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Almost serious. i forgot why i started paragliding, then i saw this film...


http://www.justacro.com/index.php?m=21&dl=128

thats fucking cool. I've been thinking of starting paragliding almost since i started skydiving... one of these days when i get a bit more money and some free time and move to a more mountainous area...

http://www.justacro.com/....php?m=21&dl=128

What about risk-wise, as perhaps you could provide us an informed comparative view of both? Do you think you have more fun with less risk in paragliding? One of the reasons I switched from motocross to skydiving was to reduce risk, and now I'm not sure I have an overall decrease in risk level after throwing BASE into the mix.

Fucking A man that's some cool shit.
Gotta love CH. I'll be saving that movie for a while.

btw is that you jumping out of the Schweiser?

ya, thats me out of the Schweizer. BASE gear as well

I think i have more fun for work involved in it. I was kidding about quiting base man, i was just being dramatic. paragliding is just, amazing. i forgot about how amazing it was after 3 months in the hospital after a paragliding crash.

At 02:05, there's a nice view of a valley we all know ( or at least heard about it )... ( and where I should be next monday...).

Thanks for sharing that video.

I always thaught paragliding looked kind of lame. That looked awesome.

that really is a sick movie
i paraglided once in huaraz (peruvian andes) a few months ago, i just did it one day, i got like 3-5 meters off the ground and 50-75 meters horizontal distance, my instuctor told me that i was doing very well for a first timer this movie makes me want to get into paraglidinging even more, it must be awesome to be able to fly in the air for a very long time under a parafoil, flying next to high mountain cliffs, impressing your friends etcetera,
but unfortunately, my financial situation doesn't allow that
anyway, nice vid !!

Paragliding is the bomb. I started skydiving first several years ago and then later started base jumping. When paragliding was proposed to me two years ago I first thought the same thing, "nice but lame".

Well, get out on a nice day in spring or fall in the Dolomites or in Fiesch and go ride some hard thermals and lift up to 13.000 ft, with the glider constantly rocking and twitching because of the alive air. This is not lame. Or go flying acro, feel the speed and the energy conservation of the wing. Seeing acro videos and the incredible things you can do with a paraglider finally made me start paragliding.

A paragliding wing is for me much more interesting than a skydiving wing because it is more efficient and much more powerful. It kind of has its own mind and feels very much alive.

I love skydiving and base jumping, but the pleasures of paragliding are for me just as good if also different.

Thanks to Calvin for posting the link, I had overlooked that video before. Keep up the flying spirit!

amazing vid. I've been looking into paragliding recently and this vid definatly makes the urge to try it stronger.

damn, i just watched it 5 more times this morning. now, im grabbing my wing out of the closet, and going to my hill. and i feel more alive than i have been in a long time. Good lift boys and girls!

one more thing, i want to listen to that song on my ipod while flying someday, anyone know who it is? i really want that song.

@Calvin: I wanted to know the same thing, and I emailed Chrigel to ask him for the song title (he is the guy flying with the helmet cam). I will let you know when he answers.

Paragliding kicks ass! I have a nice hill right behind my house that routinely lets me get 2K over launch and fly around beautiful rock faces. I definitely love my wing!

edit to add photo of flying in Jackson last week.

sweet... i'm headed up to slide for some hang gliding in about 30 min.
ya'll think paraglidings fun try hang g...

Can anyone reccomend a good school? Anyone nationwide or is it area specific? Whats the learning curve like and can you use the same wing with a powered setup?

check ushga.org

bro, I hang glide as well, have been a HG pilot since i was 16. but, i cant Dbag my HG, I cant hike with my HG, and I cant fit my HG in my car, and i cant land my HG in my backyard.

so, if you want to buy my HG, its a 1991 DeltaWing Light dream 205. and im looking for a new Ozone glider.

Try Cloud 9 here in SLC for your Ozone wing. Ask for Steve who is the store owner and regional USHGA rep. Ask him about his 'family connection' to the base world.

Baxter.

for paragliding in Salt Lake City a great contact would be to get ahold of anyone at SUPERFLY.

thats all.

Superfly is great and carry fantastic wings (Gin, Advance etc.) but the reason I suggested Cloud 9 is that they are the Ozone dealer and that's what Calvin said he was looking for.

...love the dirty sanchez laughing skull...

How y'all doin?

-g

U should quit BASE jumping no one likes u any way!!!!!!

That's from great flying - that's why I love my PG

My PG sucks. Im looking for a Acro wing. but i cant for the life of me find a gorram used small or extra mall wing.

The acro wing i was flying when i went in i sold to pay for medical shit while i was waking up. the one i am flying now is way big on me (sketchy) and its a bit older.

they cut my nice harness off of my as well. bastards

thanks for the offer, but I'll stick w/ the sport 150 I'm flying. Had an awesome day...
can't hike with it, can't put it in the car but one of the pgs out flying the same day was flying about 100 ft below me, hit some turbulence, had a collapse, and ended up on the hillside.Luckily didn't get hurt. made it to the lz w/ 1000 ft of altitude....
wasn't trying to knock ya man...

i know. i used to talk about paragliding as if it had no point, then my freind handed my a wing a few years ago, gave me a crash course, and its all i do now. crasy fast.
be well!

so he actually taught you how to crash ??

nope, he taught me how to fly, i taught myself how to crash.

sweet signature line

Since this is a paragliding thread...

What's the deal with para-motors, power paragliders, whatever they are called.

Do you have to be a paragliding pilot first? Where do you learn how to fly those things?

I've read that it takes between 5 and 20 feet for takeoff...is this true? If so that's sick, I can launch one of those things in front of my house.

I wouldn't touch one with a barge-pole!.. Bloody noisey and slow. It's bad enough having folks mow their lawns every sunday - I dont want to wear a Fly-Mo that close to my ears for hours.

I live in the flat lands of east anglia and would rather drive for a couple of hours to a hill to go proper flying.


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I have a few friends who fly them. From I've been told, you can take off in short distances, but sometimes, depending upon the winds, it can take a lot longer. Same with landing. As far as I know, you don't need any type of formal instruction to legally be allowed to fly it. When new people want to fly, the guy I know just orders their gear, then they take it out to the launch site and he teaches them. Best thing to do is to check out a ppg forum. There are a few out there.

(My suggestion is to make very, very good friends with these guys. A free ride to 2000' in a BASE rig during the day is a lot of fun. It's weird, for me at least, seeing the ground at terminal around 500' with the sun out! :-D)

Nathan

I don't think I could do the forum thing over again...

I have never tried it myself, but i kinda agree. pure flying is better. and i doubt i could launch with a motor with my leg.

 
Watch this and get even more stoked about paragliding...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1njB-ev7whg

Hey, I'm a skydiver, a pilot and a powered paraglider pilot (not a BASE guy yet, but I'll try it eventually). I would LOVE to do the non powered thing, but I live in FL, and we don't have many cliffs. Having never done that, the powered thing is really, really fun . . . . and slow and noisy . . . . but out over the beach or the dz, it's really fun. Give it a shot.

Stan

I've just repacked my tandem reseve and (if the weather is good) I'm planning on taking some mates for their first foot launched PG flight this weekend - It's good to feed back into a sport.

checkout this vid, pretty f'in cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KITzUrOTi_o

could someone make it a clicky please?

mfnren-

Hang gliding is killer fun, but i like sledding my HG, carving in trees, that was a pretty coolfilm though.

yeah I prefer mountain flying, but it was best flick I could find to put up. shows some pretty high performance flying...

low and fast is all that matters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KITzUrOTi_o

That's amazing. I had no idea the things they could do.

Nice, but I can't believe their idea of an accuracy contest is to see how close you can come to impaling yourself!

Paragliding back in the 80's

7 cells ... back to the future with BASE jumping

For powered paragliders, check out www.whitehawkppg.com

My friend and I teach it. It's awesome to be able to fly in places you otherwise couldn't, pack it in a hockey bag and check it as baggage on a plane to anywhere in the world, and fly as agressively as you want, as close to the ground as you want, for as long as you want. I agree, silent would be way better, but I still haven't figured out that whole warp-drive thing yet.

Calvin, you could definitely launch. Seen it done on one leg before. If you can launch freeflight, you can launch a PPG. We fly from the DZ all the time, you should come out and try it. We had a blast in Moab... flying through the arch was killer.

Acro? Anything that can be done in a paraglider can be done with a motor on your back... you just get to do a whole lot more of it . I can loop my PPG, and would like to learn more.

man, i really do want to try it. im leaving for flying again right now, 4kts from the NE at Ncar. and the arch? i didnt talk to you after you flew it. hell yeah. i want to hear about it.

ahhhh flying season again... here's some more hg'ing. music is lame, but the flying is pretty sick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAiJsUXgknQ&NR=1
how do make these clicky clicky?

 http://www.youtube.com/...vAiJsUXgknQ&NR=1

yeah buddy!!!! truck yeah its flying season!!!

i dont think a lot of BASE jumpers understand how cool these pilots are, i dont think they understand the ground effect of a wing.
ground effect GREATLY reduces the induced drag of a wing, so the closer you fly to ground, the faster and farther you will go. a wing with a GR of 20/1 in clean air will do 20/1, but on a slope of 40/1, it would glide at 40/1 !!!

its magic people... sometimes im sad i switched from HG to PG... but i still have my SS hang glider!!!

probably won't give up BASE, but skydiving.....thats another story.
Go fly that ss! do both...

Calvin.... I've got an Octane up for grabs PM me if it's suitable for your needs

i dont think a lot of BASE jumpers understand how cool these pilots are,
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no we don't . what you need to do is wingsuite BASE.!!

man!!!! im so out of money right now. damnit.

i will someday. im happy out of airplanes WS right now.

of course, you cant slollom a wingsuit a half meter off the ground, and you cant loop a wingsuit. and you cant stay up in a wingsuit for 6 hours. and you cant land a wingsuit. but you can pretend to be a bird, as close as you can be to a bird, for an amazing 2 minutes.

wingsuit base is the shizzle..... But so is this..

speaking of wingsuit BASE....

so, all aircraftr wings have ground effect, it is basicaly the change in angle of lift, reducing induced drag theoreticaly to zero, depending on how close the foil gets to the ground, now, i dont think that a person has ever gotten close enough to the ground to be able to use ground effect or even measure it, but in theory...

a wingsuit -COULD- get a glide ratio of close to 6/1 if it were to be flown a half meter above the hill that was 6/1 slope....

its suicide, but its a accurate theory...

i guess most of the drag on a Wingsuit is paracite drag...

i dont know how many people understand what im talking about... nevermind. ill go to sleep.

for an amazing 2 minutes.
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not if you got a jet pack
jet winguite base

do you have any idea how much a micro turbine engine costs? do you think your local DZ is going to let you take a gallon of jet fuel on board with you, then jump out with a 3 meter carbon fiber wing?

turbines are about 1000 US.

and its really freaking cool. but still.

whats better, para or hang

it depends.

PG is more versitle, you have a airplane in your backpack you can fly between states with and stay up all day. and you can land anywhere, and take off anywhere you can hike to

HG you need a modified car to carry it around, it sucks to hike more than 100 yards with.

but its FAST and more effiecient than a PG. but you cant land everywhere. and your not allowd at certain flying sites, because you could kill someone with a big aluminum bat for wings.

do you think your local DZ is going to let you take a gallon of jet fuel on board with you, then jump out with a 3 meter carbon fiber wing?
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the DZ should have spare jet engine laying around, that is why you are ninja jet wingsuite base

oh yeah....sold.

im thinking about taking lessons this summer and had some questions about paragliding,

first of all, what kinda ranges are there for paraglide flights, second what are the risk factors, im assuming stalls are biggest? theres a great glider port near my home and i was interested. any other info would be great

If i had to pick between skydive/BASE and paragliding. i would take paragliding in a second.

flights on standard PGs ranges-
-forward speed: 14-70km/hr (higher speeds are only on a few acro/comp gliders
-Glide Ratio: normaly, 7-8.5/1. with better comp gliders pushing the 11/1 range
-sink rate: less than 1 meter per second. (BASE gear is around 3 or 4)
-world record distance flown in one flight changes, but it is around 300 miles.
-flights can be all day, my longest is 4.4 hours.


risk?
If you do dont take me as your teacher, its pretty safe. I was being a moron 15 months ago and had a bad crash. spent 3 months in the hospital, and then i re-broke my leg last month because it was still weak, again paragliding. just a hard landing.

but i would say, when done safely, it is about as dangerous as skydiving.

stall? kinda but not really. tucks, and other collapses close to the ground (what happened to me) are the bad things

only buy a DHV 1 or 1-2 designed in the last 7 years, used as low as 600 USD. but the best are around 1300 USD. harness/reserve about 400 used. a full new set up is around 4000 USD.

lessons are not terribly expensive.

PS- i keep BASE jumping because i love it, and doing both does not interfere with eachother. BASE at night, paraglide during the day.

both amazing sports, if there is a way to combine the two.... then we really are fulfilling our dreams to be birds.

I see where you're going, been there. You run into a diversionary sport, and it's not like you quit BASEing or jumping, or whatevering, it just gets to the point where you haven't been out for a while. At least that's the way I explain it, but I never say I quit. I've been mixing wind and water lately, but want to get into paragliding...

I started kitesurfing before BASE, i was 15 and only could buy one used kite. besides, my geography prevented the sport a lot. i spent about 100 days one summer sitting on the beach waiting for wind. stupid colorado. wait, what am i saying!!! colorado is the BEST!

I did do some sailboarding, and i liked it better than kitesurf, but it was sexier, and i like kites.

maybe if i can dig myself out of 3 grand of debt from a paraglider, i can buy a sailboard.

Men, you're on fire!! You've done it all !!! Hang Gliding, Para Gliding, Kiting, Skydiving and Base Jumping. Did I forget something?
What kites are you flying? Inflatable or open cell? One thing that I love about open cell kites is that you can modify whatever you want to modify and just go try it and feel the results. As long as you don't ride with harness and you don't do jumps with it right after the modification, you might be pretty safe. I wish I was a rigger so I could know more! Right now I'm just doing trial & error

Did you ever try the woopy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj0ri4PG-i4

What abot the bullet from Ozone? I can't believe they sell that to anyone!!!!

hahaha... i was not a big kitesurfer.

i only had one Naish AR-5, 11.5 meter used. and i used a wakeboard as my board, i bought that from a freind for 40 dollars.

I currently only have 2 traction kites, both open cell. a 3.6meter and a 5.something. Colorado has shitty wind, so kite snowboarding is what i did. (snowkiting) i havent been under a kite on a board in years though. i was doin it up here when it was super new, and there were only about 5 of us in the state. it was crazy, now there are schools.

I worked at a kite shop for a while, and got SICK deals for kites sadly, they did not sell inflatables, but they did sell some pretty bad ass ramair traction kites. My job was repair. it was awesome.

I was always that kid in school who hated sports, so i made up my own. now me and my 2 best freinds from high school are BASE jumpers. its pretty kick ass.

bullets and nanos kick ass. only ever flown a nano, and it RULES. take a swooping skydive canopy and double the glide ratio.

that thing is fucking rad! yet another flying toy to be added to my evergrowing list. oh well.

sooo.... 4 attempts and a few busted motor peices later....

My love so far has been the Bego600 a 6 m beauty from MacPara. High Aspect ratio! Great lift, sweet jumps and soft landings. I do buggy & snowkiting. I've made some small modifications to change the projected area so I can adapt it to different winds. This is usually a low wind wing so at 20 km/h it's a beast. The upsetting thing about it is that with powerlines it turns so slow. With breaks it turns faster but it loses power. This one is made from Ripstop nylon not treated with silicon. Do you think that if I spray it with food grade silicon it might improve the turning speed? For sure it's gone to change the power/lift but I can compensate that by reducing the projection area (making it more like a U). ... sigh ... I Hope I'm not going to destroy my kite from all the modifications that pops in my head....sigh...

These days some guy named Mike Steen adapted the bullet into a skydiving canopy. Pretty cool. I think the biggest size for the bullet is 12m = 129 sq ft. How low can they go?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTrMQitk5vk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk9H5utUzlA

What really is cool about the woopy is that apperently you can't stall it. Everytime you change the angle of atack it comes back to neutral flight even if your body is still in a diff position relative to the wing. Or at least that's what they say on the web-site. I hope it does it without losing a lot of altitude...
http://www.woopy-fly.com/

wow thanks D123 for showing me that
yet another reason to live

and i think i might look into paragliding, i have this vision of living a lifestyle, sadly im no where near it and having trouble grasping it

the woopy is a hang glider, a very small, easy to control hang glider. it WILL stall, trust me. even though i have never flown one, i have flown hang gliders, it WILL stall. any foil can stall if the critical AOA is reached. trust me. this thing might be really really really hard to stall, as in the farthest point the pilot can be pushed back by the control rods is still in front of the CG point (basicaly this means that the control range is not enough to stall it) but it still can be accelerated stalled, and if you can push back far enough, it will stall.

Also, the site reads that the woopy will return to its normal 'trim speed' and will stop turning if not touched. this is true, but its true on almost all hang gliders. again, any glider can spin. and this one may be super-stable, but it still will be able to stall and lose control.

that said, I have seen these types of gliders before, in a full-soaring hang glider design. 'woopy fly' was the first, from 2001. pretty cool shite. these new designs are amazing... these sports are exploding... and i cant wait to find the perfect way to fly...

BASE, is a gateway drug...

http://www.kitewing.com/home/

I have been talking to the creaters of this, the kite wing.

basicaly a production version of land-based windsurfing. the larger "kites" are also designed to be flown, or "jumped" as their lawyers like to say.

I have seen video of these flying for over a mile.

cost is about 1000 US for the 5 meter, (the good one)

but now that i see the woopy... maybe thats a better idea.

The 'tough guy' in me says they could have found a better name for it.
I mean:

Said very loud in a crowded place: "I fly a (Mojo; Troll; Fox; Black Jack), I like danger, yeah and I open beers with my teeth and stuff."

Said very softly between teeth: "I fly a woopy....... and i'm ok."

edit: Just kidding btw; man i am bored; new job on monday, woopy!

Dude, you got it... It's only hard the first few times. Plus, you actually DID fly! For a couple seconds... Too bad you're broken. The *best* flying EVER is in Moab (leaving this Sunday night with 2 machines). Heal fast so you don't miss the next moab trip.

Oh yeah... thanks for taking the website cover shot: www.whitehawkppg.com

http://www.whitehawkppg.com

OK, so now that this thread is officialy the "sports besides BASE that are as cool or BETTER!!!"

all you jumpers out there need to check out PPG, especialy the way Boyd and Robert are teaching it [the link above]. they teach in Co, and it is some of the coolest stuff i have ever seen. emagine being able to swoop for 20 minutes, dragging a toe in the pond for 500', or just climning up, looking around, 'sky putting'.

even though i have not been able to fly [for more than about 1.5 seconds], this is an amazing sport. and electric is on its way....

check the pics i took of the whitehawk crew flying a few weekends ago at the local DZ! and def check them out on the website.

dragging a wingtip and a toe in the water!!!! dont let the look fool you, these things are FAST...

You have been banned from this forum for 14 days for breaking the following forum rule(s):

1. No Blasphemy

Now go to your room and don't come out until you think about what you've done.

dont you remember my sig line?

dude your banned your not supposed to be able to post. sssshhh...

Somebody mention to me in another thread that people are already doing CReW with paragliders but I didn't believe it until I've seen it. Sick, just plain sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLX0Hah3ImA

I really want to do CReW one day. I'm almost finishing my paragliding class and my next big step is to buy a wing. More money to spend & shit.

Some indoor paragliding (does it count for B.A.S.E.?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNMhPDCpBbg

hell yeah man, I have only done simple wing walks with paragliders so far, no hard core 'CREW'... but i have proved the concept of jumping my paraglider from 12,000'agl from an airplane. so... all i need is some more PG/skydivers willing to do something new. then we will have 90min CREW jumps.

me trying to lose altitude as fast as possible cant make my PG jump less than about 20 min. and thats pushing it. longest is about an hour from 7000 AGL

here is some pics of me doing a rollover at potato with my paraglider. 2 min flights from 480'

Man !!!!!!!! My longest flight so far has been 10-15 min with DHV1 in half break. No thermal. Just lunch and land. But you are doing some pretty hard core stuff mate.... what are you flying in there? DHV2?

Edit to ask: How do you do D-BAG from a plane? Do you have a slider?

hehehe... i have done it 2 different ways... i wont get into details as to how but one method is a directbag no slider, the other is a deployment bag with slider and PC.

the later takes more time to pack, etc.

and that pictured glider was a DHV 1. a proof of concept jump. sadly i have no pics of later jumps on a 1-2.

speaking of crossing over...

I personaly believe that Paragliding and BASE jumping are if not the most pure form of human flight, by far the most versitile.

here are some pics of me flying my BASE canopy at a very popular paragliding hill, was able to have VERY long canopy flights, in fact ones where altitude was gained from a ground launch.

I have been jumping paragliders from airplanes at altitude of up to 18,000' MSL. I have soared for many minutes without loseing altitude on BASE canopies.

I think that these two sports will contiue to progress closer to eachother... and i want to be on that leading edge.

yo yo heckler, call me at 415 407 5841, my bro Jerry's (you meet him in moab a couple of times) recovered from his accident at the royal gorge to where he can walk, and wants to give paragliding a go, lives in CO, want to hook him up with you.

dingo.

Crew is so 90's..........

late 80s i thought.

but PG CReW?
cmon man...

thats sick... you know it.

You're so old school...