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Just wondering what the actual problem with naming sites on here is.

There are some objects/locations that seem so obvious that it would be irrelevant if somone named them. However, there was a post a while back where someone got flamed for posting a picture of a new structure in france as if no one had thought of it as a base site before.

What about skydivingmovies? anyone local to the city/area where the jump is taking place could probably identify the site.

I used to live in a suburb of Bristol called Clifton. Whilst there I noticed an object that may have been attractive to base jumpers. I think the authorities in the area are perfectly aware of its potential without having to read about it here.

Im assuming that the concern is that authorities may increase security or that some idiot may die jumping from named objects/locations.
At the same time though, im sure there must be another reason for the rule.

Does the rule only apply to sites that are not well known? Im sure that I could mention A***l f***s right?

Anyway, im not trying to piss anyone off, just curious.

http://dropzone.com/...orum.cgi?post=366457

thats why.

 

Search for Moab give 795 results in this forum. I don't think you could call it "consistent no-naming".

The short answer:

People read these (or similar) boards. People find out where a site is on these boards. People go there without any training, and possibly with totally inappropriate gear. People are seriously injured or killed.

This has already happened several times. I'd prefer to avoid having it happen again.

"Moab" is not a site. It's a geographic area. That's like saying "Seach for South of France gives XXX results in this forum."


As far as consistency:

The simple fact of the matter is that I have only so much time and energy to police this forum. That means that I often let things slip through, because I occasionally have other things to do, or want to run out and do something other than sit here and watch y'all with all my time.

I notice that your home DZ is a Bridge.

Is it ok to name that because (presumably) its legal to jump from it?

V....n is geographic area, but you removed its name.

He lives under it, so thats ok.

Please do me a favor. Seriously.

Read the link Sean posted, which is also linked at the top of this forum. It specifically addresses both (a) your original question, and (b) that particular site.

After you've finished reading that thread, I'll be happy to address any additional questions that come up.

That's at least partly because it's less local to me, and I am less familiar with it.

I am more comfortable making closer judgments on sites that are closer to me, or that I am more familiar with.

When they are "some one elses" sites, I tend to be much more conservative in what I allow, largely out of respect for the locals there. In some cases where sites have been discussed that I was totally unaware of, I've gone so far as to remove the names of entire geographic regions, simply because I was not familiar with how closely the place name narrowed down the area until after I had removed it.

That makes sense.

I have read the thread and it is very informative.

Im unfamiliar with the bridge but is there some reason why talking about it is less of a problem than say the landmark I lived next to a few years ago?
People can still just turn up and jump off it without training.

Why do you refer to it as "the Bridge Day site" in your post but by name on your profile?

I dont mean to sound antagonistic. Just trying to get my head around it.

"the bridge day site" and the bridge in toms area, are two totally different bridges.... this explains your inability to understand why "we" wouldnt want people like "you" to be spoonfed locations....

because "you" could die,very eaisly and "we" would lose access because of "you"

keep your head in your helmet, one day youll figure it out...

Thats has to be quote of the week.....LOL....

Your too funny.....

Ok, so you think the purpose of this post is for "me" to discover "your" favourite site so "I" can jump from it and spoil it for "everyone". Dont worry thats not my intention.
Before you get all wound up, take a deep breath and re-read. Im not asking anyone to name anything. Just asking asimple question.

Are you also saying that the reason Im asking the questions I am, is because I dont know the difference between 2 US bridges? I dont see what your point is.

Out of interest, what makes you assume im the type to fish for names here so I can go out and jump from them?

Where did that come from?

I think the point is 3 or 4 people on this board with alot of experience have told you where to look for your answers and you still continue to ask the same questions... That will get you know where with this bunch.... If you cant take good information to help answer your questions then your not off to a good start....

no offence intended...just 2 cents....

Mate, im taking in the info, I respect the opinions of those with more experience than me....which is everyone, and im just trying to learn something ok?

I guess when the time comes I'll know where to seek advice.

come on now mate...i spent 6 months living in england....you guys and the pints, pubs, and that stupid snooker...... you guys are hard headed....Its the beer...Wish i was hanging out in a pub right now.....

Well if you'd just said that in the first place, we could've left it at that and avoided all of the "unpleasantness"

Im going to assume that its better to piss you guys off by asking questions than to assume that the S in my back yard is something I can talk about because its in my back yard.

ug...my fingers are hurting...It's not unpleasantness...It's doing things by the numbers. There are over 5000 or so base jumpers in the world give or take a few.... There are only less than a hundred who post on these forums here.... Just consider this a pub in a world of pubs.... That leaves 4900 or so other base jumpers at different pubs around the world.... Some people like this ...well in the states we call them "bars"... bar .. and some people dont. You stay , drink, chat or fight if you wish or just drink and soak up whats happing with this crowd. It's all different... No matter where you go...there you are....


Well if you want to assume that ..the take a stab at Skin, he will tell you like is....

im parched.......

It was a joke.

mine too...but not about skin.....


Hey what the best beer now over there....?

Yes. If you read the post that Sean linked, you can see that I explain it this way:



The reason, in short, is because there is easily available instruction and supervision at the site, which is pretty much continuously available. It's very difficult to show up at the span here without encountering one or more locals who can help you with equipment, exits, landing area and trails. The availablilty of experienced locals means that the chance for a mishap due to a total lack of knowledge or guidance is much lower than it would be in most other places.

As I said , I had read the post, including the passage you have quoted.

I was under the impression that jumping was only legal for a week or weekend each year or something like that.
If there's regular jumping taking place on a daily basis throuought the year, then obviously thats a different matter.
Thanks for explaining.

LOL! welcome to the BASE forum...i swear it's scarier than "incidents"...

My turn...my turn...

You're still talking about two different bridges. The jist of the feedback you are receiving is "Do some research on your own" Don't come here asking questions that have been answered many times before and can easily be found with a little work.

Something I learned during my FJC is BASE jumping is not just dangerous, it's hard work. You don't just go to an exit point, throw on a rig, and make a jump. Most objects require a pretty good climb/hike not to mention the amount of work done by others to gain access in the first place. And then there is the personal preperation like packing and such. A one hour pack job for a 2 second freefall...

If you're not willing to put in the effort to do a little research you probably aren't going to like BASE very much or be given much info on your posts here...

You can say that again.

More prickly than porcupines.

i swear it's scarier than "incidents"...


Or prickly pears....

And AS IF you are one to shy away from stepping up to the plate in this forum little Miss Asbestos Trousers.

Not so much anymore. I had a bad experience here awhile back, and now I spend most of my time in the Bonfire and SC.

I'll argue the issue until the horse is nothing but bones, but I won't argue me. Personality isn't the issue, but in this forum, it sometimes seems it's the only issue.

I can't be bothered with those who aren't smart enough to argue what's on the table and thus feel compelled to go straight for the ad hominem.

MooChooser is a good guy as far as I'm concerned, and the beating he has taken here for asking a friggin' question is idiotic given that this is a goddam message board.

rl

One thing I've found in my short time [I'm new to skydiving but I've been loosely involved in the BASE community for about 4 years] is that the source of the difficulty for newcomers to accept the "no naming" rule [not just on these forums but in general] comes from a fairly understandable place.

BASE is young, no matter how you look at it. Many folks out there are first or second generation jumpers... "pioneers"... or those mentored by "pioneers". When they started, there wasn't nearly as much heat. Sites were named for many reasons. The community was small! Almost everybody knew everybody. People were still figuring stuff out. Nobody was afraid that somebody with the wrong equipment and no experience would flick it off of their local A... because that's exactly what they were doing.

So the sport grows and there is an undeniable need to move on from these roots. Everything is different from those days... the people, the equipment, the mindset, the heat and the publicity.

So what are newcomers to do? They look back on the sport's history and see something entirely different than what they're being told. The direction that things are heading is undeniably better than where they were, but it's effectively a transition period. Even those who are [heavy quotes] "making the rules" aren't fully certain of what to recommend. And, of course, it's best to err on the side of safety. When people run a public forum, well, more so.

It's like a teenager asking his parents why he isn't allowed to go out at night. They were allowed to go out when they were his age, why can't he??? Well, things are different.

So there's another angle. Obviously consider the source, but that's a little sliver of what I've noticed in my minute experience.

Hi Moochooser.

There are lots of reasons for not naming sites. Some are selfish, some are showing concern for the safety of others, some are to protect fragile environments, some are due to established relationships with local authorities, some are due to the expectations of local authorities and the desire of people to maintain status quo, etc, etc, etc.

Some reasons in particular why your local site should remain nameless:

- check the signs on the west side. "Good Samaritans . . . . . ." (you're homework is to go find this sign and work out why it is good to minimise the number and risk level of people who jump there - c.f. community relationships).
- if you miss the landing area, there are many hazards that may kill/injure. PM me if you want to know why.
- The type of object that it is may attract lessor experienced jumpers. My memory of the site is that it is not favourable for beginners (esp if deficient in canopy skills).
- there are people watching. Jumpers who research sites on the net (etc) and choose to do the site, may not be ethically aware and attract unwanted attention from authorities. This may lead to tightening up access to the site.

Bottom line - if you attract just one idiot to a site and they die. You are doing a disservice to the sport, to the site, to the locals that jump it, to the family of the deceased, and to the local community.

If you mention a location as a BASE jumping site, some people may see that as license to jump it. i.e. if a BASE jumper calls a site a site, then you must be able to jump it. If not, then maybe it is not jumpable. You may have some kid on your local area that does not have the capital to travel and jump, but if they hear that there is a local object, they go ahead and jump it. This HAS happened.

Regarding the argument that other sites are mentioned or there are other ways of finding sites (topo maps, search engines, etc). this is a moot point. Your job as an individual interested in this sport is to minimise negative events or interactions with the outside world. It does not matter what other people do and say. You, as an indivudal, shoud do the right thing. If one person does not read one comment that you decided not to print, that literally may mean the difference between life and death. It may also mean that people can continue to regularly jump and object, and that loved ones will not have lost something dear to them.

This is why site naming etiquette is important.

ps. You cannot compare full time legal jumping sites to sites that do not have open permission for jumping activities. They are twp differnt things.

Regarding video's. IMHO, you are correct with the statement that they may attract the wrong person to the wrong site. Actually naming them using words is worse and makes it VERY EASY to determine their location. Unless they are a popular/known location of course.