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I know the only true way of knowing is trying it out, but I am hoping someone can help me out from experience.

My understanding of a Tard; the lines S folded in one hand, canopy in another, jump and throw the canopy above you and let the lines leave your other hand.

What if someone roughly the length of your lines above you held a pack preped canopy by the packing tabs and pilot chute attachment point(Or dead center of the center cell), then the jumper jumps, and the prepped canopy is released from assistance hands upon line stretch. The canopy would be grasped with two hands, one from each side to help prevent a 180. How soon do you think the canopy will be flying? Sorry if it seems I am rambling on, just typing it as I think of it. Thanks.

Dale

Why not just build a giant 'T' shaped bar, and use close pins to clip the canopy to it in a pre-spread position? Don't laugh--I did that once, a long time ago.

Oh, wait, I have another idea...Why not just find a good headwind, and use it to blow the canopy up over your head. Then I bet you could use the risers to control it, and just step off the object. In fact, if you were really good at it, you wouldn't even need an object. You could just launch straight off the ground.

Anytime someone else holds your unpacked canopy while you jump it is called a CWAD not a tard. Get it straight.
Sounds like it would work. Just don't fuck it up.

Heh, nice, were you flying fairly quickly from you T shap clothes pin contraption?

Kiting and stepping off had popped into my mind too, and the part of Texas I'm in is too flat for launching off the ground .

Clif, heh alright a CWAD got it. If I planned on doing it anytime soon it would be off a bridge(That I jump from during summer.) 60 feet above water, so not much of ride, rather pointless too, just wondering.

Dale

Please don't.

Why not? We need more scientists in this sport!

Yeah, but we don't need any more dead people.

87SupraT, do you have a BASE rig to do this with?

It's called ground launching. I guess that's what the is for. I've done exactly this from two, um... objects (building (my balcony) and bridge) that were under 25', on a 107 sq ft elliptical canopy. then again, i've also done this from zero feet under the same canopy. launched from the flat ground, hovered and was pushed back a bit, landing about twenty feet behind the "launch point" (a parking spot) after 5 - 6 seconds of flight.

Go ahead and have at it. We have done 70 foot tards and cwads into lake water before. Yea, totally pointless but did it just to see how long the canopy ride would be. 1 was 1 second the other was 1.5.

Dexter,

I have a Reactor 1 Container and a Cruiselight 220 fitted with a tailgate and tail pocket. I know the Cruiselight isn't B.A.S.E. specific but I don't ever plan on doing a "real" B.A.S.E. jump with it. I jump from this bridge during the summer all the time with a couple not so feet first plunges , so "IF" I try it I should be fine, but there is definitely still a possibility of getting hurt. There is also going to be someone below me in the water with a raft, as soon as I land I would cut the canopy away and gather it and put it in the raft.

Dploi,

Under 25'?! Did it have time to inflate or were you kiting it and stepping off?

Clif,

Thanks for info, 1.5, that makes it worth while .

Ah come on, where's your sense of adventure?

He specifically said...


60 feet won't kill you even if you tried, unless you're really skilled. I've jumped as high as 84 feet without canopy and while I don't recommend it per se, it's doable.

I'm not so much worried that it won't work on this bridge. I'm worried about what will happen if it does work. Will it plant the seed that leads to trying it from progressively taller objects. Before you know it, he's doing handheld freefalls.

Why, if he's not ready to be BASE jumping, has he obtained BASE gear? He has 2 skydives.

87SupraT, do you own skydiving gear?

I'm just concerned with the types of questions that are being asked by this particular poster (look at his post history), that he's about to start BASE jumping on his own, or at least simulate BASE type activities.

So, that is my concern. Has nothing to do with my sense of adventure.

Canopy was already flying before launch.

Ahh k I understand where you are coming from now. As it is hard to show honesty through text on a monitor I will try my best. I am pretty scared right now to do my 3rd jump(Eventfull Landing on my 1st), I have finally acquired enough money to purchase my AFF package. I can assure you I won't be jumping from anything taller or doing handhelds. Only reason I think of this is because the danger is very low and it would fun since I am bored as hell waiting for the semester to start.

The B.A.S.E. Gear, I purchased it because it was very cheap, I have been studying about B.A.S.E. for almost 2 years now and hoping to get my Rigging License this Spring. I learned how to pack reserves from online manuals and got this setup so I can learn to pack B.A.S.E. rigs with a tailgate and tail pocket, it is all for exposure. I am trying to be as knowledgable as I can before getting into it. After I get my A I will be jumping a big 7 cell from then on out until I have met the required jump number and mental mindset, then pursue a FJC. This is my plan, and I plan on working it.

I don't own skydiving gear, but I pack parachutes at my local DZ so I am fairly familiar with it.

My posting history, I am a very technical person, I like to know how and why something works, and the unexplainable. Sorry if my past posting has scared you, just trying to learn as much as I can.

Sincerely,
Dale

No need to apologize. I'm just concerned.

Getting into BASE without enough skydiving experience can be a dark and scary road. You really don't want to walk it.

Alrighty, I appreciate it. I don't plan on walking it.....

I can think of a place to ground launch for short flights that is in your town.

Have you tried contacting local jumpers for guidance?

Oh, yer not a base jumper.....
I take back my "'Go ahead and have at it" comment. Cwads and tards can be thrown very wrong even by people who think they are really good at it. Trust me I know. Don't do it. A back splat from 60 feet could cause some serious internal damage.

Dude, are you feeling ok? My whole world view is being shaken here...

Um... yeah

Aw, c'mon cliff.Don't tell me you are thinking about what could go wrong!!!!Also, my bet for miles is 425. Pete

I just don't want anyone to have fun death camping without me. That's all.
Death camping my friends is really funny. When it works that is. And then pretending that we are just totally reckless and disrespectful is even more fun. Especially when people on this forum get thier panties all in a bunch.
"Base Ethics" What a crock a shit.

Cliff, you gave good honest advice earlier and I appreciate it. I was just tickling your ribs, sorry if I chapped your ass!

Shut up Rigger Pete! I'll kill you!

you just made one more star in my book.

It won't kill you, but if you go flat on your back you will probably break a couple of vertebrae. If you fall on your chest, well, I think you might get a change at killing yourself...
Jumping from 25m flat on water is kinda the same a jumping from 10m on concrete...

Shane,



I've started a new thread to discuss this view of yours. I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts in that thread.

Thanks!

That's what's great about this country. People who don't give a shit about others, like yourself, are free to do what they like.

BSBD, happy jumps.

ypu know whats even better? judgemental people, who make assumptions about others, thier intent, or thier actions based entierly upon keystrokes on internet forums, are free to add useless commentary of thier own...

bdbs, shitty jumps and carnage....

Speaking of assumptions.....

I'm assuming then, that you've met both JP and Shane? Or are you basing your judgment on their posts here?

I'm pretty sure that they are both originally Northern California jumpers. This leads me to conclude that their knowledge of each other is probably based on a little more than posts on this or other internet forums.

and the irony reveals itself....

no.. i was more making a point about the general state of affairs here on the cyberbasezone....

You mean how 95% of it is just all of us having "virtual verbal diarrhea" and blowing our collective ego loads diarrhea cyber-wherever on the interwebthingy?


Yeah, I'll buy that.




Edit: 'cause da stoopid interwebthingy don't spell good fer me.

At the end of the day the question wasn't answered. Let's say you have an object just over 100 ft and the landing zone is made out of diamond (the hardest I could think of). Would a Tard see you down safely?

No, not safely.

How about alive and able to limp away?

If you do it right. If not, you're dead.

I think that when you are playing at altitudes that low (100') you're going to see some pretty big variance depending on jumper and gear size, too.

Take a big ole fat guy like me, and put him under an unvented 310, and he's likely to femur or worse. Take a skinny little guy like Chad, put him under a well vented 200 with a ZP topskin, and he's likely to come away ok.

And then there's the technique you bring to the jump, which is a whole other set of variables.

Honestly, I think there are a few people in the world that could do this. But given your limited experience I think people will hesitate to admit this, for fear that you might try something stupid.

Don't do it, but if you decide otherwise; make sure you get video!

I was answering to safely and that answer is NO! There's nothing safe about jumps under 100'

There are a couple people who can pull off this type of jump (and I watched a jump like this), but the people who are pulling this off, aren't asking questions on an internet forum about how to do it.

You guys worry too much. I'm not braindead.

Fair enough, I think I can agree with that. Certainly I agree that it wouldn't be safe if I tried it. It'd be stupid.

Then again, I'm a pretty stupid guy...


And this I agree with too.

However, I am getting a little tired of holding back information from people. It's not you in particular, but it's a trend I've noticed for a while. By all means we should keep people away from objects and gear if we can. But when they do ask a question, I've always found it's better to tell them the whole honest story than to give a mysteriously short answer in the hope they'll go away.

In other words, "It has been done by a select number of extremely skilled people, but you need a lot of training, knowledge and preparation to do it the least not-safe possible way." is going to be more useful than "You will certainly die if you do that."

Again, this is not directed at you in particular, but more towards a growing trend I've seen.

I tend to agree with you about sharing information, but what's with all the interest in super low jumps lately? The questions are seemign to come from people that have absolutely no business doing any type of BASE jump.

I think there's a difference between an experienced jumper, with experience in the rapid-fire paced world of BASE, asking how to explore the possibility of doing these jumps, and a person who is just curious.

The information would be posted for anyone to read so it really doesn't make a difference as far as information dissemination is concerned, but why all the low stuff from no-timers?

No idea to be honest, but I think your observation is true...

DEJAVU mate i do rember just a few months back when a person in here asked about doing TARDs off 180´whith out experience in thouse hights..

Just picking at you mate