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Jumping for disabled children - how to help
Here it is again since it was hidden deep in that other thread.
If anyone would like to donate this is a great cause. Miles' record thingy is raising money for disabled children. Please call now! Running out of time!
Call the Magic Valley Regional Medical Center Foundation at (208) 737-2482. Also during the event (Midnight to Midnight, the entire 16th) you can call (208) 404-1039. I believe at either # you can pledge and pay. They will know more about it than me.
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Re: [Treejumps] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
Really productive post Tree. This project if for a good cause. The only thing discusting are your attempts to tear it down. This project is happening because of the support Red Bull is giving. I have been out of the country and do not know if Red Bull has given an actual pledge other than making the project possible.
As I said before I am the only one close to this project who ever frequents this forum. Miles never expected any support from this place anyway because of people like you who tear him down all the time.
At least $10,000 has been raised as far as I know. All from people in the Twin Falls area calling into all the radio stations. This is enough to treat several children who couldn't normally afford it.
Why don't you spend your time on the phone pledging some $ instead of being an ass.
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Re: [Treejumps] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
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I tried to look at this in a positive light, but it just reeks of "look at me"

true, very true...

but, uh, so?
the media will choose how much time to give MD and how much time to give to the charity. most media outlets know when people attempt to manipulate them.

if you think more money could be raised by just GIVING it straight to the charity, you're right. so, next time a co-worker is raising funds by selling candy or girl scout cookies, simply refuse the product and hand over some cash.
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Re: [ClifHuckstable] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
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Miles never expected any support from this place anyway because of people like you who tear him down all the time.

Well he's got some!

Miles, you can make it happen bro!! Go Hard.......
Hope your still planning on coming back up north for some of those unjumped exit points before it snows.Cool
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Re: [ClifHuckstable] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
As a previous unofficial record holder for most jumps in a day (24 on 4th July 1999 off 57m span - this was for the hell of it and for Ed Trick's B'day) and a person who has given a lot of time for charities, I hope that Miles breaks the record and that he raises as much money as possible for his chosen charity. It is good to see the performance bar raised in this sport. The fact that Guinness are going to recognise the record gives more validity to the sport in the eyes of the public (not that the sport needs it as we jumpers know it is very valid and WILL NOT go away).

Hence, all the very best of luck Miles. Hope you break it, and I hope that someone else challenges you soon after. If people don't like Miles, just send some money directly to his chosen charity anyway.

I would also like to make a comment about charities and the psychology of giving in contemporary society.

In decades gone by, most people would give their arm and leg for those less privileged than themselves and they would do that unconditionally. Unfortunately, society has changed somewhat from a place with a social conscience where most people cared for others to a cynical, materialistic, litigious, inattentive, and inwardly focused society. Giving is more about what can I get out of it (tax concessions, publicity, contacts, etc).

Also, greed has meant that some "so called" charities are riddled with corruption or expensive administrations that erode the majority of donations. I think this is reality - but we still have many organisations that do a wonderful service for those that are less priveliged. Many individuals have subsequently taken the stance that since not all of their donation gets to the intended recipients, or that those that organise derive benefits, then they should not give.

Whilst I accept that people are entitled to their own opinions and they have every right to control their finances and time in the way they see fit, not giving anything for the above reasons is a poor & selfish "cop-out". For many people it is a way of overcoming the personal guilt of not contributing by blaming others for their corruption and/or inefficiency in controlling charitable giving.

My personal opinion is that if 10% of the money I give goes to the intended recipient, then I have done the right thing. Yes, I will have the proverbial shits, but at least something has been achieved. If someone goes through the effort of organising a charitable event and money is raised and directed to the intended recipients, then they deserve the publicity / pat on the back. A lot of hard work goes into event organisation.

I also think the persons who sit lowest on the tree of morals when it comes to charity, are the ones that openly criticise others and then do NOTHING themselves. They should perhaps consider directing their energies to something a little more productive. The people that sit highest are the ones that give unconditionally - no tax concession, no publicity, no pats on the back, no expectations that their God will put them in front of the queue at the pearly gates of heaven. They are even higher if they have nothing to give in the first place.

r.e. Miles Daisher - as I said, GOOD LUCK TO HIM. I hope he does well. He could have done this record attempt without involving a charity in the first place. So I think it was good of him to derive some benefit for both himself AND handicapped children. You also have to remember that the more successful a person is (i.e. Miles), the greater his/her ability to contribute to those less in need. I hope he becomes a millionaire and that he gives 10% to charity, rather than being a nobody who donates nothing. Why do you think Billy Gates and the like become philanphropists? Because it is a symbiotic relationship that derives mutual benefit.

Why do people object to or dislike Miles? There is something you need to understand about human psychology. To use a cliche - "statistical norm" - on average, people are average!!!! How is that for over stating the obvious!!!!! Those people that exist outside the norm attract attention from the masses. This attention will either have a positive, neutral, or negative slant. The individual who exists outside the statistical norm has the greatest influence on how the public (the members of society that make up the statistical norms)perceives them. I know very little about Miles. But what I do know is that he has challenged the social and political structure of some segments of the BASE community. Hence the response.

Do you remember John McEnroe - former great USA tennis player? People either loved or hated him. He was loud, obnoxious, but talented and entertaining.

Miles seems loud, and extroverted too. He seems very much "in your face", he also does things in an inconventional manner. Most people feel threatened by change or challenges to the status quo. When you couple that with the fact that publicity is one of Miles' objectives in a sport where most people are opposed to media attention (where most publicity is derived), you should expect not much other than annoyed people. When you throw in the charity factor and some of the points that I mentioned above, then in my mind there is no surprise that people are offended or object to Miles' record attempt project. I am not saying this is right or wrong, it is in my mind just that way it is. As I said, I hope he does well.

If it had of been Nick D, or Anne H, or Marta, or Martin T etc, I am sure that the response would have been different purely because of the perception that BASE society has on those individuals. Miles needs to appreciate that perceptions are rightly or wrongly created because of the actions of the individual in question.

The perception of you or I has been initiated by your/my thoughts and actions and then how they interact with the social rules and culture of the society in which we live in. We are each resonsible to some extent on how people perceive us. Think about why politicians and movie stars have publicists helping them in this field.

Remember, giving to others in need is the greatest gift of all.

p.s. It seems there are a number of BASEr's supporting this event anyway. Good on you all.

p.s. my experience in volunteering and charities includes - youth groups, emergency services, Amnesty, Safety Officer of BASE organisation, coaching in various sports, religious groups, etc. I have directly dealt with handicapped people, financially crippled people, cancer patients (close friends and relatives), etc. I am also fully committed to charity in other parts of the world.
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Re: [Treejumps] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
"CRY ME A FUCKIN RIVER!
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Re: [Treejumps] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
Why are you so bitter, Tree?

I was contacted some time ago about his efforts and to make a pledge. But he never called up and asked, please come watch me and be a good little cheerleader.

Miles is doing something positive with his overabundance of enegy. What are you putting him down?
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Re: [TVPB] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
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As a previous unofficial record holder for most jumps in a day (24 on 4th July 1999 off 57m span - this was for the hell of it and for Ed Trick's B'day) and a person who has given a lot of time for charities, I hope that Miles breaks the record and that he raises as much money as possible for his chosen charity. It is good to see the performance bar raised in this sport. The fact that Guinness are going to recognise the record gives more validity to the sport in the eyes of the public (not that the sport needs it as we jumpers know it is very valid and WILL NOT go away).

Hence, all the very best of luck Miles. Hope you break it, and I hope that someone else challenges you soon after. If people don't like Miles, just send some money directly to his chosen charity anyway.

I would also like to make a comment about charities and the psychology of giving in contemporary society.

In decades gone by, most people would give their arm and leg for those less privileged than themselves and they would do that unconditionally. Unfortunately, society has changed somewhat from a place with a social conscience where most people cared for others to a cynical, materialistic, litigious, inattentive, and inwardly focused society. Giving is more about what can I get out of it (tax concessions, publicity, contacts, etc).

Also, greed has meant that some "so called" charities are riddled with corruption or expensive administrations that erode the majority of donations. I think this is reality - but we still have many organisations that do a wonderful service for those that are less priveliged. Many individuals have subsequently taken the stance that since not all of their donation gets to the intended recipients, or that those that organise derive benefits, then they should not give.

Whilst I accept that people are entitled to their own opinions and they have every right to control their finances and time in the way they see fit, not giving anything for the above reasons is a poor & selfish "cop-out". For many people it is a way of overcoming the personal guilt of not contributing by blaming others for their corruption and/or inefficiency in controlling charitable giving.

My personal opinion is that if 10% of the money I give goes to the intended recipient, then I have done the right thing. Yes, I will have the proverbial shits, but at least something has been achieved. If someone goes through the effort of organising a charitable event and money is raised and directed to the intended recipients, then they deserve the publicity / pat on the back. A lot of hard work goes into event organisation.

I also think the persons who sit lowest on the tree of morals when it comes to charity, are the ones that openly criticise others and then do NOTHING themselves. They should perhaps consider directing their energies to something a little more productive. The people that sit highest are the ones that give unconditionally - no tax concession, no publicity, no pats on the back, no expectations that their God will put them in front of the queue at the pearly gates of heaven. They are even higher if they have nothing to give in the first place.

r.e. Miles Daisher - as I said, GOOD LUCK TO HIM. I hope he does well. He could have done this record attempt without involving a charity in the first place. So I think it was good of him to derive some benefit for both himself AND handicapped children. You also have to remember that the more successful a person is (i.e. Miles), the greater his/her ability to contribute to those less in need. I hope he becomes a millionaire and that he gives 10% to charity, rather than being a nobody who donates nothing. Why do you think Billy Gates and the like become philanphropists? Because it is a symbiotic relationship that derives mutual benefit.

Why do people object to or dislike Miles? There is something you need to understand about human psychology. To use a cliche - "statistical norm" - on average, people are average!!!! How is that for over stating the obvious!!!!! Those people that exist outside the norm attract attention from the masses. This attention will either have a positive, neutral, or negative slant. The individual who exists outside the statistical norm has the greatest influence on how the public (the members of society that make up the statistical norms)perceives them. I know very little about Miles. But what I do know is that he has challenged the social and political structure of some segments of the BASE community. Hence the response.

Do you remember John McEnroe - former great USA tennis player? People either loved or hated him. He was loud, obnoxious, but talented and entertaining.

Miles seems loud, and extroverted too. He seems very much "in your face", he also does things in an inconventional manner. Most people feel threatened by change or challenges to the status quo. When you couple that with the fact that publicity is one of Miles' objectives in a sport where most people are opposed to media attention (where most publicity is derived), you should expect not much other than annoyed people. When you throw in the charity factor and some of the points that I mentioned above, then in my mind there is no surprise that people are offended or object to Miles' record attempt project. I am not saying this is right or wrong, it is in my mind just that way it is. As I said, I hope he does well.

If it had of been Nick D, or Anne H, or Marta, or Martin T etc, I am sure that the response would have been different purely because of the perception that BASE society has on those individuals. Miles needs to appreciate that perceptions are rightly or wrongly created because of the actions of the individual in question.

The perception of you or I has been initiated by your/my thoughts and actions and then how they interact with the social rules and culture of the society in which we live in. We are each resonsible to some extent on how people perceive us. Think about why politicians and movie stars have publicists helping them in this field.

Remember, giving to others in need is the greatest gift of all.

p.s. It seems there are a number of BASEr's supporting this event anyway. Good on you all.

p.s. my experience in volunteering and charities includes - youth groups, emergency services, Amnesty, Safety Officer of BASE organisation, coaching in various sports, religious groups, etc. I have directly dealt with handicapped people, financially crippled people, cancer patients (close friends and relatives), etc. I am also fully committed to charity in other parts of the world.

OK, I tried I got threw the first paragraph,
can anyone who read the whole thing sum it up for me in 2 or 3 sentences, please?
~JTongue
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Re: [FIREFLYR] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
OK - Sorry.

Love him or hate him, good on Miles for doing his thing. I support his efforts and I think he deserves something for his efforts too.

People should support the underprivilieged in some way and not make excuses not to.

Miles should understand why some people have the shits with him. He's out there, average people for some reason get offended by "out there" people.

Smile, and be happy.

How was that?

Wink
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Re: [TVPB] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
Dont aid Jamie in his laziness!!Tongue
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Re: [nicrussell] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
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Dont aid Jamie in his laziness!! Tongue
I would spend the time to give this a thoughtful rep..........
Ooh! something shiny!Tongue
~J
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Re: [FIREFLYR] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
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Dont aid Jamie in his laziness!! Tongue
I would spend the time to give this a thoughtful rep..........
Ooh! something shiny! Tongue
~J

Is shiny YOUR favorite color too!?
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Re: [ClifHuckstable] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
Miles told me to look up this thread so I could donate the the children's benefit......I didn't expect to find Miles getting bashed for this. Pretty sad.

Shane
Thanks for posting the numbers to donate. I called and left messages.

TVPB
Great analogy and expression of your opinion, I appreciate the time you spent to put your perspective out there.

Average Tree
Thanks for nothing! You don't seem to ever have anything positive to say about others...especially Miles. I wonder did you tell him to his face what you thought of him when you met him in TF?
Just curious.
Hate Red Bull? Dont buy it! Hate Miles? Don't talk to him! Its pretty simple.
I'm sorry you feel so much hate in your heart.......I don't think Miles does????

Miles
Great Job and I wish you safe jumps and hope you succeed in your attempt. I feel you already have as you have already bettered the life of these children by showing that you care.
I support you 100%.

Alan Christoffersen
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Re: [Treejumps] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
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I am embarassed to be associated with his childish behavior

You know Mr. Treejumps, if you're so embarrassed to be associated with Miles' childish behavior, why don't you end the association...but what would you have to do to achieve that goal? Quit BASE? Quit posting in this forum?

Seems you have some difficult decisions to make.
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Re: [littlestranger] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
Amen to that!

oh and TREE,
I'm embarrased for wife and kid but you don't hear me being a negitive nancy toward them.
Has anyone ever told you that you talk to much?

pull the stick out of your ass, go warm up the milk, sit back and enjoy!
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Re: [ClifHuckstable] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
I think it's a great idea what Miles is doing. Just one suggestion. A website explaining the event and the charity, and listing some of the major (and maybe minor) donors might do something to aid in its credibility for unbelievers.

I guess today's the day. Hope it goes well.

Skypuppy BASE 92
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Re: [Treejumps] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
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As I said before, I tried to look as this as as a positive, I really did. But the core of it is not a charity event, it is a publicity stunt. I've seen lots of charity events with some sort of golf, tennis, or running event used to gather pledges.

I know a guy who hosts his own "charity" golf event. like most such, it appears to be mostly as an excuse to get friends together. it happens all the time.

if it offends you that bad, do the civilized thing and OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE!

as I've never actually run a fundraiser, I'll cheer for Miles to do a great job. hopefully it reflects well on the rest of us.

oh, and do you think your divisive comments reflect well on the sport?
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Re: [ClifHuckstable] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
Go Miles! Go Miles! You're a rock star! Kick some ass now!

Rah. Rah. Shish. Boom. Ba!
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Re: [ClifHuckstable] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
Shane,

Do you know if Miles is going to keep that foundation up and running after this?

I need a local charity to make my students give money to, and if this is ongoing, it looks ideal for that kind of thing.
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Re: [TomAiello] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
Not sure but I think so. You should ask him. Also, I believe Miles and Nikki want to make this an annual event. Not necessarily a world record attempt but some sort of "Parachutes For Kids" fund raiser. Maybe some sort of competition next year. BTW, I think Miles' wife Nikki was responsible for most of the organization of this event which got the living shit organized out of it. We should be congradulating her too.
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Re: [Treejumps] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
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Next year, go for maximum number of jumps total in 24 hours by as many jumpers as possible. Like a 24 hour Bridge Day. Can the jump community do 1000 jumps off the Perrine in 24 hours?

Just a thought...

Instead of an El Cap protest jump, how about an El Cap charity jump?

rl
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Re: [RhondaLea] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
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Next year, go for maximum number of jumps total in 24 hours by as many jumpers as possible. Like a 24 hour Bridge Day. Can the jump community do 1000 jumps off the Perrine in 24 hours?

Just a thought...

Instead of an El Cap protest jump, how about an El Cap charity jump?

rl
That,i like![:)
as long as the NPS doesn't pledge $2k for each person that makes a successful jumpPirate.
F'k 'em I like it anyway.
~J
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Re: [ClifHuckstable] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
I'll ask when I get home. I've been travelling for the last 10 days or so.
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Re: [ClifHuckstable] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
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Miles' record thingy is raising money for disabled children.

-Where's the money going specifically?

'for disabled children' is very broad.
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Re: [ACMESkydiver] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
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'for disabled children' is very broad.

It's a local charity founded by Miles wife. All the money is administered through the Magic Valley Regional Medical Center foundation. The other co-founder (along with Nikki Daisher) is a local pediatrician. My wife is also a doctor who sees a lot of disabled patients (including children) in Twin Falls, and I can say with certainty that the charity is totally legitimate.

I personally think this is a great way to give to charity here because;

(a) It's targeted very efficiently,
(b) The money stays local,
(c) The charity gives notice by it's name that this is a way that BASE jumpers (mostly Miles, but maybe in future that can be expanded) are giving back to the local community. That's great PR for BASE in Twin Falls.
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Miles never expected any support from this place anyway because of people like you who tear him down all the time.

Don't confuse one or two persons with an entire group.

I've met Miles on a few occasions now and like him a lot. He's a genuinely upbeat, funny likable guy who I can tell has a good heart. That's the most important thing to me.

Any "negativity" from me toward anyone has always been in relation to actions... not the person... with one or two very notable exceptions. If someone does something that I think is harmful to others or the sport, I'm going to speak up about it. But I don't really hold that against the person unless it's a consistent pattern of selfish, disrespectful behavior.

I don't see that in Miles. I do in others.
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Re: [TomAiello] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
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'for disabled children' is very broad.

It's a local charity founded by Miles wife. All the money is administered through the Magic Valley Regional Medical Center foundation. The other co-founder (along with Nikki Daisher) is a local pediatrician. My wife is also a doctor who sees a lot of disabled patients (including children) in Twin Falls, and I can say with certainty that the charity is totally legitimate.

I personally think this is a great way to give to charity here because;

(a) It's targeted very efficiently,
(b) The money stays local,
(c) The charity gives notice by it's name that this is a way that BASE jumpers (mostly Miles, but maybe in future that can be expanded) are giving back to the local community. That's great PR for BASE in Twin Falls.

That's cool. I was curious 'which' disabled kids were going to benefit...national organization, a local birth-to-three center, local hospital, that kind of stuff. Wink

I'd love to put something together for local kiddos over here, but I don't have any real fund-raising methods other than my business...and most people are looking to donate to Katrina victims right now.

I think after the Katrina business settles down a bit, I might link my own website with a special passcode, so profit from all purchases bought with that code will go to a local birth-to-three center, or Cure Autism Now, or Univ. of Wa research. Something like that.

Nice to see that people can use their personal strengths to better others with special needs.
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Re: [TomAiello] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
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In reply to:
'for disabled children' is very broad.

It's a local charity founded by Miles wife. All the money is administered through the Magic Valley Regional Medical Center foundation. The other co-founder (along with Nikki Daisher) is a local pediatrician. My wife is also a doctor who sees a lot of disabled patients (including children) in Twin Falls, and I can say with certainty that the charity is totally legitimate.

I personally think this is a great way to give to charity here because;

(a) It's targeted very efficiently,
(b) The money stays local,
(c) The charity gives notice by it's name that this is a way that BASE jumpers (mostly Miles, but maybe in future that can be expanded) are giving back to the local community. That's great PR for BASE in Twin Falls.

I know you asked the question already but...is this specific "disabled children" program going to be ongoing, like open for donations in December/ January?

I searched the Magic Valley Regional Medical Center Foundation but couldnt find anything specifically about disabled children, only at-risk kids and Im interested to hear more about the charity and what exactly it entails.

Of course I could call the number which Ill probably do but I just want to know if its a sustainable charity.

Thanks ahead of time for any replies
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Re: [Greaseball] Jumping for disabled children - how to help
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I know you asked the question already but...is this specific "disabled children" program going to be ongoing, like open for donations in December/ January?

I hope so. But I don't have specific information on that right now. I'll try to check ASAP and post back whatever I find out.