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So how many did it take you??

me-100 in 555

Jason
570

hey mr. 570,

I am not trying to be negative here, but there just isn't that many posters that have over 100 objects to make this poll really worthwhile - why not do something a bit differnt :

a poll for people with more than x ( say 20 ) jumps :

how jumps to object ratio

have a few numbers, like 5:1 4:1 1:1, etc - that will give a good idea as well. Though I do realize that the ratio really slopes up as the jump numbers go up, since there's only so many objects one can open/jump/burn in their weekend driving vicinity :)

cya

OK, you may be right. There might be 20 or so people in this forum that have 100 objects or more.

You're correct about only having so many objects in the general vicinty of jumpers but that just gives you more reason to travel

I guess I really like that aspect of BASE.... finding and jumping new shit. Traveling, Getting new visuals, meeting new people, overcoming a new challenge.
Actually 100 objects is not that many if you think about ALL of the sites that are already established across the globe. I'd be willing to bet that there have been 5000 different sites jumped with about 1 million to go!!
Peace,
Jason
570

Exactly 565 jumps. You totally beat me by 10 jumps Jason. Shit.

I voted 901-1000, even though I do not have 100 objects yet, I have 286 jumps off 29 objects, so just under 10 : 1, which extrapolates to 901-1000 for 100 objects if I keep the current ratio.

This is likely an overestimation of the number of jumps it will take me, as I have recently done a LOT of jumps from one object on a single trip and I will probably travel a bit next year and spread the love around.

This may be true, but I'm sure you got paid more than me for doing those jumps

Wanna race to 200?
Jason
570

why stop at 100? Why not 200 objects or 1000 objects?

I don't have 100 objects but I have jumped a significant fraction of every object in my object-filled area. And most of these were firsts...

I will let you know when I get there. Can I count that 270' A? Or do I need to come down there and jump it with a "functioning" parachute? By the way, we did that 160' S a few weeks ago, sick video!
Congrats on 100 objects.

Rock On, Rock On SATAN!

Crater Nate

Yea, totally paid more. Gotten filthy stinkin rich off it actually. You should see my 4th base money investment property, huge. What's even better is all the great friends and amazing amount of respect I get from base jumpers now. Its good to be the king.
It was a pleasure for you to meet me.

My idea is that a 1 in 3 object to jump ratio is good.

With the access in the USA of a legal span more and more people are getting high jump numbers without a decent jump to object ratio, but feel that jump numbers are a guage of experience.

In other places in the world where a legal object is not accessable, there are many people with low jump numbers who are much more experienced that alot of people who click up numbers through a "legal bridge jump".

Note: Yes RL, I am knocking them!

Places where there is fuck all really to jump that is easy, people are still knocking up decent object to jump number ratios (much respest to the London boys on this one), and although they could be deemed "lucky" in some aspects, the experience they gain is much more than just decent "currency".

Call me a cunt, but this is what i believe....


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I voted that I thought I would never get there and realistically I doubt I ever will get 100 different objects. For sure I agree that those people who have more different object sites have built a broader experience than those who have just pounded out a bunch of jumps at only a few sites. But can we agree that BASE means different things to different people? For some, BASE is a passionate lifestyle where they travel the country side looking for the next site to jump. For others BASE is a way to enhance one's life and pursue it at their leasure. As long as someone stays reasonably current (both in jumping as well as in gear knowledge) and follows the ethics of the sport, what's so wrong with pursuing the sport on one's own personal pace and comfort levels?

I've only got 10 object sites (1 B, 2 As, 2 Ss and 5 Es) in 76 jumps (50 some odd of those jumps are at you guessed ... Potatoville ... and my other span wasn't in WV) and as long as I stay healthy, I see the potential of adding another 25+ maybe more sites to this number. But BASE is not my passion. I enjoy it otherwise I wouldn't be here. But it doesn't define who I am. I pursue BASE for my own reasons. Not to make a name for myself nor as a way of notching that next mark on my head board. Power to those who can concured many sites and for sure they possess more experience than the rest of us. But BASE means different things to different people.

cunt (since you insist)...

[ironic tone directed strictly at Mac]you UK basejumpers are so HARD, I can only hope that I will man up someday and be as HARD[/ironic tone directed strictly at Mac]

seriously guy, there is logic to your reasoning, but you are taking it to an extreme where it does not apply

if I only ever did a maximum of 3 jumps from an object, I would likely still only have 29 objects, only I'd have just 87 jumps

would that make me more experienced than I am now, with 286 jumps off those 29 objects?

no, it would not and if you make the opportunity to do a large number of jumps from an easy object, you can learn a lot of things much faster, as you are not holding back as much to keep a comparable margin of safety, like you would on objects you do not know well, or on more advanced objects...

I'd be interested to know incident/injury statistics as related to jumps:objects ratio.

No, but what 813 means is that if you have 200 jumps in total and did them from 50 objects, you have more experience then you did 200 jumps from 25 objects.

It is funny to read so many times that Americans see European jumpers as hard.

Hard in what way?

Tough
Difficult
Unfortunate

What?

Very often, European jumpers tend to jump more difficult and more dangerous objects at a lower jump number then Americans. This gives them the reputation of being hard.
Going stowed from sub 100 meter buildings in cities is pretty much considered 'normal' here, in the US it is considered crazy...
Yeah, some even jump indoor in churches...

My jump to object ratio is probably running around 7 or 8 to 1.

I'm still looking for the folks who marked "More than 200 objects jumped" the last time we polled that, if anyone knows them.

Now that was crazy.

(For those not knowing wtf http://www.basejumperguy.com/movies.html scroll down and click Koekelberg. Low rez but still worth it)

Tom,
how would your jump / object ratio be if you would exclude jumps from your local span?
Maybe the US jumpers can add how many percent of their jumps were made from that bridge. I think that the jump / object ratio will look very different then.

My guess would be that if Tom removed all jumps from the Perrine, he would still have well over a thousand jumps.

If he removed the Perrine from his list of objects jumped, he'd still have over 200 objects.

Tom is very well traveled and has jumped stuff I dream about. He might not be the best example of a typical BASE jumper.

It would still not get down to the 3.5 to 1 that DantheMan has. My early jumping career included a lot of jumps off 4 or 5 different (but not entirely legal) sites in Northern California.



I honestly think that the total number of objects is probably a better approximation for experience than either total number of jumps or jump/object ratio. The "value" of additional experience jumping an object the 2nd time drops a fair bit, I think.

In all honesty, I think that total number of objects opened is probably the best indicator of true, well rounded experience. I've been to a lot of sites where you just follow some local up, stand where he says to, and hop off when he says "go." The experience value is still there, but is nothing like the value of scoping and opening an entirely new object (in which category I'm guessing DantheMan is also doing pretty well--probably better than in total number of objects jumped). Maybe it's time for yet another poll on "how many objects have you opened?"

 
you UK basejumpers are so HARD, I can only hope that I will man up someday and be as HARD

any time you like seppo...we see it all the time...lots of "experienced jumpers" come to party then when the arsehole starts puckering and the darkness starts to wrap around they have something better to do like shave the curtains or polish their trousers...its cool we have no problem with it...if youre scared just say so...dont come to the UK giving it large then leave your rig at home...

813 has a point...as do you...dont slag us off for being hard until you come and play here...then when youre 215 feet up landing in a tennis court at 3am you too can join the hard club...until then save your ramblings for labour day at perrine or your 2000 foot As with lifts...sorry elevators...i do wish i spoke american..

anyway im off to pack...remember its DZ.com not DZ.us

laters

are you sure? I refer to this bit:


he doesn't mean someone with the same jump numbers but different numbers of objects, he means a person with less jumps, but a lower jump:object ratio

also, I am not American and I certainly don't think all European jumpers are 'hard'...

I also don't think American jumpers in general are as 'soft' as seen by some people from across the pond.

OK, I've fixed my post, as apparently even for the brits it was hard to see the irony directed at Mac's 3:1 ratio attitude.




dude, I'm there with both my rigs, wouldn't have it any other way


like I said, I fixed my post, I wasn't slagging off the UK jumpers, just taking the piss out of Mac's blighty supremacist posts...


awesome, an invite to my UK B, thanks dude!
looking forward to it!


never been at the perrine for labour day

no jump higher than 876ft

never rode an elevator up any object

it did take me some effort to learn to communicate clearly in the US, especially after being warped by living in Essex for 3 years...


I'll try, shouldn't be too hard, as I'm a South African living in Canada, I'm hoping that might help give me a wider perspective...

PS - I'm not claiming to be experienced here. I just like jumping most objects more than 3 times...

well, I best go start putting more clothes on so I can go jump, because that's what we soft Americans do in the winter, go to Canada to jump in an effort to harden up...

I admit I laughed out loud here.

Why is it that so many people think this is a US-centric forum?


What does 980 have in common with DZ.com?

They are both South African, and both "live" in Canada (DZ.com is hosted in Canada and owned by a South African).

In all honesty? Because it is. 9 out of every 10 posts I can just smell the red, white and blue (and I aint talking about holland or france)

What is your point?

Oh say can you see?

This thread has 28 posts including this one.

Either 14 or 15 of those posts have been made by non-US folks (depends on if you count Vid666, a Russian living in the US, as an American or not).

So it's right around 50%.

Where are you getting your 9 out of 10 from?

edit because 2 people posted while I was typing--one American and one not-American, so the ratio is unaltered.

I think if you want to have a conversation about politics or national anthems, you should leave and go have your conversation in the Speakers Corner.

Your posts have completely left the topic of BASE jumping.

I was just answering a question DexterBase
Then I answered your question...
I didn't even bring it up

Tom...not just this topic obviously.
And whenever someone says 9/10 thay just mean "often".

Nevermind. I should have known someone was gonna get sensitive about it. I take back everything I said.

I'm not getting sensitive, it's just that this was an intersting thread until politics got involved.

I really do think that way too many people assume that everyone they are talking to is American. 980 is a good example, as is Sangiro.

Hehe. Not really politics...just nationality.
Anyway...I didn't bring it up so why don't we all leave it at that and get back on topic.


Yes. We do.

Note: Yes RL, I am knocking them!
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dude are you talkig to me / dont get it ???
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leaving in the morning to try to get #101!!

Jason
570

dude - you are fast becoming the next leroydb...

try to stop that, please, one is WAY more than enough

velen danke

Ray Mate,he ref to Ronda L but hey i might show him a pic of you and he might fall in love whith you aswell

Lesson #1

Tom might split the tread or somthing? as it IS a good tread

At least ill do my best to bring us back.

often laugh when people ague about which part of the world that is more badass than others.
Why?
Simply cecourse we have different kind of cultures and diffrent kind of objects.
People in the states might dont jump as low stuff as there is beeing jumped in Europe(exept special cases,Spence i havnt for got our deal),but in Europe we dont have the oppertunety to do as many flippys as US

Then we have Asia,Russia and Autralia,all humble places were they dont speak alot about what they do.

Gennerally there are Badass people all over the world,so i cant see one group as more badass

I think as Tom A Says that people opening objects trying out different stuff(also slider up and down,SL ,PCA and other non BASErelated fun)are the most badass people in the world.

#100 dosnt mean alot to thouse,having fun out there is all that counts.

The English gentry rate their objects difficult and challenging and themselves as "hard"??????

Perhaps they should travel to distant shores and see how their convict peasants down under compare.

The challenge is on old chaps.

You're all welcome anytime.


Is that how big you guys make your student landing areas??? So what is the landing area size for experienced jumpers? We tend to use postage stamps. Unless we have an off day, then it's and A4 notebook. But it has to be covered in big sharp rocks too.

Jump Numbers Versus Object Numbers

Its all good people's. As long as you are jumping, nothing is bad.

Every extra jump builds your skill and experience level.

Jumping the same object many times allows a person to improve and perfect a particular subset of skills. For example, a person who only jumps at the Perrine is more likely to develop better aerobatic competency than a person jumping 100 buildings around the world. You can also experiment more on jump sites you are familiar with. This allows the opportunity to develop a greater/broader subset of skills.

A person who jumps a wide variety of objects develops a different set of skills altogether. Some include:
- abilty to analyse, interpret, and plan a jump. This incorporates a range of skills including potential problem and risk analysis, gear configuration and execution as well as the logic behind each scenario, survival skills in terms of having to think of a greater range of risks and methods to resolve them, etc.
- gear configuration
- varyring deployment techniques, exit positions, freefall positions, etc.
- accuracy skills
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I think that each person should focus on what the aims/ambitions/goals are in BASE jumping. Once you've done this, you will be able to work out whether lots of jumps off a few sites or a few jumps off many sites is important to you. Each to their own...

Overall, a person with a wider variety of objects, a higher number of jumps, and a broader range of types of experiences and skills would be considered of higher experience.

An experienced person is one who has consistantly shown that they are able to successfully complete a maneouvre or task on multiple occasions. They are considered even more experienced in a broader sense, if the range of skills are many and varied.

All the best.

Love your work.

See you on the edge.

Preferable not half way down.

xoxoxoxo

He's talking to me, Ray, not to you. And he's sleeping right now (it's the middle of the night where he is, or at least it was when you posted), so he can't hear you.

It's all good.

rl

P.S. Remember: You're "Ray," I'm "rl," even when someone USES ALL CAPS for my name.

What? How can anything be wrong with that reply of mine?
Anyway...I'l stop being the next leroydb

Hey Tom...laughed my arse off....Fast Al was here as im susre you have been...he said he thought the UK to be pretty hardcore thats good enough for me...ive even seen some belgians here who werent too sure...anyway...i guess we are all hard as nails...thats what the sports about right?

im off to eat some broken glass

Tom B has been here. There's a shot of Si doing a go 'n' throw off the lower level of our popular pylon on beyond extreme. In broad daylight no less. These old timers have no respect........

You 2 can respectfully stop saying my name...

unless you want to spank me big boys...

What, you can't chew it yourself????? You need someone to mash/break it up for you first????

Seriously though, I have been there - early 1999 for jumping. There are some very interesting sites. You know all the popular ones of course. It would be rude of me to mention them here. I also did a bunch that are not regulars. And some plain dumb ones too. There were corroded ladders up chimneys, howling winds in narrow gorges, generous publicans in London Central, antennas to the east, bridges to the west, cliffs to the west and south, suicide signs at exit points, the list goes on.

I had a fun time with some of the locals one day. I was waiting at a very popular site to the east of the city. Saw two people coming with stash bags. So I pretended to be a security guard / land owner for a little while. The reaction I got when they finally found out I was one of them and a convict. . . priceless. We did some nice jumps in inter winds. I think their names were Pierre and Simon (sorry - I have an ever diminishing memory).

The great thing about London - a vibrant metropolis only a few hours flying away from the wonders of Europe.

p.s. to Sabre210 - it was inconspicuous, something like 5 to 6am on a Sunday morning, no one around (except us jumpers). At a time when the jumping population was minimal. The weather was crap (it is London of course ), and everyone was still asleep indoors.

p.s.s. old timers??? Watch it buddy. Although I am getting softer in my "old age".

Ahhh is see, RL is you...Me so-Dumb !
He must be looking some Intelligent conversation then.
Or Possibly Needs a little - Girl Talk - maybe new fashion colors or Shoes......
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Indeed it was Si and Pierre. Simon still jumps from time to time although he recently broke his ankle off that very same site, he took me under his wing for a while when i first got back off my FJC. Pierre on the other hand quit BASE altogether. One too many strikes me thinks.

I'm just ribbing you about the day blazing.

Tom, you've got me baffled though about "generous publicans in central London". I'm very intrigued. That sounds like something right up my street....figuratively and literally. PM perhaps???

ian

p.s. stop kidding yourself. You're WAY old.

Does anyone here have deca-BASE? The only person who had it years ago as far as I know was Phil Smith, BASE 1. Deca-BASE by definition means, at least 10 different Buildings, 10 different Antennas or Aerials, 10 different Spans, and 10 different Earth sites.

Hello,
Yes.
B's - 21
A's - 21
S's - 26
E's - 35
O's - 15
118 objects total with 573 BASE jumps.
Avery

a 20.59% object to jump coversion with those statisics proves that the 1 in 3 I stated as experienced really does prove that "iam a cunt"

I always think a 1 in 3 is a good ratio "generally", but obviously results are skewed with greater jump numbers and differing reasons for jumping... and some of you seem to misinterperate the way I post.... (even rl understood my wierd ways and obtuse posting methods! - thats not you Ray)

sorry to rub some of you up the wrong way... seems more of you got more offended by my post about jump v objects then the killing a kitten...

what about rain-base?

Short by 3 Buildings but working on them

175 jumps off 60 objects.

ian

B's -18
A's - 13 (only include one's with guy wires.)
S's - 12
E's - 17
O's - 43
103 objects, 350 jumps.

Spread the love.
Dan-the-Man.

What do you count free standers as?

And, can you explain why you do this? It's really just semantic, so it's not very important, but I tend to use the "classic" definitions of either (a) geometry: a straight vertical line (which means smoke stacks are A's) or (b) wind: the wind blows through it. Of the two I prefer the wind explanations, since I think wind is more relevant to the actual jumping.

For those not familiar with the defintions I refer to above, they are:

A) Geometry

Building: A three dimensional shape
Antenna: A vertical line
Span: A horizontal line
Earth: A vertical plane


B) Wind

Building: the wind blows around it
Antenna: the wind blows throught it
Span: the wind blows under it
Earth: the wind blows over it


It's all just silly semantics anyway, but can sometimes be an entertaining diversion.

Do you consider a power tower to be an antenna?

Yes.

I try not to get too caught up in the 'classification of objects' debate; to me they are all basejumps.
At an early stage of my base career someone (can't even remember who) stated that you could only class the object as an A if it had guy wires.
I adhere to that school of thought for the reason that avoiding the wires singles this object out from the others; you have to consider wind speed and direction, your exit point, delay, canopy control, dealing with off heading openings.
I have jumped many freestanders and pylons and can fully appreciate the argument for calling them A's, but for me -no.
I posted on the British base board a while back under the title 'to B or not to B,' asking the same question about B's. Some people call gastowers, cooling towers, chimnies, cranes on top of buildings, silos B's.
Personally, i like to keep things simple; if you jumped a dam ( for example) and called it a B, would you jump a building and call it a dam?
Laters. DTM.
PS.
Last night/early this morning i jumped objects 102 and 103, a chimney and a building- that's an O, and a B, not an A and a B, or 2B's.
Like i said previously 'me, me, me, me, me...'

logging as a BASE yes. Or P for Pylon

Wow, I'm very impressed with some of the responses so far. Welp, one day I'll surpass 100 objects, once I get this student debt off my back and can travel out of my immediate area. I'm still proud of being about to 35 local objects or so. The whole world is jumpable!

What about poor west aussies? I'd like to get into BASE and as far as I can see I'd be impressed if our entire state(i think it's 3 times the size of texas) has more than 10 jumpable objects.

Your not looking hard enough.

I saw more than that a couple of years ago, and I wasn't even really looking.

Perth itself has some awesome buildings.

3:1 really would be outstanding and VERY hard work. Unless you only have 3 jumps!

Gus (37 in 170 = 5:1)

Yep - the joys of travel, time, being focused on BASE for a number of years, competing with friends on who can conquer the most virgins, being bored with regular objects on occasion, being in other places at certain times a/c other commitments, because they are there, it's not that hard when you start looking, and I love virgins. Just did a new bridge the other day too.

Don't bother coming to essex if you love virgins.
The only reason Jesus wasn't born in essex is because they couldn't find 3 wise men and a virgin called mary...
DTM.

(drumroll)

tell your friends, he's here all week.

i thank you

ian

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Perth itself has some awesome buildings.

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...........there's a nice A' down in Bussleton about 3 hours south- towards Margaret river.

Not me, but reading through an old issue of Skydiving from back in 1993 (don't ask) , there is a picture of Dennis McGlynn making his 330th fixed object jump, and he says that 100 of his BASE jumps have been made at different "locations" (is that different from objects?).

edit for site name ~TA

As of Friday night

100th object - 290th jump.

It's been interesting. Cheers to all along the way who've shared.

ian

Stats for anyone who likes stats are:

B's - 21
A's - 19
S's - 16
E's - 18
O's -30 inc 4 dams, 3 chimneys, 8 cranes, 6 power towers, 3 gasometers, 2 monuments and 4others

total 104 from 294 jumps since Sep 2002

highest - Italian Terminal Wall, lowest 140ft A,S,B

Longest Canopy ride - ITW a few mins, shortest 2secs

No Aerials, No unpacked jumps, no wingsuits. Would like to in the future though.

2 broken legs, many scars. Time out due to injury 4months.

1 object strike, a few tree landings, a few water landings

2 dead friends, several busts, no fines or cell time.

Normal service on this forum may now resume.

ian

Nice set of stats and congrats on object 100! I still have a ways to go for 100 but just for the hell of it here are mine:

B's - 2
A's - 27
S's - 4
E's - 13
O's -2 inc 1 crane, 1 Monopole

total 48 from 271 jumps since May 2004

total freefall 8 minutes 30 seconds

day 81 night 190

highest - 1500ft A, lowest 180ft Monopole

Longest Canopy ride - Monkey Lips maybe a minute, lowest - don't know maybe 5 seconds

A few gainers, A few unpacked jumps, no wingsuits. Would like to in the future though.

1 sprained shoulder, 1 sprained ankle. Time out due to injury a few days.

0 object strikes, 1 tree landing (see sprained shoulder), a 1 water landing

0 dead friends, 0 busts but close a couple times, no fines or cell time.

So both resurrecting an interesting old thread and following on in the not so subtle look at me vein.

I did my 99th, 100th and 101st object on Saturday night!
100 objects took me 162 jumps.

For those that give a fuck.

24 B's (object 101 makes it 25 B's)
4 Tri Guy (yes it needs wires to count in my book)
11 Bridges
6 Cliffs
55 other (freestanders, telescopes, chimneys, wind turbines, pylons, etc)

Highest ITW 3500ft?
Lowest over solid ground 105ft E
On the opening load for 39 of them.

No arrests, although I have had a chat with the police on 4 occasions. (told you Kiki we English don't need to run)
No hospital time.

Soooooooooo in the immortal words of Dan The Man

LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME!!!!!

this is how close i came to striking tombstone on my 10th basejump. was able to riser out before impact.

Congrats on 100 objects mate!! Was happy to share one with you :)

You can't have many objects with more than 2 jumps on... That's pretty impressive!!

Hello buddy!

I'm over 200 objects =) so I have a ratio around 5,5 to 1.

Over time it will probably go up, because I really do very few basetrips to new locations now days. I'm going more or less to my "favorites" sites around the world when I like to jump.

Stay safe and give my best to your family!

PerFlare

100 objects took me 535 jumps to achieve.

Wow, congratulation Simon!

On a side note: how many people who posted in this thread are dead or fucked up pretty bad? :-(

It was a good night Paul, even if we only managed 1 lob. We will have to do it more often.

The most any one object is 8 off a 160ft pylon 15 mins from my house.
6 of a bridge in France and 5 off Brento.
The rest are 1's and 2's

645

315

It should have been closer to 200....but thats the way the cookie crumbles. (damn KL)

this thread is about as cool bragging about "how big is your cock?"

39 jumps 19 objects including the Eiger (mushroom) not to bad for a newbie

Would that be hard or soft, because looks can be decieving

Just hit 100; 287 jumps B(5)A(15)S(6)E(69)O(5)

79 pitches off separate points.