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Well?

What say the masses?

If the demand is high enough, video of the attempts will be made available to the public for a reasonable fee...

Truthfully, I'm a little torn on this one. I'm a big cat person but deep down inside I'd love to see this and would probably laugh my ass off watching it. So I propose instead of a cat, we use a dog!

A little chihuahua would be good with a 46" PC I think.

no doubt it will be fine.
how's the landing area?
~J

If anyone wants to send me a 46' pc i'd be happy to send my persian off a local 90 ft E. May do a couple off another local 30 ft S before we try the E... Just got to make sure mom doesnt know what the cats doing. fucking crazy cat and his base jumping addiction... Should I get it to leave a letter in case it goes in? Also if it goes in do I remove the rig and just leave the body at the scene or call the cops and ride it out?

he's so fluffy he prolly doesnt even need rig. Jeb eat your heart out

I can say for certain that the little chihuaha did well when duct taped to the chest strap of a jumper performing aerials.

And the dog thing is so 90's. It's all about live cats now--that's about the only thing left, isn't it?

monkeys, little monkeys, you could proably train it to pull too.

Hamsters BASE too!!

Ahh that reminds me of a story an old Army buddy told me one time.

He and some guys made a harness out of 550 cord, got some parachutes from some illumination flares and would launch hamsters from the roof of their barracks (3rd floor) with a 3 man slingshot. He said one of the little guys had 21 jumps and unfortunately there were some casualties as well as deserters.

All was going well till the pet store owner called their commander wondering why his soldiers were buying all these hamsters. When their CO approached them they were fresh out of hamsters so they had to introduce someones iguana to the wonderful world of BASE.

Gabe

 
toss Fluffy out!

using a descent rate calculator for a 46" http://www.aeroconsystems.com/tips/descent_rate.htm, and assuming it's a 0.5 lb kitten, the cat will impact at 5 mph, which is far too safe for BASE.

u could get a kitty cypres so that Fluffy can at least enjoy some true freefall or go down to a sporty 20" square so that Fluffy can perform a catswoop.

Here we go. If the cat chickens out, Luis will jump it.

Maybe you should try it first to make sure it's safe for the cat.

Depending on its size it would be a student cat or high performance cat at between 1 to 2 lb/sq.ft.

BTW Animal cruelty in California is a B class misdemeanor, just like the famous jump in a famous valley. Includes cat and chute confiscation

Maybe you should go hug a tree...

maybe anyone that thinks that this thread is funny should reassess themselves...

this is not amusing at all…

and I am disgusted that certain posts get deleted and this sort of thing is acceptable, what a great advert for BASE having this sort of thing acceptable on the forums…

this sort of thread makes BASE jumpers look like complete cunts, what a great way of having the media be able to see what we are about!

Nice one Tom!

I'm going to agree with BASE813 on this one.

While, as a casual meat consumer, I am not going to comment on the ethical dillema presented in this post, I am going to point out that the nature of the dillema has absolutely nothing to do with BASE jumping, and is best discussed in other fora.

I got's the perfect one next door to me that wont shut up

this thread is fucking disgusting...

 

I really don’t give a toss about the media - but the hypcrocity is laughable.

If you are really worried that the media read this site about certain incidents then don’t fucking allow posts like this. You can’t have it both ways.

I agree, fuck the media, but don’t on one hand act in one way to not to give them ammunition then allow a really twatish post that will give them ammunition in the long term…

I would put money on the hypothesis that the majority of BASE jumpers would not him or herself want to be the person to throw a kitten from 320 feet under a 46 inch pilotchute. I may agree that the majority would love to see video of such an act though. Interesting how many people wouldn't do it themselves, but wouldn't mind seeing it on television.

I think most people think this thread is too darn silly to even comment on.


Like you say; a portion. Who knows how big this portion is?


He never argued that he represented the BASE community. He did argue that threads like this do not benefit the BASE community, and have a small chance to harm the BASE community. I agree with him on this.

The bottom line here is not about the kitten. I care about kittens, but as a fan of meat I'm not the one to judge how other people treat animals. That's their decision. The real issue here is whether or not this discussion is actually suitable for a forum about BASE jumping.

I think not.

There are plenty of animal-cruelty or ethical-debate forums out there. Why not try one of those?


That's not what you and many others argued when the El Cap protest jump was being discussed. Selective fucking of the media, eh? Not a bad idea per se, but it makes me wonder which party ends up with the cock up his ass; us, or them?

I also have to say; massive kudos to BASE 704 for bringing the best out of us.

This thread certainly served its intended purpose already...

Please, think of the kittens.

Speaking as one from whom he tried to borrow a cat (I voted for the PETA option, btw)...

The first post in this thread is a joke. The second post is not.

"The Man Who Loved Cat Chasing" is part of the Bedtime Stories for Skydivers collection.

Another discussion especially posts 4, 9 and 17.

And probably most informative, this thread.

Sheesh. I've been in a crummy mood for 24 hours, and now I'm ready to beat someone into a bloody pulp. <lightbulb> Here kitty, kitty...

rl

Edited to add: The old-timers (just for you, Nick) have the best stories, as well as having something resembling a sense of humor.

What is wrong with this younger generation?

Will you join in the fun if 704 promices to consume any test pilots that don't make it? what if he also sews their hides together into a piece of fashionable attire that will keep him warm through the long winter months?
lighten up yall, you should hear the jokes paramedics tell.
~j

The Cat made it (it was a 36" PC from 180ft)
Cat weighed 4.3 lbs on exit
I tried to convince him to go stowed but he insisted on a PCA.
The harness for the jump was a "Husky" service harness made for seeing eye dogs.
(small breeds like yorkies) All metal buckles.
He had fun.
After the jump...And I quote, he said "now tell 813 to Get off my nuts!"
I did however scold him severely for day blazing the building and risking a burn.
You know what they say...A little pussy is nothing but trouble.

This post is a joke in case you couldnt tell

By the way I would post the pics but it clearly identifies the site, and the pussy would really rather remain anonymous

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So long as BASE PC manufacturers don't start labeling their products as "tested on animals", I see nothing ethically wrong with this.
Otherwise, it's sick.

Why 320'? Let him make a historic leap from El Cap.

Imagine rangers chasing a cat on Big Meadow...

I totally agree with 813....Fuckin' Disgusting is putting it lightly. People are the worst and most evil creatures in the world.

A kitten might need a vented 42...I hear they are sensitive to the effects of oscillation.

Yes there was a post about how a kitty jumped from a plane, was doing fine under canopy for a while, then he spassed out and started climbing up the lines which collapsed, or put his ride into a spin. Kitty went in at a county fair infront of kids. Not sure it was real or not, but I could see it happen. I say do it, but tape his paws so he cant climb up the lines.

Like it or not, black death style humor is now, and always has been (and likely always will be) part of our sport.

It's a joke, people. Lighten up a little.

For the record, I'm an exception to this. I totally rule.

exactly. chill out, happy halloween people. just be sure not to put any extra pins in the apples for the kids, as they prefer tailgates nowadays.

Yeah I know...Gee didn't think anyone would get offended. I've lived with the worlds Freakiest of Freaks. Back atchya. Cheers Always everyone.

I am with Tom on this one. Drama and politics is one of the biggest reasons I choose to BASE over skydive. Let's take a chill and love life, because we all have one thanks to this wonderful sport!!

Everybody, please think of the cats.

Moronic. Utterly moronic.

Joke or not, this thread just makes a lot of you look like a bunch of mindless 'american pie' high school jocks, all desperately trying to outdo each other in the 'i'm so radical and crazy, look at me' stakes.
813 at least has the balls to stand up and speak his mind, knowing that doing so was going to leave him vulnerable to accusations of being a kill joy, cos no one likes to be told they're not funny.

Equally as funny would be a "how much of a mess do you think the freshly severed head of a US Marine would make if dropped by an Iraqi insurgent from the top of a Baghdad building using a 42" pilot chute"


But pleeeasse, don't get indignant. It's just a joke.

Context is everything.

BASE arose from skydiving; skydiving has a long history of "what happens when you put a cat out of an airplane" jokes. (Links in my last post above--note that the the Humane Society happily accepted the proceeds from the sale of tapes of such a comedy routine.) The next logical step is "cat from object."

Me, I voted for calling in PETA, but that's only because in the context of the joke, it seemed the funniest option to me. I have this vision of TJ up on the antenna, trying to get the cat geared up, with PETA protesting below. In my mind, given the behavior of both cats and PETA, it makes a very funny picture, and boy, do I need a laugh.

The image your analogy evokes makes me ill. There is no possible humor to be found in it.

Anyway, speaking as the person whose kitty was "volunteered" to take the leap, I can tell you I have discussed it with her fully, and she's perfectly gleeful for the chance to give TJ a run for his money.

As clever as TJ is, I'm still betting on the cat.

rl

P.S. Have you ever read a treatise on humor? All humor is at the expense of something or someone.

From Stranger in a Strange Land, by Robert A. Heinlein:

She said grimly, "Apparently the pratfall is the peak of all humor. It's not a pretty picture of the human race, Mike."

"Oh, but it is!"

"Huh?"

"I had thought--I had been told--that a 'funny' thing is a thing of goodness. It isn't. Nor ever is it funny to be the person it happens to. The goodness is in the laughing itself. I grok that it is a bravery...and a sharing...against pain and sorrow and defeat."

I know of an elephant that has over 200 jumps, mostly 2ways but also a few solos- He's mad for it.
'Power to the Pachyderms!'

Ahhh, the sage that is Rhondalea

Well wise one, you got me. I feel soooo humbled now. What with the context explained and you setting me straight on what does and doesn't constitute funny.

Thanks for that.

Oh, just one last point you could maybe explain using excessive quotes and philosophical references.

The cat thing....it makes me feel ill. There is no possible humour to be found in it.

And i'm not alone in that assessment so don't try to paint me to be some kind of pariah.

oh yeah...two other things: Firstly, I quite catagorically stated "equally as funny would be....". As I have stated, I don't find the cat thing funny, ergo, neither is the analogy . Secondly, that particular method of execution of troops i mentioned is done for a specific reason. It's done using the same methods for slaughtering animals - in accordance with halal. In otherwords, the killers are saying and no doubt believe, this living thing is of no more value to me than an animal. I would have thought that within the CONTEXT of this discussion you might have spotted the parallels on how we value life (or not as it seems).

Anyone can quote a poet, philosopher or respected thinker at the end of their post in an attempt to gain credibility. It doesn't necessarily make your point any more valid though.

Have you ever read Burning in water drowning in flames by Charles Bukowski;

the next time I break an egg I'll think of you

scramble with a fork

and turn up the flame

You're welcome.

I was a wildlife rehabilitator for years. I've never not owned a cat, and at one time I had 13 cats, two dogs, two parrots, 200 turtles and tortoises, several snakes (including a new-hatched black rat given to me as a wedding present), some odd amphibians, as well as countless raccoons, skunks, deer, songbirds and a few things I forgot to mention. My life revolved around them.

I have never abused or abandoned an animal, and I've gone to some pretty great lengths to keep critters safe. I would sooner feed my cat than myself, if I had to make a choice, and back in my single-mother days, I did without a lot of things to keep both child and pets fed.

I say all that just so you understand my mindset when it comes to animals. I do surely like them a whole lot more than I like people.

As for you, I understand neither your lack of humor nor do I understand your hostility towards me, but my current theory is that hostile, angry people have no sense of humor.

I'll get back to you on that when I have enough data to support my conclusion.

In the meantime, Baby is practicing for her great adventure from the roof of the house. She's having a blast.

rl

Sorry, what did i say that was indicative of my humour you fail to understand.

I'll re-read my post to find the joke, but i'm pretty sure I never attempted to be funny. I did point out that the cat thing wasn't funny, in the same way the head thing wouldn't be funny.

That fall back to "why are you so hostile" is obtuse.

Q "why are you so argumentative?"

A "i'm not argumentative"

Reply "see you're doing it now".

Come on. That was a weak reply and you know it.

What was being discussed here is to many people reading these threads utterly moronic and does NOTHING at all beneficial for BASE jumpers. It makes us all look like a bunch of yahoos who have no respect. And it directly links to our activity which is BASE. You may very well understand the context and think it's funny, but i don't, and so it's safe to say neither did a lot of people reading this.

What next, some really humourous racist jokes or a few well placed paedophile gags. Believe me with enough effort i could justify a context in which to tell them.

Wake up people. This is a public forum. What's posted here is ammunition to our detractors and justification for further limitations placed on us.

It's amazing how many out there got all worked up about a rail jump cos of the negative effects it might have on the public perception of BASE jumpers yet seem to feel the subject under discussion here will be found universally funny. It won't and it will do nothing but harm.

We have rupture.

rl

Its not just the proper size of canopy. You need a counter weight on the cat unless its climbing up on the lines a collapse its canopy.

so it seems.

yawn.

I'll leave you comedians to it. Heard any good rape jokes recently, titter titter.

this shits hilarious...you would never guess it was hurricane season would you....hehehe

whats the difference between an aston martin and a garage full of dead hookers....i dont have an aston martin...

as it happens i dont have a garage either...and this WAS a joke..funny as fuck i dont think...

I'm not hugging "Tree", he's not my type.

Ok, now that was the only funny thing I've read in this thread so far.

The cat thing might be funny if it wasn't for the fact that some of the people who post on here would probably really pull such a moronic stunt.

This thread is the funniest thing Ive read in ages.
I cant do much of anything at the moment due to a broken ankle.

Thanks for a break in the boredem :)

Hello,
There is a difference between judge and care.
I think you, and everyone, should care about the treatment of animals.
How a person treats animals will be indicative of how they treat people.
How an animal is treated during its life, before you eat it, is important.
Please treat every living thing with love and dignity.
Avery

I was vegan for two years, and vegetarian for ten. If it wasn't for a certain tri-tip offered to me after an unplanned long delay, I would probably still be vegetarian. These days, I still prefer the vegetarian dish over meat.

That's not to argue that I care about animals per se, but to show that I am very familiar with the debate on ethical treatment on animals. I've seen and been on every side of that argument and if I was anything like the self-righteous dick I was in my vegan years I would have personally attacked the crap out of the original poster.

If one of my friends wanted to PCA a kitten, I would politely but forcefully ask he'd not do it. If he would persist, I would leave the scene and reconsider my friendship.

That said, I don't think PCAing a kitten harms it more than we harm most animals on their way to our stomach. To worry more about a kitten that is PCAd than about the pork on our plate tells me said person has never visited a modern industrial strength farm and slaughterhouse. It is indicative of our society today to worry more about cute little kittens than about the meat on our plate.

Aw shucks...

I tried to avoid it, but now I'm inevitably drawn into an ethical debate. My original comment was to avoid this since it is not what these forums are for.

I think you and I equally care about the kitten, and equally love the meat on our plate. Today, I'm comfortable acknowledging I'm a complete hypocrite for being so. It doesn't make me a better person, but I've found that self-rightenousnes veganism doesn't lead to higher moral standards either.

Meanwhile, BASE 704 is laughing his ass of because he managed to drag my ass out and make me write this long post.

Oh well. Rightfully so, you deserve it 704...

I feel sorry for the elephant!

One time I was over the rail, almost ready to go, Dantheman and Kole Shaker (the pachyderm) were jumping next. Kole's words of encouragement? 'I'll be OK but you are fucked.'.

I can't believe this thread lives while the awesome shot of me and my Beacon was sent to the trash bin along with other posts concerning it.


PS. A 42 works just fine for a kitten. Pics will follow shortly

i read here often but don't post... must say however that this thread has kept me in stitches. i've peed myself thrice already.

it's really something when even a greenie tells the nay-sayers to lighten up.

so I had a 30 # silver tabby for 16 years... what PC would he have needed? he was a docile Garfield-esque sort of creature, he wouldn't have minded a bit to be chucked off any sort of object... he probably would have fallen asleep on the ride down...

Will Bartlett's Beacon survive a free-fall-assist from 320' with a 46" p/c?

whats the difference between a truck full of bowlingballs and truck full of dead babies?


you cant unload the bowlingballs with a pitchfork...

Cleatus, stop masturbating for a split second and get your ass up north, before it starts snowing.

It's all about peer pressure anyway I triple dog dare you to do it.


On the other hand...

Pot belly pigs, have better stability, but we used too small of a pc, and turned it into a flat belly pig.

Then we eat it bacon for breakfast the next day

I love animals... they're very tasty

Come on... you're gonna have to do better than that!

Try aiming a camera at me next time. I have a tendency to try killing myself much harder when somebody points a camera at me. I guess it's not peer pressure, but camera pressure. Unfortunately, I'm not joking. Case in point, my first and last attempt at some inverted chaos during Bridge Day...

Jaap, you weren't kidding about that jump!?! What the F was that?

Actually this whole discussion is pointless. Cats don't need PC's to survive long freefalls:



If cats fall a larger distance such as two or more floors, even though they can right themselves, their legs and feet can no longer absorb all of the shock. Their heads may hit the ground and they often bruise their chin and may fracture some teeth. Falls of four or more floors cause the cat to hit the ground at maximum velocity and thus acquire a multitude of injuries including a ruptured diaphragm, torn liver, and fractured bones.

Interestingly, two veterinarians did a study (examining 132 cases of cats that had fallen out of high-rise windows) and found that in falls of seven stories or less, the chance of survival was indeed greater with the shorter distances. However, with falls greater than seven stories, the number of injuries actually declined when compared to falls at seven stories. So, beyond seven stories, the farther the fall, the better the chance of survival! They found that the reason for this was that after five stories or so, cats reach terminal velocity. The velocity or speed of a falling body does not increase forever because the rate of increase in speed is interrupted by air resistance. A skydiver reaches a terminal velocity of around 130 to 140 mph after about 30 seconds of free-falling. Cats reach terminal velocity much sooner at about 60 mph.

Before reaching terminal velocity, cats have their muscles tensed and are rigid and flexed and prepared for landing, making them more prone to injury due to the impact. Once they've reached terminal velocity, however, they relax and spread themselves out much like a flying squirrel, allowing the impact to be absorbed by a larger surface area and therefore resulting in fewer injuries.


http://www.cat-olholics.com/...d-on-their-feet.html

So... Will be tossing kitty from around 700ft from now on

Total chaos. I pitched before I even went below the railing. It was all rather embarrassing.

Mind you, it was completely planned this way. I've done this move of the diving board many times. I did think to stretch the amount of time when taking this thing from a five meter board to a 900 foot bridge, but when push came to shove I initiated the rotation just as hard as I usually do. Pulling exactly in the rotation where I planned on pulling, but unfortunately not being very low yet...

Bwhuauhahuahua, I'll blame it on Bridge Day. Anything goes there, right?

Splatula. Represent.

 

Splatula. Represent.

Avery.if you really mean that....awesome. What comes around will come back to bite. Can't wait for the dinosours to get thier world back. Like you say it's a beatiful planet and absolutely a rotton world.

So Jaap, do you have any more pics of that jump after your exit?

If not, what happend?

 

Bet you can't outdo NASA:

Kitty on the Vomit Comet

I hope that cat was declawed!

whats black and blue and doesnt like sex?

that cat iin the trunk of my car.

He threw it into the wall?? At one point he was in a uncontrollable spin

ooohh Are you talking to me......cornshit. Really, "charmspoop" that's a good one. By the way a bear wouldn't have to be shot unless you REALLY STINK. What happened to the "brotherly , familia, community? People must be bored or boring. Since we're all on a humor roll here. I prefer Sienfeld for laughs. Cheers.

I just pitched high, facing the bridge. Definitely not an aerial to try off a cliff...

Spun it around and ended up landing in a circle that got me a 50 dollar world lottery ticket that led me to waste an hour of my life that I'm not getting back...

Oh well, my fault. Can't complain.

Fortunately the second jump went a lot better. Unstable exit followed by one full line-twist and losing both toggles. But I called it out that way and it was intentional, so then it's allright, right?

Dude, this is soooooo something Dwain would have been a part of.....speaking of which, has anyone still got that t-shirt???

      
That is not a hamster.
It's a Guinea Pig making a tree landing.

See Attached:

This reminds me of D.W.s road kill series. "Road kill cat" and "Road kill fox".
Anyone have copies of those videos? I'd love to see them again.

People, who are we to choose on behalf of the cat that it can't enjoy the same sport that we do?

I am sure there are plenty of cats out there that want to make the natural transition from napping and drinking milk into base. But we never think that its up to us to help them gear up (thank you, oppsable thumbs).

Here is a prime example - http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=51154 - now how much more fun would this little fella have had with a kitty-Flik on?

Shame on us for not considering their extreme needs.

I've got a couple of them. Road Kill Possum is definitely a classic. I think my favorite part is when Dwain is throwing rocks at Ray as he wades across the near-freezing waters of a fast moving creek (he'd landed out and had to wade back to meet them). DJ is in the background saying "here is Ray, pioneer of new landing areas, crosser of cold creeks..."

Check out this page on Feline Terminal Velocity and how they land on their feet.

http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/211.web.stuff/Kuhns/terminal_velocity.htm

Not always.

Stolen from the Bonfire:

Kitty Game