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what would constitute a proper exit point gear check?

for yourself or someone else? I check my 3 rings, cable routing, velcro/pin tension, chest and leg straps are tight and routed correctly. I also keep my PC stowed until I'm geared up, then take it out for handheld or staticline (that way I know i couldn't have wrapped my bridle around a legstrap or something). Also I check my bridle routing about half a dozen times prior to exit.

I ask people if they checked their 3rings and visually check for twists in their harness and proper leg & chest strap routing. I always check their bridle routing as I've yet to have someone to tell me to fuckoff while doing so. I'll ask how they feel or if they want checked their pins too.

If I swapped a PC or something I double check for symmetrical attachment at exit (or prior to climb) as well.


...but if you've taken a FJC, or even groundcrewed a few times, you should already know this.

do it on the ground for the most part before climbing. at exit,

"""""leg straps, chest strap, pilot chute, balls,''''''''''''

i cant take credit for that, its deadmans check. i use it every jump now.

At the last Turkey Boogie, I gave a pin check at the exit point and found both her three rings were hooked up wrong. She had been given pin checks throughout the boogie and nobody caught it (probably focusing on the chest strap region too much). I think it was her fifth or sixth jump at that point.

Just make you the right stuff is being looked over.

I saw a guy in our crew ask another guy in the crew for a gear check. The guy giving the gear check just waited a second, then gave him the pat on the back. Later that night I asked what they thought constituted a gear check. The guy who asked for the gear check said "Just for someone to pat me and say 'you're all good." I fucking loved it.

love it !!!!!

Wa he another one of those front lawn freaks??

that is fucking hilarious.

at exitpoint
3rings,loop tension,perhaps prime the pins,goingstowed?chekking good grip on pc,gear on,chek legstraps chek cheststrap,still going stowed? chekking pc grap again,if not do the pc and bridel,doubel chek your SL if you do such.helmet on.
quick look down if chest and leg straps looks ok off you go..

The above is what i do each time.Mostly solos so i made it a habbit to gearchek myself,often i dont like people to doubel chek on me unless i ask,or they see somthing wrong..
Its my responsibility not a mate whos dealing whith his own shit.

I gladly give gearcheks but only if im asked to..

The guy said "Just for someone to pat me and say you're all good."

When I finally quit laughing I almost cried....that guy
is probably allowed to vote, drive, jump & run for office.

Is there any way to check for a hard pull on the PC?

I always check and repack my PC before exit (I've never been in a situation where there wasn't time for a thorough gear check, even on illegal objects). However, I can't think of any way to check for a hard pull on the PC, without actually removing it from the BOC.

Yes, you can just give it a little nudge, say a few millimeters, but that's no guarantee that it'll move all the way out of the BOC without problems.

The reason I bring this up is that I recently experienced, on the ground, a hard pull with a 45" PC. Granted, it was a 45" F-111 PC that had been packed for about two weeks. Still, if that kind of effort was required to remove a 45" from the BOC, I can easily imagine similar effort being required for a sloppily-packed 42".

Any thoughts? What do you all do to help ensure an easy pull when going stowed?

My own habit is that my PC is never sitting around packed or hanging out packed. The only time it is packed is several hours prior to exit; on the way to the exit point (it's never packed when the canopy is packed).

DONT pack your 45 46 or 48 STOWED!!!
whaths the reasson?
what altitude are you jumping from as you use the 45?
i will say sub 300ft(ill happy use my 42 down to 250ft).I see no point beeing stowed below that.

INCASE you need to reach a exit poin were you need both hands climbing out there ite another issue,but personaly below 250ft you wont see me climbing out stowed anyway..(i have 2 kids they want their dad back home).

Packing your 42 corectly it shouldnt give any hardpulls,i never experienced one.. im keen to hear if any packed their 42 by a mushroom or supermushroom and experienced a hard pull... if they did how tight were their spandex then?

 

which altitudes are you jumping from what kind of delays?

how does your terminal pc fit afterwards then?
how often do you replace your spandex?
even stowing my 42 makes me conserning the day im doing terminal if the spandex comes too loose..

Ijump the Asylum av zp pc series they come whith no handel or cap i feel just fine like that,in fact all my pc´s are like that..
I dont think the cap does the big diff in case of a hardpull.actualy i dont use them as i dont like the grip you get on them..

 

i guess its religion.. if you like the car better then use it. i cant however see the big difference..

which delay and altitude?Im really keen to hear this.and the reasson to why?makes you feel better short delays etc etc

the problem aint replacing the spandex,its easy any rigger can do it.but what about the day your about to go on a trip your spandex is abit loose but you dont worry,on a terminal jump you experience that the pc drop out and open your canopy into the face of your buddy just above you.. or too close to the wall...

I do jump Gargoyle aswell i howver usa Asylum av zp pc´s i do belive that Morpheus pc´s are even bigger(the way they meassure it,do a search).. i have replaced spandex at both my rigs whith in 340jumps.I NEVER (unless im climbing a place were i might fall) will pack my 46(my biggest pc) stowed,if i need my 46 on a sl jump or handheld on a regular A,i stow it in the small pocket between my bag and the canony..

 

rember its a newbie forum you cant expect people to see this if they aint rigger or only are used to skydive equipment.
Ido agree that most BASEjumpers would notice but i see no reasson to push the lemmon.

Genneraly i recomend only to use 42 if you want to go stowed,only reasson to use a 45-46 to me would be objects were i need to climb to exitpoint whith a chance to fall,in suchcase ill stow my big pc,if i can unstow it again at exitpoint ill do so.(this only has apered once as i have jumped-to me ofcourse).
I just dont see the reasson to stow the big pc.

i dont disagree on any particular point.

i deleted mine,

dont make me look like a retard

i thourght you were after your crash anywayyou should look at me now,drug eyes and a limp that will make the one legged man look like a healed one
hows the healing? all good i hope

the above posts is just copy over time,its like people who only want to use a paticular brand,i cant tell if im right over you but i think so,i belive in my brand

im all healed up, pretty much.

i got an injection of something, cortezone i think in my ankle, and i have NO pain walking. no limp either. its great.

my head, well, i always was crazy and lacking.

Are you two having an 'Oprah' moment?

*sniffle. i feel so much better. im sorry faber, im sorry!,,,,waaahhha!!!

if you stow the pilotchute and then you put the rig on and then take it out for hand held or s/l you will never have the bridle through the legstrap malfunction.



what is the meaning of this?, its the funniest thing i have ever seen you post.

im in major influence of drugs as morphine thats might why,to me it makes perfect sence

we were argueing on oprah about stowing big PCs, what you did not understand is i said that if you stretch out a spandex on a BOC, a BASE jumper would notice. Faber argued that a lot of retard newbies might go stowing their 48s and stretch out spandex without noticing and have premature on a terminal with a small pc. faber words that shite kinda weird, i agree.

I had this weird notion that you being under the influence of mind altering medication might in some weird kinda way make the language in your posts easier to interpret....
< Zoter.....screws up paper with written theory and throws it out of the window......NEXT ! >


Keeping on topic...
I check everything myself and dont need a 'second' opinion...but will always ask for a look over if i'm not on my own....belt and braces and all that

yes i understood that bit, its where he denies having a reason to push a lemmon i was wondering about.

Lemons are illegal in Denmark

I don't jump stowed with my 45". I do, however, pack it for climbing, with the full understanding that over time the spandex may have to be replaced.

There are several reasons I do this:
1) It makes climbing with the rig easier.
2) It minimizes bridal exposure, compared to stowing the PC between rig and jumper, or in a side pocket.
3) It gives the jumper a slightly better chance of surviving in case of falling accidentally.
4) It looks better.

So far the spandex hasn't stretched whatsoever - I still feel perfectly safe jumping with a 32" or 38" PC in the pouch. This may, however, change with time. If so, the pouch gets replaced. I'm not, of course, recommending anybody else stow their 43" or larger PC. It's just what works for me.

However, that hard pull with a 45" PC makes me wonder about the potential of a hard pull with a 42". Nobody has so far mentioned anything they do to lessen the likelihood of, or test for, a hard pull. Does anybody have practices they use to prevent hard pulls? Or is it just accepted that hard pulls with 42" and smaller PCs aren't a significant concern?

I am quite amazed that only one (Carpediem) has mentioned this. Nothing else matters if one falls out of the harness.My gear check?
3 rings? blah. Check them when I packed including Cutaway handle position on the packing and at gear up. Check rings twice on the hookup during rigging.
Harness twist, threaded properly Legstraps and Chest strap at gear up point. Shoelaces. And last and least, PC status.
take care,
space

Did you inspect the PC/pouch to see what was making the pull hard? There must be something, it's not like ZP and spandex got cemented together. (Unless, of course, a beautiful Russian girl got mad at you and injected a tube of KrazyGlue in there! Russian girls kill with style, no doubt! )

What makes the pull hard is usually a part of the bridle and/or mesh getting outside of the bundle, which makes the stuff that's still inside the PC expand when you pull. If you keep all the "stuff" inside the PC (with a good margin) when you pack it and insert it, this pull-expand action wouldn't happen.

Another thing, when inserting a PC which is extracted at 90 degree angle (leg pouch on Vampire), pay attention to how the bridle stack is oriented. If it's oriented "ribs" up, it can make the bundle very stiff.

<Note>writes down that i spell better under influence of larger amounts of Tramadol,ibumetin,pinex and nexium.. -gotta ask the doc to get more of the drugs i usaly cant buy.. <note\>

Cheers zoter im happy

Lemons are Legal in DK,however you aint allowed to squice them into your eyes as you guys usaly does in US

what happened to her by the way?
did she stop?

visually check for twists in their harness and proper leg & chest strap routing.
Hallo! what is the matter? too many many trees in the way to to see the forest?

I like to visually check for twists in the harness, leg & chest strap routing, 3-rings and cutaway handle (sometimes even if they have integrated risers...), pin tension or velcro priming. I then like to open up the packjob, check brake line routing to ensure that they are set properly, and then pull the packjob out to line stretch and ensure that the tailgate is properly set, if necessary. Then I grab a ruler and measure the folds to ensure proper symmetry, before daisychaining all the lines back up, duct taping them into the tail pocket, and replacing the packjob into the tray with a few twists. Tie a pullup around the pilot chute and stuff it down their shirt, blindfold them, spin them around a few times, and theyre good to go. A swift thrust of your boot to the back of their knees should ensure a timely exit before they start second-guessing their equipment again.

So... who here wants a mentor?

Why im a retard:

-I though this was a serious post without even reading it cause it was from you,
-I thought it was a serious post even halfway through reading it.

Im shocked that you, after jumping with me before, would think that I could ever remember to bring a ruler and duct tape on a jump... I have a hard enough time remembering things like stashbags and shoes

what if yout on a big tower and its windy like it was that one time? when we floated the bitch and Mac got jealous and bitched at us? how do you pull you canopy to line stretch to check it then?

by throwing the pilot chute.

oh yeah!

well its in my part of chek up just before exit,but has to say that if my legstraps aint right ill feel it,the padding wont feel good.

don't you mean by rubbing your back against something until the packjob falls out and inflates on it's own ? It's less work after all.

-I start at the top and work down.
Chinstrap
Cheststrap
Legstraps
Bridle clear or SL clear
SL tied at both ends
Shoelaces...bigger than you might think
and finally turn and make a site check, do you have everything? I've left stuff behind before I included this.

Helmet Chin Strap ? ya know, Some people read this and just roll there eyes ..., like you are being anal over cautious. but,

No shit, On one Antenna load I was doing. I was down below just after landing and was shoving my shit into my stash-bag. I hear a body in FF and there canopy setup and open up from another jumper on the same load right after me.
Then suddenly and fast, I hear, SHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. (the sound) of something in freefall but weird sound.
Then a few yards away from where I am standing and stashing my gear. THWoooooooooooP, a Helmet smacks the ground.
.

I had a very similar experience, except I was watching from the exit point, and my friend had the helmet fall down over his eyes. He reached up with both hands and jettisoned it in freefall about 2 seconds down. Fortunately he then took another 8 or so, and was well clear of the opening area by the time the helmet came whizzing by.

In Kjerag when I was a newbie …

- How do I look?
- You look just fine
- Thank you, but I was asking about the gear …

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