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TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
Hello,

can anybody give an account of some unfortunate landings that have been made in Twin last weekend?

I know of at least a back problem, a leg problem, and a wrist problem, but heard rumours that there were other injuries.

The fatalities of this weekend easily overshadow the other incidents, but in my humble opinion the latter are much better indicators of what we can expect in the coming years.

Thanks,

Jaap Suter
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Re: [JaapSuter] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
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much better indicators of what we can expect in the coming years

A guy makes his first jump (PCA), doesn't unstow the brakes, pulls on front riser loops when everybody on the bridge is yelling, "Pop the toggles!!! Pop the toggles!!!", shlares the tarp with front seat belts and lands on the Bitch without a scratch. I think it's a damn good indicator. Wink
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Re: [JaapSuter] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
Here's the info I have. I'm sure others can elaborate.

- low turn dragging a foot which resulted in a broken Tib/Fib repaired by a 7mm 24 inch rod and 4 screws.

- a believed broken Tib/Fib and Radius/Ulna resulting from a high, downwind flare and stall.

- a broken wrist???

- a believed broken coccyx maybe worse resulting from a dropped toggle and high rear riser flare.

- a broken hip and other bumps and bruises from a downwind landing in the boulder field.

- one other I can't remember right now.

Feel free to correct any of these...
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Re: [tfelber] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
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- a broken wrist???

Something about Abbie jerking off in the vistors center bathroom? I could be way off. Angelic
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Re: [JaapSuter] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
I'm bored at work so I'll fill in what I know/heard.

Thursday - Broken (was it broken?) ankle due to bad landing.

Thursday - Broken hip bone (iliac crest) due to practicing object avoidance maneuvers for a little too long (ended up low). Landed on boulders.

Friday - Broken tib/fib due to hookin' it in.

Saturday - Broken wrist due to hookin' it in.

Monday - Broken T12 vertebrae due to lost/blown toggle, rear riser flare too high and stall.

Monday - broken arm or leg (that's all I know) due to unknown reasons. Yeah, yeah, yeah real descriptive, I know. Tongue

That's all I know, can someone with more accurate info please fill in the blanks or make corrections?
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Re: [tfelber] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
Isn't the river the primary LZ? At least that's what we teach everyone at Bridge Day, where there are 100+ people making their first BASE jump and 825+ jumps made each year. If you're not 100% comfortable with your landing, opt for the water. You dry faster than you heal. Maybe the local jumpers should plant some trees on the shoreline so everyone can be reminded how soft the water is....

Nonetheless, best wishes for a speedy recovery to those injured. I've been there myself. Cya.
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Re: [CanuckInUSA] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
That's what I heard, but I wasn't going to be the first to say it...
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Re: [tfelber] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
I don't know about Abbie jerking-off in the visitors center bathroom? was he injured ? Was he doing his impression again of singer, George Michael ???
But- on a little more serious thought here. and also.
For the people reading this Thread that did not attend this weekend. Relaxing and doing some.
Lazy, Casual BASE jumps off one of the. Easiest, Safest and LEAST TECHNICAL BASE objects offered for your jumping pleasure in the World. Twin Falls Idaho. There is no way you could see or know.
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OK, For SOME of the jumpers that were there might have noticed ? You also need to - Factor-In - this to the (injury) equation.
This is the problem that keeps me thinking and that botheres me the most.
That for the Large Number of Jumpers that attended this weekend.
The Gross number of jumps completed was NOT very Large. Due to the funky but Not Serious weather conditions. With the single day of Monday (memorial day) being the only really nice weather jumping day.
ADD to this FACT, that If the Weather was Primo and conditions ideal and sunny for the entire 3-day holiday. The gross total number of BASE jumps that were made. Could easily been Quadrupled in number.
OK, I think the Question that needs to be asked is. ???
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With this Memorial Day weekend being the Largest (if i am not mistaken) the LARGEST Jumper turnout yet. Why ???
The Percentage of Injuries was SO LARGE. compared the SMALL Total number amount of BASE jumps that were completed .???
Because, I think I have figured out this answer to the question and many people can attest to the fact that I am not even that bright.
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Anybody Else think they have a Rational Explanation of, - (i will try to humble myself when saying this)
...what The Fuck is going on ????
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Re: [pBASEtobe] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
I wasn't there yet on Thursday but I thought there was a broken pelvis too.

The was under the impression that the broken coccyx ended up actually being broken lumbar vertibrae from compression fractures.

The broken arm or leg was both. I don't have any more details about that either thoughCrazy.

Lets not forget about the other impact that ended up with a partially fused spine and collapsed lung -- I talked to Ody today who visited him in the hospital and he is making an awesome recovery!

It was hard to get straight facts so if anyone can elaborate or correct any of that feel freeWink.
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Re: [pBASEtobe] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
It was interesting to see a group of first base course jumpers walk out with their "TeAcher" onto the darkside of the bridge to make a jump. The reason for this seemed to be so they could jump into the wind and not overshoot the landing? Well, the dude who broke his pelvis in the boulder field sure didnt overshoot the landing area... Neither did the next guy to go, who crash landed in between a huge boulder and a bush. Now I dont have nearly enough jumps to teach a first base course, but I would consider this to be not smart...someone please help me understand the instructors ideas for doing this.
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Re: [pBASEtobe] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
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Monday - Broken T12 vertebrae due to lost/blown toggle, rear riser flare too high and stall.

Both her toggles blew on opening. She steered to the tall grass in front of the main landing area with risers and riser flared at about 10 feet. The canopy stalled almost immediately causing her to land hard on her butt. She stood up, but people on the ground (to their credit) told her to lie back down. We waited for EMT's to arrive by boat and they made the decision to airlift her because a bumpy boat ride could have done more damage. She walked out of the hospital on her own power a few hours later. She is home now. She has a fractured t-12 and is expected to be fully recovered in about 6 weeks.
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Re: [gweeks] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
Not directed at you gweeks, but...

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Both her toggles blew on opening.

Why?

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She steered to the tall grass in front of the main landing area

Why?

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and riser flared at about 10 feet.

Why?

...may not have been wearing armor?...

Why?

  • I like water, it's very soft. It has cost me three cellphones so far, but my T-12 is still okay.
  • I like practicing rear-riser landings on the dropzone. People look funny at me, but my T-12 is still okay.
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    Re: [KMonster] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
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    I thought there was a broken pelvis too.

    The broken hip bone I mentioned was meant to be refering to the broken pelvis. Pelvis, hip bone, iliac crest...whatever. Tongue

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    the broken coccyx ended up actually being broken lumbar vertibrae from compression fractures.

    Yup, that was the Monday lost toggle incident.

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    The broken arm or leg was both. I don't have any more details about that either though Crazy.

    Oops!

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    Lets not forget about the other impact that ended up with a partially fused spine and collapsed lung

    Yeah, I left that one out because it wasn't minor.
    But you're right, let's not forget it!

    Ooh, not bad. Anyone have more info on the broken arm and leg on Monday?
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    Re: [KMonster] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
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    The broken arm or leg was both. I don't have any more details about that either though Crazy.

    Broken right ankle and right wrist. Flared too high..
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    Re: [RayLosli] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    I've been asking that question, too.

    WTF?
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    Re: [yuri_base] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
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    In reply to:
    much better indicators of what we can expect in the coming years

    A guy makes his first jump (PCA), doesn't unstow the brakes, pulls on front riser loops when everybody on the bridge is yelling, "Pop the toggles!!! Pop the toggles!!!", shlares the tarp with front seat belts and lands on the Bitch without a scratch. I think it's a damn good indicator. Wink

    I was told and may have been bad info that this guy had zero BASE jumps as well as zero skydives. I watched him from the side fly straight forward after opening into the mud with both hands pulling on front risers. Pirate
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    Re: [RayLosli] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
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    ...what The Fuck is going on ????

    That's an easy one.

    Publicity
    Not enough rigging preparation
    Not enough canopy control preparation
    Not enough mental preparation
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    Re: [lifewithoutanet] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    I just explained it to ya buddy, did you read it? HOw about explaining to me the sense of doing that, since you seem to think its nothing but a cheap shot.
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    Re: [hookitt] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    That's an easy one.

    too muchPublicity
    Not enough rigging preparation
    Not enough canopy control preparation
    Not enough mental preparation

    there ... better
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    Re: [kslay] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    The sense of doing it is that it was a safer place to do that drill. A head wind on one side is a tail wind on the other. That way they could make one turn and land instead of doing 2 turns. The theory makes sense to me.
    They were supposed to land on the beach. They made a mistake. I know I make mistakes.

    Tom is one jumper who thinks of all scenarios before jumping. He himself landed in the water earlier that day(hoseing his cell phone and radio) because he didn't want to turn low.

    Tom is a good teacher.

    If you want to flame Tom, try his fasion sense. You'll have a lot more luck there.

    Be Safe
    -Bill
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    Re: [kslay] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
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    Well, the dude who broke his pelvis in the boulder field sure didnt overshoot the landing area...

    Why did he break his pelvis? What was his landing approach? Sounds like a canopy control issue.

    I land in that field all the time. It's a good landing area.

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    Neither did the next guy to go, who crash landed in between a huge boulder and a bush.

    Another canopy control issue?

    Have you seen other landing areas that get used in other situations? Makes the boulder field look quite nice.

    You're kidding yourself if you think it wasn't the jumpers fault.

    3000 feet of canopy time to land anywhere on a flat skydiving dropzone is easy. If that time is used to practice a certain amount of accuracy, landing in the boulder field is easy. If landing in a turn or downwind is the only option remaining... the water 50 feet over is always available.
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    Re: [hookitt] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    I was half way up the hill and saw the canopy flight. It wasn't good. He was very low when he made his decision. I believe he put himself low while trying out his riser turns. These tend to eat up a lot of altitude.

    He landed down wind on the right side (south side) of the boulder field (the path is on the left side - less boulders). He hit one hip-high boulder thighs first and rolled over it. Me and Ron thought for sure he had multiple femurs. He hit hard!!!

    If at any time you hit a boulder down wind with a perfectly flyable canopy, you made a mistake. I think our Finish friend will agry that he made a piloting error.

    Edited to add: Just saw Tree's post before me. That's a good account, I must have been mistaken about what got him so low.
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    Re: [SullyFlyer] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    I recieved an informative and accurate message regarding the landing. You and Tree are correct.

    Opposite side of the bridge
    Stowed floater exit
    Object avoidance drill
    Ended up low
    90 degree off heading opening
    Chose to go for the tall grass landing zone not remembering the boulders are in there.

    He took a downwinder into the rock field hitting one of the big boulders instead of the river.

    It was a mistake that luckily went "ok". People do that sometimes, and this time, the outcome was not horrible.

    Many of us (including myself) have got away with poor landing choices in the past and luckily this jumper did too.

    The good news, 6 to 8 weeks from now, he can jump again.
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    Re: [Treejumps] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
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    he told me he had done a floater, and had been deep due to not so great stability

    I can't be the only one thinking that we don't have the luxury on sub-terminal (low'ish) BASE jumps to waste time trying to get stable when we mess up our exits. It's better to get something out (the PC) with a less than ideal body position than it is to try and get stable. I think this last weekend proved to us that while Twin may be one of the safer jumpers around, it's still not a safe jump.
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    Re: [CanuckInUSA] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
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    it's still not a safe jump.

    I dont think there is such a thing as a safe jump...but only jumps with minimized risks
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    Re: [pop] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    MINIMAL RISK IS A UNDERSTATEMENT.

    As far as degree of Jump Difficulty, in reference to Twin Falls as a BASE object. It is a Cake Walk.
    A Open Span to exit.
    With almost zero chance of object strike.
    Several Acres of flat landing area.
    Water to exit over or to Land in if desired.
    Legal to Jump. With a relaxed atmosphere to take your time to mentally go over your Jump Plan.
    You can even Hire a Boat to pick you up out of the water for intentional or Un-Intentional water Landing.
    And if you don't want to ride a Boat back to your Vehicle or the grass packing area. You can chouse one, of two low physically demanding ways to go back. A Climb or easy Hike down the river trail.
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    I will go ONE MORE on this subject. I will argue that it is More than a Cake Walk. Hell I have seen a Paraplegic BASE jumper with more canopy control and BASE Game Plan.
    It is a BASE object That is SO LIBERAL and forgiving of PILOT ERROR. It can be used as a Repetitious Training Area for Improvement of Life Saving jump Technique and Muscle Memory Gain for Maximum Spontaneous Action.
    If that is to difficult to handle. I suggest exiting out of Aircraft. Pulling you Pilot Chute @ 2000' AGL. and landing your Canopy in a manicured grass landing area at your Local Skydive DZ..
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    Re: [lifewithoutanet] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    For the record, I didnt know he was doing a floater...I stand corrected. The were in fact also doing object avoidance drills...should that be done with newbies in strong winds? Id like to hear your opinion on that "lifewithoutanet." Dont get yourself all worked up now though, its only a forum on the dorkzone.
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    Re: [RayLosli] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
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    Life Saving jump Technique and Muscle Memory Gain for Maximum Spontaneous Action.

    yep.. need to keep that LSJTMMGMSA finely tuned...
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    Re: [avenfoto] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    Yes you do need, LSJTMMGMSA
    For BASE jumpers that do keep really current on there numbers over several years of jumping. Doing at least 2 BASE jumps a week. There is no problem being current and having quick reflex from the Brain/Motor Drive to the actual muscles that do the life/injury saving maneuvers Spontaneously without Thinking. Spontaneous corrections for the problems that arise on every BASE jump taken.
    The Twin Falls Bridge enables a BASE jumper that is experienced but have laid-off a time to very quickly get current and back to speed on the muscle memory & spontaneous action.
    This is the same thing in relationship to any athletes doing any sport well. It goes to Skydiving as well. Large amounts of Repetitious jump numbers done for. aggressive competitive RW, CRW, Swooping, Free Fly, WS, etc.
    Large numbers of Repetitious jumps make for. Muscle Memory Gain for Maximum Spontaneous Action. Makes you competitive as well as Keeping you uninjured or Alive longer.
    This Bridge is a real gem for the serious learning BASE jumper and it's Easy 365 day a year access for BASE jumping. BUT it's a double edged sword. Running from Pack Job to BASE jump, one after another. It's your best training move for maximum gain for learning. It can be your worst enemy for your Health and for the long-term Free Access of this bridge.
    plus: (this is where i possibly rant)
    Besides BASE jumpers in training the other thing this Twin Fall Bridge draws is a large volume of perspective. BASE Jump Tryouts.
    The problem I See with this. and this is just ( My Opinion ). BASE jumping is NOT Skydiving. This bridge brings the mentality of. WOW I WanaTry BASE.- Looks like Fun & Everyone is doing it.- All my friends are Trying It.- Wow, looks so cool in Skydive Magazine - Wow FJC courses for BASE - Wow his must be the para-Skydive Sport I PROGRESS into after I have Mastered one or two hundred skydive jumps. ...Crazy
    Although Skydives will help you Start BASE jumping safer. BASE Jumping is NOT like learning to Skydive. NOT everyone can learn and should be given the opportunity to BASE jump.
    Learning to BASE jump is not like the Mindset of USPA teaching mass students to SPORT-Skydive by Coddled & Manicured teaching lessons . In Skydiving It is a rare occurrence that anyone is turned away from after being given an Unlimited amount of Lessons and Time. That bullshit is called, No Child Shall be Left Behind.
    If they are a LITTLE SLOW on the learning curve. That's no big deal. The modern skydive student can suck the Tit of his AFF or Dive Coach till he can stay alive. This DOES NOT translate over to BASE jumping. You are not given this luxury as a BASE person learning to jump. You will have Sensory Overload. Then shortly You will be Injured or Dead.
    Ten seconds per-jump of BASE fun is not the wisest health move. The Idaho Span is NOT the party, novelty Bridge Day BASE jump. FU & Stay Away.
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    Re: [RayLosli] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    That is one of the most sensible posts I have read on this forum for ages...
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    Re: [Mac] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    Well said Ray, my slippery footed brother. I couldn't agree more. And me agreeing with you is a rare thing. Keep up the good work and I'll even vote for you at the next BASE Moderators election. I guess it's time to start kissing babies Ray.
    Cheers mate.
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    Re: [psychokiwi_base] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    thanks, Matt but no votes necessary..
    I believe that I would rather be doing my Life Sentence. Being an ill-respected BASE jumper, wondering aimlessly. Who's eccentric Ramblings & Rants are judged as, talk of a Social Misfit and Outcast.
    Than be Moderator of this BASE talk forum, on DZ..com
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    edit to add:
    hey this statement has nothing personally to do with you, TA. it's just that I could not imagine having to deal with fucking righteous, educationally bankrupt, assholes like myself. On a BASE talk forum.
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    Re: [RayLosli] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    Wow, Ray. We've never met but I like what i hear. I think you are talking about the fellow with too much time and money who wants to be the next rockstar of next months video. Then there is the young lady with all that jiggle and the twinkle in her eye who will have no idea when she is in over her head. The buck stops with all of us looking after one another. We can all say something when needed. You might not be popular all the time, but at least you can look yourself in the mirror.
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    Re: [PeteS] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    but at least you can look yourself in the mirror...and say HOLY SHIT who is that old bastard.Winkwho still owes Matt 50 RingitSly
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    Re: [Treejumps] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    True dat Tree.
    Good luck with the Drive in jiffy lube tranny brake smog muffler rigging pastry shop...Wink
    Cya soon. Maybe on a little less hectic weekend.
    Matt.

    It's not tourist BASE if you have to use a sleeping bag as a bodybag!
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    Re: [RayLosli] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
    i second that.

    EDIT,yeah the big old guy is cool(Ray read my line i said big not fatTongue)

    BASEjumping is more and more becoming a sport alike to skydive were people will be abel to learn and progress in a speed never seen before,by the same time people are pushing the human flight even further and further,Ofcourse people want to be a part of that..But the price will be more carnecage if we dont tight up.
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    Re: [RayLosli] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
      Ray, you're point, summarizing between you're two posts, seems to be as follows: That the Perrine is the easiest jump ever, and people are getting hurt because we are putting sub-standard jump students off of it. While I agree wholeheartedly with the first assertion (yep, Twin is as easy as it gets), and suspect that you may be right about the quality of some of the folks making their first jump there (particularly if they're paying 100$ for their first parachute experience ever), I don't think you've gotten to the heart of the matter. In fact, I think commentary like your first post is part of the problem, accurate as it may be.
    I think I had the dubious honor of being the first hospital injury of the weekend- although, thanks to some timely Demerol, I actually got there after the broken-pelvis dude, who hammered in 30 or so minutes after me. In short, I made a slider up flat-n-stable (of the previous millennium), took a 3+ delay, did not have time to turn in, and pounded in cross/down wind and sprained an ankle that had been previously injured on multiple occasions. I would like to take this opportunity to thank gweeks for half piggybacking me to the boat ramp, as the boat itself was not running on Thursday.
    Anyway- what pisses me off the most about that jump was this- Due to an injury in October, I had made exactly 2 jumps in the last six months, the last one at least a month and a half ago. I was certainly in your category of experienced jumps in need of a quick Twin-style reccurrency. And I could have had it, had I had the goddamn good sense to take a few slider down, 1 second jumps, landed on the football field and re attuned my LSJTMMGMSA. This sort of reasonable thinking, I'm afraid, never actually came into play. My only thought was to whether I should do a flip or not. In fact, all I really thought about was how easy the Perrine was, and what sort of new stuff I would try. I had after all, taken 5 sec. canopy rides there before with no problem. So rather than get recurrent and then have a blast all weekend, I spent most of the rest of the time(I did hobble out and make a water jump the next day) sitting in a hotel room, disgusted with myself for what was, in hindsight, clearly a silly-ass combination of dumb and arrogant.
    As the weekend went on and the injuries mounted, one of which was the comp. fracture to a new (and very heads up, despite a shitty chain events she set off with what was almost certainly a packing error) girl who was with our crew, my disgust combined with a sort of mind-numbing sadness, which culminated with Monday morning's trifecta of shit. Or maybe that was from 5 days of Vicodin and beer. In any event, what I am getting at is this: I think that because the Perrine is so easy, because it is such a comparative "cake walk," many of us have had a fairly skewed perception of risk when we are there. Or at least I am completely certain that I did, and several other experienced jumpers I talked to expressed the same sentiment. I would assert that this sense of the Perrine as a cakewalk might manifest itself in; the nature of the jumps we choose to take ourselves; the type of folks we choose to put off; and how we act around the fledgling jumpers we make there.
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    As the weekend went on and the injuries mounted, one of which was the comp. fracture to a new (and very heads up, despite a shitty chain events she set off with what was almost certainly a packing error) girl who was with our crew,

    Heads up maybe. Prepared? I doubt it. I posted already with:

    1 (Too Much)Publicity
    2 Not enough rigging preparation
    3 Not enough canopy control preparation
    4 Not enough mental preparation

    She had a rigging error due to the second thing listed, did not know how to safely land on rear risers, was not mentally prepared to take the water instead.

    Edit: to be a little nicer.
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    Re: [hookitt] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
      Not sure who told her she did everything right, but it was certainly no one from our crew.
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    Re: [RayLosli] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
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    Anybody Else think they have a Rational Explanation of, - (i will try to humble myself when saying this)
    ...what The Fuck is going on ????

    Boogie and BASE were used in the same sentence.
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    Re: [KMonster] TF (Minor) Landing Mishaps
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    The broken arm or leg was both. I don't have any more details about that either though Crazy.

    our friend is in surgery today. tib/fib and fractured wrist. he asked me to post this.

    Please copy & post this as an open letter to the base jumping community..
    I do not wish to reveal my identity at this time.

    I was the 'mystery man' being tended to on the ground when Shannon went in...

    To Frenchie:
    Your tender touch at cradling my head and your warm smile meant more to me than you know.

    To girl shielding my face from sun:
    Thank you for hanging in there and helping me be comfortable....

    To Firefighter:
    You rock. dude!

    To group who carried me to boat:
    Awsum work! Thanks a million!!

    To friends, loved ones of Shannon:
    Words cannot convey my deepest sympathy and profound sadness at your loss.

    To my mates who helped at hospital and got me home:
    You know how I feel.... I love you all!:

    I know I'll heal to jump again. That, and the love I felt there keeps me going!