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http://www.amny.com/news/local/am-mask0428,0,2810933.story?coll=am-topheadlines

Guess this is the smuggling method he wouldn't name in Ground is the Limit...off to cry myself to sleep now

Bummer.........

Good to see the fat suit was in black WAs that a mullet wig?? Awesome attempt! even if eneded bad

On-rereading, he was narced out? WTF???

From the article....

"Empire State Building staff had been tipped off to the caper and were waiting when Corliss got there".

It's not that he got busted... It's the tar (pain) and feathering (suffering) that the "tipper offer" is going to receive that's got me a little worried.

That, and H.L.S. is going to have a whole new realm of B.S. to use as tools against the collective band of brothers..

-smd7

edited to add... Just looked through the slide show. I love the shot of Jeb as a tubby fuc*er.... Should've just had C.R. build you a bigger rig and hopped as a fatty..... The comedy facter would've been about a half point higher..

that was one of the greatest costumes i have ever seen - it's a total bummer that someone decided to ruin it for him - but i give him mad props

Damn, that sucks. Pretty genius setup, and some asshole ruined it for him. Jeb's the whole reason I got interested in BASE in the first place, I'd love to meet him some day.

If this were John instead of Jeb, this thread would be filled with different responses.

That said, Jeb is a great guy and an amazing jumper. I truly wish him the best.

Fuck that shit!!!
No props at all, that was stupid.

All you guys are not aware of the magnitude of this crap, now BASE is in the spot light.

All the factors to make this story even bigger: known person, important building, and high tech costume. It shows the buildings vulnerability for BASE Jumping and it also make people aware of us.


For putting BASE in the spot light and make this story as big as you could.

Thanks Jeb

Damn that sucks. Who would've tipped off the cops?

 
Its all over the place!

Expect New Laws!

http://wcbstv.com/.../resources_news_html

http://hosted.ap.org/...amp;TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

http://www.wnbc.com/.../9054073/detail.html

Medusa

From the looks of that picture, the fine, upstanding folks trying to stop him put Jeb and anybody on the street below in more danger than if they'd just looked the other way on the tip.

So I guess NY's a little toasty right now.

I know that Jeb is everybodys darling but this is dayblazing, objectburning, BASE jumping image upfucking of the worst kind...
But according to some posts
http://www.dropzone.com/...;;page=unread#unread
of NY Jumpers this kind of behaviour is “cool” in the big apple…

the fact is...they are mighty pissed that he made them look a little stupid...thats why him and bubba are soon gonna play moms and dads in the big house...now all fat old geezers will be getting the rubber glove treatment too when they go into any big B in NYC...its a shame they had to recklessly endanger jeb with what they did...its a shame the building owners arent as forward thinking as the malaysians or the chinese..but i guess post 9/11 and the Iraq farce means that they are twitchy...

i think its time us Brits revoked your independence so you can have a slapped wrist and a "dont do it again" like us and all the europeans get when we get caught being naughty...

Rule Britannia...Britannia rules the waves...i wish life was full of chicks and raves

He should have worn a RedBull helmet with a Felix mask

Objectburning! I did not know this building was jumped since 1998 by Thor Alex and a Russian? You should worry more about security guards hanging on to your feet on exit point!

I don't know if that particular object is jumped often...
However, do you consider "objectburning" a daylight jump off a very high profile object like that?
I learned from my mentor that can be considered "objectburning" a jump only if the object is commonly jumped by others, while if is possible to jump the object only "once in the life" this cannot be considered a burning...
Opinions?

(Tom, if you think this is OT please edit my post...)

I agree, I don't consider it "object burning."

It does however, obviously bring BASE and jumpers into the limelight once again, displayed by the media as sneaky, rebelling, crazy daredevils who should be restrained.

I like Jeb, but this publicity stunt could have been spared. It had nobody to benefit but himself, if anything, and only does harm to the rest of the community.

OK, sorry, I trade obectburning with glory hunting then...

If there are 5 "A" 's in a row right next to each other and I day Blaze one of them don't they all get burned . theres 5000 other Buildings now that there going to beef up security on that are right next to the Empire State If it were anyone else u would all be hanging him out to dry

Just saw it on CNN Headline News....... It's funny they didnt mention he was base jumping....only that he was going to parachute from the building... Does this mean they will be patting down all fat people now??

It's a damn shame he didn't pull it off. It's a once in a lifetime jump if he would have gotten away with it.

I'm in NYC now and would have loved to have seen a success on the news instead of this.

Does anyone know if he has bailed out as of yet?

Sounds like JEB's TV show may have needed some better ratings...like they say, no such thing as bad publicity. Well for the true blue BASE Community, this is jacked up and wrong. Knowing a few NYC locals myself, he now has the area in hot mode.

Thanks JEB..hope the ratings boost pay off!!

Hot mode? in NYC? There are not so high profile objects everywhere you look. I really think not. The ESB is the #1 object in the entire city not to jump.

Anyone else find the fact that he's now being called a "wannabe" ironic?

1. Doesn't the ESB have metal detectors?

2. Is there a nice european (or reliable american if shipping isn't absurd) site where I can purchase "the ground is the limit"?

I can try to articulate this in a civil manner but I feel there is no other way:

To all: GET A FUCKING CLUE FOLKS!

Get a clue, really! It's OK for Jeb to daybalze the living crap out of anything he pleases but it's not OK for Felix to do his things and for Miles to jump off the railing!!! If Miles, Shane or Jimmy tried to pull something like this off the response from the community would have been much, much different.

GET A FUCKING CLUE FOLKS!

61 jumps. and u don't base jump. Boy Ithink thats funny. all the people posting that this is cool and dont base
jump how about i go to your drop zone and set your planes on fire, and then u cant jump, would u think that was funny. no it would be really fucking stupid
well thats what Jeb just did he set my town on fire.
so for all u none base jumpers thinking this is cool
stay on the dropzone and off base

The fat suit is cool as hell, and if in fact he paid the 15K for the little toy, I give him due regard for the attempt to "stealth up" the jump. But yeah, 16:30 hours seems a little too complacent. Now, if he'd of applied as a night janitor as the tubby 'ol fat guy and worn it around the building for a week while sweeping up after tourists....

-smd7

Newsday

And more headlines...

magot, I'm not going to argue with you, insult you, or not try to understand how you feel. I really shouldn't reply to your post at all... or even posted my opinion in the first place.

My opinion is only that, my opinion. Yes I only have 61 skydives. I am also 40 years old and understand life and the world. I qualify my opinions with my age.

Had Jeb light fire to the top of the Empire State Building to make a point in protest about not being able to jump the object I could understand your reference to burning airplanes a little better.

I not going to say where I've been, post pictures of where I may go, or even consider jumping an object in NYC without any experience in the realm of BASE which is required.

It was a stunt, JEB got busted doing and it's going to be argued about until it a dead horse.... more than likely well past that point.

I am of the opinion that it was somewhat foolish to attempt the Empire State Building but I can also see the "Moth to the Flame" allure of that object for a person such as Jeb.

My thoughts are, had I the skill and desire I could access a few different objects tonight at 3:00am, keep the secret to myself and get away with it.

All I see Jeb doing is burning the Empire State Building as a site. As if it was ever possible to even be considered a site in the first place.

I'll not partake of the drama here any longer. My opinion is all it is.

Ouch...

Jerry

If you want people to take you seriously about this, then you've got to stop this ,frankly, boring trolling you insist on.

You might have a point to make Jerry, but if you insist on playing the court jester using this alter-ego of magot, who cares what you think.

I know you think your funny, but outside of your circle of mates, you're really not.


ian

I think that if you ask some of the old school BASE jumpers, the ones that started this thing, the ones that know what BASE ethics are all about will tell you that this STUNT was a GREAT disservice to the BASE activity.

Im not trying to flame u Im just saying this is our life its not a once a month thing for use its smething BASE jumpers devote there lives to and people that dont no anything about use should not form opions about use the next time your in NYC ill be gld to buy u a beer or make a skydive with u but this isnt skydiveing. and thats why we do it

Im not a BASE jumper yet either but how can you flame another jumper for doing what you did? You place graffiti on your sites. Which seems to be against BASE ethics, "leave only footsteps"

I think this is interesting just for the simple fact that he went to such extremes to pull it off... and interesting because someone who knew about it went to such extremes as to turn him in. I would imagine only a few people were privey to the information of the jump, so it had to be one of his mates.

I would think BASE jumpers are like skydivers in the sense that we consider each other family... Jeb ratted out the community of BASE but someone ratted him out first.

It's called trolling. Basejumper or not.

So...doesn't the ESB have metal detectors? (2)

When I went there they did... 2 years ago.

I don't know... but making a metal-less BASE harness is simple.

I had to run magots postings through http:// www.babelfish.com to try and understand what he was saying. As someone said... "objectburning" occurs only if the object is commonly jumped by others, while if is possible to jump the object only "once in the life" this cannot be considered a burning. Magot said in a pervious post there are no 'Locals' in NYC anymore an burns objects by vandalizing them and has posted picture to that effect.

I dont care that jeb burned the site as much as the irony that its ok with everyone but he should have jumped and got away . and he doesn't live in NYC I do Idon't go to LA and jump peoples buildings
And He ratted him self out for PR so people will watch his show I base jump and i don't even watch the show. If he jumped and got away that would have been bad ass but he got cought because he wanted to. He's fucking Jeb if wanted to get away he would have shjit the guys gonna land a wing suit
I think he can deal with a security guard.

I thank you, kind ma'ams.

from http://www.newsday.com/...tionalnews-headlines
"His appearance threw off authorities who, earlier in the day, had received a call from someone who claimed to know about Corliss' plan and was afraid he'd get hurt."

what the hell?!.... maybe i missunderstood something

You feeling like you're not the centre of attention anymore Jerry. Is that what's up? It's okay, if you want to share.

ian

Nick,

I'm definitely not "one of the masses", but I would applaud anyone who put that much effort into a jump. Did Jeb heat it up for the rest of us? Maybe, but probably not. Even other buildings in NYC won't be that much more difficult than before.

Whose to say Jeb didn't call security himself. If it was a publicity stunt, as some think, wouldn't that make it even better? If it was someone in the know, which I'm sure are very few, wouldn't they have said he'd be dressed like a fat man?

Jeb, good try!!! The same for whoever tries it next because the ante just went up...

Q: Why did Jeb wear a fat suit?
A: Because he wanted to blend in with the American public.

Well if he was doing it for PR it worked... I didnt know he was a "big deal" in BASE until this. Im a BASE wuffo waiting to get enough skydives to BASE and I didnt know much about him. Now I am curious ... I will watch his show...

Does it make it right? Not for me to decide, but again it cant be for you to decide either, you have broken your own code of ethics....

When I think of BASE I think of these brave people standing at the edges of the earth... looking out at barely charted territory to become one with the sky and to find the most inner peace one can hope to achieve... I see it as a romantic sport (lol sorry its a girl thing) its all very poetic...

Then I see pictures of you writing on BASE sites and it just is rude. IF Jeb planned it himself for PR then thats wrong, but if he did it for himself, for self gratification, so he could become more of what he wants to be in life then I think its great. Cool? No I dont think so, but then again it would have been cool if he had jumped and landed safe. Just as I think it would be cool if you went back and washed that sharpie off... (and got a new hair-do, your to metro lol)

So what you're saying is: he called the coppers so that after doing the jump he could say "look I even gave them the chance to get me"?

Hmmmm...I dunno. The pleasure/risk ratio on that wouldn't be too good.

Edit. Why don't we ask him? Any comments on your attempt to jump the Empire State Building Jeb?
On second thought...the Law is probably reading along so it wouldn't be such a good idea to answer that...

DON'T WORRY I'LL BE THE CENTER TOMMOROW
U CAN BET ON THAT

I don't doubt it Jerry. Cos that's what's important to you. You BASE jump for the attention, anyone can see that.

ian

I'll take you up on that offer mate sometime. I leave the beginning of the week. If yaaa need help making the front page tomorrow I'll help yaa with that also.

I almost feel like I'm on the set of Groundhog Day.

This is a flash in the pan, and it will die down very quickly.

The only bad thing is that the New York Daily News-- which dubbed Thor Alex "The Human Fly" and made him a folk hero--has named Jeb "The Jumping Jackass."

I guess it's the difference between a successful jump and a fist fight, which was probably the big mistake, and I cannot fathom why he though it was a good idea.

When the security guard grabbed Thor Alex's leg, he was already over the security fence and ready to go. TA said, "You're going to kill me, man," and the guard let go. But they obviously nailed Jeb on the observation platform before he climbed up and over, and at that point, I would think that giving up gracefully would've been the smarter move, rather than incurring an assault charge along with the reckless endangerment. The latter charge is a felony and it's worth a maximum of 7 years. Coupled with the assault charge, he's in a lot more trouble than was Thor Alex.

That aside, the Empire State Building is not a jump, it's a stunt. It'll always be a stunt because of the high profile of the object and the lengths one must go to in order to get inside with gear. If this were one of the other tall, but lower profile buildings, you all might have a point. (Thor Alex should never have done what he did to the Chrysler Building, and he deserved the uproar over that, but the ESB isn't your average, everyday object.)

In other words, it's not like Jeb burned a low profile object for the sake of a stunt, which is the difference between what he just did and what certain others have done in other places.

Anyway, keep going. It's interesting to watch. As I said, for me it's almost like Groundhog Day.

rl

With all the attention to detail, Jeb should have brought along some handcuff keys... Some hardware stores sell ones that hide on the belt.

Can you explain what lead you to this conclusion?

I agree fighting with security was a stupid move, and he is in a LOT more trouble now as a result of that. In my view, that is by far the worst part about this. The publicity-seeking aspects of this would clearly be more objectionable to many here if it were someone other than Jeb, who, for some reason always seems to get a free pass on that, and as others have pointed out, if this had been Felix or Miles, he would be getting universally raked here. But to my knowledge, none of them has ever actually fought with the cops in connection with a jump. If it really happened the way the media reports say it did, he could be in real trouble, and in my view, if you fight with the cops when they are only doing their job, you SHOULD be in trouble. There are plenty of incidents in which it appears the cops are the bad guys, but this does not look like one of them. If you want to take the risk of an illegal jump, fine, that's your choice. But if you get caught, you should be prepared to take the penalty. You should NOT resort to common thuggery and try to scrap with the cops!

I for one am glad to see someone had the Drive and the BALLS to even attempt to make another BASE jump from that landmark building after 9-11. Fuck I wish I could have seen the escape crew that was waiting on the Ground to add in his escape Getaway.
Bitch Bitch Bitch is all that is going to be read now on this skydive Semi-BASE forum now. Shame on you for complaining and him doing a BASE jump that if anyone of you had the chance would have tried also.
I hope he ends up on the David Letterman show next week. .....
.

Jesus christ everyone is always bitching about the press "The press the press...don't talk to them!!!" but the way you're all saying he "fought" the security agents makes you all sound like a 2$ gossip mag.

He probably just tried to free himself by struggling a bit and some security chump fell on his ass. Now they are making it sound liked he popped the guy in the chin...
If you weren't there, how do you know he did or did not fight the security agents?

He's screwed if that guard really did hit his head.



Not by me, not for this particular jump.

As I said, there's a big difference between taking on a high profile object as a stunt and totally burning a low-profile object.

The problem with Felix is that he either does offensive things (the Jesus statue) or makes outrageous claims for himself, which is also offensive. OTOH, if he did the ESB, he wouldn't be able to say he was the first.

I think Miles just has too much enthusiasm sometimes, but he has done a relatively good job of redeeming himself lately.



Nope. It doesn't, especially if he hurt someone.

He probably could've wiggled out of the reckless endangerment charge with community service, because there is a fairly recent precedent, but if it's true that he was fighting, he was wrong, and he's going to need a very good lawyer and a very lenient judge to avoid jail time.

We do need to take into account, however, that NYC cops (and security guards everywhere) have a certain reputation, and the news reports may not accurately reflect what occurred.

rl

I've said it before, but I'll repeat it again here.

The fundamental difference leading to the differing perceptions of various high profile BASE types is almost always how they present themselves to other jumpers.

If you work hard to explain and communicate, you tend to get received well--like Dennis McGlynn, for example.

If you don't really try either way, you tend to get a middling reaction--like Jeb Corliss, for example.

If you work hard to taunt and antagonize other jumpers over this kind of thing, you get a more negative reaction.


It's not that hard to figure it out.

Whining that people have a negative impression of you, when you work hard to create that negative impression, is pretty darned silly.

I'm sure most of you don't remember the 1998 ESB jump, or what transpired shortly thereafter, but the similarities are striking. I wanted to write a bunch of stuff here, but frankly, I know some of you will never understand it. So I'll just say this:

I think Jeb's attempted jump yesterday was admirable and I commend him on his attempt. The ESB is not your normal object and you can't "burn" it. If someone had ahold of your legs while you stood on the edge of a 1050' building, you might wiggle a little bit as well. Those security guards COULD HAVE KILLED HIM. What do you expect from a bunch of $10/hr rent-a-cops who will do anything to work their way up to head of security. But they put his life in jeopardy by holding onto him. I've jumped in NYC several times and I would have done the same thing as Jeb.

I laugh at the headlines in the papers. The media hasn't a clue. And I also hope Jeb ends up on the Tonight Show or Letterman as well. He deserves it.

Well, Im nobody, but here's one theory...

"My name is Jeb Corliss and this is Stunt Junkies!!!!. On tonight show in gonna jump off the ESB and Im gonna land thru the sunroof of a 95' Honda Accord 2 blocks away. But to make it more interesting Im gonna call the cops on myself and Im going to use this state of the art hollywood costume that the Discovery Channel paid for me."

Is that possible?

Is this true, Jason?

They pulled him off the ledge? That's a different story--although it won't make much difference in a courtroom.

But unless things have changed a lot up there, it would've been pretty difficult for them to get him back down on the observation deck if he were already on the ledge set to jump.

rl

http://www.nydailynews.com/...487-frontbig0428.jpg

He does appear to be on the ledge ready to turn around and jump from the look of the photo on the NY Daily News Cover. From what I've read they got him by the harness, legs, arms and then handcuffed him to the fence.

Edit: Never mind, same link as above

Rhonda, take a look at the attached pic. If that was me standing on the edge and somebody grabbed my legs through the railing I'd try to kick myself loose too.

As for dear little maggot - you really are trying too hard. We clocked you a while back, this is no parody - just a bit boring really.

Mike M. and Alistair B. were the first two to BASE jump the ESB in the late 1980s. I also know at least one other jumper who did it successfully and without being busted. He took advantage of the fact the observation deck is open until midnight and he took the last elevator up at 11:15 PM. He later told me he went up prepared to jump five times before the wind conditions and a small number of people on that last elevator load made it possible.

NickD
BASE 194

Well, isn't that typically american cops? Treat everyone as criminals until proven innocent. I seem to remember a picture not long ago of a 100 year old woman protesting against the Iraq war, getting handcuffed. Nice job, cops! If I was in Jebs shoes, on that ledge, my face would probably look something like his.

I'd like to see Jeb and the securityguards on Rikki Lake. Topic: "Dude! You almost killed me and don't even know it!"


/Micke N
Team Bautasten

I'm curious when the hell did Jeb have time yesterday to post to the Wingsuit forum? From an office in the ESB? I can't wait to hear the whole story of this. Damn shame someone let the cat out of the bag before he could pull it off.

Can you point out the post? The most recent one I see from Jeb was back in January.

Where the hell do you land in downtown NYC during rush hour without the chance of hurting a bystander?

It appears it was my mistake Tom. A post was made yesterday to a thread he comented on awhile back. Sorry. I had mistaken his login yesterday at "Last Logon: Apr 27, 2006, 4:43 PM" as a reference to the post I saw when I searched messages.

I take back everything I said. If he was on the ledge, that's just as fucked up as it gets.

Edited to add: It's just dumb luck that they didn't kill him. Jesus.

As I said, the security guard got a grip on Thor Alex's leg (close to then ankle), but he let go as soon as TA yelled at him. I can't believe these numbskulls wrestled Jeb down from the ledge.

rl

That was SO my question. Living 6 blocks from there for a number of years, the first thing you learn is to AVOID that whole freakin' area between 4pm and 8pm if you want to walk without having to stop every seven inches.

Bummed that he got caught, but even more so that he resisted. Once you resist a cop in NYC, you get slammed WAY more in court than if you just come quietly. Look at Michael Sergio. Landed right behind Keith Hernandez in Game 6 of the 86 Mets v. Sox series, and walked off with the cops without a problem. Got a few months, but for refusing to give up the pilot, not for the jump.

And of course, my parents called me this morning, "Oh, is this the next thing you're gonna try?"

Sigh. Come on, Jeb... The Plaza wasn't enough for you?

X2!!
When I have the time , all I do is think about how to get on objects that NOBODY jumps but everyone wants to.
"He Burned NY"?...WTF it's NY! Whatever you were jumping there is still jumpable, and anything there that you didn't have the balls to try to jump isn't (to you). It's not like you've all been working with the building owners and the city to jump the ESB legally and now he's ruined it.
Jeb obviously spent a lot of time planning a way off that B and had the balls to go for it. That is what I love about BASE.
If you don't....go jump that same antenna you always jump....you know the one your friend showed you, and told you the best way to get on, the one you think the cops are going to drive 45 minutes to and stake out every night because Jeb tried to jump the ESB.
As far as fighting to get out of the security's grasp, Good for him! he was on the exit point passed the fence no one was "going along for the ride with him"
What ever happened to not going to jail with a packed rig? If I'm on an exit point...I'm going to try to jump. He didn't strike anyone intentionally and he was fucked at that point anyway.
If you are worried about the concequences of getting caught BASE jumping maby you need to think about the getting killed part a little longer before you keep jumping and re-evaluate your priorities.

I'M Handing out homework assignments to all you whiners due in two weeks:
GO OPEN AN OBJECT, JUMP SOMETHING YOU'VE NEVER JUMPED BEFORE.
Best feeling in the world.......
Have Fun
~J

It was not the first time for to Thor Alex. A few years earlier he was in the same situation on top of bridgepylon. A cop sneaked up behind Thor Alex just as he was going to jump, and grabbed him! Thor Alex didn't quite like it, so he pushed the cop down to the floor, grabbed his throat and said (free translation) "Just be still! I'm a lot more bad ass than you are.". Well... he got some shit for doing that, but had it been in the states he would probably still be alive, doing time in a "correctional institute" somewhere...

/Micke N
Team Bautasten

Theme music from the Beverly Hillbillies:

"gonna tell you about a story about a man named Jeb... Poor mountaineer barely kept his family fed... [more] Black gold I tell ya."

Suggested by Walt Appel:

"..and then one day he was shootin' for a "B"
... and out from the fence came the long arm of the P...
Police, that is...
heavy fines, jailtime."

<laughing>

He was something special, was Thor Alex.


He had as much a knack for getting out of trouble as he did for getting in...and he had the instincts of a cat.

The first time he tried to do the Twin Towers, he was pouring sweat, and he couldn't stand still or shut up. The reason became apparent when the line moved up, and it was obvious that security was hand-checking all packages.

I don't know how he knew ahead of time that it wasn't right, but he did, and he got out of there very quickly. <laughing> I don't think he was very happy when I wanted to get the tickets refunded. I'm not sure who won, although I still have the stubs from the ESB and nothing from the WTC, so I guess it was me.

</hijack>

I miss him.

rl

I know it's a repost, but what the hell! Mike exiting and Alasdair watching, April 1986.

Al

The video report on this website show a little more unseen footage:
http://www.cbsnews.com/...ow/main1556459.shtml

How is holding onto his leg nearly killing him? The worst that could have happened is a tumbled exit. As if jeb couldnt have delt with that. He didnt "nearly kill him" by holding onto his leg. With regard this forum.I wouldnt have thought base jumpers could be so mellow dramatic

It looks and sounds to me like he was saying 'let me go' and struggling out of fear that the stupid rent-a-cops would end up killing him. There was no assault, and that charge will not stand in court. He will plea it out to a $10,000 fine and walk.

It's too bad he didn't get to do the jump. I would have loved to see the helmet cam footage....

Zipp0

Exit?
Without push.

Okay, you go up there and try a "tumbled exit."

"Mellow dramatic" is an oxymoron. And spellcheck is your friend.

rl

English is not my first language, you understand my meaning.

Im not moron or an oxy.

I think what she is trying to say is that a skydiving exit has no relation to a Base exit. A tumbled skydiving exit is no big deal. A tumbled Base exit is most likely a death sentence.

I have seen it done many times in BASE

BBC link here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4953958.stm

Damn...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/...americas/4953958.stm

Clicky.

Next to a building?

W......T......F....?
Okay so I'm new and don't know sh*&t from my head ,but if its one thing I do know is Brother Hood and I'm not seeing much of it here. I've seen JEBs vids and have looked up to him every since and I find it very hard to belive that 2 days ago most of you didn't do the the same. But all I hear today is how you think this effects you. And nothing has even happened yet ( not that it wont ) but damn , what about Jeb is he out, is he okay , is there some way we can help, I know when my dumb ass brother got locked up. it didn't matter to me if he was right or wrong I still bailed him out first. who are we to judge. dont be jealous dont be a hypocrite dont be judge mental be a brother be a family. thats one thing that turn me on to this sport. I don't know, just a one jump wonder tring to brake up a family fight.
thanks for letting me speak and JEB,... Blue ones boss
PEACE OUT

curious about t-shirt Jeb is wearing when arrested-

3-7-77

Does this stand for 3 hrs. 7 min. 77 sec. to leave town? Dimensions of a grave: 3 ft. x 7 ft. by 77 in.?
Or mason workers building walls??

SMiles

I am sure you are not directing this to me. I don't really have any problem at all with this. It would suck to be Jeb right now.

I gotta remember the url tags next time

If he cant do a good launch he is risking hitting the ledge. That is why holding on to his leg or "tumbled exit" would be deadly.

NO not you it was just the nearest reply button sorry.

I am not a jumper so I don't know, but when I saw the pic of the dude holding his leg I kept on thinking, this could have turned really nasty for Jeb.

Especially that building.

Note to chinmao:

I avoid PAs on Tom's forum. It saves him the trouble of chastising me. Therefore, your English lesson for today follows:

ox·y·mo·ron: a rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined, as in a deafening silence and a mournful optimist.

mel·low: relaxed and unhurried; easygoing: a mellow friend; a mellow conversation.

dra·mat·ic: of or relating to drama or the theater.
Characterized by or expressive of the action or emotion associated with drama or the theatre.

Anyway, I bet you've never been to the top of the ESB, so you have no idea what you're talking about.

A "tumbling exit" would have killed him.

rl

so have I... but not from the Empire State Building. Have a look. Where do you think you'd land if you took a tumble with no "jump" from the Obs. deck? My limited understanding of physics and architecture says he'd probably hit the building, no matter how good his subterminal track is.

Not all BASE jumps are the same. Especially this one. Any BASE jumper that can tell me they wouldn't try for the ESB given the same resources that jeb has should be limited to the Potato. Jeb has more BASE motivation in his pinky finger than most of us reading and writing in these threads put together.

edited to add: Jumbo Shrimp.

There is a specific reason why ESB security is so much higher now than when it was last done in 1998. A couple years later, a man of middle eastern descent somehow smuggled an AK-47 to the observation deck. He shot and killed several people before turning it on himself. It turns out he that he was severely mentally ill.

AMEN....POPE.....AMEN

Discovery Dumps Corliss

By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 4/28/2006 3:38:00 PM

Discovery Channel has dumped Jeb Corliss from its Stunt Junkies series after the host tried, unsuccessfully, to jump from the Empire State Building.

In a statement released Friday, the company said: "We are beyond disappointed at his serious lack of judgment and his reckless behavior. As such, Mr. Corliss will not be associated with any future Discovery Networks projects including future episodes of Stunt Junkies."

The show, produced by CBS Productions, "operates under the most stringent regulations to ensure the safety of the athletes participating as well as the production crew," said the channel in a statement. "The network requires its producers to obtain all the necessary permits and permissions from local authorities prior to filming. No one at the network had any knowledge of Jeb Corliss's activities at the Empire State Building.

Corliss was attempting a "base jump" from the 86th floor observation deck of the Manhattan skyscraper.

He entered the building in a a rubber mask and a foam fat suit to diguise his parachute and video gear. Building staff had been tipped to the stunt and a guard grabbed Corliss’ leg as he climbed over a security fence before he could jump.

The stroy became national news fodder, with video of police extracting Corliss from his perch and some debate over whether he would have to pay for the piece of iron railing that was removed to get him--he had been handcuffed to the fence.--John M. Higgins contributed to this story.

Melodramatic, of melodrama.

Main Entry: melo·dra·ma
Pronunciation: 'me-l&-"drä-m&, -"dra-
Function: noun
Etymology: modification of French mélodrame, from Greek melos song + French drame drama, from Late Latin drama
1 a : a work (as a movie or play) characterized by extravagant theatricality and by the predominance of plot and physical action over characterization b : the genre of dramatic literature constituted by such works
2 : something resembling a melodrama or having a melodramatic quality
- melo·dra·ma·tist /"me-l&-'dra-m&-tist, -'drä-/ noun


You knew this is what i mean in my first thread but because you are looking for arguement you pick up on my bad english. It is probably the time of your red pants.

...zing!

ouch
It's a really really bad day for Jeb.

YES that sucks WHO'S the rat I wish I new why someone would do that to him?

I have a feeling he thrives off bad days. Notice his smile in those police photos...it means something.

Like there was any question Discovery was gonna dump him. STUPID to think otherwise. Even if he'd made it, he would have been dumped.

Full disclosure: Discovery used to be a client. They no longer are ,and my above comments are from me and me alone.

I think it was a question of dump or be dumped.

Here's what I remember.

There was more than one security checkpoint and we went through several metal detectors. They also insisted that the camera be turned off as we were going through the halls, up the elevators, through more halls and up more elevators. (Part of the journey involved a staircase, because I remember a very speedy trip down it on the way out.)

The guy with the AK-47 must've done something really interesting to get it into the building, because I wasn't altogether certain we were going to make it to the top uncaught.

But security was there, right there, before they got off. The only difference is that when Thor Alex said "let go," the guy who had him let go and the rest of them backed right off.

I'm still trying to understand why these guys didn't let Jeb jump and then just nail him on the street. It would've been easier for everyone.

rl

I was under the impression the the reason he was hired by The Discovery Channel as a host was his perceived lack of judgment and his historical reckless behavior.

I heard he went to central booking at 2:00am, any idea where he is now?

I tried to tell you in as humorous a way as possible that you are wrong in your assessment of the site and the danger of a "tumbled exit" from the site.


The English phrase you're looking for is "you must be on the rag."

rl

Premenstrual Syndrome: Just before their periods women behave the way men do all the time. Robert A. Heinlein

I don't know I think "red pants" is funnier.

I find a part of this discussion interesting, most of which revolves around the concepts of:

a) attacking Jeb for attempting to jump the ESB and 'burning it'.
b) being offended that if another jumper did the same thing the reaction from dz.com regulars (not BASE jumpers, just the people that post on dz.com) would be different.
c) criticism of methods used by the guards on the buidling to detain Jeb.

The ESB is a high profile object which has been jumped very few times, it's hardly anyone's regular object. The concept of 'burning' it is exaggerated as no one was using it. The risks of jumping such a high profile object are obvious, and Jeb (and likely everyone who has attempted to jump such high profile objects) take as many precautions as possible to make the jump successful. Jeb did the same thing, and confronted difficult odds of success. The bust factor is high, the landing is technical, and access to the exit requires some definite creativity. He likely did his best and failed. That's not an uncommon outcome for those who attempts high profile objects or open new objects. It's one of the challenges of forging new ground.

I've been on top of the ESB and I've jumped with Jeb. I found Jeb's BASE ethics and drive in the sport admirable. While that's a subjective opinion, I (and I'd like to think others) hold their subjective opinions based on evidence. The fact that other jumpers may be flamed for 'burning' objects is a) unprovable in this situation, since they didn't attempt to jump the ESB and b) likely based on something other than their success of failure in jumping the object. People develop reputations and identities based on what they say (about) themselves as well as what others say about that individual. If anyone feels that another jumper would be treated differently than Jeb, I'm curious why they believe such a delta exists. I'm also curious how familiar they are with Jeb, his experience, his knowledge, his sense of ethics and his attitude. I'd hypothesize that one's reactions are directly correlated to their perception of a jumper's experience, knowledge and sense of ethics.

While it's nice to read the headlines and articles posted on the internet and speculate, none of us were there. Have you ever been at an event that was covered in the press? How accurate the was the write up? There's more than one side to this story and no one has heard Jeb's side of it yet. While it's fun to make comments from the sidelines, Jeb was the one who actually there and actually attempting something interesting and perhaps amazing, while the rest of us are sitting in chairs, staring at screens, and typing on keyboards. I think a jumper who spends time jumping, scouting new objects, opening new objects, and spends a few years in the sport has a different point of view on situations like this versus someone who's just earned their BASE number, made their first few jumps, or hasn't jumped at all. One learns by experience, and when you attempt to open a new object or jump a high profile object you may well feel differently. You also may not feel differently, you may still hold the same opinions, and those with more experience may still criticize Jeb's actions.


The guards on the top of the ESB live in a city that has seen it's two tallest skyscrapers crumble. They (like many) are probably trying to a) climb the corporate ladder, b) keep their jobs, c) do a good job. They nabbed someone doing something unusual and obviously illegal, looking at the situation through their eyes, it's pretty easy to understand that they'll do whatever they can to ensure they catch him. If anyone thinks that enforcement officers are looking for ways to be gentle and kind to someone who has climbed on the over the big rail onto the other side on a high profile object ilke the ESB, you're wrong.

Much like another poster here, I feel like it's Groundhog Day.

-=Raistlin

yer, what he said.

I'm betting on one of the "Fat Suit" makeup crew. They would have had his regular photo, as well as known down to the hour when he was going to attempt entry to the building.
Probably not being BASE jumpers, they would have no sense of BASE, the idea of BASE family, and would rat him out for his own 'protection'.

359

It's interesting that they chose to dump him due to an illegal jump when the very introduction to his show clearly shows him making at least one illegal jump [golden gate].

I wonder how Jeb is getting along with his large cellmate, Mick the Spoon.

I find funny the way you put redeeming himself. Like if he was in debt with you or any body else.

Miles is a really good guy and he has done good things because he feels like doing them.

Medusa

If this make you feel better I can assured you he didn’t went to jail with his Rig pack.

You can clearly see in this picture that they toke all the rig apart!!

I just got back from visiting Jeb in Rikers Island. He's in good spirits and is glad to here the support from jumpers around the world.

If anyone wants to convey their support, I am going to print out this entire thread tomorrow and bring it with me.

I think he's great for giving it shot.

Wow, it'll be the first time Jeb has worn anything but black. An orange jail jumpsuit and orange slippers.

I thing the ESB is awesome and it was worth the try. Cool suit

Today must be my day for reading the dictionary. "Redeem" in the sense of: to restore the honor, worth, or reputation of.

The sentence I wrote would have been more precise if I had written "Miles has done a relatively good job of redeeming his reputation lately."

Except for commenting on his enthusiasm (personal judgment from a distance based on stories I have heard), I have not commented on what I think of what Miles has done, one way or another. And no, he doesn't owe me a goddam thing, but we all owe something to the community of which we elect to be a part.

rl

Thats because he didn't prepair correctly by covering himself in Vaseline and and telling the guard "I am HIV positive" so dont try grabbing me!...

I'll bet that would be a great police auction find...

This one of the best BASE attempts ever! It would only be better if he had fought the police off, made the jump and got away! This in essence, is the spirit of BASEjumping, To buck the man,achieve what they say can't be done, to flaunt the system to the highest degree possible. To all the pussies who only jump the Perrine and other legal objects,
Take note, and revel in the fact that you are not worthy. BASEjumping in it's purist form is an illegal form of self-expression and indifference to the so called "norms " of society". We are the anti-Federalist's, we do not adhere to the norm of a so called civilized society. We are not special, just adnormal. Long may the outlaws prevail. They are the wisdom that changes society. This sport, if I may call it that, has endured and prospered due to the imagination and courage of those willing to take chances, even if it bucks modern thinking.He attempted a crown jewel object that has no bearing on local objects. The people complaining are those who, in their fantasies,could have done this jump. Let's all give a big round of applause, to the free-thinkers, who are not content to sit on their asses and wonder about "what might have been"

***warning... non-BASE jumper***

Just wanted to say... Even though I am not (and most likely never will be) a BASE jumper, I have seen Jeb's demo's and Fearless... I think he is amazing and has made great advancements in the sport...Keep your spirits up Jeb! I think it was an awesome attempt... Good luck

***edited since he is out of jail and can read it on his own now***

On all your post you try to make people look stupid. In this post you have done it 3 time already. By the way thanks for the unnecessary English lesson.

Let me put it in an other way for you:

you wrote:

"Redeem" in the sense of: to restore the honor, worth, or reputation of.

By redeeming your reputation you are redeeming your self. Right

My question is:
You are implying in your statement that he has done bad in the past. "Thats why he is reredeeming his reputation lately"

What he has done in the past that he needs to redeem his reputation?

You can simply admit that you are judging a person that has not done wrong.

I don’t own the truth and so do you.

Something smells funny here.

Empire State parachuter charged with reckless endangerment

April 28, 2006, 6:14 PM EDT

NEW YORK -- A television series host who tried to parachute from the Empire State Building in a stunt he wanted to film for his show was released on bail Friday after being arraigned on charges of reckless endangerment, resisting arrest and other offenses.

J. Ray Corliss IV, whose first name is Jeb, made the $3,000 bail set by a judge and walked out of a Manhattan courthouse with his lawyer and a friend. Corliss, of Malibu, Calif., hosts the Discovery Channel show "Stunt Junkies."

Authorities said he got through Empire State Building security wearing an elaborate mask and a fat suit that concealed a parachute. When he got to the building's 86th floor, he took off the disguise and tried to pull off his stunt, prosecutors said.

Security officials had been warned of a possible jumper and were able to spot him and keep him from jumping, authorities said. Police arrived, threw a net over Corliss and handcuffed him before reeling him in.

His lawyer, Mel Sachs, told the judge that his 30-year-old client had no criminal record and lives with his parents. Sachs said Corliss had never done a stunt for his own show and wanted to record the Empire State Building jump with a camera attached to his helmet.

Sachs said that when Corliss tried the stunt, he "exercised all safety precautions."

"He had planned and calculated so no one would be injured," he said.

Sachs said Corliss wasn't resisting arrest and claimed that the way the police grabbed his client put him in a dangerous position. He said that if the parachute had opened, it could have "torn his arms off."

The judge ordered a return date of Aug. 15.

- I'm happy he's out and only faces reckless endangerment charges.

I may not snort coke, but that's a damn fine reply if there ever was one. Well said!

His lawyer, Mel Sachs, told the judge that his 30-year-old client had no criminal record and lives with his parents. He lives with his parents??????

Wow, I thought you guys did it just because it was a shitload of fun.


Glad to see reasonable bail was set though. Sounds like he'll get off lightly.

and was covered in vaseline...Now thats reality TV at it's best...

As long as you don't feel stupid, it makes no difference, except to the extent that you are wrong in the motivation you attribute to me.


<snipped>


I am implying nothing. I will state, however, that Miles has been the subject of much controversy.

What you do is not your reputation. What people think about you and say about you is your reputation. Reputation is defined as "the general estimation in which a person is held by the public."

Do a search in these forums for Miles, and see what comes up. By the definition above, his reputation in this community is not sterling, regardless of how much you like and admire him.


What you have missed now in each of these posts is that I made no judgment of my own, except as to Miles' enthusiasm and the fact that he had gone a long way to repair the general public estimation of him (i.e., "redeem his reputation"). That was all. You obviously have an ax to grind, but I am not a whetstone, so do it elsewhere.

In other words, don't put words in my mouth and don't attribute to me thoughts that I have not expressed.

Now, you can feel free to hijack this thread one more time for the purpose of defending Miles from...nothing, but having answered each of your posts, I'm now done.

rl

Hey Rhonda, Can i use that... Thats priceless.....

How you bin?/ Hope all is well...

Odd, isn't it, that even as a media "has been" , Jeb apparently has enough cachet to hire Mel Sachs.

OTOH...one of my ex-boss' law school buddies agreed (with much enthusiasm) to represent (gratis) Thor Alex just because it was such a cool case. It turned out to be unnecessary--everything was pretty well resolved before Tim could even get into Riker's to see him, but this is the kind of case that criminal lawyers love.

rl

It made the Yahoo! front page.
http://news.yahoo.com/...empire_state_stunt_1

I wish the BASE jumpers could've work something out with the city prior to the jump, but I don't people becoming that accepting any time soon. <<sigh>>

 
Glad to see reasonable bail was set though. Sounds like he'll get off lightly.He's out already! shit what the hell am I going to do with 300 Black(ofcourse) "FREE JEB" shirts I had printed up this morning?!
~J

Damn I been thinking about this ESB jump all day at the job. I wish now that he had thought of some type of (Diversionary Tactic) choreographed out when he changed clothes and made the bathroom extraction & went for the fence. Some type of scuffle or argument of fake medical problem prearranged with accomplices to attract the Security and draw them away @ the moment of the exit attempt.
Man SOooooo Close but not able to step off. It's eating @ me as well as others im sure. So you know it got to be killing him.
.

He should've had someone to do the Alka Seltzer, foaming mouth, fake seizure bit with an extra to play the "stand back, I'm a doctor!" part.

Doesn't Tom teach this sort of stuff in base camp? Or is that in the advanced class?

I agree with you, so close yet so far. Has to suck, it would have been the most amazing feat with digital video footage!

I'm wondering who the Judas was/is?

I wish he would have pulled it off.

Hey Mike, I think you should give it a go! We could dress you up like a "special" person and then do the jump naked... I'm sure acting retarded wouldn't be too off the wall for ya.

G

First of all, let me say that I am neither a skydiver or a Base jumper due to the fact that I am a minor living in the US. However, I do hope to one day become both, and I have watched videos at Skydivingmovies.com and read some material about BASE and skydiving.
One question that has been bothering me ever since I learned about Jeb was how he affords his lifestyle. I read in one of the online articles of CBS or NBC that his fat suit cost him 15 grand. He seems to have many high quality rigs and equipment and in his videos, helicopters are always taking him to the exit points. As far as I know, he does not have a day job, and yet he has ample spending money. Do BASE companies, dsc channel, sponsors, etc... just give him free stuff? Don't get me wrong, I highly admire Jeb and I think his jumps are amazing and graceful, but I just can't shake this question.
-Nate

Just curious on treejumps reaction to all this.....

oh yeah tree, on your next jump, when you flail, just blame it on Jeb getting busted on the ESB!

Happy flail......................

Hmm..amazing he didn't mention anything about bailing out when you were there. Probably close to the same time actually....



Tom, thanks for posting that link. I know Ted has a 3triple7 beanie that i've been trying to steal from him..but yeah...I liked the philosphy section

"...Think for yourself. Be conscious of your actions. Question all authority. Acknowledge who you are. Be ardent about something...anything. The key to contentment is the ability to dream. And the key to success is to fulfuill those dreams. Show respect and you shall receive it. Integrity is strength...use it...."



I give props to Jeb for being out there pushing the limits. Think about it, its fuckin awesome. Here the world is going on with it's routine Thursday afternoon, their busy lives...running errands, working, posting online..drama.. etc...well, normalcy...and here Jeb is dressed up as an old fat guy tourist..could you image what he must have felt from the second he got into his car (or transportation of some sort) to just start the drive to the ESB, just watching everyone going about their lives with no second questions that he was about to attempt something so amazing..it gets my blood pumping just thinking about it!....not to mention the detailed planning he invested in this jump....credit is given when due...and I respect someone a lot more when the effort put forth is so obvious....it takes dedication...it takes focus..it takes balls.

*Props to you, Jeb*

Disclaimer: Yes, newbie - but I have scouted several B's on my own lately and am starting to "gain an understanding" on how much it takes to get a building opened, and none have been close to the level attempted here (high profile - NYC - ESB)

There probally isn't one person on this forum with the stones to attempt this jump!
Even though you got busted, "great job Jeb"!

thanx

Three Triple Seven clothing and IFILM-
hmmmm
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2691605
Ground Impact Productions
BASE concepts: Introduction/ BASE concepts: Authority


http://www.cbs.com/...r/?source=vanity_url

http://dsc.discovery.com/...es/stuntjunkies.html
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hmmm- stunt junkies, tv & hollywood-
3 triple 7 clothing & IFILM


Unfortunately due to the 3 triple 7'z I'll have to let some ordinary BASE jumpers know they are not the most hard-core- and their realm will be destroyed!!
re: Taras at my d.z. may not have a future in acting/ skydiving/ bird-man/or BASE- but at least he could play the part of a 3 triple 7 just as well- if not better !!

http://www.tarasmovies.com/


SMiles

Not replying to anyone in particular. But what Corliss attempted was stupid, plain and simple.

It's one thing to jump a tower, etc in the middle of nowhere, but NOT jump in a city with pedestrians below. If he would've had a mal, then not only him as a casulty but possibly an innocent person on the ground.

yeeahhhhhhh!

and you just sniveled in!

next!

Ever seen the remake of The Thomas Crown Affair?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0155267/

There is a scene where the authorities are waiting at the museum for Pierce Brosnan to show up and attempt a heist. Next thing you know, he is showing up on all of the security cameras. He has filled he building with dozens of doubles all made up and dressed exactly like himself with identical top hats and brief cases.

I think it might be fun to be a double.

Well said. It seems there are far too many skydivers walking around with BASE rigs (and even numbers) these days.

-=Raistlin

That's the risk of jumping buildings... what's your alternate suggestion?

-=Raistlin

No alternate required. VFR direct.......comprende'?

I was just making a statement. An "opinion".... Like I said, I directed that at no one in particular......

get a clue... this thread (and this forum lately) is FULL of opinionated non-base jumping stupid motherfuckers... take your pussy-ass scared of The Edge whiny fuckingselves elsewhere...like the bonfire.. thank you have a nice day.

magot said it best.. "if you dont base jump then why are you posting in the base forum?" goodbye.

You're getting a lot of interesting responses, but here's mine:

You skydive, right?

What happens if you bounce and hit someone on the dropzone? Not all the folks on all dropzones are skydivers--some are spectators or they have other business to do. And dropzones are usually on public airports, so what if the spot was bad, and you land on a student pilot?

Or maybe you fall into the prop of an airplane taking off or landing?

Not likely, right?

It's less likely that Jeb would've mal'd on that jump than you will do any of the above.

Your position is ill-thought because it means the end of all parachute jumping, not just base from a city building.

Finally, I don't think a base jumper has ever killed a bystander, but skydivers surely have.

rl

Ok. that's funny...
Almost like saying... What you drove a car!? during rushhour traffic!!! you could have had your brakes go out and killed someone!
what? you went...skydiving?! ... What if your 'chute" didn't open and you landed on a cow?
Sorry, it's friday and i'm drunk...off to sleep...
~J

this is a public forum and anyone can post. if you don't like it, start your own forum and only allow base jumpers to post. until that time i guess you are just going to have to deal with us non base-jumpers and our opinions.

SMiles

Well Malibu should of been your first clue.. It is one of the most expensive places to live...

Next clue ...living with parents... in Malibu... at 30...

It's called rich cool parents...

you gota love it....

Tom, are you for real on this one?

The reason why I am pissed off is not because of the fact that Jeb attempted the jump (and too bad with all that commotion he did not make it) it's because when it comes to "BASE ethics" the community has different measures for different people. Please Tom, do some introspection on this one, and be honest with yourself...would have you felt differently if Miles, Shane, or Jimmy H attempted the jump? You know the answer.

PS
Jeb by the way has only one name in his BASE agenda and that name is Jeb...

Edited to add: Question has been answered... Thanks Robibird...



I am curious to this also ... if the below is Base ethics ,then what does this mean?


I am not taking any sides but it seems there are amendments for certain Individuals....

I'm not Tom, but I'll take a shot at it. First of all, I don't understand why anyone other than Jeb and crew really give a flying fuck about this whole thing.

There is a class of objects where the bust factor is so high that it is simply not possible to burn them because they are completely undesirable to all but a tiny handful of jumpers who want the jump and the notoriety that goes along with it. ESB is one of those objects. Even if it were legal I doubt I'd want to jump it so dayblaze away--it's open to all as far as i'm concerned.

To me jumping those objects is separate from regular BASE jumping. BASE ethics really don't apply. What *does* apply is human ethics. Are any of the ESB security people going to lose their jobs over this? As one poster pointed out, was he putting others at risk by attempting this jump?

I don't know, but questions like that apply to *anyone* attempting this type of jump.


I've never met Jeb, but if he has spent time mentoring others in this sport, and I have no idea whether he has or not, then that's a very unfair statement. For this jump, though, no doubt it was all about him.

When Thor Alex jumped all those buildings years ago, you could have easily said his BASE agenda was all about him. I met him in Norway at Kjerag. He definitely wasn't all about himself.

Walt

You present a different "logical" point of view. Point taken. I'm guessing my view was slightly tainted by an extremely large beer last night.....

Yes...yes. If it was legal then... WAIT WHAT?

Please...indulge me. Why wouldn't you want to jump it even if it was legal?

my comment is - bummer !!
...and that comment would apply to anyone who would try and end up caught like Jeb did.
Such object can't be classified as regular object nor the person who dare to jump can be blame for object burning...

Would be the best to stop all that big drama about it.
Jeb for sure knew the risk and the consequences and now he is dealing w this in the best way he can.
For those who attacking him for object burning I can only say that in few weeks or bit longer they will have a chance to try to jump... and probably will be stopped.
I wonder why no single base jumper who is so against Jeb haven't try to jumped since Thor...

Envy or jealousy, or?!

Looks like Jeb pulled a Lindsey Jacobellis. Sucks to be Jeb. You had it all right in front of you.

OK, add some music from the Rolling Stones with Mick Jagger whailing "ya can't always jump what cha want... ya can't always jump what cha want..."

> I have seen it done many times in BASE
And you have seen VERY LUCKY jumpers too

What a great nugget!!!!!

hey, go easy on the boy. i seen his picture. he's kinda cute!

Corliss is a dumbass and has ruined base for every other jumper.

Bryan

your probably right. so i just went out and burned my rigs, cuz now that BASE is ruined for me, who needs them? DAMN YOU JEB, DAMN YOU!!!

<sarcasm>

Hey Ody, sell me your rig
~J

I think this is what Jeb has to say about it all.

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Jeb Corliss sticks out his tongue as he meets his girlfriend, Anber Mekush, following his release on bail after he was charged with reckless endangerment, assault and resisting arrest for trying to parachute off the Empire State Building yesterday. Corliss, 30, is one of the biggest risk takers in the underground sport of BASE jumping - an acronym that stands for Bridge, Antenna, Span and Earth jumping.

-

Jumpin' jerk dreamt of being a flying fool

BY BARBARA ROSS and JOSE MARTINEZ
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

Jumper Jebb Corliss and gal pal Amber Mekush taunt onlookers yesterday.

The joker who tried to parachute from the Empire State Building insisted yesterday he was only trying to live out a high-flying fantasy.

A day after being snatched from the edge of the 86th-floor observation deck, Jebb Corliss tried to paint himself as a law-abiding citizen who, for two years, had mapped out each step of his planned plunge onto Fifth Ave. at rush hour.

"I am a BASE [Bridge, Antenna, Span and Earth] jumper, that's what I do," Corliss said outside Manhattan Supreme Court, after being released on $3,000 bail. "And one of my dreams was flying off the Empire State Building."

The TV-stunt-show star's fantasy was foiled when cops and security guards - who had been tipped off that there might be a jump - nabbed him more than 1,000 feet above the city streets.

Things only got worse for Corliss when he got canned by the Discovery Channel, on which he hosted "Stunt Junkies." The network said it had no clue about his plan, even though Corliss came equipped with a pricey camera to film his descent.

Prosecutors said that Corliss wore a phony mustache and a fat suit into the building before slipping into a rest room and donning his parachute.

"No one at the network had any knowledge of Jebb Corliss' activities at the Empire State Building," the Discovery Channel said in a statement. "We are beyond disappointed at his serious lack of judgment and his reckless behavior."

But defense attorney Mel Sachs said his client - a star of BASE jumping - had plotted his dive with safety in mind.

Corliss had studied wind speeds and knew how long it would take him to reach Fifth Ave., Sachs said. In addition, he had timed the traffic-light patterns so that a man in a parachute wouldn't distract motorists, Sachs said.

"It would still be red when he landed," Sachs said.

The 30-year-old daredevil from California apologized for creating a stir atop the city's most famous building, and said he received "wonderful" treatment from the NYPD. But he added that his future stunts would take place elsewhere.

"I am finished with New York as far as BASE jumping is concerned," Corliss said.

Instead, the jumping jerk - whose past conquests included the Petronas Towers in Malaysia - had to settle for a limp and another line on his rap sheet

Hi,

Jeb Corliss is a Great BASE Jumper !
Jeb Did'nt Burn this Site !

I really HATE Jealous Idiots !

Let's hope Jeb shead some light on How BASE Jumpers feel the need for there Addiction !

Someday , as "Carl Boenish", Said, BASE Building Jumps will be "Legal" in NYC.

Lets Lay Off Jeb,......ok ?


Thank You,
Gerald Harendza

Im not a base jumper. However am familiar with it. You guys have an issue with your image. What you stand for. This happens with most things that are in a state of transition / out of the box. Most people have no issue with base at all. If they see some guy jumping from an antennae; they are like damn pull the car over, check it out kids.
What they dont appreciate are dumb asses. I mean to do a stunt like that in NY, all over the press. I lost total respect for the guy, and I really liked his videos. The world is full of just shit that is over done / over exposed. This is the complete opposite of what base is about. But anyway, thats life. This will too fade away. The flash in the pans will come and go. You guys can go back to business as normal. Got to keep it on the "down low" otherwise it loses all validity.

Peace !!

>>>Got to keep it on the "down low" otherwise it loses all validity.
>>I'm not a base jumper.
~ anyone else see how there two statements correlate.
I imagine he's more dissapointed at not getting to make the jump than court, loseing his Discovery channel gig, and how anyone out here feels about any of it put together.
I would be.
~J

I'm not pissed for the fact that the ESB is burn, in fact what some people have express here is truth "It can not be consider burn because is not a typical jump able object"

My only point is the repercussions that this single action can cause for the rest of the BASE Community. The media magnification this story has had so far, is really working against us.
I can assure you that now there are more security officers aware of BASE Jumpers, they are getting a better understanding of our modus operandi.
It will suck if after this they implement harder punishments for people cut BASE Jumping. It will suck if they decide to close the few legal sites.
I invite every body to think of the repercussions of your actions if you get cut. Its not only about burning a site. Look at the big picture, how your actions can affect the rest of us and the sport in general!

I don’t have anything against Jeb. I just believe that things were not done right. Such a high profile jump should been done during night.

Here is a theory:
Suppose you are trying to get some footage for your Tv show, Movie, Personal Project or what ever. You are jumping the ESB the best time to do it is at night “Easy landing zone, Easy get away, few witnesses”
The building is so high profile that there is no way for a camarographer to be with you on exit point “you will need to get out of there right away”. Therefore, You have to place your cameras on the ground. But ground cameras shooting an object 1.000 Ft above during night, would required some skylight. But Whooo!!! skylight will give up your position.

So what is the only solution if you really want some footage:
Jump the object during the day with one POV of the jump and then place some camera people on the ground.

Make any sense

Medusa

So the Discovery Channel has disassociated themselves with Jeb.

What a laugh that is from a bunch of corporate goons who'll put anything on the air as long as it sells more Mountain Dew and pimple cream to children.

One day I was standing in Jeb's Malibu garage and he had a brand new Harley V-Rod sitting there. When I asked how he liked it, he said he didn't know. While he'd owned it for a few weeks, he'd never actually gotten around to riding it.

Jeb dosen't live in the same world most of us do . . .

Jeb didn't like the Discovery Channel gig. He certainly doesn't need the money, and the work involved kept him from traveling the world and BASE jumping, like we all wish we could.

In a time when most people will sell their souls, or make complete asses of themselves, to be on television - Jeb just shot them all the middle finger.

And I think that is very cool . . .

NickD
BASE 194

The concept of the "BASE Community" is actually a silly one. Each jumper is out for his own object(s). Objects a BASE jumper inherits through no effort of his own are subject to the rules (advice) of those who opened it. If you don't like them, get your own object. If you want to jump an object that was 'gifted' to the 'community' then jump it with the intentions of those who opened it. Otherwise f*&k off and get your own.

Jeb has paid his dues and respected the objects of those who opened them, he attempted a high profile jump and failed, although if he'd succeeded and suddendly had the beta to the ESB you'd all be panting at his feet for access (or pretend you were aloof and that you weren't interested in the object). BASE wasn't invented or defined for people who were cautious or careful or interested in regulations or licenses. It was a bunch of yahoos thinking that flicking fixed objects would be fun. The 'community' is those who jump objects opened by other people or those who open them and give the beta to the world. Then there are those who open objects and choose not to post them on dz.com or share them with the masses. Those with hundreds (or over a thousand) of jumps who don't post online and engage in the 'community'. The fact that those online have an opinion without knowing Jeb (or his objects of his jumps) and griping about the 'rights' of the 'community' need to contribute more than you consume. Get to a point where you've contributed more than you've consumed and then talk about 'the community' You might change your attitude.

With all due respect, Jeb has contributed a fair amount and the fact that he's made a mistake along the way is sad, although immaterial.

While those who have opinions about this event are interesting, I look forward to the point where your opinions are backed by goodwil of those in 'the community', based on the contirbutions, and your earned respect. I wonder how many of Jeb's strongest critics are familiar with his contributions. I'm certain he is of theirs.

-=Raistlin

 
>>That guy stole my idea!!!
}:<
At least the last time it got the jumper off! :-D
Malibu's Most Wanted Y'all!!!!

Dude...dude.

Living out your dream is sweet and all, but you need money to travel around the world, buy overpriced choppers, fly, etc. Now I'm not saying he didn't earn his money because frankly I don't know.

But if he didn't need the money and if he doesn't like being on the television ( hell no we won't go) WHY THEN does he make such programs? It's either for the attention or the moolah or both.

Edited to add. By the way I don't care if he should do it for the fortune and glory. But you shouldn't turn him into a modern Robin Hood/Batman either.

Nick,
Isn't pimple cream sold, specifically because Mountain Dew GIVES you pimples?

"It's Frank Sinatra's (J.C.'s) world, we're just lucky to live in it".


Later,
smd7

> But what Corliss attempted was stupid, plain and simple.
Sorry, I do not want to offend you, but please keep it for yourself.
If you wanna pull off a jump like that, you cannot do it (technically speaking) any differently that what Jeb was about to do.
Full stop.

> ...I don't think a base jumper has ever killed a bystander, but skydivers surely have.
Absolutely. I agree with you.
And as far as Jeb's action is concerned, I am absolutely with Jeb. I think he is a very serious bloke and a very serious BASE jumpers.
And as far as "object burning" is concerned, IMHO I think that there has been no object burning, jumped or not jumped, busted or not busted.
Dealing with such a high profile, there is NO WAY of carrying out the action other than the way Jeb was about to do (or very similarly).
Jeb is a great jumper and a great bloke.
My only comment as an active BASE jumper is the following.
Considering myself, on a "world basis", a moderately skilled BASE jumper, I think that if I found myself with rig perfectly donned and ready-to-jump and I have got my feet on the ledge, after half a second I am gone (giving for granted that I have already studied the exit point and the direction to jump off towards to and whatever else is needed to pull successfully the jump off).
So, my comment is: considering the pictures I saw, where Jeb is OUTSIDE fighting with security blokes, he must have been very, very UNLUCKY to have been caught, he has been caught only by a matter of few fractions of second/few seconds. Very unlucky.
I wish Jeb could have pulled it off brilliantly.

First of
Jeb its danm sad you got caught i buy the beers if you tell the storry.

A jump off such a high profile object will always leed to thourghts in case you will get caught.

No one should be blaming Jeb for not pushing off and do the jump,as he were grabbed he desided not to do the jump please respect him for that,as already said it posibly would have been fatal to do a tumble exit off there...

About the Discovery thing...
How do they dare to dump Jeb? they ashed for a "adrenalin junkie" to host their show.. did they expect that he only did so to entertain their show?

I will surgest any BASE jumper or Skydivers to stop working for Discovery untill they redraw their statement.. i dont care if Jeb want to work for them anymore or not,its the idea that they dump a carracter that they build their show up at but looks like they dont mean it,who´s next to be dumped from them?

Jeb good job sad it didnt go through,would have been kick ass..

And yes i would have thourgt the same if it were any red bull sponsored persons.. how ever i think red bull wouldnt have dumped them..

was this moved to Bonefire? it seems like many skydivers judge in this tread...

r.e. metal detectors -> it is not compulsory for a rig contain any metal components

For specialty jumps, you don't need rapide links, 3 rings, chest strap buckles, leg strap buckles, ringed p/c attachment points, keeper rings, etc.

But for general use (considering wear and tear, compatability & configuration, etc. Metal components are preferred.

Take a look at this picture.

Still wanna jump it?

Walt

 

This one is kinda tough for me, living most of my short life in NYC and having a brother who is a P.O. in the NYPD, so i'll try and give it a shot.

I don't fault Mr. Corliss personally for what he tried to do. All of us have our dreams, and if most of us, myself included had our way they would all be fulfilled. Making this jump obviously meant a great deal to Jeb, otherwise he wouldn't have spent the amount of money and time that he did on making the disguise and planning the attempt. I admire his courage and desire to as he put it, "push the human race foward" through his sport. Whether jumping from the ESB helps to accomplish that goal, I don't know, but it meant a great deal to him and he almost pulled it off. The same could be said about Frank Morris and the Anglin brothers in reference to their great escape from Alcatraz. It was an incredible feat of human wit and desire, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was the right thing to do.

Whether we like it or not, more often than not laws get in the way of us accomplishing our personal goals. NYC has been through a great deal in recent years, and tolerance for anything that could potentially harm anyone else, particularly large crowds of people is extremely low. I don't care how skilled and experienced you are, anytime a 150+ pound projectile is thrown from that altitude onto a crowd of people on a busy NYC street at rush hour, things can go wrong, and innocent people could have gotten hurt. Innocent people who for the most part just want to get home safely after leaving work every day, and not have to deal with stuff like this. Whether Jeb planned to time his jump in synch with a red traffic light or whatever is gonna be irrelavent to the jury, the police department, and mostly everyone else in New York who see this as another selfish act by an individual obsessed with shameless self-promotion at the expense of the safety of others. Did it really have to be at 4:30 in the afternoon at rush hour? Sure, most of us, myself included don't see it that way and know that Jeb had no ill intentions and was one of the most qualified people in the world to pull this off, but non-BASE jumpers and skydivers are not gonna see it that way, regardless of how it is spun.

You can't fault the security guards and police for doing their job. They are there to prevent threats to public safety, and that includes preventing the discharge of heavy objects, humans included from leaving the observation deck by way of the railing. In their eyes, handcuffing Jeb to the railing was the best way of preventing that in the heat of the moment. Could it have potentially jeopardized Jeb's life in the process, sure. The only alternative however would have been to just "let him jump", and at the time it didnt seem to the police that that was the best alternative.

Where this really turned ugly for Jeb, both in terms of publicity and legal standpoints, was when he decided to resist being taken into custody. The police had a job to do, and rather than just go quietly with a smile on his face and get at the most a minor trespassing charge, he ended up assaulting a security guard in the process of struggling, as well as resisting the NYPD, who are probably the furthest thing from "$10/hour rent-a-cops" in the world, and eliminated any public sympathy for this outside of the comparably small skydiving/BASE community he might have gotten. To add insult to injury, the New York media (grossly unfairly) reduced an admirable person with a passionate dream into a pathetic crybaby who yelled and screamed when he couldn't get his way in the eyes of the public.

Did any real good come from this? Jeb lost a measure of his freedom, dignity, and not to mention a job that most people in the sport/industry would have been eternally grateful for. He also gave an innocent security guard who was doing his job a concussion and trip to the hospital.

I'm not asking anyone to condemn or praise Mr. Corliss for what he did, but everyone needs to realize that real life isn't always as romantic as it may seem in the movies or on paper. Yeah, it would have been cool to a lot of us if something out of Point Break took place, with the police officer being a skydiver too, and unlocking the handcuffs after Jeb said that he just wanted to make the jump, and everyone going home happy with one of another individual's many aspirations in life fulfilled.

It doesn't always work that way, and sometimes reality needs to set in. Sometimes you can't always think about yourself above everything else.

God knows I've been guilty of it many times.

I'm wondering if Jeb's cam was recording. If I had to venture a guess I'd say 98% likely. I've only read of the resisting and assault charges in the newspapers. Since it was a helmet-cam I'll await judgement until I see it or it's released.

I would also guess it is similar to the footage of the NYC Palace jump where he can be heard quite cleary talking and with the ESB attempt the helmet-cam footage if there is any will more than likely clear the matter up in a court of law.

The ledge of the ESB eightysix stories above the street does put a person at an extreme disadvantage of assaulting anyone.

>>WHY THEN does he make such programs? It's either for the attention or the moolah or both.<<

This Discovery Channel came to him, and Jeb has the ability to just try things without worrying about any of the rest of it. BTW, I'm not sure what you you mean with the Robin Hood/Batman reference, but I've known most of the good and not so good people in this sport since almost the beginning, and believe me, Jeb is the least of our worries.

Besides, I know many of the real “Batmen” in BASE and Jeb’s not one of them and doesn’t want to be one of them. And to those here that see BASE through skydiving eyes there’s another dynamic at work.

Back in the early days, when it was us against everyone else, we weren’t really sure how to play it. However, because we were pretty much all very experienced skydivers we naturally gravitated to thinking, like skydivers do, that we had to protect and promote our image.

In the mid-80s I, and others, realized that wasn’t true.

BASE at that time was unscrewable and I began to publish those ideas not so much as my own, but from seeing how jumpers were going about things. The slight barbs we suffer today from skydivers, who rather than understand us, challenge us, is nothing new and nothing like it was twenty years ago. The hatred and venom spewed in our direction was palpable back then. Some lost skydiving jobs, some lived with, “Oh, there’s Bob, the asshole BASE jumper.”

So we did what any minority does when attacked, we closed ranks, kept our mouths shut, and ran the Jolly Roger up the flagpole. BTW, it wasn’t that we had a fascination with skulls and bones and a death wish, we put forward that image for the same reason bikers of old wore Nazi symbols. They didn’t believe in that, they just knew those symbols shocked the straights and the squares. In this case the straights and the squares were closed minded skydivers and Black Death was our little jab back.

It was then we realized the advantage we had. With no rules, except for the natural ones that would keep us alive, we were free to do as we pleased. At that time no one could hurt the sport of BASE to the point I couldn’t go downtown and jump anymore. And it’s still that way. They can shut down the cliffs in Europe, they can shut down the potato, they could ban BASE at Bridge Day, and you know what? I’ll still be able to go downtown and jump. This has always been our strength and god help us if we ever forget it.

Skydivers of today don’t generally have the same animosity towards BASE because the entire controversy pre-dates them. But now, they expect us to defend BASE like they defend skydiving. But we don’t have to. We aren’t the over-regulated, bloated with bureaucracy, big game of, “May I” that skydiving has become.

Most of us don’t mind skydivers here as that’s this forums original intent. I do wish they would think a little bit more. When one says, “Why don’t you guys do this or that,” please consider what’s new to you is old to us and we didn’t just fall off the turnip truck. We have considered pretty much all those things in the past. And to those who see the bickering here as a reflection on the real BASE community, well, you should know the difference, because you grew up in a virtual world, and the reality of that is false.

BASE is changing, of course, like everything does. In a way we all sold out a little bit. Our Euro-brothers did it when they agreed to have rules and to follow them. I know there are some of them now that wish they could turn the clock back on that. If they would have known, if they truly had understood BASE, I think they would have told the authorities to get stuffed. “We are going to jump. It’s our right and our duty to further human flight, and no matter what you do you’ll never stop us. So instead of us dealing with your artificial man-made rules you are going to have to adjust to us.” And what could they do to stop us? Right, there’s nothing they can do to stop us. In the end we would have overwhelmed them. Only us can stop us.

To those who enjoy taking shots at my brother Tom A. I hate seeing that, but in another way it begins to prove all the above. Tom did what he thought was right to help maintain a legal place to jump. Tom also made rules to keep this board a good place for skydivers to come get information. So what did it net him – jabs and barbs from both camps? I wonder, no I’m sure; Tom goes to sleep sometimes thinking, gee, is this really worth it?

Rules are stifling and the only reason BASE progressed ten times faster than skydiving, both in gear and technique, is because there were no rules. Our strengths lay in the fact we are truly free, the question is - are we mature enough to handle that freedom?

I see another trend that is disturbing. Many of us are throwing in the towel. A common refrain from some BASE jumpers here is, “I don’t care anymore, or F all these silly skydivers” And that’s sad . . . If our newest generation doesn’t care, if they don’t build on but rather abandon what came before, we are in a lot of trouble.

Instead of worrying what Jeb is doing let’s look inward. Some of the posts here are more injurious to BASE than anything Jeb, Miles, or John can ever do. Not because it will hinder BASE, but because it points to a rotting soul, and once that soul is gone, it’s going to be awfully hard to get it back . . .

NickD
BASE 194

your right and the time off this were it were most likely were the point were people were struggling at the edge either to stay alive(that would be Jeb) or thouse who didnt really did and probaly will understand how dangerus it were to do what they did.

The safest option probaly would have been to let him make the jump and take him on the road as he landed below a canopy..

IF the struggle had turned out that Jeb had slipped,he probaly would have died even wearing a canopy.

ehm what do you speak off? is this inside or out side the fence?
outside Jeb were fighting for his life.

inside,why would he struggle? were would he run away to? at that point he already had won his life but lost to the cops..

Perhaps we should get info from all eyes and ears before estimating somthing..

your absolutely right..
as far as i know Jeb hasnt told his storry yet..

Nick a lot of us here who have never jumped are utterly fascinated by BASE and try to learn and understand as much as we can through the resources we have - and the forum is a huge one. Often when we ask questions like "why don't you guys do this or that" it isn't because we think we are smarter than you, it's because we don't have the experience to draw upon and genuinely don't know the answer. To us it seems like a valid question and we are simply seekly to become more informed.

That said, I do understand that this is not always the case.

Jeb doesn't go around taunting other BASE jumpers and trying to piss them off.

That's the functional difference.

Since the last person to jump this site has made around 600 posts on this forum, I'm going to have to say that you're wrong about that.

As of this Sunday night @ 11:00 pm, MSN most popular People Search

! - George Clooney
2 - Chung Mong-koo
3 - Rosie O'Donnell
4 - Jamie LaMunyon
# 5 - Jeb Corliss
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edit to add:
no really no joke, just look
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edit to add:
BEAT by Rosie O'Donnell . man that's gotta hurt. ...
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That person is my hero (and that cracy paraplegic who just got his E!!!). I don't know who he is or when he has jumped the ESB but I'm sure he gets a smile on his face until the day he dies when he thinks of this jump. It was probably more easy for him because he did not have to jump in bright daylight for the cameras, he probably just jumped for himself and not for the cameras. But at least he got to jump it.
I respect Jeb for having the balls to try it. I respect Jeb for getting to the exit point, it's sure not a peace of cake to get there but I think almost everything else is just stupidity. To try to jump it during rush hour when the visitors deck is full of people. In my humble opinion it represents 1000 times more BASE jumping to jump such a building in night, only your friends now of it, getting away with it (or at least getting to jump it) then buying a fat man costume, getting a profesional face mask done, hiding cameras all over to document this great stunt and not getting to jump. But that's just me and what do I know...

So for as long as you don't death camp people, you are allowed to break any codes of our own "ethics"

By the way Tom, let's go down the BASE ethics "etiquette" you wrote and figure out how many your buddy Jeb broke:

Respect: the sport, the sites, and other jumpers.

Leave no trace.

Contact the locals.

Again I could not give a rat's ass about Jeb's attempt and I am very sorry he pussyed out and did not jump. What gets under my skin is that certain individuals are free to do whatever they fuck they want with the BASE community supporting them while other ones are constantly under fire (Felix, Shane, Miles, Jimmy H to name a few).

Correct me if I am wrong but it's my understanding that you are one of those advocating for proper and responsible BASE jumping and the legalization of BASE in National Parks.

If you think Jeb's "stunt" did any good for the BASE community and the future of the sport in general, then my hat's off for your blindness.

Tom, make no mistake, Jeb does not care about the sport, all he cares is publicity (his own one), he just happened to be a very likable non-cocky guy but his agenda is very, very clear.

Okay so I retract my first post and would ask other non BASE guys to think about the same. didn't realize how deep the comunity went ,Just listened to skydive radio Show 15 (I think), they had a man name Nick Geavani (sorry for the spelling) Lots of rules , structure , ethics, that I diddn't know about, RESPECT being a main one. Still love Jeb but I'll keep my opinions on this to my self. Sorry for the intrusion .

>>Nick Geavani (sorry for the spelling)<<

No apology necessary Martin – you hit the phonetic spelling of my last name right on the money.

And I’m happy you got something from the show . . .

BTW, When I listened to the program now I realize how tired I sounded as I was out the whole previous night helping some visiting Euro-jumpers get their “B.”

NickD (Nick Di Giovanni)
BASE 194

Nick,

You seem to be under the impression that I'm trying to (a) defend Jeb, or (b) argue that his actions were the most ethical and created good publicity for BASE.

In fact, I'm doing neither of those things.

I was simply observing that the reason that different people get different reactions may have to do with their personal presentation, and their personal (and stated) intentions.

I'm not making any kind of statement, pro or con, about Jeb, this incident, or how either of the above interact with BASE ethics.

Just to avoid confusion Tom means the other Nick.

I was in the "I love Tom Aiello Camp" before there was one . . .

NickD
BASE 194

That's Brotherly love...right??

Where the hell do you land in downtown NYC during rush hour without the chance of hurting a bystander?

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Was this meant to be a rhetorical question?

. . . .There isn't a guarantee you're not going to hit a bystander. It's an added risk of Building BASE, and is one of the reasons why it's best to do B jumps at night correct? Obviously not option on ESB. I've never stood below this object and don't know what the landing aread looks like. I do believe Jeb would stand a far greater chance of not hurting a bystander than. . . .I would.

J.P.

>>Where the hell do you land in downtown NYC during rush hour without the chance of hurting a bystander?<<

Just like Dustin Hoffman had the word whispered into his ear at his graduation party - but in this case that word is not "plastics" . . . it's "rooftop."

Look at the topdown photos again.

NickD
BASE 194

who cares about by standers have u ever met a New yorker that u liked? and remeber I'm a New Yorker

Tom wrote:


And


Then you wrote:


I agree with your last post and I do see your point more clearly.

> By the way Tom, let's go down the BASE ethics "etiquette" you wrote and figure out how many your buddy Jeb broke:
> Respect: the sport, the sites, and other jumpers.
> Leave no trace.
> Contact the locals.
Nick, let me say the following.
It does exist a BASE ethics which is valid and in force for "normal" objects.
When we are dealing, though, with very high profile objects, the above BASE ethics is not any more valid, is not any more applicable.
So I am completely with Jeb, and I am really sorry that Jeb didn't succeed in pulling it off smartly (and completely).
My other few thoughts:
Was there another way to attempt it (call the locals, whatever)? No.
Did Jeb cause harm to BASE community? Yes, indeed, local police/local authorities, both in NYC and "all over the world", will stay more careful and suspicious and tight about future possibile urban BASE jumps.
But, again, if you wanna jump ESB, there is NO OTHER FUCKING WAY to do it. Full stop.
When in 2004 D.T. (RIP) did a very high profile object here in my country (that is in the region where your parents are from), at first I was angry because I thought the action had been pulled off by a countryfellow of mine (who did not talk to any of us, but honestly same action seemed to me WAY BEYOND the capabilities of same jumper I was thinkin of).
For the chronicle: that action caused a LOT of noise, news on local newspapers, news on TV, anything, it happened in summer time with millions of tourists in those days visiting that object and surrounding B's/monuments, locally they talked about it for weeks.
Then after having exchanged few e-mail's with #813, after a couple of days I got directly in touch the author, D.T., and I told him: My friend, I think you did an outstanding job, you went so smartly around security and cameras and whatever else and the way you jumped it was the ONLY ONE possible, the following noise and mess was UNAVOIDABLE, compliments indeed to you and to the way you studied it.
Yes, actions like the one performed by Jeb take indeed "heat" on BASE urban activity and rise security enforcement in B's in the same city and "generically" all over the world, they bring to "knowledge" what we do in our cities and so local authorities become "more aware" about our urban jumps, but...
Certain very high profile objects simply CANNOT carried out without causing mess and noise and heat: notwithstanding how carefully you prepare and organize the approach, notwithstanding how carefully you get to the exit point, once you have jumped and opened the parachute and land among thousands of people, there is NO WAY to avoid heat and mess and news on local newspapers.
Yes, local BASE jumpers can be affected for some time by the subsequent heat cuased by the high profile action (and someway somehow other BASE jumpers all over the world as well), but, let's put it simply: either you jump it that way or you never jump that object. Full stop.
And even if Jeb had exited off the ledge successfully and without anyone noticing it, the flight and the landing would have caused the SAME heat and the SAME noise and SAME news on newspaper/Internet/whatever.
What I really I appreciate about Jeb is that he (possibly) burnt an object of so high profile that 99.99% of other world BASE jumpers (myself included) will NEVER be "close" to jump and at the same time he DOES not go with TV crew and other staff to burn sensitive objects all over the world (as the clown face of #502 is used to do, been there, seen that).
Just my 0.02€.

I was ropable in the early days of my B.A.S.E. career when a particular (surrender monkey) French wanker, Francois Liot, ripped myself and a few others off for a trip to the big w/f in a place that starts ith 'VENA. and ends in ZWELA'

Slim was also sucked in as well as Jeb. To cut a long story short the deal was this: Jeb went to this famous site ended up with all the footage taken and couldn't / wouldn't contact Francois Liot re his share of the money made from it so Jeb graciously paid out those of us that had been ripped off.

Jeb took a morale stand that I believe your average American Joe, or Australian considering we are being overun by a wave of musos at the moment, would not have taken.

I first met Jeb at a Petronas meet long after the South American affair, however, I came home a better person knowing not all Americans are as they are portrayed over here in the media.

My point being that if a fraction of Westerners had at least a tenth of the the moral fortitude, courage and ability of people like Jeb, Ray Losli, Nick DG etc the world would be a better place by far. Jeb didn't burn anyones site in NYC anymore than Thor Alex did.

Remember 'the hollow vessel makes the loudest noise.'

Ken Miller

Ken mate, love ya work

...moral fortitude, courage and ability of people like Jeb, Ray Losli, Nick DG etc .

I think you accidently put Ray in the wrong group.
Still bummed i didn't get to jump in the B Mtns with you fellas. Hope to see you guys in the US or Europe some time.
Matt

Riker's Island? What are you fucking kidding me? He was in in the city jail for just a few hours. Man, I'm tired of this fucking New York crew who post here all the time.

Andrea,

You have misunderstood my point altogether.

Change the title of the thread from Corliss gets busted in NYC to Felix gets busted in NYC and I guarantee you the responses on the thread would have been much, much different.

That's my point, as simple as that!

Oh my, I just saw your new avatar, I could not stop laughing and I'm at work!

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I also got to agree with Ken on Jeb. If you hang around Jeb at all. The one thing you will notice and like about him. The man is doing the most important thing. He is living life True to Himself.
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(Now, back to Matt:)
Ahhhhh Matt. . little do you know. Ken MUST complement me. He has no choice in the matter.
You see it in the Rules of the Secret Pact made between the Honest, Hard Working & Simple Minded. ...
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> Change the title of the thread from Corliss gets busted in NYC to Felix gets busted in NYC and I guarantee you the responses on the thread would have been much, much different.
Absolutely yes indeed!!!!!
Witha title as "Felix gets busted in NYC" I would have helped in spreading tons of shit all over the place (=face of #502)

O.K. guys. It's time to fucking drop it. It's a beautiful day out side go see for your self

I've been beat by Rosie O'Donnell, Ray and you're right...it's no joke.

Good on ya, Jeb. If you had brains, looks and hair you'd be perfect.

Conviction came down yesterday.

Hmm...what about Jeb is "likeable and non-cocky"?

I am still curious about who tipped off the authorities... Maybe not a base jumper....

Thats the problem with having to many people know about your plan...

His off-air persona, actually.

Ahhh...well that makes more sense. I've only heard him on his dvd.

should'nt there be some kind of a bounty paid for a jump off the ESB....with no by-standers hurt O' and a manitory stand up landing

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

he got away with it