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Some people obviously have nothing better to do...

When you're lame, and nobody wants you around, you tend to have a lot of free time on your hands...

Some people should not be at a skydiving convention trying to show off they BASE jump...........

 

Just like your post in the other thread, you've made the best point.

and I will repeat what I said there:


BASE jumping has no place at major skydive events.......... it will have a long term effect...

 

Most of us actually have care for fellow human beings...... you have 46 BASE jumps from your profile? Remind me that should I ever meet you and have chance to make a BASE jump I should walk away from you..... I think your attitude to fellow parachutists and future jumpers sucks........ I am not trying to be arrogant, or up myself, but your attitude to "and again so what if it makes them want to do it.. when they have the jump numbers who cares who's want to do it." shows your true colours. I would never ever advise someone to BASE jump and would try and put them off............ if you BASE jump and say "who cares" then you should not base jump...........

EDIT TO ADD: You think I am a skydiver dont you?

 

............and as long as you are ok then thats ok.......

 

Sorry, I thought it was in my profile

I have been skydiving for 6+ years and BASE jumping for 4+ years

Do you mean this Gary Peek?
See foto,
take care
space

 

Nice mullet...

 

Ditto

what a fucking waste of time!

regardless of your feelings on the issue man this is a good website http://www.stopsnitching.com
late,
RJ$$

dude i see no respect in ANY of your posts at all. to me you looks like the jeark people are talking about "look at me im a BASE jumper" ...

Simply advise,behaive and you might get loads of great trips arround the world in your BASE carre,but make sure that most BASE jumpers did or still does skydive or atleast still has freinds who does so,and people offending them they wont waste any time inviting them to their objects...

Your not that hard or tough,most who were are dead by now and the rest of them dont look down at others...

Im whith Mac,if you want to take your BASErig off a balloon then find one to jump but dont do it at a skydive event unless people has agreed.

Why jump a balloon if you can get a fixed object right

Get over yourself.

We have.

I think it sucks that this guy ratted on a fellow jumper (actually in reality he ratted on the hot air balloon pilot) to the FAA and I think that sucks. But personally I think you need to start realizing that not all BASE jumpers jump for the same reasons you jump. We're all different and have our own reasons to jump. To slam other jumpers because they don't follow your view on what it means to BASE jump just goes to show how little experience you have in these two sports (and I'm not all that much more experienced). Time under canopy is still time under a canopy and no amount of skydiving time under a skydiving canopy (whether it's only in the hundreds or if it's in the thousands of jumps) is going to make you a bad BASE jumper. But having too little time under canopy can make you a dangerous BASE jumper. So I hope your BASE canopy skills are above average because it sure sounds like you feel you've already learned everything you need to learn under a skydiving canopy. I know I'm only starting to scratch the surface of knowing what I need to know about jumping large, medium and yes small pocket rocket canopies. The moment you stop learning in these sport(s) is the moment you should really think about doing something else.

But yes that guy who finked to the FAA is a rat.

 

to worldsocold.....

your attitude sucks balls. grow up already.

im not down with rats either. but geez, spouting off how your better than skydiver this and that....whatever. ive got some cheep beer to go drink.

 

That's a personal attack. Remember, you can't make personal attacks on other people who post on these forums.



I'm going to give you the next 14 days away from this forum, to get some work done.

No matter how you feel about an underlying issue, you can't attack the people involved--only the issue.

Damn Ryan...given a Tom Time Out after only like 8 days on the board...I guess it's now known "What Would Tom Aiello Do?"...ban your ass...

And JP, what the hell did you ever do to Ryan at Perris? He has you lumped in the same category as Tom Deacon...I've told him it's not the case, but ...

got your pm and answered it,if you cant see it as your banned pm me on uk board and ill resend it there..

Haha this was a lot of fun.
havent seen this much fighing in a long time.
good to have Tom here to seaddle things up and ground them :)

but still ratting on a person is a bit lame.
but hey skydavers are lame. just like Golf.
They are just so cute in their FS-suits so let them be in peace thinking they are rebels if that makes them more happy, We have our fun on other areas where they would never interfear. so let them have their DZ:s for golf/family sports.

stay happy and jump hard and with respect.

ta ta

MAC- sometimes your attitude sucks too. I am not defending Mr.Worldsocold but you come across as a "My way only" kind of guy quite often. True Colours?
Bottom line for this thread is RATTING OUT to the FAA is total bullshit.
............but wait, U have more jumps than me so I am sure you will just write all this off..........take a deep breath and RELAX

I think that you should go to the person if you have a problem with them...if that doesn't work then go to the authorities...but only if there is truely someone putting peoples lives in danger.

Otherwise it's like your friend getting home safe after driving with a few beers...and instead of talking to them about what they did you call the cops over to test and arrest them. It's pretty lame. For those of you who are pilots of any kind you know that the FAA is a BIG DEAL, talking to them means that they MUST take action. They can't just leave complaints sitting.

You are messing with someones lisence, job and life when you give the FAA a call. I think we all owe it to eachother as people with a common passion for flight to approach one another before the authorities.

Can't we all just luv each other?


Nah...f*ck that..."Fighting Solves Everything!"

What about the mustache?

(Sob).
They don't care about my mustache.

You forgot the contact info:

Gary Peek

peek@freefall.com

3201 Highgate Lane
St. Charles, MO
63301 USA
(636) 946-5272

Office:
9-5 central
(800) 435-1975

Feel free to call me any time on my company's toll free line and tell me what you really think (without worrying about forum moderators.)

It is a pretty kickin' mustache.

Still, I'm with the "stay clear of the FAA" folks. We had (emphasis on "had") a local cliff from which jumping was tolerated. A visitor knocked some rock down from the exit point, scaring the crap out of a group of climbers below. They were pissed (quite rightly) and called in the rangers. Rangers handed out warnings (phew), because like the FAA they have to respond, but now my favorite cliff is hot, and the next time it'll be gear confiscation and a court date. A few weeks later, I understand the climber regretted having called in the cavalry, but some things you can't take back. What's lost is lost.

Sometimes we're given a choice. Often bringing the authorities into it is not, in my opinion, the wise choice.

Awesome! looks like i'll have to fill out all these damn credit card offers I get in the mail every day with your information (the high speed internet offers too!), looks like you'll be getting my junk mail for a while.
Ha ha, just kidding. put your dick away and relax tough guy,
~J
PS;
>>>Feel free to call me any time on my company's toll free line and tell me what you really think.
~~~~Good thing you don't find the kind of tattle tails in here that you might find else where, someone might call your boss and let iet them know you are using their toll free number for other than work related purposes.

To set the record straight - I'm not Gary Peek (as some who have pm'd me seem to think).

g.
OzBASE86

Emphasis added. I think when he said "my company" he meant "mine" in the same sense that you might say "my car" or "my rig."

Can't say I know him, and don't think I'm missing much either.

I't kind of hard to relax when you know you have handled a situation properly and are being chastised for it, but I'm getting there.

And it is indeed my company, my dime, and seriously, anyone can call me and tell me to go to hell, or whatever they want. The feedback is good, and I always learn a lot from those that call, because conversation is much better thn typing.

Most situations are complex and need more than just the casual posting. (I could have explained the situation better myself in the original message.)

Sorry, man. Ever been seen at the WFFC?

Snitches to the FAA make me sick. We have plenty of them here at home too.

Jealousy is a powerful emotion. Have a great skydive, skydivers!

hmmmmmm.... I wonder if its attitudes like this is why the skydiving community "looks down" upon base jumpers.

What are you doing the the general skydiving forum anyway if us skydivers are a bunch of pussies. Show up at a skydiving center near you with your attitude...I dare you.

j

"handled the situation properly"

My dad always told me to never rat on anyone... never. That sounds silly, but it was one of the few things he really meant when he told me. Personally, I think you should mind your own business, and some guy jumping some balloon with a BASE rig (which is less complicated/safer in my opinion) is not your business, no matter how you want to try and look at it. You are a rat/narc, whatever you term you want to use. That is not a personal attack, that is a fact. I have had objects that I worked hard on opening get burned by people (unintentionally), and I may not get to jump said objects ever again, but I wouldn't call the cops on a fellow jumper, whether I hated him, or just simply disagreed with what he/she does or is doing. You pretty much called the cops on someone you don't even know, and for something you had nothing to do with. It wouldn't even directly effect you if someone were to get in trouble. You have hundreds of balloons to jump, and you narced someone out for one. I may never jump my building again. Good thing they have a perfect orginization with all kinds of rules for you to follow, so you don't have to have too much fun...

Oh, rules and/or safety are a matter of opinion, what we do is not a science, it evolves every day. You should educate yourself about both types of gear before you say what you think is safer, I have.

Umm did any of you read what happened? Having someone talk to someone isn't ratting/narcin' etc etc etc. They guy didn't do ANYTHING WRONG so he wasnt' getting in trouble he just got an explanation of what kind of trouble he would be causing if he did what he was thinking of doing. Just so happens the person was with the FAA and just so happens to be one of the MAIN people that got the friggin jet cleared to drop jumpers. Sounds like the right person to 'splain to the knucklehead why he shouldn't be thinking of doing what he was planning to do..

So please explain how thats ratting? You all seem to have this lemming mentallity..someone says rat and you cricle like a bunch of wannbe bad guys. Jumping off shit doesn't make you bad and spoutin off without reading makes you look silly.

Now if Gary had gone to the FAA (which he didn't do, he saw Dixie who happens to work for the FAA) after the kid had jumped and actually filed a complaint then yeah tar and feather him right after you tar and feather the fucker that jumped...

Otherwise stop using street terms that you have no clue what it really means..

Peace...

I've seen a lot of the people on your side of this twisting things to make your point and that's lame. Keep it real don't try to use loop holes and shit. The person he happened to talk to, Dixie, was an employee of the FAA, and he knew that. He not only put the jumper and pilot in a bad position, but might have put Dixie in a bad position also if she would have rather looked the other way.

The Pilot was never in a bad position did you read anything? The guy didn't jump no pilot was involved nor mentioned no violation occured.. you miss that? So please explain how the pilot got involved in this?

Yah I read it all. It's not very clear as to whether the pilot had planned to allow it. And for all I know if two people say the pilot was going to allow it, the FAA could take his license. I've seen crazier rules.

I love skydiving and don't want skydivers to have a bad impression of BASE jumpers, but it seems like the majority of skydivers are the lemmings as far as how they feel about BASE. I suggest you find some BASE jumpers and learn some shit and then have your own opinion.

Gary is just now noticing what may have been going on for many years? Interesting.

Read Gary's post. He makes it quite clear he was angry. Why though? The way I read it is, he didn't hear the answer he wanted.

He was disgusted. Why? The way I read it is, he didn't hear the answer he wanted.

He doubts the pilot was "ok" with it. Why does he doubt it? He didn't talk to the pilot.

Interestingly, Mr. Peek seems happy about the humility felt by the person caught packing his BASE rig.

Legalities aside... (We all know what they are so leave it out of this conversation)... The way I read it is, he became angry and decided to put a fellow skydiver in his place.

So many "violations" of different sorts occur, and have occurred, over the many years the WFFC has been going on. I find it interesting this particular non-incident was chosen to made example of.

The entire thread in general is pretty stupid. It goes in circles. People kiss Mr. Peek's ass, and others think he's a jack ass... repeat as necessary.

Some posts are so politically correct it's laughable.

If it bothered Mr. Peek so much, a nice chat with the pilot would have been a start.

Good night.

Snowboarders... Skiers...

I can't speak for gary but from the moment this was posted it was never about base vs skydiving it was about a knucklehead that was about to break a FAR which is a law.. at a major skydiving event. Had nothing to do with base as none of what I have said has anything to do with base it has to do with people freaking out without reading and comprehension of what they are reading. I am pretty sure lots of post where coat tail post without even reading or trying to understand what they actually read..

Has nothing to do with BASE..Besides I was jumping 100' cliffs without a rig 20 years ago and would be all for jumping but my Fat Ass is to big for the locals to take me on a FJC unless I buy my own gear.. now if anyone has gear for a 6'3 240lb fat ass and wants to huck me off the perrine let me know and I'm there

Budweiser.

if somebody buys me miller i probably wont drink it.

what?

Both parties involved made bad decisions, in my opinion. The first mistake was even bringing BASE gear to a skydiving convention. Taking a BASE rig out of an aircraft at the WFFC is just plain stupid.

BASE gear is for BASE jumps. There is a single parachute and deployments are low out of necessity. If I could jump a 13,000' wall all the time, hell yeah, I'd take a skydiving rig. Velocity, reserve, and all.

The responsibility always falls on the pilot. That's for donning the proper gear, seatbelts, etc. The guy can pack a BASE rig and show off all he wants, but a smart pilot isn't going to let him on, especially at such a high profile event. Gary should have asked the pilot if he was letting BASE jumpers out of his balloon. If the pilot was, after discussion/education, adamant about letting people out with single parachute systems (which is doubtful), then he should put a FAA rep in touch with the pilot, if so compelled.

This is the kind of thing that happens off DZ, or last load of the day when no one is around -- and is still risky. I mean (cough) never happens (cough). I cannot confirm or deny having done this, but if (cough) I did, it would have been for wingsuit BASE training, at dawn and at sunset, with no eyes on me. A newbie BASE jumper showing off to his whuffo friends is unjustified from any realm of parachuting experience... BASE or skydiving.

And on the two... I like to do both. A lot.

Oh, and I should mention that talking to the guy first was the right start, IMO. The guy was obviously being a punk. I bet he was packed slider down with a 48" PC and no the line mod for a terminal jump.

Reading people's thoughts on the selected FAA rep, it really doesn't seem like a such a big deal. But I still think Gary had quite a few points of contact to resolve the situation before going to the top.

Ummm.

So, a skydiver who doesn't BASE jump, didn't tell the FAA, but instead went out of their way to tell an onsite FAA inspector, that someone is going to jump a non-TSO'd rig early in the morning, from a balloon, without a TSO'd reserve and TSO'd harness assemby packed by an FAA rigger within 120 days. They weren't on the load, everyone INVOLVED was good with it, but still felt a strong sense of victory when the "plan" was foiled.

Take my FAA parachute D card. Oh, the only person that is able to get screwed is the balloon pilot, who makes a living flying. You really got me, Mr. Do-Gooder.

Aren't we ONLY talking about a FAA enforcement of a Commercial Rated balloon pilot? Seems silly enough to post here, after all...

Glad that they stopped the suicidal skydiver from trying something so silly. And if that guy that shows up at my DZ, I'll remind him and all visiting skydivers of FAR 105.17 ... Which is worse- a snitch or a hippocrite?

I will accept no further arguements, my decision is final.

What is the highest a balloon can be while still tethered to the ground? 300 feet??

Coco

I think the funny thing is that the FAA would have no jurisdiction if it was tethered. You wouldn't even need a FAA licensed balloon pilot in the basket.

If you were to winch it up and down with a 486' rope, you could do it in front of the FAA FSDO, and they could only watch and try to create something to get butthurt about.

Who has an extra rope and a balloon? I'll slam jumps all day long outside the WFFC next year...

America, land of the free???

I've got a 1200 footer and a gas powered winch...... hmmmmmmmmmm

huh i jump my vented Flik like that all the time whats wrong whith that

Yea thats what I've heard.

Coco

LOL ... on many occasions I have found myself at a DZ early in the morning packing my BASE rig(s). So even though I wasn't at the WFFC this year, I wonder what Mr. Peek would say to me if he saw me packing one of my rigs at the DZ. Would he automatically assume that I had just jumped out of an airplane with it, or would he put two and two together to come to the realization that maybe I was re-packing the rig since it had been recently used on a jump in which it was designed to be used on. News at eleven ...

That means it's OK for other people (excluding the some) to be there with their BASE rigs!!

A different slant on your comment: "Some people should not be at a skydiving convention life or an airport itself trying to show off they BASE jump Skydive........... "

Division creates disharmony. Selfishness breeds division. Narrowmindedness is what holds back 90% of the population. To those who only knock and like to follow rules, excellent. Keep up the good work. To those who don't, please remember to have respect for other people and their property. That means if someone owns a DZ and they don't want someone to use their BASE rigs from an aircraft, then you shouldn't. Just find another venue/location/person. But don't be an idiot about it either. If you have no idea and very little experience, then get this or proper tuition prior/during.

It is generally correct that most BASE rigs are not allowed to be used from aircraft. But this is a generalisation only. Single parachute systems ARE allowed (i.e. c.f. pilot emergency rigs). To be "legal", a system must be TSO'd by the relevant aviation authority. BASE rigs have been TSO'd (i.e. Perigee Pro in Germany). Hence, their is a governing authority that HAS accepted BASE rigs. It is possible for others to do so but there is a lot of work involved and it takes a lot of time.

A pilot who allows a person to exit whilst knowlingly breaking rules is just as responsible as the jumper, but has more to lose (i.e. his/her license).

TO the person who said "this is stupid", in some cases it may be, but in many others it is just your opinion. You are entitled to it.

I personally have jumped from aircraft with single parachute systems and undertaken intentional cutaways on numerous occasions. Hence my opinion is slanted to the "allow it" side. However, I would temper that with my earlier statement. And that is that it is NOT for everyone. There are people out there who have a much higher chance of messing up which inevitably leads to serious incidents. So how do you control it? Well, you just make it a rule that you can't do it. That filters out most people. And the ones that are really keen will do it anyway.

And now we are back at square one!!!!!!!!!

I would like you to read the other thread in the other forum if you have not. I'm having a difficult time understand how a number of people consider my actions ratting out when no jump was made.

I don't know if BASE jumpers are more sensitive to potential FAA involvement, but perhaps that is it.

So far the comments seem to follow those lines.

"And now we are back at square one!!!!!!!!"

I am shocked to read this postings. Nobody dares to really get to the point...

Why in Gods freakin name do a basejumper find it interesting to jump from a balloon with a baserig. That is truly lame. It is the opposite of what basejumping can give you: speed

A jump without references is a jump without the feeling of speed. The only way to get felling of speed from a balloon is to use a high performance canopy. To use a basecanopy from a balloon...that is the lamest thing I have ever heard...

Get your ass up a fixed object

- to practice arials in a save way
- to practice to pull low
- to enjoy ground rush
- to impress chicks
- to have fun with friends
But in my opinion it's not BASE Jumping, its low altitude Skydiving with a BASE rig...

I would assume you use it jumping from objects, not aircraft, and ask you about BASE jumping, which I am interested in! This is what I usually do every time I see a BASE rig.

But when I see a guy at the WFFC packing a BASE rig with people at a balloon shouting to him to hurry....


You seem to be another person that thinks I do not like BASE jumping, but quite the opposite. I think it is an important sport.

I honestly encourage you to make that happen!

Previous FAA people at the WFFC did not approve the AN-2 from dropping jumpers because it was certificated as an "experimental" aircraft which cannot take passengers for hire. The current FAA folks allowed it to be jumped as a club with a membership. They simply want things to be done correctly.

Once you figure out how to make these things legal, it's just fantastic.

Well, not really. I have - it was one of the most sensible things I did. I did, however, put it in a skydiving container with a piggyback reserve. My reasoning with it was to practise with it in a controlled environment before jumping it from a bridge.

So, there's reason #1. Practice for someone starting out. Or have you forgotton what it may be like?

So, OK, I know you meant BASE rig rather than BASE canopy alone. Reason #2. It is no longer unreasonable to pull low using a BASE canopy. We know they open quick, are incredibly reliable (if packed correctly) ... I'm not saying I would do it from a balloon (maybe, perhaps ) but if you were going to do it, that would be the way.

In all fairness, because you don't understand the motivation, you can't comprehend the action. That's fine, but be careful in imposing your own values on others.

Richard

When you jump a big wall you might be watching the object in the beginning but by pull time it is all about the ground rush. Whether you jumped with a BASE rig off a '3 000 cliff or a balloon the ground rush at terminal velocity is the same.


I have a skydiving accuracy rig that is big enough for '265 to '280 canopy. If I were to use that to get some wingsuit practice from a balloon so I could know exactly what my BASE canopy would open like on a wingsuit flight is that lame too? Or am I better off finding out how a BASE canopy wingsuit deployment/opening is like on my first BASE wingsuit jump?

Open your eyes and think a bit more laterally, there are lots of ways you can (legally) use skydiving to prepare for and improve your BASE jumping.

A tethered balloon can't just be winched down as the stresses on the envelope are too extreme. You DO need a good pilot to raise and lower the balloon keeping in mind the careful balance exit weights, ballast and decent rates. Finding a willing pilot is the hardest part. A generous BASE'r friend with the most amazing organizational skills who owned a balloon did find such a pilot.

The 1200' rope got us up to 900' AGL although most loads were 500-600'. SL-up's & downs, unpacked jumps of all types, daisy-chains, bicycle-BASE, student PCA's... I even managed to slide down the angled rope with a sling for a while before letting go & deploying (like the world's biggest flying-fox).

The point here is that we were on private property doing all this without fanfare or hype. Word got out into the mainstream DZ's & to CASA here but they just left us to our own. All out loads were tethered. They (CASA) could have hassled us but it was more to the point that there was a level of mutual respect that they would not bother us and we would not bother them.

On a side note - Wilton (Picton) DZ near Sydney has banned ppl from packing BASE rigs anywhere on the DZ. If you are seen packing one you can be assured that someone will run (literally) to DZ management and "rat" you out.

g.

It's clear to me that it's not you're anti-BASE, just looking out for everyone's interests which is, in it's own way, commendable.

However, if the situation had been this:

Guys in balloon shouting over to guy packing BASE rig to hurry up or he wouldn't make the load. FAA official nearby. You go up to guy packing, remind him that his actions are technically against the law, that there's an FAA official within earshot, and going up in the balloon with a BASE rig on is a distinctly bad idea.

...no-one would mind. Many would commend you on your actions. For sure, people take BASE rigs out of balloons more often than people think - but away from the eyes of DZOs and the FAA,

As you said, the guy in question never made the load. Telling him off for trying whilst FAA officials are around - you're on equally good grounds to give him a piece of your mind.

Going and getting someone who works for the FAA? Any particular reason??? Some would say you cracked a nut with a sledgehammer, and it is for that most posters have a problem with the way this was handled.

I was trying to use a little bit humor. Not irony, but more looking at it from a new viewpoint in a humoristic way. It wouldn't heart to put some smiles into this deadly serious forum.

One more thing. If you still jump big walls because of ground rush, you are soooo last year, and truly understand your love for balloons;););)

I know you guys jump it because of the "wall rush" but I get enough kicks from seeing the ground come at me... :-)

Just like home made tracking outfits and BASE god attitudes.

As has been pointed out, this incident has nothing to do with BASE jumping. This is a disagreement between two skydivers, one of whom was considering using gear deemed unsuitable for the proposed jump.

I don't care if the jumpers name was Big BASE McBASE, head of BASE at the University of BASEville. This was a argument between two skydivers, one of whom also happens to perhaps BASE jump.

You want to skydive then you play by skydiving rules or if you break them then man up and take the punishment. If you don't like the rules, then simple....go do a BASE jump, the FAA has no jurisdiction over us.

As for the ratting out, why is everyone so surprised?

ian

>>What is the highest a balloon can be while still tethered to the ground? 300 feet??<<

The one we used to teach the Basic Research FBJC was tethered at 800-feet, it had a small platform so you could stand and launch from outside the basket.

The balloon is not "winched" in any way - just flown in a normal way except the tether kept it from drifting away.

NickD
BASE 14

So again you do not give a rat's ass about safety, according to you if you can work the system out then it's all good.

I could not care less for the FAA FARs or USPA recommendations.

Anybody is free to jump from an aircraft at 1000' (the FAA does not say anything about jumping or deployment altitudes). Doing so under a velo loaded 2.4 with a TSO harness and 99 reserve is allowed by FAA but very, very stupid and unsafe common-sense wise. Performing the same jump with a base rig is much, much safer but not allowed by the FAA.

FAA for the most part does not understand skydiving and we are lucky enough that they allow us to do it.

Getting them involved in trivial stuff like this (read non-safety related) will hurt all of us in the end.

You really cannot see the big picture here you are just interested in whatever it takes to feed your ego.

Your train of thoughts is dandy, just dandy

I bet you weren't expecting to write so many posts this week.

You've put a lot of thought into it since your first post. Thanks for your time.

Last year we were jumping from the DC3 with half the number of seat belts.

Last year one of the otters dump skydivers over the line of flight of the carvair and people had to track like banshee to avoid freefall collisions.

This year people were jumping over clouds (read major overcast) all the time.

I stop counting the number of people not buckling up.

But hey you are so busy skydiving and busting people packing BASE tarps that you seem to ignore not just FAA violations but major safety issues.

Dude, use some Windex on that mirror of yours and take a good look at it.

true.

but it's also about how many ACTUAL violations are ignored at the WFFC. why the tough talk on this issue?

I'm sure if Mr. Peek HAD acted just as aggressively on seat belts, cloud clearance, sobriety, etc. issues, then the outcry would drown out the BASE discussion.

A few questions:
1. Out of four (harness, container, reserve and canopy), do container and canopy have to be TSO'd?

2. Can you can pack (in addition to main and reserve) whatever you want into TSO'd harness/container? For example a handkerchief as a main, smallest reserve (approved) you can find as reserve and your BASE canopy on top of it all.

3. Is there anything regulation wise that prevents cutting (using BASE rig only) from a tandem paraglider or an FAA 103 ultralight (provided the pilot is instructor - so he can fly legal tandems and he is not paid for flying)?

4. How difficult and expensive would it be to TSO a BASE harness/container?

Just a few brain waves in the heat of North-East...

I believe it's the harness/container/reserve deployment system, and the reserve parachute (2 TSOs).



I believe that all FAA regulated aircraft fall under the same rules as far as parachuting from them.





Very. I think the easiest way would be to get your skydiving licenses in Germany, and then try to work in under the "foreign skydiver using equipment from home" exemptions. If I recall correctly, most of the BASE rigs on the market have passed the German equivalent of the TSO process.

I think you made the best point in both treads..

therefore you win.. ehm i promise to not fart at a exitpoint near you if i find out who you are

You are such a liar.

READ the HOLE post
I didnt fart near you did i? atleast not in the way i did to Chad and Katie

I wore a seat belt (restraint) when I jumped it. I never heard anyone comment about lack of seat belts. Perhaps you are refering to the restraint systems which were not "seat belts"? If so, I am quite sure the FAA looked at those and accepted them.


If you expect me to personally prevent events like this then your expectations are way to high.


"All the time" would be an exaggeration of course. (In case people don't know this, there were time this year when the event was not on an official weather hold from clouds, but some of the aircraft owners decided on their own to not fly.) This is one of the things that the FAA is really quite reasonable about. They don't violate people if a cloud has been an issue, then simply put the event on a weather hold.


I do not walk up and down the isle of the aircraft I am on to check seatbelts, nor can I in some aircraft. I have not seen anyone neglect seatbelts in several years. The only thing I saw was some guys trying to sit on the floor of the Skyvan where there are no seatbelts. The Skyvan loader and several jumpers spoke before I could.


Like I said, there are some things that I may not notice or even be naive to.

Last time we tried to "make sense of FAA regs" (I know, oxymoron), a skydiver could not be a US citizen or a resident alient (read: permanent resident aka green card), AND the H/C system could not be US made.

Nick, I'm trying to give you something positive to work with or to look forward to. I don't understand how this can be construed as negative or not caring about safety.


I must admit that I have sufficient ego to be convinced that a positive outlook should benefit the WFFC more than a negative one. (Maybe I just learned that from Don.)

peek: lame.

youre wasting an awful lot of time and energy attempting to justify the unjustifiable to a bunch of people who really couldnt care less about what you have to say.

who gives a fuck if the jump happened or not..

you brought the faa into the mix. unacceptable.

thank you.

This goes right into Nuggets!

bsbd!

Yuri.

Come on now! If you didn't care you wouldn't be commenting.

To me it's been time well spent. I've learned a few things about the atitude of BASE jumpers I didn't know, (and I would think people would be interested in that.)


It's very important to the whole situation. The jumper was never at risk from the FAA.

gary, there are many great parachutists. out there.. some are BASE jupers, and some are skydivers.. hell guess what kids!!! there are even some FAA skydiver/BASE jumpers.

I'm annoyed that the real argument gets lost in shit like this. Everyone involved in *anything* dangerous feels like a rebel compared to someone. So skydivers feel like rebels to whuffos... BASE jumpers feel like rebels compared to skydivers. How much bragging would you be doing around the sharkfuckers? It's relative and doesn't do anything to address the ethics / actions of turning someone in. I've seen skydivers and BASE'ers here support GP. I've seen both indict him. Try not to boil me down to a pussy while you're trying to make your point.

respect,
jason

Hey, Martin. I'm sorry to hear you talk like this. You, and others, frequently use the word "respect", but where's the respect in badmouthing entire groups, like skydivers and golfers? After reading what you wrote, I guess I won't be seeing you around the dropzone any time soon?

Anyway, have fun and enjoy life, wherever you are.

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Umm, seriously? Are you claiming that running the AN-2 through club membership was SAFER than the previous system?

I completely agree that jumping a non-TSO'd system at the WFFC is a mistake in that it might bring the FAA down on the party. I just think (and maybe I'm crazy here) that intentionally bringing the FAA down on the party is a piss-poor solution.

That's like telling the cops I was gonna jump a building tonight, and having them come to my house and tell me how bad of an idea it is... come on, seriously?

Yes Seriously. Didn't you read the thread? The guy was packing his parachute. He had intentions of performing an act that's against the FARs but it didn't happen. I don't see why you feel it wasn't a good Idea to bring it to the attention of the FAA rep.

It's going to be really hard for some people to see the sarcasm in that.

Nah, I'm just saying that it's great when people get together to figure out how to make something happen.

I guess I need to uncheck that box that says "Append signature to post". My signature line usually states my thoughts on skydiving fairly well, but it's not working very well for this thread is it?. :)

>>Why isn't this being used now?<<

The Potatoe Bridge is better. Hot air balloons are very WX and wind sensitive and while it was the next best thing - it's not BASE jumping . . . and that's what is being taught in those classes.

However, balloons still fly here almost every morning. And if you want I can try and arrange something for you. This particular outfit won't take skydivers up anymore - just BASE jumpers. They usually have two balloons one for whuffo rides and the other for flight instruction going at the same time.

NickD
BASE 194

Isn't it called a canopy???

How much for that? That will make a few jumpers I know very happy!!!! Oh, you mean going fast!!!


If you lived in our country, you would understand, she is as flat as a 12 yo girl. If you want relativity, hang 500 feet of crap off the basket and then do a floater. Close your eyes, then deploy!!!!!!!!


Funny you should say that. I know a guy who did a balloon demo jump and he actually got a reference from the organisers for doing such a good jump. That reference is now in his BASE resume. Oh, you meant the other reference . . . .


What about using a BASE canopy from an aeroplane? That would be even lamer huh?????



ps. Why do you need relativity anyway. Can't you find your way around the sky without some fixed coordinates and landmarks to guide you?

 


That's good, because FAR 103 say that any flying device lighter than 255 lb, stall speed of 26mph or less and "redline" of 55mph is unregulated.

I recall now an impressive video of russel who cut from a paraglider in a tricycle landing gear.

The re-writing of FAR 103 to bring it in compliance with the Light Sport licence changes that. Basically if its a 2 seater plane of any sort its now brought back into the FAA's hands for regulation. By 2008 all 2 seater Ultralights of any type are to be regulated and this involves the pilot having a licence to revoke and needing to have an A&P sign off on an annual.

They will always find a way...

is "the man" bringing you down again?

I'm guessing that I must have used the word parachute or chute multiple times in a reply to one of your posts?

>>The re-writing of FAR 103 to bring it in compliance with the Light Sport licence changes that. Basically if its a 2 seater plane of any sort its now brought back into the FAA's hands for regulation<<

That's because the 2-place craft are the ones used for flight instruction. And you know some flights are really one time joyrides in the guise of flight instruction. Maybe the Feds feel this is all to close to commercial aviation.

Besides, are you sure about this - I always thought all the two place ultralights were already regulated. Wasn't it always, "One monkey can fly an ultralight, but if it's two monkeys, one of them better be sitting on a pilot's ticket."

None of this affects the single place models as long as they meet the other standards, right?

NickD
BASE 194

ok here is another.

"just because your paranoid, that doesn't make you wrong."

Here are some of the restrictions:

no night flights;
no flights into Class A airspace, which is at or over 18,000' MSL;
no flights into Class B, C, or D airspace unless you receive training and a logbook endorsement;
no flights outside the U.S. without advance permission from that country(ies)
no sightseeing flights with passengers for charity fund raisers;
no flights above 10,000' MSL or 2,000' AGL, whichever is higher;
no flights when the flight or surface visibility is less than 3 statute miles;
no flights unless you can see the surface of the earth for flight reference;
no flights if the operating limitations issued with the aircraft do not permit that activity;
no flights contrary to any limitation listed on the pilot's certificate, U.S. driver's license, FAA medical certificate, or logbook endorsement(s);
no flights while carrying a passenger or property for compensation or hire (no commercial operations);
no renting a light-sport aircraft unless it was issued a "special" airworthiness certificate;
any qualified and current pilot (recreational pilot or higher) may fly a light-sport aircraft.
a light-sport aircraft may be flown at night if it is properly equipped for night flight and flown by a individual with a private pilot (or higher) certificate who has a current and valid FAA airman's certificate.

FAA describes a powered ultralight vehicle as a vehicle that:

* Is used or intended to be used for manned operation in the air by a single occupant (through exemptions, FAA allows 2-place ultralights to be used for instruction only - see below);

* Is used or intended to be used for recreation or sport purposes only;

* Does not have any U.S. or foreign airworthiness certificate; and:

Single-Place

* Weighs less than 254 pounds empty weight, excluding floats and safety devices which are intended for deployment in a potentially catastrophic situation;

* Has a fuel capacity not exceeding 5 U.S. gallons;

* Is not capable of more than 55 knots (63 mph) calibrated airspeed at full power in level flight; and

* Has a power-off stall speed which does not exceed 24 knots (28 mph) calibrated airspeed.

Two-Place

FAA defines 2-place ultralight vehicles in several exemptions to be used for flight instruction only and:

* Weighs less than 496 pounds empty weight, excluding floats and safety devices which are intended for deployment in a potentially catastrophic situation;

* Has a fuel capacity not exceeding 10 U.S. gallons;

* Is not capable of more than 75 knots (86 mph) calibrated airspeed at full power in level flight; and

* Has a power-off stall speed which does not exceed 35 knots (40 mph) calibrated airspeed.



Basically this means a single seater that meets these requirements can only carry 1 person since that is all it is certified for (And max take off on the one I helped build was'nt much more then Gas, spare tank of fuel, pilot and a sack lunch so 2 Bodies on it is WAY over Max take off) and if this is broken then the Pilot risks his/her ticket if they have one, other wise its just fines and the usual court fight. A Two seater Ultralight can not drop parachutists unless it is certified to do so. There is someone floating around in the Gear fourm that used to work for a Powered Parachute Manufactor and had a temp waiver to test dropping jumpers but it was never certified. The 2 Seater has an instructor rating and thats a full ticket so thats at risk also. If its higher specs then these listed... its a Light Sport and thats a full ticket on the line again.