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What do you do for short delays?

Is there somebody out there who's concerned about an accidental riser release and the fatal consequence of not having a slider above your head?

In my opinion, it's "six of one, a half dozen of the other."

Slider off: The risers can spread more, and the canopy theoretically ought to fly better as a result. The canopy is slightly easier to get into the pack tray, and everything sits cleaner without the slider in there.

Slider down: The slider cross connects the risers, which can save you if one riser blows, because you'll have more fabric staying inflated over your head (I know of at least 2 cases in which jumpers credited this with saving their lives). The slider can also prevent you from over-rotating a fast aerial by catching your feet and "bouncing" you back down on the correct side.


Personally, I jump both ways without thinking about it. I don't think it matters too much in 99.9% of cases.

No, I'm not concerned about an accidental riser release and the fatal consequence of not having a slider above my head.
If you are, by all means keep it on.

What does a riser release have to do with a slider??



Just say no to drugs, dude.

Then there are the possible rigging errors with slider off.

In the event that one riser releases, the slider can (and has, on a couple occasions) hold the released riser down somewhere near the jumper, allowing the canopy much more inflation than if the riser rode up above the canopy (basically making that half of the canopy--at least--into a streamer).

Definitely. Many people like to leave the slider on because they don't want to create chances for error in repeatedly putting it on and taking it off (and opening the links).

What rigging errors are possible slider off, but not slider down?

I can see your point in way Tom. But it seems since the majority of people just use the front slider stops to keep the slider from traveling up the lines. That the opening force would pull the slider grommet past the stop in that case, which would result in a streamer anyway. Yes or no??

The only BASE risers I've with a positive attachment point to keep the riser down are Gargoyle risers, and then only on one side.

Just take some time and take a good look at your risers. In case the grommet passes below the stop, it's stil being held by the riser on the opposite side. It's not difficult to imagine, you've just got to know your parachute before you jump it!
So short answer: No.

Only one riser attached and the slider on can still save your life. It's happened already to a Hungarian guy in Italy. He posted a while back explaining what had happened but I forget which thread. If you're worried about that, keep it on. Personnally, if I don't need it, it comes off. it's really not that much trouble.

IMHO I guess, best answer to this Q is:
Get the one rig set for S-off jumps and on for sub-term or term- jumps

If not than keep the slider and better use all your energy to pack or learn to pack nice and neat than hassle around w links and screw yourself w possible rigging error...

Go release one side and pull on it. The risers form a V. The slider would catch in the V.

Then again, it would pull the slider up the lines on the other side to some extent. I think that's what you're talking about?

Good times.

I guess you know a lot more than I do. But how exactly would the grommet pass below the stop??? Or did you just word that wrong?

It's not whether the grommets of the slider are above or below the stops, thats not the question.
It's about the slider not coming off the risers -ever-, try to imagine the V shape...

this is crazy talk take it off
why add another element to the equation for an off heading
maybe 9 times out of 10 your fine but that one time your slider catchs the side of your container or twists your risers
and ban your eating a building. not me buddy ill keep mine off
and so will anyone else jumping with me
my stance on this is, if u want to come to my town and jump with me.
then u do it with out a slider
or u can find your own objects and jump alone

sliders kill

and if u have a riser release I have a very hard time beleaveing that a slider will save u

Ill test this theory in the summer and video it
hell I could be wrong ///out of a plane

but on less your over alot of water or tress your gonna wish u were dead anyway

and if u hook up a riser wrong and dont do a gear check then u deserve what u get

K.I.S.S.
I never jumped slider down(besids at the perrine and people survive incredible stuff there..),i always have it off(take off.. huh i mean i replace it if needed)

I know there has been some riser release out there,BUT if you as i chek your gear on the exitpoint also controll the loop is ok and the cabel is pulled as far as it can up towards the slider..well..

at least it worked for me,i like the profile my wing gets whith out the slider,also as its removed its less prone to rigging erros

He's talking about the potential for error when you open the links to remove the slider or put it back on.

That's Magot talk I suppose, telling it like it is.
You could say though that if you like to take coffee breaks while packing and have a short attention span, keep it on.
Nevertheless, there has been at least one save keeping it on, and I don't know of any deaths in BASE linked directly to the slider. i agree that it's one more snag point when it's down. Ah well, whatever!

even as i know that sliders has saved lives as of riserrelease then i dont think i heard of any who got killed by riserrelease while BASEjumping,or di i rember wrong?

Why? i think people who dont trust their slider might chek up on their risers beffore they go..(not saying that the saved once didnt..).just a thourght...

I jump slider up or off, 99% of the time. I take the potential rigging errors into account, but i check it well, (i think) .

Another thing about slider down, it might be longshot, but when the slider is down, on my short metal pin toggle risers, i THINK* it was the cause of my lost toggle. I think slider down, and in the path of the toggles COULD* possibly cause a toggle to blow at the messy linestretch phase. but thats just my *

I like slider down, but I would jump slider off. Slider down is less work. The risers on my DP hold the slider down strongly enough by just pulling it past the links on the front risers. I don't know if that would help or not in the case of a riser release, but I don't think it causes any ill effects by keeping it on as long as you put it in the container neatly and keep it shoved in the middle after you've cleaned up the risers.

After I take off my links, I still have more gear fear even after checking it 3+ times than if I just pull the slider up or down, and reroute the brake lines.

I also don't think the glide is going to be that much different unless you're also taking the time to loosen up your chest strap after you're open.

I do think slider off looks cooler in pictures. You would also save wear on the slider by leaving it off.

Pardon me, but what is a "DP?" That acronym has a lot of potential meanings.

Tom, why not have the TFBA step up and test these theories with the patented "Maggot test jumper configuration" by PCAing a manniqunn(of the appropriate size/weight) off Perrine with one of the risers released.

Get video from different angles.

No, I'm not trying to be funny. Not really.

The Apex BASE DP is their Dual Pin container.

More info here.

i have and use both setups regularly. the only thing you really NEED to do is a gear check @ the exit point.

if you're slider off and worried about a riser release and not jumping over moving water, put a SLINK through your 3 rings.

just my $0.00000001

Actually, I think he was referring to this type of DP...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_penetration

yah no shit DP is cool in fact its the best

How is it better than a Gargoyle?

I hope it was a sarcastic post, but a DP is the star rig from Apex BASE, the company formaly known as Vertigo BASE.

If this thread hasn't already gone too far off topic, can someone post a pic of the snap to hold the slider down on the Gargoyle? I didn't see it on their website.

Damn.... that is so obvious and i never thought of it before. thanks.

of course this will reduce the chances of me gift wrapping a pursuing security guard like my favorite jersey jumper did 3-4 years ago in atlantic city. damn i've always wanted to do that since then.........

my gargoyle is packed, so i don't have a picture.. but it is simply a 4 or 5 inch piece of nylon tape with a snap sewn on the riser just below the link.

also, depending on when the risers were made... some have the snap loop on both front risers.

personally, i don't care for them. i'd rather just do the below the bumper trick because i can get the slider to fold neater. the snap loop holds the grommets at a weird angle.

if no one else does, i'll post a pic tomorrow after i jump that rig.