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I agree completely.

Recently a large group of jumpers were all together and none of us could come up with an idea of why anyone would need an aid at all for packing a PC.

Aside that, I just cannot understand why anyone would even use a pullup cord to "hold" their lines together before stowing. Now I know that is a bit off topic but it goes along with the idea of unecessary aids that have caused problems.

Remember, packing clamps are aids and not a necessity. Learn to function without them. I couldn't count all the people who were lost packing without clamps on BD this year and therefore only were able to jump the packjob they did earlier. I purposly was taught to pack without them at first, then started using them to streamline the whole process. Knowing how to without them has helped me in many unhospitable packing environments.

maybe someone could add content to the "Packing>Pilot chutes" section on basewiki?

http://www.basewiki.com/.../Packing/PilotChutes

I've also seen people using bungee and pull-up cords to tie their keep their lines together near the bottom of the canopy while packing. This is a sure fire way to kill yourself. I'd much rather risk the possibility of a line-over than the possibility of streamering in. It only takes one little mistake to ruin the rest of your life, if not end it forever.

One of the people I've seen do this is a friend of mine and he was using a black bungee on black lines. It didn't take a lot of talk to get him to understand.

I agree, i was taught to pack without clamps, but sometimes i use up to 16.

i agree... although i must admit, i do use one tool... a pull up cord to tie my 3rings together... which is however, impossible to miss when closing the rig.

i just don't understand the pc thing. but, then again, i'm not that smart.

on your 32 pc right?

No need to use tools to pack a pc...

I learned 3 years ago.... and I was taught to use a pull up cord on my PC. To all the others that still do, switch over to the drawstring on your stash bag. can't leave that on. And to those that use the pull up cord around the lines near the canopy..... use your bridal. pull up cords = death.

My packing mat has the pull-up cord sewn onto it for controlling the 3-rings. Thanks Kevin!
I've also used a tent-stake through the center of the rings, which I'm sure I picked up from someone else as well.

Marg

leaving the pull-up cord around the lines could prove tragic, but it is no where near the same as using a pull-up cord on a PC.

(assuming you need that pull-up cord to close your pin rig...)

Maybe true, but why do it at all. When you use your bridal, it's one less tool. I try to pack with as few tools as possible.

it's only one less tool if packing a velcro rig...
(where is that pull-up cord? where did I leave it? oh no...)

back to the main point, never use a pull-up cord to pack a pc! it is too easy to be in a rush and forget...

For anyone that uses tools to pack there PC, of the methods i've been shown, this is the one I like the best.

Take a look at my profile for my experience level though before you take any rigging advise to heart.

Those of you that don't, I thought you might get a kick out of my artwork.

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change "this" to "artwork"

I suggest learning from somebody who knows their shit and IN PERSON.

Pictures are nice, but when you are towing your pilot chute at whatever *low* altitude, you may re-think your decision about taking advice on the internet.

Great point. If I decided I wanted to go stowed (for some reason) on a low altitude jump where any hesitation must be avoided, I wouldn't use that method.

I meant TOWING IN - as in not inflating, period. Bad advice/mentorship has killed more than one person. Lack of either has killed a few too :)

Gotcha. This method might contribute to not inflating as fast as you'd prefer, but if you're at a high enough object and not going to the basement to pitch, this sure beats using a pull up cord to pack your PC.

Got to love it. You got a few jumps and you already feel qualified to teach your 0.02 online.

Again got to love it.

At least his contribution is somewhat constructive. All you bring is criticism. If he is wrong, someone can correct him and everybody learns. If he pisses you off, send him a pm.

Here is my $.02
http://www.johnnyutah.com/supermushroom.html

He does nort piss me off by any means but the big I is not the place to learn BASE.

And if you want me to be constructive his method does not have the centerline extended, a notion that is virtually known by any BASE jumper.

His method is not for folding a BASE PC but a SD PC.

Again you got to love it.

Neither does Johnny's method.

Sure, nobody is arguing that, but you can pick up quite a few things that complete the knowledge, get technical input, debate technical issues, learn from the list, keep up with progress being made, hijack threads, , et caetera...

You seem educated enough, so why do you find it easier to belittle someone rather than contribute with some of your knowledge?

That's why I don't use the super-shroom.

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ABSOLUTELY DO NOT PACK YOUR PILOT CHUTE THIS WAY. THIS IS REFERRED TO AS THE BURRITO PACK AND HAS CAUSED SIGNIFICANT PILOT CHUTE HESITATIONS THAT HAVE NEARLY RESULTED IN SEVERAL FATALITIES!

Dave,

I would never use that method, nor recommend than anyone else use it.

Who taught it to you for use on BASE jumps? That packing method has been out of favor (for the reasons cited by 460) with the vast majority of BASE jumpers for more than a decade.

How about not using a pull-up cord to pack your PC period. There is absolutely no reason to use a packing aid at all when packing your PC. Technique and practice is all that is required to pack a PC that is tight and easy to grip.

Also, the PC packing advice that you gave earlier in this thread has nearly killed several jumpers. Hopefully our feedback will prevent you from ever using it again, potentially saving your life.

Bryan

Bryan does it really matter at all how you fold the PC when the trend seems to be not even throw it out into the prevailing airstream anyway ?
If the jumper is to insecure in doubting his/her abilities to even fold and pack a PC into the BOC without tying it up at the Crown for control then maybe the jumper is really not even ready to take on the responsibility pitching it out stowed.
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" Also, the PC packing advice that you gave earlier in this thread has nearly killed several jumpers. Hopefully our feedback will prevent you from ever using it again, potentially saving your life."

Good One . ..., you beat me to the punch on that one and even did it in a much more polite manor.
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I have seen people(One Newbie and one very experienced jumper) use that PC packjob on WS BASE jumps.

The experienced jumper asked Robi how he packed his PC and the newbie told me he and his mate(or whoever else..I didn't catch that part) looked at all the packing methods and figured out that the tight BURRITO pack job was the best method. I told him then that it was stupid...especially combined with his pull altitude.

Anyway...a link of this post is going to his email. Flame away please.

Kris.

 

 
That's even sadder ...

Two deaths due to outdated practices ...

I was taught at the very beginning - no pc = no canopy (SL excepted!!)

My condolences to all involved and who remain in TF dealing with the fallout ....

I really do hate to see such a preventable mistake being the cause not of a just a broken leg.

Being a the small community that we are, when Paul Crallan went in I really thought that nobody was going to use the same technique for stowing the PC...wrong as usual I was.

Tree this is Sad, Stupid and makes me fucking Laugh all at the same time. Call me an asshole but I don't really give a fuck.
Hell it's Sad that it does not even take a real problem after the jumpers BASE canopy inflates to die. but NOoooo The latest preferred Trend to KILL yourself is to tie your PC off so it does not inflate or Not even give it a hard enough toss to get it out to inflate.
Makes me want to cry and laugh at the same time. I think I should probably list it's also Sorry and Pathetic.
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I am starting to wonder if this whole thing, from the pull up to the trouble caused at the restaurant isn't some sort of sick joke.

 
Man this is much more than a sick joke. This type of basic breach of the basics taught and practiced to stay alive is call for a total rethink of ANYONE who is attempting to get into BASE jumping either being taught by and individual of his/her choice or an FJC.
This should also give extreme review of methods to ALL who are, or ARE THINKING of Teaching anyone to BASE jump.
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I think we need to sticky this to the top!

Stop using Pullup cords to pack a PC... Use your hands... I have no issues packing my 46". NONE...

There is No Need for this to be some 'Sticky' . This should be a Obvious natural action after being told 'Not to' or hearing of people that have killed themselves while doing it.
No need for a Sticky saying, " Don't Strangle off your PC so it will never open. Then Jump with it."
You might as well make the 'Sticky' read. " Stupid people who 'Don't Listen' should Not BASE jump".
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darwin theory...

Well, now if new jumpers only just read the last dozen deaths on The List they should learn how important it is to never use a pullup with a PC...