing across the Atlantic would post video... yawn.

or if you prefer, how many first time tandem videos have you watched? obviously the students love them and want everyone to watch their vid. is it newsworthy?

of course, neither example above depicts activity that inspires lawmakers to write new laws. authorities seem quite willing to address BASE jumping. I wish it weren't the case, but like getting busted up, it is a reality.

videos can be a great tool to improve. they capture detail a jumper missed. they can help relive memories far safer than by repeating a jump. but really, how often do others post video of themselves violating laws? how often do others post video daring politicians to write new laws?

some thought publicity would open up sites. it simply hasn't happened. they were wrong. maybe it will change, but it appears unlikely.

by keep your video and jumping personal, you can avoid complicating YOUR life. people advise others how to be safer all the time. we as a community like to find ways to prevent injuries and deaths. why not advise to prevent law enforcement issues? like tension knots they may be rare, but it remains a possibility.
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The problem with long threads is people often forget what the point is and I do think you've gone off on a tangent with what you believe I'm actually saying.

I'm not arguing the case for videos on youtube. Never have, never will. All I ever took issue with is Nick's negative tone and sweeping generalisations towards a whole generation of jumpers. Generalisations which lead to the conclusion that BASE is about to implode and dissappear because WE, that's you and me and everyone I jump with, fucked it all up. And by disassociation he, and Carl, and Phil Smith and everyone he jumped with remains blameless.(THAT IS THE POINT)

My point is this. Yeah there are glory hounds, yeah there are videos splashed here and there, yeah day blazing a building is a sure way of burning the fun for all on that object, yeah inviting the media along for your 15 minutes of fame is very short term thinking and has potentially long term implications BUT, that has always been the case and always will be. When Owen Quinn leapt off the WTC do you really think the authorities reacted any differently then than they do today. A generation or two later when Thor Alex blazed through NYC do you recall the response then. Yet BASE lived on.

It was not the end. In fact it changed very little beyond the reactionary short term.

If BASE is regressing, then it began that slide long ago....perhaps even as early as when Carl screened his first film to a dropzone full of slack-jawed heathens. He didn't have to do that. He chose to share and i for one can not condemn him because of that.

We are all part of a BASE evolution, not it's destruction. Whatever laws may come it isn't going to stop us, in the same way that the losing of permits to jump El cap back in the day didn't stop people from jumping it. We exist despite these laws, not because of them.

I know that Nick is big on the idea of BASE jumpers being renegades and not snuggling up in bed with the establishment, and believe me, that's music to my ears too. I'm just reminding him that the battle isn't over and giving up and laying down his sword does us all a great disservice.
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Remember, the early jump in Houston filmed by Carl was in the infancy of BASE. The filming was done early Sunday morning, and, with no defining history, the collective attitude of the early BASE jumpers was that the spectacle of object jumping would be admired, not admonished. Boy, were we naïve. We failed to realize that the narrow views of authority would question the legalities of these jumps, but not surprised, as we were considered outlaw by some of our own in the USPA.

These early jumps were made by very experienced skydivers with much planning and forethought. Shortly afterward came a wave of glory hounds, including a lesser experienced wannabe that bounced off the side of the same building, knocking off a piece of the granite, before he plunged through the angular glass near the base of an adjacent building and required rescue.

Lawmakers and law enforcers make their living off our laws. Changing the Senator’s mind is akin to your dentist telling you there is no need to come in for a check up. BASE is a misunderstood fringe sport that is probably best performed on the sly, and unfortunately, that’s the world’s loss...
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Thanks Phil. That Houston jump is still (even in this day and age of aerials and gimmick jumps) an awe inspiring balls-to-the-wall jump which humbles me.

But as you said, even back then, there were glory hounds and attention seekers and despite them, BASE survived and will continue to do so. Fools will come and fools will go but i suspect BASE as an activity will outlive them all.
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Did you feel the same way about Owen Quinn I wonder and his WTC jump? Do you recall that amazing footage in one of Carl's early films of a jump from (i think) a Houston skyscraper, a two way with one on a square and one on a round. Beautiful day it was judging by the footage? What about Thor Alex and his NYC jumps? How about Dwain and Slim, i've seen a stack of their dayblazing building jumps?
I could go on....and you know it.

I just wonder why you feel it's so different NOW.

Because it IS DIFFERENT NOW!

I have asked the old timers about this and they said when they started, no one seemed to care. And then the bad experiences came from dayblazing buildings. And that's why the universal rule of night jumping started.
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Did you feel the same way about Owen Quinn I wonder and his WTC jump? Do you recall that amazing footage in one of Carl's early films of a jump from (i think) a Houston skyscraper, a two way with one on a square and one on a round. Beautiful day it was judging by the footage? What about Thor Alex and his NYC jumps? How about Dwain and Slim, i've seen a stack of their dayblazing building jumps?
I could go on....and you know it.

I just wonder why you feel it's so different NOW.

Because it IS DIFFERENT NOW!

I have asked the old timers about this and they said when they started, no one seemed to care. And then the bad experiences came from dayblazing buildings. And that's why the universal rule of night jumping started.

Not true, the MAN was there from the beginning with his gun and handcuffs...
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It's different now because you didn't know that the man was there with guns a blazin'.
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It's different now because you didn't know that the man was there with guns a blazin'.

This what the old timers told you?
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Senator Marty Golden is introducing a bill to make it a class D felony offense for those caught BASE....

What is the track record of private bills being actually passed into law in the US and NY?.

The situation in Canada (where I live) would be as follows:

If Senator Marty Golden is in a party that has majority in both chambers, the private bills usually die early in the committes, before even reaching the floor. If he is in minority, then the whole idea would be shot down on principle i.e. the majority always votes down minority bills. The content of the bill does not matter.
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One only needs look at the myriad of laws passed in the U.S. that are stacked on top of pre-existing ones that cover a particular offence. BASE jumping from a private object is already, and always has been, trespassing, plus whatever public endangerment, nuisance, or breech of the peace charges that may be added on.

The way it is now the initial punishment fits the seriousness of the crime and getting caught again, and again, means the punishment escalates accordingly. If you look back in BASE history you'll see the people who had several arrests and convictions like John, Felix, and others, were facing some big consequences. And the thing they all had in common was being pigs at the BASE trough.

Unlike many here on this board I can recall when almost any first offense involving BASE jumping got you a big laugh in court. Judges and prosecutors had no real knowledge of the sport so they didn’t see it as much of a problem. My hometown of San Diego was like that until just fairly recently. From the early 1980s onward there were only two cases of jumpers actually being charged and they were timed pretty far apart. BASE just wasn't on anybodies radar screen and the two or three times I've been caught red handed by the police I was let go. One time a cop actually helped me hide out until the heat was off.

Well, those days are over as everyone knows what BASE is nowadays. And if Sabre210 is irked by the punk attitudes displayed by the Philly ground crew so will any cops, judges, and prosecutors who see it. Oh, and Sabre210, I explained the dynamic between "now" and "then" concerning early BASE films, but I guess you didn't, or don't want to, get it. And as for Dwain, well, he's dead so I’ll keep my opinion to myself.

I didn’t mention Jeb in my original post but I will now, and in a limited way. I consider Jeb a friend and I think I'll get away with it. Jeb is now in the same boat as those before him. If this Wednesday night he's sitting home with nothing to do and decides he feels like going downtown to LA and making a jump he must now stop and consider the legal consequences if by some chance he's caught. Not only would it make national headlines again, they would probably throw the book at him.

Now it wouldn’t matter much if it was only his problem, but it’s not, it's a problem we all have to deal with. Every time there is a high profile BASE "thing" in the news it makes it harder on all the rest of us. I consider the fact I've never been arrested for BASE jumping a "gift" and getting busted is not what I'm thinking about when jumping. I'm thinking about not getting injured or killed, but the more we have to worry about getting busted the less we'll be thinking of the most important thing, which is going home in one piece.

I have no problem with people making BASE vids and either selling them, or passing them around for free, within the BASE community. This "in house" sharing is something we've always done. But if you can’t see the problem with pubic posting of these vids, or using the sport to gain a "name" for yourself, then that's it. Until you learn the lesson for yourself there's nothing more any of us can do except suffer the consequences of your actions.

Sometimes I think we could fix the issue if everyone just chilled out for a while. The public has a short memory and maybe we could turn the clock back, maybe we could convince them the "fad" is over. But in reality the toothpaste is already out of the tube. And history we'll forever remember who the chief "squeezers" were . . .

NickD Smile
BASE 194
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Sometimes I think we could fix the issue if everyone just chilled out for a while. The public has a short memory and maybe we could turn the clock back, maybe we could convince them the "fad" is over. But in reality the toothpaste is already out of the tube. And history we'll forever remember who the chief "squeezers" were . . .

I don't know Nick, there is always going to be those who won't put the cap backon, but in my experience, you can always squeeze out one more drop...


NickD Smile
BASE 194
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Boy do I understand what you are saying. I still treasure those memories of total freedom in the 80ies.
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I think u guys should stop BASE jumping its wrong
and besides u could get hurt
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such a relevation... OMG I can die?
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Re: [NickDG] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Sent this off via snail mail to the office address listed on his web site.

In reply to:
Dear Senator Golden,

I understand that you plan to introduce legislation to classify BASE jumping (parachuting from fixed objects) in New York City as a Class D Felony.

I do not believe that parachuting from a fixed object, harming no one, merits the same penalty as vehicular manslaughter, assault, or various other violent offenses currently treated as class D felonies. Should a parachutist injure another person, or harm their property, or trespass, there are already laws in place to penalize those behaviors. Another law specific to the non-violent and non-harmful parachuting act is unnecessary, and will only serve to create additional bureaucracy, wasting the time and energy of law enforcement and the judiciary, and spending taxpayer dollars that could be put to better use.

I believe that your position on this issue is likely a result of a lack of education regarding the sport of BASE jumping. I understand that it can be difficult to find clear information about BASE, which is a perfectly legal recreational activity pursued by many law abiding citizens.

I invite you to attend any of the BASE jumping courses that I teach here in Twin Falls, Idaho (the site of the vast majority of BASE training in North America). Since I understand that you are a very busy man, I will also extend the offer to any member of your staff who you would like to send on your behalf, to learn about, and help educate you about, the sport of BASE jumping. Of course, unless you or your representative has sufficient pre-requisite skills (usually several hundred airplane skydives), you will not be able to make the actual jumps with the other students, but you would be able to participate in lecture and discussion sessions, and gain a better understanding of the equipment we use, the precautions we take, and the degree of preparation and skill that are necessary to make any fixed object parachute jump.

If you have any questions, or you would like to schedule a time that you can attend a course, please do not hesitate to contact me via email (Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com), telephone (+1.208.420.2602) or US mail (Post Office Box 2493, Twin Falls, ID 83303).

Thank you very much for your time, and I look forward to hearing from you.


Sincerely,



Tom Aiello
Chief Instructor
Snake River BASE Academy
Golden Letter.pdf
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Dear Mr. Aiello,

I would gladly accept your offer to attend your course, however I have already found a more geographically convenient course near my home town.

A very nice man who goes by the name of 'Magot' will be teaching me the ways of your obscure but interesting sport, and will even allow me to make a jump off of a building of my own! (he said something about a 'tard-over'? It sounded something like that)

He will also be teaching me about the culture of the sport's participants, and the customs thereof ('hookers', 'blow', 'beastiality'... any of these things ring a bell?)

Yes, Mr. Aiello, I believe that I am in good hands... I will be recording my entire experience on video and presenting it to congress with my revised bill.

Thank you for your concern for the freedoms that we all enjoy (as long as we first ask uncle sam for permission of course)

Sincerely,
Your Friendly New York Senator Wink
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Might want the course you drag the senator to go by something besides, 'deathcamp'

just a thought.

i mean, i would deathcamp him if he wanted too, but i doubt offering ti would be good for the sport.
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Nice 1!
Let us know how they respond.
Still also don't agree with the 'death camp' denomination. Some BASE jumpers may think differently but whenever I (and most other people)hear the term, the names Auchwitz and the like come to mind. To me BASE and National Socialism should have nothing to do with each other.
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WTF ever... Boo hoo... The cowboy days are over... I'm so sad it now takes skill to do high profile BASE, instead of just cowboys jumping off shit Frown...
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BASE does have it's share of pranksters doing daft things off objects for the glory or for the notoriety but again, I've seen the pogo sticks, skateboards and stilts pranks off el cap in the day. They weren't done in the name of scientific discovery or progress were they.
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I seem to recall they had ropes attached so the objects didn't plunge down the side of the cliff and knock climbers off the wall. After they went they just pulled them back up.
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Yeah they did indeed. Very funny, very amusing jumps they were too, i chuckle every time i see them.
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way to go Corliss... get the ball rolling for us all.
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way to go Corliss... get the ball rolling for us all.

well someone's gotta giver shit.... so we gots some bad media from it.... fuck em all... keep on huckin kids!
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way to go Corliss... get the ball rolling for us all.

Way to go for an old fart that doesn't like base to make it illegal. In a democratic country this shouldn't be happening! Where's the American freedom here, when an individual can be prosecuted for doing something another individual doesn't agree with?
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In a democratic country this shouldn't be happening!

The US has never been a democracy. It's a representative republic. We elect which set of dictators we want every couple of years, and if they piss us off too badly, we vote someone else in next time, or in the case of abraham lincoln and JFK, somebody shoots their ass and expedites the process.

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Well written Tom. Thanks.
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We must come together and fight this. This man must be stopped. We must send as many letters from as many people as possible. I am so sorry everyone, this is not how any of this was suppose to go down. This is is a fight for freedom in a country that's motto is land of the free...

Jeb Corliss



http://www.senatorgolden.com/contact_info.asp

golden@senate.state.ny.us

So you go and day blaze the Empire State Building (only the biggest icon building in NYC) at rush hour traffic in our post 9/11 environment that we now live in, and and you think we should now come together to stop what was inevitable by your selfish actions? We didn't seem to matter to you when you executed your plan.

How did you think it was going to go down? Do you think if you had made the jump that the NY authorities would have thought, "neato"? Do you think that they would have looked the other way? Do you think the media would have revered you as a hero?

Think back to how the NY city mayor responded to Thor Alex and a russian jumper when they jumped some high profile buildings in NY in 1999. He ordered the police to crack down on BASE jumpers. Even if you had gotten away, at the very least you would have made New York City HOT (as in burnage).

But you ended up getting busted and you got yourself a high priced attorney to fight a misdemeanor charge. What did you think was going to happen if you beat the charges? Remember back when Hank Caylor had a building strike in Denver and was also charged with reckless endangerment. He also beat the charges BUT as a result Denver passed a law that specifically made BASE illegal in Denver. Someone also got busted in Atlantic City and it resulted in a law being passed that made BASE jumping illegal there with a very stiff fine. With this history, how could you not know that they might pass a new law?

So I ask again, how did you think it was going to go down? What did you think would happen if you beat the charges like you did? After you were acquitted, even your own lawyer said this in the paper
In reply to:
“I mean, it’s shocking,” Mr. Heller said. “I would assume that somebody is now going to go to the Legislature and say, ‘Hey, we have a little hole in our book here; we’ve got to plug it up.’ ”
article link: http://www.talknyc.net/...uilding-now-allowed/

There are more BASE jumpers in this country that do not post online then those that do. The silent majority is very unhappy about your actions. You don't have a good track record either as you have day blazed other objects to get your picture in the paper so you can be famous. But at least you got to promote your 3triple7 shirts.

You are a glory seeker who has disregard the welfare of local BASE communities just like John Vincent and Felix have. John Vincent was tared and feathered for it. But now since you have set into motion concerns with the New York authorities that will most likely result in a new law (like your own attorney predicted), you actually want us to back you.

I sure hope they don't pass this law for our sakes, not yours. Even if a new law does not come about you have still irreversibly hurt the American BASE scene. I will keep making some jumps in a stealthy way, but the bust factor will be more risky. And the next time a glory seeker day blazes a high profile object, the authorities will consider your fiasco in dealing with it then too. If it ends up being a felony like it's proposed to be and a BASE jumper is out doing a low profile stealthy jump (like how Bs should be done) and ends up getting busted, instead of just getting charged with a misdemeanor, he will have a life changing felony on his record. It will mean he can't even vote.

I agree with Mr. Heller that they will probably plug the legal loophole in NY. If jumpers want to help fight this then they should push for it to be no more than a misdemeanor. The idea that they will just drop it because BASE jumpers say BASE is safe or that there are laws already on the books that will cover these acts is delusional. Mr. Heller himself has shown them that the current laws are not sufficient for the law enforcers to stop what they perceive to be illegal.

Mr Corliss, I read your comments in reply to this article
http://www.brooklyngraphic.com/...1&dept_id=552852

One more thing Jeb, can you please not make it any worse by making arrogant statements like this
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Lets try to help people who really need it. But if you think you can use fear to control me, well you need to think about the person you are dealing with. I jump off buildings and dive with man eating sharks. How scared of you do you really think I am...



I remember a time when BASE jumpers maintained a harmony with the police. We stay stealthy and most of them didn't care that we jumped.

Your right Nick, those days are over.
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Golden’s law would create a class D felony for reckless endangerment for any individual jumping off a typical BASE structure five floors or higher.


no rocket man either. Unimpressed
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well said.
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Glad to see a base jumper post what I have been wanting to say for a longtime, when I saw the news story about this, I couldn't believe someone could be so fucking stupid to try that B in a post 9-11 world, and in the daytime at that. When news reported there was a tipoff I didn't think much of it, now I'm thinking Jeb was telling someone, and they thought "what a fuckhead, he's going bring the heat on all of us seeking glory" and they dropped a dime on him. But look at the bright he got all the free publicity for the his show and base jumping at the same time, maybe base can be mainstreamed next...Crazy
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Is a night jump possible for that particular object? I doubt it. Maybe it was supposed to be a stunt junkies episode, that was based on the fact that if it didn't work out they had to fire him and deny everything. Do you think he put up all the money for everything? Fat suit, camera's, man hours. Maybe?
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Is a night jump possible for that particular object?


No, unless you could find a hideout till after close.

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Maybe it was supposed to be a stunt junkies episode,

With all the money they spend to do some of the lame things they do, why not just spend enough to do the E legit as a show then? For the right price everything is for sale in NYC. (or anywhere for that matter) But all this time I wondered what most basers thought of this, seems there are some who think cool and some that think what a fucknut. I'm in the second camp.
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>>Is a night jump possible for that particular object?<<

I made reference to this in a thread sometime back, and nobody seemed to pick up on it . . .

ESB Observation Deck Hours:
Open daily 365 days a year.
Sunday - Wednesday 8:00 am to Midnight. Last elevators go up at 11:15 pm.
Thursday - Saturday 8:00 am to 2:00 am. Last elevators go up at 1:15 am.

There is also a clue buried (sort of) in the BASE Fatality List if you read closely enough . . .

NickD Smile
BASE 194
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Obviously his plan wasn't that great since security was able to handcuff him to the rail, but I figure if his plan was good enough to get on and off without much notice, and daytime was the only time possible, then it would have been cool as hell.

As far as stunt junkies, maybe the stunt was to show how a base jumper would approach an object, anylize acesss and the jump and then perform that. Buying the access doesn't really work for most of us.

From what Nick says it sounds like there are definitely better times to do it. My choice would be a Thursday night.
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if his plan was good enough to get on and off without much notice, and daytime was the only time possible, then it would have been cool as hell.

Jumping off the empire state building in downtown new york during rush hour... with security already chasing his ass.. yea... sounds like nobody wouldve been the wiser..... Crazy

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As far as stunt junkies, maybe the stunt was to show how a base jumper would approach an object, anylize acesss and the jump and then perform that. Buying the access doesn't really work for most of us.

and why would you possibly care if people understand how we analyze and access objects? so you can feel like a fucking james bond ninja? congratulations, now they'll know how we do it...
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God damn that's funny. . . .

Cheers,

JP
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just land on top of the fucker at 4 am from a skydive and then base off it doesnt take 5 brain cells to figure this out

and the ESB is for kids the UN building is where the glory is at come on kids it will make u famous
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I don't care if people know how Jeb planned on accessing the ESB, because it shouldn't take a fucking james bond ninja. For all I know he could have gone right to the top with his rig in a bag and hopped off only having to worry about potentially landing in traffic and then hooking up with his ground crew.
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he could have gone right to the top with his rig in a bag a

have you ever been to esb? what the hell are you talking about.
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I don't care if people know how Jeb planned on accessing the ESB, because it shouldn't take a fucking james bond ninja. For all I know he could have gone right to the top with his rig in a bag and hopped off only having to worry about potentially landing in traffic and then hooking up with his ground crew.

You are utterly clueless about the topic on which you have chosen to expound.
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and u have how many base jumps gold smith my be off his rocker but at least he base jumps
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and u have how many base jumps gold smith my be off his rocker but at least he base jumps

I groundcrewed Thor Alex's jump.

Oh wait. That wasn't your question. I have five jumps from NRGB. No big deal.

But I still know more about the ESB than Mr. Goldsmith.
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Avenphoto you left out the "For all I know" which I figured people would understand as me saying I don't know jack about the ESB.

Rhonda, same thing. Somehow you missed that. I was just saying that I figured it was probably only possible in the day time. It turned out I was wrong and this could have been done stealthier, but you don't know his ulteriour motives either.

Not that this excuses hiim from fault, but it could have been for a show or a movie. He is a professional BASE jumper. That means he gets paid to base jump and he has a shit load of jealous fans.
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Avenphoto you left out the "For all I know" which I figured people would understand as me saying I don't know jack about the ESB.

Rhonda, same thing. Somehow you missed that. I was just saying that I figured it was probably only possible in the day time. It turned out I was wrong and this could have been done stealthier, but you don't know his ulteriour motives either.

I didn't miss anything.

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Not that this excuses hiim from fault, but it could have been for a show or a movie. He is a professional BASE jumper. That means he gets paid to base jump and he has a shit load of jealous fans.

Words of wisdom:

http://www.brainyquote.com/...marktwain122650.html
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Words of wisdom:

http://www.brainyquote.com/...marktwain122650.html

Laugh Quality!!
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Atleast you didn't call me stupid head.
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I read "for all I know" as "I really dont have a clue what im talking about but i can't control the urge to puke nonsense out of my mouth and onto my keyboard, so just feel free to ignore or flame whatever follows...." Crazy
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In reply to:
We must come together and fight this. This man must be stopped. We must send as many letters from as many people as possible. I am so sorry everyone, this is not how any of this was suppose to go down. This is is a fight for freedom in a country that's motto is land of the free...

Jeb Corliss



http://www.senatorgolden.com/contact_info.asp

golden@senate.state.ny.us

So you go and day blaze the Empire State Building (only the biggest icon building in NYC) at rush hour traffic in our post 9/11 environment that we now live in, and and you think we should now come together to stop what was inevitable by your selfish actions? We didn't seem to matter to you when you executed your plan.

How did you think it was going to go down? Do you think if you had made the jump that the NY authorities would have thought, "neato"? Do you think that they would have looked the other way? Do you think the media would have revered you as a hero?

Think back to how the NY city mayor responded to Thor Alex and a russian jumper when they jumped some high profile buildings in NY in 1999. He ordered the police to crack down on BASE jumpers. Even if you had gotten away, at the very least you would have made New York City HOT (as in burnage).

But you ended up getting busted and you got yourself a high priced attorney to fight a misdemeanor charge. What did you think was going to happen if you beat the charges? Remember back when Hank Caylor had a building strike in Denver and was also charged with reckless endangerment. He also beat the charges BUT as a result Denver passed a law that specifically made BASE illegal in Denver. Someone also got busted in Atlantic City and it resulted in a law being passed that made BASE jumping illegal there with a very stiff fine. With this history, how could you not know that they might pass a new law?

So I ask again, how did you think it was going to go down? What did you think would happen if you beat the charges like you did? After you were acquitted, even your own lawyer said this in the paper
In reply to:
“I mean, it’s shocking,” Mr. Heller said. “I would assume that somebody is now going to go to the Legislature and say, ‘Hey, we have a little hole in our book here; we’ve got to plug it up.’ ”
article link: http://www.talknyc.net/...uilding-now-allowed/

There are more BASE jumpers in this country that do not post online then those that do. The silent majority is very unhappy about your actions. You don't have a good track record either as you have day blazed other objects to get your picture in the paper so you can be famous. But at least you got to promote your 3triple7 shirts.

You are a glory seeker who has disregard the welfare of local BASE communities just like John Vincent and Felix have. John Vincent was tared and feathered for it. But now since you have set into motion concerns with the New York authorities that will most likely result in a new law (like your own attorney predicted), you actually want us to back you.

I sure hope they don't pass this law for our sakes, not yours. Even if a new law does not come about you have still irreversibly hurt the American BASE scene. I will keep making some jumps in a stealthy way, but the bust factor will be more risky. And the next time a glory seeker day blazes a high profile object, the authorities will consider your fiasco in dealing with it then too. If it ends up being a felony like it's proposed to be and a BASE jumper is out doing a low profile stealthy jump (like how Bs should be done) and ends up getting busted, instead of just getting charged with a misdemeanor, he will have a life changing felony on his record. It will mean he can't even vote.

I agree with Mr. Heller that they will probably plug the legal loophole in NY. If jumpers want to help fight this then they should push for it to be no more than a misdemeanor. The idea that they will just drop it because BASE jumpers say BASE is safe or that there are laws already on the books that will cover these acts is delusional. Mr. Heller himself has shown them that the current laws are not sufficient for the law enforcers to stop what they perceive to be illegal.

Mr Corliss, I read your comments in reply to this article
http://www.brooklyngraphic.com/...1&dept_id=552852

One more thing Jeb, can you please not make it any worse by making arrogant statements like this
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Lets try to help people who really need it. But if you think you can use fear to control me, well you need to think about the person you are dealing with. I jump off buildings and dive with man eating sharks. How scared of you do you really think I am...



I remember a time when BASE jumpers maintained a harmony with the police. We stay stealthy and most of them didn't care that we jumped.

Your right Nick, those days are over.


Basejumper, you're spot on with this one.

A lot of base jumpers seem to forgive Jeb's destructive antics because he has achieved a huge level of fame and success through base jumping. I, for one, have written a few positive posts on Jeb's ESB attempt and now wish I hadn't after having reread your post on this thread.

Thanks,
Mike Pelkey
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Well boys, it was a nice twenty eight year run.

BASE 194

Nice for you... what about us still working for our first BASE jump? :-(
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I just think your just pissed because you will never be 1/10th the BASE jumper that Jeb is...
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I just think your just pissed because you will never be 1/10th the BASE jumper that Jeb is...

That made me laugh out loud. Are you familiar with Mike's history? He and Jeb have very different jumping stories, but I'm not going to even try to speculate as to which is "more".

Mike deserves tremendous respect. When was the last time that you opened not just an object, but an entire possibility?
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I just think your just pissed because you will never be 1/10th the BASE jumper that Jeb is...

Respect your elders man, come on now...
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Get a clue....dude.
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I just think your just pissed because you will never be 1/10th the BASE jumper that Jeb is...

Don't worry KID, it's not your fault that no one has spelled it all out for you.

One of these days you might get it.
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Nothing against you Mike. You did what you did and you do what you do! Very commendable! BUT don't give Jeb shit. It's a bunch of shit that what happened happened. He didn't endanger anyone. PERIOD!

What you did from El Cap endangered no one and now it's illegal! A BUNCH OF CRAP!!!

BASE jumping truly represents freedom. I realize the dangers and it's still my choice a true choice as to jump or not.

WE don't risk others, PERIOD! We risk ourselves and that is our choice. It's not about suicide, it's not about a roll of the dice. Everyone one of us do it to live, not to die. What logic deems it to be illegal???
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Re: [tfelber] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
(i used to be a avid climber, mostly trad/big climbs)

as i talk with guys from big walls, half of them think BASE is amazing and want to try it, (they climb to be free, and then see base, and say, 'whoa, im weak') the other half are freaked out, and say that one day we are going to hit them and kill them in freefall!!!! i kinda see that they are scared of that, anyone who has heard the sound of rockfall at terminal while hanging onto a wall 500' off the ground knows how they feel. but they just cant see...
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Re: [WI-Fly] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
You just told more about yourself than I think you wanted to...

"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

-=Raistlin
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Re: [WI-Fly] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Pelkey
Maybe you should read up a little.....
And tfelber..he endangered lives all right, the ones we live as base jumpers..
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you got a point..
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DoooooooD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: [mfnren] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
I know who he is and what he did, I have already read all that, I just think overall Jeb is the best and there is nothing wrong with that, besides, this is all just MY thoughts, I can't understand why you people get so defensive about it, it is not like I don't think Mike is not good or did nothing for the sport.........
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Re: [tfelber] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
In reply to:
BASE jumping truly represents personal freedom.
Wink
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Re: [leroydb] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Is there a difference in being the best jumper, and being a jumper that cares about other jumpers the best?

I agree Jeb does sick aerials, but you can't say that he is the nicest, most helpful, friendly, or ethical jumper in the land...
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Re: [WI-Fly] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
In reply to:
I just think overall Jeb is the best and there is nothing wrong with that, besides, this is all just MY thoughts, I can't understand why you people get so defensive about it

ever listen to sport junkies?
"I love the Cowboys!"
"What!? Are you kidding? They stink!"

I guess it's no different here. you stated a strong preference and others chose to disagree...
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Re: [WI-Fly] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
What does it mean to be the "best" jumper..? I guess I don't really get it..the idoltry.
There are so many talented jumpers out there. So much sick shit goes on, most of it never on video.
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Re: [mfnren] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
well said Smile
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In reply to:
There are so many talented jumpers out there. So much sick shit goes on, most of it never on video.

agreed. a lot of it is on video, it just, doesnt get thrown on youtube to get those one line comments "sick!" where can i pay to do that?!"

I dont mean this in a sarcastic way, i dont mean this to piss anyone off, but i think that pretty much any of us, given the oportunities that jeb had, could have done just as well or better.


I know that I have jumped with the best BASE jumpers in the world.
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Re: [WI-Fly] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
never overlook the gnarly wingsuit flights that take place without much notice. Jeb seems to have a nice financial backing to be able to document all the shit he does. Yea, he is a sick jumper, but there are alot of other sick jumpers too.
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So Mike, I had a conversation with someone who explained how Jeb's jump affected him. He made a lot of good points and believes Jeb should be ostracized for his action and it's effects. As I said previously, his actions have not impacted my jumping, I'm not really an urban jumper, but I now realize there are jumpers out there who were impacted by his apparent disregard of the long term effect of his actions.

This jumper also felt I was overly harsh in my statement about not giving Jeb shit. As I mentioned in my previous post my statements were not directed at you, but apparently I was not clear enough. I would like to apologize for coming across so harsh.
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Re: [tfelber] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
WE don't risk others, PERIOD! We risk ourselves and that is our choice. It's not about suicide, it's not about a roll of the dice. Everyone one of us do it to live, not to die. What logic deems it to be illegal???
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For the most part I agree with you. On most objects this is the case. But I have to disagree with you when it comes to a building during rush hour. Although unlikely, if he were to have a mal or strike he could endanger an innocent person walking down the street. Again unlikely but possible.

And I can assure you that if something like that ever does happen things are going to get a whole lot hotter.

. . . .I hope it never does.

Be safe out there.

JP
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In reply to:
For the most part I agree with you. On most objects this is the case. But I have to disagree with you when it comes to a building during rush hour. Although unlikely, if he were to have a mal or strike he could endanger an innocent person walking down the street. Again unlikely but possible.

You noticed that the recent suicide didn't hit the street, right?
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Re: [Bigwallmaster] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
i think he means the departed really sucked at sub-terminal tracking.
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Recently someone commited suicide by jumping off the observation deck at the ESB. They didn't impact the street or sidewalk or anywhere there might be pedestrians. They impacted the roof of a lower level of the building. No danger to pedestrians. If some very, very rare reason Jeb went in with nothing out, I don't think he'd have been a danger to any pedestrians either.
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Re: [Ten48] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
You don't think but it's still a possibility.
There is also a possibility that despite his experience he may have hurt someone on landing.
Even if you don't think it would happen, the possibility still exists it may happen.
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we are talking possibility, not probability... we all understand the difference correct?
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In reply to:
we all understand the difference correct?

prossibably Smile
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good.
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Re: [pocbase] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
There's a possiblity he could sprout wings, too, but it'd be pretty rare and has never happened (as no one doing a building jump has ever killed an innocent bystander), so...
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we have to look at it from the law peoples point of view. there is 200 pounds worth of meat and plastic going 120 mph at a street full of people, and parachutes dont always work terribly well.
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Re: [Calvin19] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
The law has already said I was no danger to anyone :) I already won that case remember :)

I love the empire, they have given my life so much more purpose...
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i was talking from a global perspective... not just your incident. Tongue
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And when we, the BASE jumpers as a whole start saying, "Yeah, there's a chance I might kill an innocent bystander down there. Oh well. 3-2-1 C-ya!" we've seriously hampered ourselves in the eyes of your law.

I'm pretty sure I won't be killing any innocent bystanders, as I am pretty sure I'm not going to be sprouting wings. My parachute works pretty well. If I didn't think so, I wouldn't be jumping.
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Let's put it this way, the chances of my parachute not opening and me squashing someone on the ground is about as likely as the brakes in your car going out on your way to work tomorrow and you squashing someone on the sidewalk.

The biggest difference between the two things is peoples brakes have actually gone out in their cars and people have been squashed because of it. In the 1,500 year history of people jumping off structures with parachute like devices not once has a person been squashed or even injured because of the fixed object jumper...

Jeb

P.S. for the historians out there, base jumping came long before skydiving. It is much more ancient then most people realize...
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In reply to:
P.S. for the historians out there, base jumping came long before skydiving. It is much more ancient then most people realize...

Yeah, I've never been that good at history. But I did realize that rocks have been around longer than airplanes.
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no it didnt. skydiving came first. people were jumping out of airplanes in the 5th century. duh.

and i agree, it never has, and PROBABLY never will happen.

but lets go tell the guvment that and see what they think.

one reason they say aireal delivery is illegal in NPs is that we might kill someone by hitting them.

Hiking and climbing re 1,000,000 times more likely to cause a civilian injury than a BASE jumper.
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Re: [Calvin19] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
how many people have been killed by someone else landing a parachute on them? very unlikely indeed. we hurt ourselves not others.
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How many building jumps have been made during rush hour in major cities? (Not trying to be a smartass--I honestly don't know. My impression is that most are made at night, or at least at very low-traffic times.) If there have been relatively few, it seems like it weakens the argument that because no one on the ground has ever been crushed by a jumper doing a building jump, the chances of that happening must be remote. If there have been thousands of building jumps but most have been made at times when the streets below are mostly empty and only very few have been made in major cities during rush hour, I don't think you can properly use the results from the jumps made in low traffic times to predict the probability of an accident resulting in inury or death of someone on the ground from a jump made during a peak traffic time period in a very crowded city.

Also, it appears the judge in your case was impressed with how you had studied traffic patterns so that you could time your jump and if all went well, land in a lull. But did anyone (like the prosecutor) point out to the judge that if you had had a mal, you easily could have been completely out of your timing pattern and landed when there was lots of traffic below, and you possibly traveling at high speed? Did anyone point out that, even as skilled as you are, unexpected shit does happen in BASE, and in fact, has happened to you before, like when you had that off-heading at the waterfall and you hit the falls and your canopy collapsed and you pounded in at pretty high speed?

My point here is that even though you planned everything very well so that the risks to others would be minimized, all that planning appears to have had as one major assumption that all would go according to plan, that you would not have a malfunction or an off-heading resulting in an object strike and a high-speed (or at least uncontrolled) impact. But generally people don't plan on having a problem. They may plan FOR it, but they don't plan ON it. And it seems to me that given the very real possibility that shit easily COULD have gone awry and your awesome plan easily could have become irrelevant, if the judge ruled that as a matter of law your conduct was not reckless because you are skilled and put a lot of planning into it, the judge erred and should have at least let the case proceed to a trial before a jury. Kudos to your lawyer for getting you off, but if the judge really did conclude that because you are skilled and put so much planning into the jump you could not have been a danger to anyone, the judge doesn't know much about BASE.
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Re: [jonege] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
 
What makes you think I was going to open my parachute over people? I was going to be jumping from over 1,000 ft high. Do you have any idea how far a person can track with tracking pants and jacket?

Let me put it this way, there is a cliff in europe that matches the empire almost exactly. Same hight, same ledge system, same small two lane road at the bottom. I have over 60 jumps from this cliff and when I jump it, I track over the ledge system over the two lane road and I open my parachute over a small field. So at empire i would have tracked over it's ledge system, over the two lane road and opened over the roof of the building across the street. Had my parachute not opened I would have impacted the roof of the building across the street hurting no one but my self :)

I truly believe and live by the concept that your right to swing your arm ends where another persons nose begins. Hurting your self is one thing, but hurting others is completely unacceptable...
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Again, though, all of that assumes everything went according to your plan, at least up to the point of opening. But unexpected shit happens in freefall, as well. You could have easily hit unexpected turbulence that would have prevented you from opening where you had intended. Additionally, I work in a highrise office tower and see work crews on the roofs of adjacent buildings all the time. So even if you did open over an adjacent building and slam into the roof, you could still take out someone else.

My point is not that you are some callous asshole with no regard for others. My point, is that there is so much uncertainty in BASE and so many variables in that situation over which you had no control (unpredictable movements of cars and people on the streets and in the surrounding buildings, funky windshear, stuck traffic signals, etc.) that you can't say you posed no risk to anyone else, certainly not as a matter of law, which is what it appears the judge effectively ruled in tossing the indictment.

If you really are committed to avoiding injury to others as a result of your actions, why did you choose to jump during rush hour? You could have timed the lights at any other time of day, and the observation deck is open all day and well into the evening (maybe weekends, too?). You could have easily chosen a time when there would be far fewer people around on the ground, thereby reducing the chances of injuring someone else if everything did go to shit. But instead you chose one of the very busiest times of the day when the volume of people on the ground was near its daily peak. How come?
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This will be the last post I make publicly about this subject.

The day was selected because of the perfect wind conditions. The jump could only be done in a safe manner with wind between 5 to 10 mph coming from the north. I was slated to jump the building the week before but the winds were 13 mph out of the south making the jump unsafe so we pushed the jump to a later time when winds were favorable for the jump.

The next week we got a perfect steady wind blowing from the north at 8 mph. Perfect wind for a tiptoe landing.

I chose rush hour on purpose. I had watched the traffic patterns for days at all different times. Rush hour was the best time because it creates grid lock. When the cars finally start moving again they move very slow.

The lights on 5th ave turn red all at the exact same time affectively shutting the whole road down for 45 seconds. That time is extended during rush hour. The time it would have taken me to jump, track over the roof of the building across the street, open and then land would have been under 30 seconds. Giving me plenty of time to get to a side walk.

There are also outs everywhere. There were roofs with huge open spaces to land on all over the place.

Park ave is a 5 lane road and the space between cars is huge. I have landed in worse traffic on much smaller roads. I have also landing in an area the size of 4 king sized mattresses in the middle of 300,000 people.

I have zero doubt that I would have landed safely and could have given you a high five as i was doing it.

Think of what it's like to land with an 8 mph head wind? How hard is that landing on a 265?

Also I didn't have to prove in court that I wasn't going to hurt anyone. All I had to prove was that i didn't have a depraved indifference to human life. The fact is I had done nothing wrong but the prosecution wanted to still punish me. So they charged me with something they knew they couldn't make stick. To cost me money.

That is pretty much all it came down to. They wanted to punish me by making me hire lawyers and making me defend my self against a totally bogus charge. They could have charged me with murder and they would have just about as good a chance of getting me on it.

But don't worry, to all those who think I was unpunished or deserve to be punished worse, this will make you feel better. A failed attempt at the empire state building has cost me close to half a million dollars.

I had to spend all my lives savings to defend my self against a total bullshit charge and now they are trying to sue me for 12 million dollars which actually kind of makes me happy :) You see the empire will have to spend allot of money to find out I am broke :) They will not even be able to cover there lawyers fees with what they can get from me :) So there will be a little justice there...

Jeb

P.S. just so you know, what you have seen on video is only a very small portion of my jumps. The major majority of my base jumps have not been filmed. Trust me when I say I know the risks of what I do. I don't need a lesson from you...
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Holy Fuck Jeb, who would have thought so many of these guys were on there periods?????????
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Re: [WI-Fly] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
WI-Fly: You are like that annoying crane fly, a.k.a "mosquito eaters", attempting to fly but more or less just bumbling along my apartment walls with no real motive other than to annoy.
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Re: [nicrussell] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Nic, that's a personal attack. Consider this your one warning.
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Re: [WI-Fly] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
dude... you forgot to remind us that he is the best BASE jumper, in your expert opinion, that is.Tongue
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In reply to:
WI-Fly: You are like that annoying crane fly, a.k.a "mosquito eaters", attempting to fly but more or less just bumbling along my apartment walls with no real motive other than to annoy.

If only the really ate mosquitos, they'd have a purpose. There are a bunch of annoying crane flies in my home right now.
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Re: [mfnren] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Don't have too, you already knew that...
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In reply to:
WI-Fly: You are like that annoying crane fly, a.k.a "mosquito eaters", attempting to fly but more or less just bumbling along my apartment walls with no real motive other than to annoy.

Sorry.

I can't believe that was a personal attack,

Let's face facts, this guy since he registered at DZ.com consitantly posts some stupid shit in the Base Zone.

-> like, oh say a thread looking for BASE 3919 and 1784....

-> Oh and totaly, worshiping any jumper he's seen on You-tube cause he doesn't know dick about the history of BASE jumping?

How about stupid posts like this;
http://www.dropzone.com/...post=2762016#2762016
Which is in this thread no less!

Enlighten us with more of your wisdom WI-Fly... like the following.

In reply to:
Jeb is the man, along with Chris, those two are the best out there. I was hoping he could land a wingsuit within a few years. They should be on Stunt Junkies and shows like that more...those guys should both do EL Cap..

Nic, on the money.... and the simile was good, polite, but good.

Maybe it is cause I have made my last few jumps with Magot, but I give up.

WI-Fly you are a fucking idiot. Shut the Fuck up.

Now, that's a personal attack.

_justin
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Re: [jdatc] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Yeah Justin..... I love you more every day! I got your back, Ban me with him Tom 'cause I agree.

Hey Jeb, I understrand your reasoning as I've timed NYC lights at night and those Fukcing cabs haul balls on the green. There is no safe time when the streets are empty. But dammit brother, take that crap to chicago or something cause NYC is a heaven that should be respected.

PS: that base ordinance best not pass or it's commin' out of your ass
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Re: [jeb] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Fair enough. It still seems to me that the jump would have posed less risk to others if it has been done well after rush hour, but your point about the movement of traffic (or lack of movement) at rush hour also makes sense.

As for your current predicament with the civil suit, it you really don't have anything left for them to take and are effectively judgment proof at this point, you might check with your lawyer about the possibility of just completely not defending the suit and taking a default judgment and then taking a personal bankruptcy to have the judgment discharged. I know that used to be possible, but when they revamped the bankruptcy code a year or so ago, they may have eliminated that possibility. If not, it would be something to think about because you wouldn't have the huge legal bills you will rack up if you defend the suit.

Thanks for responding. I don't necessarily agree with all of your views on this matter, but I do appreciate you discussing it. Good luck to you.
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derrr.. thats the point. We fuckin got it the 1st time, you don't have to keep reminding us that you've seen a couple videos and have come to the conclusion, with no practical experience, who you think are the best base jumpers out there. Many of us are friends with and have jumped with your man crushes.They are talented jumpers,I don't argue that, what i'm saying is you come off like a complete poser..Like basehoundsam said "get a life" go actually make some jumps.
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Re: [jdatc] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Justin,

I've banned you from this forum for 14 days for the personal attack. But I'm sure you knew that.
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Re: [TomAiello] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
All,

Please try to keep this thread on topic. I've purged a bunch of random off topic comments, and some pointless personal attacks, out of it.


WI-Fly,

I'd seriously recommend reconsidering the way you are posting to this forum. If you really want to get into BASE, you should start considering how you're going to relate to other jumpers (the people you're going to need to approach for help). Your postings here have not exactly shown that you've done any significant research, or put any thought into this.

I've left several posts in this thread that contain personal attacks. I've done that on purpose. I encourage you to read them and consider why people are saying these things, and also to realize that 99% of the BASE jumpers reading this forum are thinking the same things (but are too well mannered, or at least respectful of the forum rules, to say them here).

If you do want to post things that are substantively similar to most of your comments here, I recommend doing so in the comments section of Youtube, where they are probably appropriate.

Thanks!
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Re: [TomAiello] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
That's cool. I was saying to a couple other guys though that it is does not make sense to call me a poser because like any pro sport that any person likes, most people do not partake in them. Millions watch the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL and NASCAR to name a few. Like most, we like to boast our favorite and slam the teams or players we do not like....with all the other sports, people just take it with a grain of salt but something here makes people so pissed off, I can't even understand it....like me, I love NASCAR too but am I a poser for watching it, having a favortie team of drivers and bragging about there stats, yet I have never raced? No, I am not, I am a fan of that sport, just like BASE. I got many old videos and new DVD's and read a lot of magizine articles way before youtube....I have been interested in it for 4 to 5 years but I am and the last 4 1/2 years have been in the Navy and before that I was too young so that is my reason, not excuse for not having done it. So if I pissed anyone off, let it go, it's just words on a webpage..........One last thing, this is not an insult to BASE but it seems it would be much easier to get into and become a pro BASE jumper then a pro racer or footballer or any of those sports....like I said, not an insult but the truth...
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To most of us, BASE is not a spectator sport. So, to us, the idea of being a BASE "fan" just seems absurd.

This forum isn't intended as a "fan" site. It's a discussion forum intended for people who either participate or wish to participate in the sport itself. The idea is to discuss, educate, and generally socialize with other jumpers.

In other words, what you are doing is a bit like walking into the drivers locker room at a NASCAR race, and talking smack about them to their faces, or talking up other drivers. In general, people don't like to be treated like pictures on baseball cards, and that's the way that you appear to be treating us. Remember that BASE jumpers are real people, and those real people are really reading and posting here. The guy writing the posts as "jeb" really is Jeb. It's not his agent, or his publicist.

When you talk to real people, or about them to people who are their real friend, as if they were larger than life cardboard cutouts, that's usually going to come across as creepy and somewhat stalker-esque.
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Re: [WI-Fly] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
This is not a fucking team sport! This is not NASCAR, not NFL or any of that other lame-assed crap. In fact BASE is NOT a sport at all as far as I am concerned. It is an activity, it is beautiful, it can consume you, it will take you to your highest highs and your lowest lows. BASE is more like a hard drug addiction than anything else.
Those that act like BASE is some competetive sport are the rejects trying to make their existence seem to have some kind of meaning. More and more this is the type that is entering BASE.
If you actually (unlikely) get to a point where you are BASE jumping I hope you can mature a whole lot or there will be few people but the fuckheads and rejects that are gonna want to be anywhere near you including your idols.
Seriously, you HAVE TO BE A TROLL since I find it hard to believe anyone could come by your lack of understanding honestly.
Now go play with your GI Joe or something for fuck's sake.
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Re: [TomAiello] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
In reply to:
To most of us, BASE is not a spectator sport. So, to us, the idea of being a BASE "fan" just seems absurd.

AMEN!
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In reply to:
One last thing, this is not an insult to BASE but it seems it would be much easier to get into and become a pro BASE jumper then a pro racer or footballer or any of those sports....like I said, not an insult but the truth...


A question to consider/ponder: Are you looking to become a BASE Star or a BASE Fatality?

Personally I'd focus on staying alive... I'd rather be alive than be a star. BASE is not about being a Star... It's an ultra-personal experience...
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Tom and the majority of the BASE jumpers on the site are on the money. BASE is nothing like NASCAR or any other sport. Until you've actually done it, you really can't understand it. I think Hunter Thompson said something like you'll never know what it's like to go over the edge until you do it.
Rick
"If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much space."
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In reply to:
to us, the idea of being a BASE "fan" just seems absurd.

are you fucking kidding me??? BASE groupies kick ass!!!! i know a girl that comes with us all the time, just to watch. she will never do it. in her myspace profile it reads "Vicarious BASE jumping"... if thats not a BASE fan, i dont know what is.

a lot of them are super hot. gotta watch out though, keep your distance... a lot of BASE groupies carry the crotch crickets.
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Re: [Calvin19] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
LaughLaughLaughLaugh
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In reply to:
I'd seriously recommend reconsidering the way you are posting to this forum. If you really want to get into BASE, you should start considering how you're going to relate to other jumpers (the people you're going to need to approach for help). Your postings here have not exactly shown that you've done any significant research, or put any thought into this.

He won't have to worry, he'll just flash a Gold Card at someone and get gear and an FJC, and make the "proBASEer" goal in 4 weeks.
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Dude, that's your sister Crazy
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Re: [swanmaestro] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
haha... yeah. annes says that. but she also specifies that she is NOT a groupie!, she is a band-aid.

groupies are fair game.
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Re: [WI-Fly] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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it would be much easier to get into and become a pro BASE jumper then a pro racer or footballer or any of those sports....like I said, not an insult but the truth...

as others have said, that is not what BASE is about. I'm not a huge fan of posts declaring xxx is the best BASE jumper, or even better than yyy.

rarely does a video of one of my jumps look very extraordinary. so?

but you are also making a very broad statement. you'd be amazed how easy it can be to become a "pro" athelete. there are many "semi-pro" or "minor league" ways to earn that title. the money earned may never cover their costs, but they still earn something...

but if you fixate on joining the elite of BASE, you probably will not make it. injuries will stop you. instead, focus on enjoying each and every jump with a very detailed eye on safety.
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Re: [wwarped] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
exactly.
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Re: [Calvin19] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
we are talking possibility, not probability... we all understand the difference correct?

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Yes I understand the difference. Nevertheless this is an added consideration for any daytime object where an unknowing, innocent bystander could be jeopardized.


. . . .we can all only imagine the negative press it would generate. So for the good of the sport everyone needs to be very mindful of this possibility and the potential consequences.

It kinda raises the question whether or not high profile, daytime B's like ESB are really good for the sport? Perhaps it's better for everyone to stick to the old classics that can be easily done at night.

Be safe.

JP
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Re: [Bigwallmaster] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
In reply to:
Perhaps it's better for everyone to stick to the old classics that can be easily done at night.

That would be boring as hell.
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Re: [Tornolf] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Yeah that's true.

Perhaps I should edit that to say buildings that can be done at night.Wink
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Re: [SabreDave] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Well I like to skateboard too and that is not a team activity...
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Re: [WI-Fly] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
it used to be. check out lords of dogtown.
but what the hell is your point. this isnt a skateboarding forum. if your trying to compare BASE jumping and skateboarding, dont waste our time, or any more of yours for that matter. please crawl away, er skate.
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Re: [nicrussell] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
yeah nic! tell it to em!
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Re: [nicrussell] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
already seen it dumbass.......and that is not the same shit...
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Re: [WI-Fly] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Enough, already.

WI-Fly, I'm banning you from this forum for 14 days. Please use that time to reconsider how you post here.

Nic, I'm banning you for 7 days. I realize that you're pretty much just giving voice to what everyone is thinking, but we do have to have some rules and basic civility here.
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Re: [TomAiello] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
You're banning Nic for that?

Is that all it takes any more?
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Re: [TomAiello] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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Nic, I'm banning you for 7 days

Seriously... LaughLaughLaugh
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Re: [hookitt] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Damn, I just read the last coupla pages.

Is Tom bringing on the smackdown or what. Cool
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Re: [stitch] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Perhaps, I dont' really care but seeing my buddy nic was banned cracked me up. Speaking of crane flies, nic and I were flying off a crane soon after the post I made from his computer.

Posted and still had time to jump.

Good times.
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Re: [hookitt] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
had any good bacon lately? and have you seen that movie lords of dogtown? farkin schweet! im going rollerblading now.
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Re: [hookitt] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
In reply to:
that remark cracked me up.
Probably not as much as "Hulk Hogan" doin' rollovers off the deck at SDH cracked Clint and me up. LaughLaughShocked
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Re: [hookitt] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Nic wasn't banned for the crane fly comment. He was banned for continuing after I warned him specifically, and I warned everyone, generally.

This thread is, in theory, about something other than the user "WI-Fly" and his general feelings about BASE jumping and BASE jumpers.

Honestly, after hearing from lots of people about this, it seems to me that Nic is probably one of the people who is least put out about it.

Let's move on.
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Re: [avenfoto] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
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had any good bacon lately? and have you seen that movie lords of dogtown? farkin schweet! im going rollerblading now.

Yes and yes... thanks! It just so happens my avatar in another forum, is a Lords of Dogtown logo. (Edit: and now this one)
Lords Of Dogtown.jpg
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Re: [TomAiello] Warning - The Entire U.S. is Hot . . .
Seriously Tom, I don't care. If that was offensive to you then my apologies. nic is my friend so it was funny that mild mannered nic was temporarily put off the board... I still think it's funny.

By the way is my dvd in the mail yet?