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DaveO has been kind enough to visually explain to me how deep brake settings are important on jumps such as these.....
edited....jumps where there is a higher chance of object strike on an off heading opening....eg cliff jump

What are the disadvantages to setting your brakes deeper on these type of jumps.......ie why wouldnt you ??

Thanks

edit for thread title ~TA

I've split this off the "Moab" thread because it's a totally different topic.

if you have a LOW cliff you want to say SL off,a more shallow brakesetting wont give you as much a surge as if you had the bralkes really deep.
Also having the brakes more shallow will let the canopy fly forwards making it abel to land on rearrisers whith out popping toogles in case your too low to pop the toogles.

You´ll have to deside which kind of pros and cons you want from your set up as you jump..

Faber, can you explain this more?

It is my opinion that a shallower brake setting will create more, not less, opening surge.

Are you talking about surge when you pop the toggles? On a very low jump you shouldn't be popping the toggles to full flight. It's better to bring the toggles all the way down when you release them, and then ease them back up, to prevent surge, which also allows you to flare at any point (so that you just flare back down when you get to the ground, and take whatever flare that gives you).

My experience has been that one has to be careful about two things with very deep brake settings...

(1) Winds. In deep brakes, the canopy will get blown around easily by headwinds or crosswinds. Be aware of this -- all of the riser correction in the world won't get you away from that buttress to your left if there's even a moderate crosswind toward it. The solution is straightfoward... Understand that you may need to pop your toggles to get out of that situation.

(2) Turns. A canopy in very deep brakes -- particularly the sort of brake setting that one can easily access with a vented canopy -- may not respond to riser input at all. You'll need to go to toggles (not my recommendation) or haul down on both rear risers to generate a little speed backward before turning (my choice). Perhaps some will argue that this is a symptom of brakes set too deep? Really, I figure hauling on both rear risers should be the first response anyway.

Neither of these is a disadvantage, really, but certainly they're things you need to be aware of. Going for a shallower brake setting would probably alleviate both, but there are trade-offs, of course.

were speaking about the same.
what i meant is that more deep brakes you have more chance you have posiblity to get a surge as you pop your toogles.
As your more shallow the distance you´ll need to bring down your toogles is less. if you pop your DBS toogles but dont mannege to get the toogle all the way down before the surge more surge it will give.

I do totaly agree whith your point besides:
Im not sure which surge that you mean at that point. if you have set your brake settings at DBS you should(thory) in 0 wind not move under canopy either forward or backwards as the canopy crack open. When i put on my Shallow setting,the canopy will start flying forward in the same conditions whith out poping your toogles. Not setting your brakes at all(but keeping them in the guide rings) will bring you under a canopy in full flight as the canopy opens(somthing i dont thing people jump whith.

For me my shallow setting is aprox ½ brake,and i dont get any surge(what i have noticed)neither as the canopy opens or if i pop my toogles and bring them down right away,i just dont need to do it as quick as if its DBS as i dont need to go more than ½ way down before its equal to were the brake were stowed,and i will still have from ½ brake to full brake(stall point) to work whith.
under DBS on a LOW jump your canopy will be close to stall point,leaving you under a canopy thats easy to stall,and more difficult to fly than on ½ brake.

The above is my oppinion and how i jump has to add that im using DBS as long as im freefalling(unless its ultra low-sub 200).

I havnt noticed a surge under the opening sequence,i might havnt noticed it as im usaly is out alone,but the video i have from GC i see no surge on my low/sub 200ft. im interested to know more about that.

which is werry important to know or you will get hurt on low jumps.